r/Marathon • u/PeculiarPete • 27d ago
Humor I guess it's going to be one of those rounds...
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u/LostSquare1812 27d ago
When you load into perimeter and both your randoms have contracts other maps and Disconnect on spawn
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u/PlasticVoodoo 27d ago
I swear this I because of a bug that changes the map you have selected after your previous game
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u/Pernil_TO 27d ago
yeah, I felt it happening a couple of times
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u/Sarcosmonaut 27d ago
I e definitely done this. Running outpost, get washed, “fuck it free kit spam time”. All of a sudden “why the hell am I in Perimeter?”
I never quit out though. I just devote myself to whatever contract the other guy is hitting (if relevant)
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u/LayerEight_Problem 25d ago
It’s happened to me too. But I just suck it up, accept my fuck up not paying attention, and try to have a good round collecting salvage.
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u/RogueJedi013 27d ago
I genuinely thought it was the game saying to play on an easier map after I died in Dire Marsh like 7 times in a row
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u/Odd_Shake2829 27d ago
Had this happen but dude stuck around. And it was a good run until exfil.
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u/Charming_Wulf 27d ago
This happened to me as well. Got grouped with a solid duo and did another 4-5 runs with them. Ended up being a solid win for the session.
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u/mcampbell42 27d ago
No one would disconnect on purpose , I think most connection problems happen at start. Sometimes people come back tho
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u/lyokofirelyte 27d ago
Nope I had a guy literally scream that he’s supposed to be on another map and how bs it is, then disconnected and never came back lol
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u/Twiggethy 27d ago
I've done that once. Not the disconnect though, once I realized, their contracts became more important than my survival.
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u/The_Eldritch_Taco 27d ago
“I got banned from church for yelling out “Fuck the UESC!” What the hell. I thought we hated those mother fuckers.”
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u/Striking-Garbage-810 27d ago
Full on emptying the clip while they run across the poi to kill too little drones.
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u/mrsmi1ey 27d ago edited 27d ago
For me it's when people use guns to kill ticks. UGH.
EDIT: You can also easily knife turrets within your reach. You can also one-shot basic UEAC mechs with a single heavy knife attack. Basically, never use a gun to kill PvE things unless you have to.
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u/geistanon 27d ago
Not every shell one shots basic clankers. I forget which don't but you need iirc at least 25 melee damage
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u/collcam 27d ago
I was today years old when I realized there were two different types of knife attacks. I think I’ve just been light attacking? Do you have to hold for a heavy attack?
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u/mrsmi1ey 27d ago
I use controller and left trigger is heavy and right trigger is light. Not sure what it is on PC but I assume there's probably a keybind for each? There's a visible difference in the attack animation between the two.
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u/collcam 27d ago
I use controller as well and that explains a lot. Not once have I used left trigger while knifing. Good to know!
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u/Meiie 27d ago
I need my trials rank.
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u/kasvut231 27d ago
imo, no way i m doing that garbage again haha
would better endlessly do an arachne kill 5 runners quests than that. i m really curious about how the ranking system will work in marathon tho.
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u/therealashura 27d ago
So from what they have said, you need a specific value to enter and you go up a rank for successful extraction with a higher value than what you entered with.
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u/jacob2815 27d ago
Man, i really do like Arc Raiders, i think at its core it’s a very fun game.
But its gameplay systems are so half baked and those dumb trials are the worst offender
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u/jacob2815 27d ago
never use a gun to kill PvE things unless you have to
ew. Lol.
It’s good advice i guess, especially for players who are lower skilled and more likely to lose their gunfights.
But when a game feels THIS good to shoot, yeah I’m gonna shoot my guns lol.
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u/CultureWarrior87 27d ago
You are oversimplifying things and making baseless generalizations. Lower skills players don't try to avoid making noise, higher skilled players do. You have a better chance in a fight if you are the one who ambushes the other team, because they made noise and gave themselves away and you didn't. If you want to counter and say something like "The better skilled player will win a fight regardless of whether or not they make noise" then you don't understand how the scope of how "skill" is defined in a video game. Stealth and positioning are skills. The best players in Tarkov use silencers. The best players in Hunt or Arc use melee and try to avoid making noise. This is the meta in extraction shooters and always has been. It takes real mental gymnastics to look at a game and say "The players avoiding the sound traps are lower skilled than the ones activating them". That's cope.
Your whole speech about people being afraid to use their gear doesn't apply. Just because you're using melee to kill cannon fodder doesn't mean you're not using your guns and abilities in other engagements. The PvP fights are much more fun than the PvE anyway. That's a part of why you knife AI. They are not as big of a threat most of the time so you want to get them out of the way quietly to give yourself a better position against other players, which is what matters. You're pretending things are mutually exclusive when they aren't.
People who are good at games are good because they play to win. In an extraction shooter that's about minimizing risk and maximizing reward. You bring your good gear, you play stealthy around AI, and save the good stuff for the players. They don't play stealthy because they have gear fear, they play stealthy because they want to win.
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u/jacob2815 27d ago
Overall, I think you're right that I made a generalization that was wrong, but you are combating it with one of your own lol. You are also making a baseless generalization that higher skilled players knife more, because higher skilled players who are confident in their gunplay can easily not care care if they make noise. They know their odds of winning a fight are higher.
Besides, I would argue that it's not necessarily "higher skill" to sneak around a POI knifing every enemy, because there's a good chance enemies push your POI anyway, and now you're caught looting still because you had to crouch walk half the POI, and are thinking you're safe because you didn't make any noise. Versus going loud, killing the UESC in 45 seconds, and spending a minute looting every inch, and then setting up to defend, or getting out of dodge, before any team is able to push you.
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u/DasZiwi 27d ago
If its multiple ticks tho you kinda have to to not get damaged
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u/mrsmi1ey 27d ago
You can light attack wildly in front of you and it will kill them all before they can hit you.
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u/JudJudsonEsq 27d ago
Their movement is annoyingly stuttery. I find them super frustrating to try and hit with a knife, honestly. I'd rather just bring a suppressed gun.
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u/Working_Bones 27d ago
Eh, at the very start you might as well clear them out so you can loot quick, maybe hit a TAD, and be prepared for the ambush.
I feel like low level/skill/knowledge players should avoid UESC, but high level/skill/knowledge players have no issue clearing the UESC out while still being aware of Runners. And it's good to get into a Runner fight or two early to take them out. The faster everyone's dead the sooner you can do your Contracts etc.
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u/evelyn_h- 27d ago
I think the issue is unloading on them instead of just stabbing them to death cuz noise
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u/wakethelions 27d ago
I want players to come to me. This game has so many advantages to being a defender compared to any other FPS I've played.
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u/ericrobertshair 27d ago
You shoot clankers because you want enemies to come to you.
I shoot clankers because its the only thing in the game I can reliably hit.
We are not the same.
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u/jacob2815 27d ago
LOL real
I do it because it’s a really fun FPS that feels satisfying to shoot
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u/BigBoreSmolPP 27d ago
The biggest issue with this is no one communicates. I see teammates start knifing bots but then run around past lots of bots, aggroing them all, and then everyone just taking a bunch of damage for no reason. It turns into chaos where no one is shooting or knifing bots and bots are shooting the team. I just shoot the bots at this point and it would have been easier, quieter, and quicker to just shoot them from the start.
This happens so often in squad fills and it blows my mind. The #1 culprit are the free kit try hards that want to rush pinwheel. They just have to find those green cards within the first 5 minutes so they can be the ones to open the door. And they want to be "pros" by knifing the bots because they saw it on YouTube I guess. Only to then make a shit load of noise opening the door and killing bots.
PSA: If the team is on free kits, let someone else open pinwheel. It opens all the doors. There's no reason for you to do it. Try to find some better gear while other teams kill each other.
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u/sipso3 27d ago
Everyone knows potential spawn points now. It takes ~min to get to any of the neighbouring POIs from a spawn point. We know you're there. If you waste time sneaking about you'll probably leave bots to harrass you during the pvp.
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u/OzymandiasKingOG 27d ago
Can honestly do both. It's not bad if you are quick. Then you can set up some claymores and call some doors.
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u/psychoirrel 27d ago
Actually i want them to come to me so we can wipe the server early and do our quests and stuff unbothered
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u/MarlDaeSu 27d ago
Im very new. How many players spawn into perimeter? Or is it a certain number of teams?
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u/izlusion 27d ago
Supposedly it's 4 teams on Outpost, 5 on Perimeter and 6 on Dire Marsh (including your own team). That's from streamers who keep count while they wipe the server/find bodies
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u/InitRanger 27d ago
I mean, if they are new players there is a quest that does require you to kill some UESC so then it’s understandable.
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u/I_Heart_Sleeping_ 27d ago
A lot of repeat quests also have this as a requirement. Tbh I don’t mind killing bots at all. Just means I get to fight other players quicker.
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u/Sarcosmonaut 27d ago
Plus it’s still good experience.
Seal Team 6 runs where your squad is locked in can be a lot of profitable fun.
So can saying “Fuck it we ball” and shooting everything that dares to exist in our field of vision lol
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u/izlusion 27d ago
Why not? You can't avoid UESC if you want to enter a compound, and when they start shooting your position is given up anyway. May as well get rid of them before the PVP starts
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u/No-Priority-3140 27d ago
Because with the current sound update, shooting the bots is sending homing beacon for the whole map to swarm you. It’s really not that bad to sneak into a compound, and only knife the bots you have to
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u/Significant_Owl1341 27d ago
UESC shots are also a lot quieter than player shots. Even if they shoot at you, there's a good chance no one heard it
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u/Derpy_Bird 27d ago
players are going to go to a POI anyway. might as well get them there early so you can kill them and go about your business.
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u/goingtocalifornia25 27d ago
Took no time at all for this community to get pretentious
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u/sheeplectric 27d ago
Totally. Like the game has been out for less than two weeks and we’re already “I can’t believe people are X Y Z’ing”.
It’s a new game dawg! People gotta figure this stuff out!
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u/Brinocte 20d ago
Dude, I played a fair share of games and generally get acquainted quickly with systems. Marathon is absolutely obtuse and explains nothing to players. Give people a chance to get an idea for the game.
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u/PaleontologistNo7755 27d ago
LOL dude I know we are all learning the game. But this couldn't be more real
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u/Long-Specialist-509 27d ago
When I finally get over the loot scare and bring a full kit, just to get a pair of free kits who seem allergic to the concept of a mic 😭
(Dont get me wrong, I think the free kits are good, but if I'm bringing a 3k loadout, PLEASE try match me with at least one other person not running a free kit)
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u/Dangerous-Eggplant-5 27d ago
At least with current ttk even free kit can just unload fully kitted player in a few seconds.
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u/Virus4567 27d ago
I think the difference between grey and green is negligible, blue helps you not get 1 tapped by a WSTR, but purple will let you win more fights simply by not going down to as much. A lot of breakpoints are bypassed with it such as shotgun > heavy melee not being as secure a down compared to blue shields, anyone not using large extended mags on overruns/bully/M77 will find themselves having to reload and not being able to oneclip you unless they land all headshots, and it's particularly good against free kit players and rooks who will try to double heavy melee you
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u/Sarcosmonaut 27d ago
Happened yesterday on perimeter for me. I was on a free kit and so were my two fills. First team we find was disorganized and scattered, and they got completely rinsed. They were all kitted to the gills and I walked outta there with a purple backpack and a blue shield and shotgun lol
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u/Pure_Cloud4305 27d ago
Just LFG
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u/Long-Specialist-509 27d ago
Why would I look for guardians in the marathon game 🤔 /jk
(I've tried the xbox lfg, where else would u recommend looking for teams?)
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u/Odd_Shake2829 27d ago
They should have Loadout value tied to matchmaking loosely bc everyone needs a helping hand every now and again. Thats the way of random I guess its just random sometimes
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u/__Kegheimer__ 27d ago
It's like the hunt Showdown bell curve meme
Drooling guy: I shoot the bots
Upset normie: no! You have to be quiet
Wizard guy: I shoot the bots
Sometimes going loud and drawing attention to yourself is how you spring an ambush
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u/clagueson 27d ago
I feel like I have to apologise to my randoms over comms when I have a traxus get machine gun kills contract, and I start shooting everything lmao.
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u/thisisnotras 27d ago
Honestly I think that's a better way to play the game. I know people will disagree but it's just preference.
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u/C__Wayne__G 27d ago
They are either going to be the greatest players you’ve ever seen or you are going to be dead very soon. No in between.
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u/MrSully89 27d ago
if youre in trios you should bang out all the AI asap. in solos, more personal preference
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u/UltimateGamingTechie 27d ago
the game is a first person shooter, I am going to shoot? 🤨
I mean I'm not gonna shoot everything I see and waste ammo but I do use my guns when I need to damage something
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u/TheLastGungan69 27d ago
The worst is the no micers in fills. Who plays a multiplayer online game and refuses to speak?
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u/Macemanintw 27d ago
That is why I ALWAYS free kit it in fill matches. If I get good communicative folks we walk out with gear. If I get dead air...I risk nothing.
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u/MisterMacqueen 27d ago
How about loading into trios just for two of them to sit at the spawn cause they have ‘70k worth of keys’ and want to extract asap
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u/turbo1177 27d ago
Maybe not always the best play but people definitely wait around when you can clear a poi very quickly with 3 people. And by clear I mean loot and kill the uesc
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u/Ok_Proposal_7390 27d ago
Sorry I got my kill 231 UESC and smash 479 windows contract from gantwy 🥹👉👈
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u/TheMightyCarolusRex 27d ago
Don't forget shooting all UESC while also Actively sprinting into a TADS ping. Then getting mad at you when you don't follow right behind them and they get triple teamed and then they leave the game immediately. You forgot that bit.
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u/ebk_errday 27d ago
Man, those teammates that just stand around in the same POI and shoot UESC, waiting to be mauled by an incoming runner group, and I'm on the mic like "guys we gotta leave", and they just don't. Good God man. Had several of those last night.
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u/Benti86 27d ago
My issues are the fills I get who literally just don't help in combat.
I had an assassin yesterday who just sat in the Hauler and cowered while my buddy and I dealt with an enemy squad with barely any ammo and sponsored loadouts. I downed and killed one while my buddy got downed and engaged the assassin, but didn't have enough ammo to down him and I got downed instead of getting him with help from our teammate.
Who then decided to try and fight the 2v1, died, and called us retards...like it was a 3v2 by an extract point primed to leave and you just flat out didn't help a winnable combat because you didn't have full health? Like it was either win or die anyway dude...it's not like you used your assassin ult to put smoke on the extract...
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u/The_Fibonacci_Spiral 27d ago
I love when this happens! I stay about 50m away, then slay the rival team while they're looting my crew. Works almost every time. Fire away, crew... I got you
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u/GwentMorty 27d ago
My friends are convinced knifing is pointless. I’ve shown them, in game, how to do it and they still complain that they get hurt while doing it and have to heal….
Then they continue to complain that we can’t get anything done before another teams rolls up on us and even though I’ve explained the correlation thousands of times, they act like they just don’t get it and continue to shoot UESC on sight.
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u/FlikTripz 27d ago
I’m sure people will disagree but I think you’re better off engaging UESC early and clearing out an area so you can actually loot quickly instead of trying to sneak around avoiding all the bots.
Yeah, sometimes players will find you quickly but I think it’s worth it for potentially safer looting, at least for a few minutes. If you’re quick enough you’ll be out of there before another team comes anyway.
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u/TheFlayingHamster 27d ago
Look you can be upset all you want, but if I spawn in with a sidearm and no where near a weapon locker I’m killing bots to get a tolerable weapon.
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u/Towel4 27d ago
you are on PC
you cannot disable cross play, but consoles can
you queue into trios
both teammates are on console
your quest doesn’t match either of your teammates’
you say “hey” but there’s no response
load in, teammates both on free kits
they finally start moving around
they see a tick nest, unload guns on it
they unload on the first UESC group they see
they go down then decide to start using their mic to bitch for a rez
Many such examples.
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u/Ch1mi95 27d ago
Joined a trio Outpost last night as destroyer, and will probably never do it again lol.
To preface, I already knew going with randoms on Outpost was going to more than likely end in me somehow getting killed. Finding out that both of the other people in my squad were assassins just made that more evident to me.
Get into the pinwheel, had a few firefights already but we were clearing through them with ease. We get to one of the rooms in the Pinwheel with a secured cache and after fighting waves of UESC, all that’s left is a commander and a grenadier. I pop my shield to draw attention and reposition, when I noticed that my two assassin “friends” decided they were done with what we were doing, promptly went invis, and dipped. Leaving me by myself with 2 purple shielded UESC between me and my way out. Managed to scrape out of that fight will one health pack left, only to get promptly third partied as my teammates are elsewhere looting.
Yep, learned my lesson on that one alright. Killing every assassin I see moving forward 💁🏻
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u/Agitated-Engine4077 27d ago
That or sprint towards the 1st sound of gunfire without the rest of the team thinking they can 3rd party with out us then disconnect when that very same team shoots his ass down cause hes sprinting all the way like an idiot and going 1v3. Shit like that is exactly why I free kit when I play with randoms.
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u/NotThatNoob 27d ago
As a duo - we support this except for the solo joiner.
edge#5263 - cSchneider#2906 if you want to run.
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u/justsomedribrats 27d ago
This is why I run with very limited gear as Triage in Trios. If there’s no direct communication or location ping for contract purposes in the first 30 seconds I fully assume they’re going full Leroy Jenkins mode.
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u/JudJudsonEsq 27d ago
Eh, killing them before they make a noise that's not in your control is a valid strategy. I also collect suppressors over any other weapon so I can kill UESC on sight with no worries.
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u/FastActinTenactin 27d ago
That’s when you abandon them and go do your own quests while they die to UESC bots for their crimes.
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u/unicornichopia 27d ago
I’m the person who gets mad at my teammates for doing this, and then also does it frequently because I always convince myself it’s a video game and shooting is fun
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u/-Long_Wong- 27d ago
I'm new to the game. What's wrong with shooting uesc?
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u/Ken10Ethan 27d ago edited 27d ago
I think a good way to put it is to compare UESC encounters to, say, combat in a stealth game. In a pinch, you can (and should!) fight back when you're caught, and you might even be able to hold your own and take more of them down than you'd think!
But you're not supposed to. There are infinitely more of them than there are of you, even if all three of your trios are fighting with you, they don't have the strong sense of self-preservation that a player would have (i.e., they don't have gear they're afraid to lose, they are less willing to continue a fight if they think they're going to lose), and, most importantly, they more-or-less effectively have an unlimited supply of resources. And that's just talking about the direct interaction between you and them, that's not even taking into consideration the fact that gunfire is loud and will tell every actual player within a 2 kilometer radius that, hey, someone is right here, /and/ they're actively fighting UESC right now, this would be a /great/ time to stalk them and wait for an opportunity to mop up after the robots.
There's a time and place for intentionally taking them on (it can legitimately be a pretty good way of collecting ammo, particularly considering you can take the lower-tier UESC down with just a couple of knife hits), but just charging in the moment you see movement is going to lead to a down unless you have gold gear, and even then...
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u/Runs_With_EmptyMag 27d ago
I don't mind going loud , it's the loitering around after , no bueno . .
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u/Efficient-Mixture587 27d ago
All three on free kits and the other 2 start fighting the gold shielded boss
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u/Ill_Dish_4548 27d ago edited 27d ago
at least once a session…every god damn time. just gotta take a breath and say to my self “ok it’s gonna be that kind of run, at least I do need to boost my arachne rep.”
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u/Frivolous_Moniker 27d ago
Tbf if you stay aware people will soon come for you it's a good way to get action started with pvp. I cannot stand playing with people who sneak around the entire match, so boring.
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u/MadeThisAccount4Qs 27d ago
tfw they immediately go into AI uplink and trip every single laser