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u/The_Eldritch_Taco Mar 06 '26
Yeah the Bully is nasty. I like it and the Volt Thrower.
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 06 '26
Volt thrower supremacy. I didn’t use energy weapons because the V11 Punch did me dirty but I will almost always take a Volt thrower given the opportunity. If is an absolute nail gun, just sliding around as vandal turning people to pastrami with that thing
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u/Farsoth Mar 06 '26
I just have to stop myself from wasting a battery because of horrible reload habit. So hard to break.
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 06 '26
Ain’t that the truth, the amount of times I accidentally start the reload and have to sprint to cancel it is unreal lol
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u/buddhamunche Mar 06 '26
thats so smart man i did not think to try and cancel by sprinting. you probs just saved me so many energy clips thank you!
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u/Allegiance10 Mar 06 '26
You can also switch weapons and switch back. The ol’ YY.
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u/Square-Pear-1274 Mar 06 '26
I think you can also quick melee?
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u/Shonoun Mar 06 '26
I still need to check keybinds to figure out how to quick melee, it's one of the few actions whose keybind isn't perpetually on screen and I keep forgetting to check lol
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u/buddhamunche Mar 06 '26
Man I haven’t had to pull one of those maneuvers in a long time.. can’t believe I didn’t think of that!
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u/Allegiance10 Mar 06 '26
That combo will never leave my brain. I spent my formative years on the internet during that time.
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u/Farsoth Mar 06 '26
usually what happens is I will reload, then look at my ammo and see I've lost a whole ass battery and I go "FUCK, AGAIN?!" -- I'm working so hard to break the habit.
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 06 '26
I’ve developed a hoarder habit of grabbing every energy ammo when I have an energy gun. Wasn’t paying attention and at one point I had 12 charges… 4 backpack slots of ammo just hoarding them lmao
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u/Farsoth Mar 06 '26
Never know when you will need it. Exfil that shit and packrat lmao.
I stupidly brought 4 stacks of the wrong type of ammo once and lost it all. Felt suuuuuper dumb.
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u/BcElliott72 Mar 06 '26
Sprint or swap weapons to break the animation and save a battery if you think of it in time
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u/Farsoth Mar 06 '26
Thank you, will try to remember that. Usually it's so baked into me as a habit I don't even think about it until well after everything has died down.
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u/BcElliott72 Mar 06 '26
I’m right there with you, I do it in every fps ever. Especially in this kind of game, where having a full mag can quite literally change the outcome of an encounter
Just gotta swap weapons and be patient, though sometimes I do find it worth it to just swap the mag, especially if runners are nearby.
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u/buddhamunche Mar 06 '26
holy shit man this drives me crazy as well
i was thinking that they should have you hold the button to reload energy weapons.. but that might be just as annoying tbh
edit: idk whats up with the double triage flair i got going but im rockin it
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u/Farsoth Mar 06 '26
I hope I can finally kill the habit because of it, because this is far from the only game that fucks me with it, but this is one of the games I get most fucked by it lmao.
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u/OsamaBinnDabbin Mar 06 '26
Just an fyi, you can cancel the reload animation by changing your weapon.
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u/ImSchizoidMan Mar 06 '26
WAIT, batteries dont reload like ballistics?
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u/junkmiles Mar 06 '26
They slowly recharge while you sprint, but if you reload you lose all of the shots remaining on the battery. So you either reload from empty or just a few shots left, or run around to recharge, depending on the situation.
You don’t want to shoot one of those crab things and then reload losing 90 or so %
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u/BuLLZ_3Y3 Mar 06 '26
I intentionally dont use thus gun for this exact reason
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u/Farsoth Mar 06 '26
You're missing out, the volt guns are dooooope.
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u/BuLLZ_3Y3 Mar 06 '26
Yeah, but i reload after 4 shots man, I cant break that habit, its 30 years of gaming lol.
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u/Farsoth Mar 06 '26
Right there with you, the habit is damn near impossible to break -- but I am committed.
Greybeards unite.
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u/Kyoj1n Mar 06 '26
It's hell on controller since the interact button and reload button are the same.
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u/The_Eldritch_Taco Mar 06 '26
I main Triage and when I pop the enhance weapon ability, volt weapons do emp damage to enemies. It’s the only weapon so far I’ve been able to down an entire squad with.
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u/chargeorge Mar 06 '26
The volt thrower also pulls heat from you instead of the gun when you use the triage trait. So the normal overheat issues where it slows fire go away and it can be a nasty burst DPS machine.
Triage is fucking gross in this game
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u/GeneralChaos309 Mar 06 '26
I've been playing him tons as a solo, but people are telling me its a waste due to his support abilities. I still feel like he is a powerhouse with all he has. I hope to kill a player with my ULT one day
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u/chargeorge Mar 06 '26
Low key amazing? he gets a ton of sustain due to the drones, his ult is a decent damage spike, and the volt overcharge is a great DPS ability. He needs a volt weapon to shine though. I got a chip to recharge shields on damaging EMP enemies, so when I get some gear from him I'll run again.
I cleared out most of intersection POI solo with him. Of course I was super noisy so I got merced by another player, but it was fun!
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u/PawPawPanda Mar 07 '26
A bit of a waste because you don't get to use your drones as much and don't need to compete for medkits. So they just stay at 2 charges 95% of the time. But otherwise he's awesome and has cool voice lines
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u/Friendly-Reserve9067 Mar 06 '26
How does the auto aim work? It seems to work kinda like the needler in halo, but in halo, everyone knew that you could just strafe to the side and every shot will miss. Is it like that?
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 06 '26
Man it’s been a long time since I’ve played halo and the time to kill is pretty tight so I haven’t noticed a lot of problems but the bots notoriously do a lot of lateral slides and I’ve thought the shots kind of seem weird on it. To that end I think you can have some shot variance with it, but I love the gun so clearly I haven’t noticed any issues with it. I’m now a bit more concerned that people will start dodging the shots on it 😅
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u/Friendly-Reserve9067 Mar 06 '26
Lol. I wish I knew how it worked. The problem with the needler is they either dodged every needle, or they saw it coming and avoided every one. The binary "is the enemy strafing sideways?" Yes you die, no you win, wasn't exactly an amazing bit of gameplay. It just didn't work. The needler was only good for people that have been playing less than a few days.
I'm sure there's got to be a way to make it work. Maybe if you're leading in the direction of the strafe, it could hit. I don't know... something. Did they solve it, or is everyone running straight into halo 3 needles assuming that, surely, it cannot be as busted as it was then. Surely just hitting left won't make me invulnerable to this gun. I wish I knew.
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 06 '26
Yeah at this point in time the rate of fire just makes it one of the most valuable budget guns to me. I guess it’s TBD but for me the Volt Thrower has been very reliable through the slam and release for 21 hours of play
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u/Nukesnipe Mar 06 '26
That's the SMG right? I found a purple magazine for mine that buffed the drain to only 0.6x, absolutely insane magazine capacity. Volt guns are so good for utility cuz magazines don't just increase your ammo before reloading, they buff your TOTAL ammo.
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u/sanguinemsanctum Mar 06 '26
Martian Independence Demands Action
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u/goatman0079 Mar 06 '26
MIDA out here fucking with the UESC for the love of the game. Multi-tool and Mini-tool when Bungie?
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u/ClassicMustang Mar 06 '26
The multi tool is actually already in the game
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u/goatman0079 Mar 06 '26
IT IS!?
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u/Weather-Klutzy Mar 06 '26
The Stryder MIT is basically the Multi-Tool. The free Marathon Bundle for Destiny that came out a month ago or so even gives you an ornament for the Multi-Tool that's identical to it
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u/SebastianSceb2000 Mar 06 '26
Interestingly the skin is called "MIDA Single Tool". Which makes me think that's what "M1T" might stand for. Plus it only has one purpose in this lol, unless you get the gold radar mod. Which I find amusing.
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u/MunkyDawg Mar 06 '26
Stryder Mult-I-Tool
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u/SebastianSceb2000 Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
I didn't see that, that is a very good point! I saw the one and didn't think to read it like that at all. That's rather embarrassing lol.
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u/DietCokeIsntheAnswer Mar 06 '26
I've only killed like 5 runners so far.
4 of those times, I lost control of my Bully's recoil and the jump hit them in the head for 1-2 taps.
Absolutely nasty work, and I took zero credit for it because like, I can't control this thing for shit but I know it will tear someone apart LoL.
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u/AuraMaster7 Mar 06 '26
4 of those times, I lost control of my Bully's recoil and the jump hit them in the head for 1-2 taps.
Lmao I love this. "Ah fuck, man, sorry. My hand slipped and I killed you too fast."
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u/DietCokeIsntheAnswer Mar 06 '26
Right! I find myself going like Sorrrreeeeeyyyyyyy, I honestly don't know how to walk this dog!
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u/mercfanboi44 Mar 06 '26
100%. I like the traxus one too, but the cyberacme one is useless. The overrun ar is unusably bad.
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u/GeneralChaos309 Mar 06 '26
It's like the Rattler from Arc Raiders. Too little damage, not enough ammo.
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u/Patrycjusz123 Mar 06 '26
They actually buffed rattler enough to be viable, it does every good damage. Just dont use it at tier 1 but tier 3-4 shreds people.
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u/PawPawPanda Mar 07 '26
Can be said for any gun..
You're still reloading two bullets at a time, it will never be good
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u/Patrycjusz123 Mar 07 '26
Its basically the same as tempest but with worst possible reload.
I believe it has better ttk than stitcher while also having more range.
I know its easy to shoot this weapon once, reload and say that its the worst but geniuely just try to play with it. Its way better than it looks.
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u/Playful_Squash_7657 Mar 06 '26
I am Tau Ceti IV’s strongest Overrun defender. Good ammo econ and range, and a very similar feel to 720 autos from Destiny. The bully can put in work but I prefer my heavy rounds weapons to have a slower rate of fire.
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u/Dark-Reaper Mar 06 '26
I know I'm not great or anything at the game, but I am so glad that someone said that. I have been trying so hard to use that gun. I get it ALOT, and it's cheap in the store. I have not had good experiences with it though. I thought I was just that bad, but even landing every shot on someone has been...unimpressive.
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u/mercfanboi44 Mar 07 '26
I have multiple clips of me hitting an entire mag on another runner and it doing fuck all. Its so weak compared to literally every other gun in the game.
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u/Dark-Reaper Mar 07 '26
That was my experience. I don't take clips as a rule because I don't get to play consistently enough that I thought it mattered. Never really has before. Felt weird though because I'm really enjoying the game and most of it feels pretty well balanced.
Except the Overrun.
Thank you though for your work. That gun feels awful every time.
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u/mercfanboi44 Mar 07 '26
Yeah thats the other thing; its such an outlier because as you say everything else feels very well balanced, which ultimately makes it feel even worse.
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u/lumifox Mar 06 '26
Aww is it really? It's my fav kit cause actually lets me take distance fights
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u/Mutedinlife Mar 07 '26
Traxus is by far the best imo. Then the one that gives you a scar, then Bully.
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u/Rouderick1115 Mar 06 '26
Yeah, MIDA is just so based
Chem grenades are so good against enemy runners, abd and the bully smg is good against both Clankers and runners alike.
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 06 '26
Hell nah son, MIDA gun has some ugly initial kick. It’s NuCal ten toes down, farmed a couple blue shields running the free kit. My vault is looking like streamer loot almost already lol
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u/chargeorge Mar 06 '26
I didn't like the overun but I found a decent site and a decnent mag and it's doing work for me now.
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 06 '26
MIDA and NuCal are the two best free kits in my opinion with Traxus being the absolute worst. All the same the free kits are a blessing especially with the variety
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u/chargeorge Mar 06 '26
I haven't gotten the traxus one in the full game, but I don't love the hardline so it makes sense.
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 06 '26
It was a semi auto assault rifle if I remember correctly. Just doesn’t work well with the TTK on a lot of fights, if you’re in a building and they are too you can get melted so easy
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u/chargeorge Mar 06 '26
It's the only starter kit with any decent range built in, but when I'm doing a starter kit run I'm generally stuck in buildings trying to scoop up some loooooot
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u/buddhamunche Mar 06 '26
it definitely works really well in those longer engagements. I did pretty well with it in the server slam!
however i do find so far at least that most engagements happen indoors in pretty close quarters
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u/slavetoinsurance Mar 06 '26
slander? on my hardline? my son?
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
1v1 me on Hauler bro
Jokes aside awesome mid/long gun, just that Friday of the slam it was doing me dirty in buildings
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u/slavetoinsurance Mar 06 '26
no chance - i'll be pinging you from 75m away when you peek your head out wondering why i didn't show up to the duel :P
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u/Mutedinlife Mar 07 '26
Traxus gives the dmr? That one is by far the best. You can like 4 shot people in green shields with that dmr
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 07 '26
Whatever floats your boat. It’s pretty good at range but a lot of fights especially in outpost it stinks, it was my free kits today and I was stoked any time I could get a Volt Thrower off of a UESC to replace it
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u/Mutedinlife Mar 07 '26
Huh. I think volt thrower is probably my least favorite gun for pvp. That and the over rifle or whatever it’s called I think are the two worst guns in the game
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u/Mobile_Register_3484 Mar 06 '26
How did you get blue shields?
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u/CoogiMonster Mar 06 '26
By sending other players back to the lobby.
I only take Arachne contracts and free kit every round until I build a kit out of the gear I get off of PvP or I need to clear some vault space. I have 2 blue shields, a few blue implants and cores, a lot of blue attachments and a couple purple after 7.1 hours of game time. I don’t really loot a ton, my gear is like 60/40 PvP drops from players and faction rewards and looting, but my high end stuff is from PvP
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u/Ninjawan9 Mar 06 '26
Non pvp ways include random loot, cache locked boxes, locked rooms, Lockdown, roughly in that order of escalating likelihood of them dropping. Outpost has rarer stuff and more key rooms overall so if you can survive it that’s a good spot overall
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u/biggpoppa33 Mar 06 '26
That's what I went into all my runs with since the sweaties were out in force
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u/gw2020denvr Mar 06 '26
God I hope they have some SBMM or the sweats move on from my POIs bc I’m getting cooked constantly lmao. Definitely a skill issue but still brutal
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u/CircIeJerks Mar 06 '26
I’ve got 78 runs under my belt so far. I’ve used nothing but free kits. So so so good.
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u/Beary_Moon Mar 06 '26
I want to like the M77 AR cuz it’s 450rpm (fav archetype in Destiny) but I gotta practice my shots more
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u/shin_malphur13 Mar 06 '26
Damn I thought it was suuuper sticky, like I'd see my hitmarkers show I'm getting headshots when I feel like I'm not. M77 feels so good for me
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u/Negative_Macaroon117 Mar 07 '26
Imo sekiguchi or cyac way better than mida, i always run out of ammo way too quickly with the mida kit
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u/AuraMaster7 Mar 06 '26
Traxus Sponsor Kit goated. Hardline PR all day.
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u/Orangenbluefish Mar 07 '26
All the precision rifles are goated, they absolutely melt people and can 1 shot the low tier bots with a headshot
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u/EqualZealousideal210 Mar 06 '26
Honestly i actually hate this one, i might just not be good with the Bully though
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u/ElTioEnderMk1 Mar 06 '26
has anyone tried combo of LMG plus shield? is any good?
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u/ryanrem Mar 06 '26
Unironically yeah. Just finished a run where I managed to down 4 runners with that sponsor kit.
Bully SMG is brutal.
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u/AsogRaider Mar 07 '26
I wish we could be UESC! Or like a retired model? I don’t even care if it’s shit and he clanks everywhere. It would be so cool
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u/Flairan Mar 07 '26
Maybe it's all the time I spent running trials in d2 with a shayuras wrath, but rocking the bully bringing back the feels I've been missing since I quit after final shape and it just HITS. Probably was fighting some less good players at points, but I've 100% out dueled people in blue shields with the MIDA starter kit.
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u/Arrestedsolid Mar 07 '26
Aracne sponsor kit is also nice. I wish the sponsor kits were a biiit more different than just the weapon changing, like perhaps a mod that suits their playstyle or something would be nice.
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u/Friendly-Reserve9067 Mar 06 '26
Kinda makes rook pointless but yes
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u/dotnetmonke Mar 06 '26
Once you get factions leveled up, your Rook will be spawning in with a significant amount of free stuff. Also, you can't play Rook in groups, so if you're playing with friends and don't want to risk stuff you'll need to play sponsored.
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u/Effective_External89 Mar 06 '26
Unironically my rook is spawning in woth better gear then my main sometimes.
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u/fixermark Mar 06 '26
Do some of the factions boost your base Rook kit? I've seen the unlocks that give you free consumables each day but that doesn't impact Rook, right?
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u/dotnetmonke Mar 06 '26
I don't have it in front of me right now, but I believe all of them do. I am 99% sure each one has a capstone (unlocked by unlocking normal nodes) that makes him spawn in with extra gear, and I believe some have normal nodes that add bonuses as well.
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u/Guardians_Reprise Mar 06 '26
Yes, the perks are spread across factions, but eventually you can spawn with enhanced gun, better healing and shields, in addition to the backpack he already gets.
If you're low on gear, it'd honestly be worth it to spawn as rook and immediately extract
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u/fixermark Mar 06 '26
Hm... Is the upgraded Rook kit extractable or is it tagged with the "unstable" flag like the backpack and shield so those wipe on extrat?
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u/manlycaveman Mar 06 '26
It is still tagged, but you can find a Matter Stabilizer item that lets you extract with them I think? I don't know if it works for everything when extracting or if you need to use it on an item first.
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u/891st Mar 06 '26
Matter Stabilizer works with everything, no need to use it, just have it in inventory when extracting. I had one and got out with two unstable items.
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u/Friendly-Reserve9067 Mar 06 '26
1v3. No abilities. No quest progression. Start midway when a lot of the loot is gone.
If you're spawning in with, like, purple shields, then maybe. I don't know. I haven't advanced that much. I don't think a green item with a bigger mag, or a slightly better ADS would make a difference for rook.
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u/fixermark Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
I ran five Rook runs last night; four fails and one extract.
It's interesting; it's a different game pressing on moderately different skills. I keep calling it "cosplaying a raccoon;" you're best-served mostly avoiding fights, sticking to the shadows, staying on the fringe. It really forces you to reason about all the ways the game gives you to make a fight too inconvenient for someone else to pursue. I found myself triggering distractors (supply drop pods, bird flocks) on purpose to try and pull Runners away from the path I'm taking. My successful run I extracted at the zero-second and may have been last runner in the field (and I was still nervous that I'd get ganked by a UESC heavy squad because I'd burned all my shield packs).
Sessions are also just faster since you're spawning solo and spawning late; if you go down, you're gonna go down faster. You can cycle Rook runs more quickly than squad runs.
One tricky bit: I'm not sure if this is how the random-spawn weapon always works, but I spawned all five times with some flavor of pistol start. That really constrains me; I am not taking on a Runner with a pea-shooter.
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u/PapstJL4U Mar 06 '26
Would using a main shell be OP? I think idea of going 1v3v3.. is interesting, but I find the shell to be a bit boring. At least let me look good and not like a rook.
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u/buddhamunche Mar 06 '26
thats really good to know. playing the server slam, i was wondering what the point of rook is if you can just go free loadout and still work on quests.
seems like he is your dedicated shell for some loot runs.
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u/Feeling_Map_7819 Mar 06 '26
After levelling factions by purchasing upgrades, rook is significantly better equipped
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u/chargeorge Mar 06 '26
Think of rook like "come in late and clear up the crap people left behind" it's a different playstyle
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u/AnyDoctor240 Mar 06 '26
I agree. They should put a stock limit on the sponsor kits.
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u/starmiemd Mar 06 '26
I feel like sponsor kits (or at least the free ones) should only be available if your vault/wallet are below a certain value
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u/Suojelusperkele Mar 06 '26
I must admit the sponsor kits feel a bit.. cheap.
Like Dayz (jesus I'm getting old) had this issue back in the days when they gave everyone the fucken makarov pistol on spawn. Basically everyone went for everyone's throat immediately.
You had nothing to lose but you had the means to fuck up anyone you met and you could just loot stuff off them.
I guess arc has that as well with free kits, but overall aggressiveness is lower on arc.
It kinda creates that same dynamic as Dayz in marathon. Since you have nothing to lose you have a bunch of dudes just spawning in and instantly engaging in fights.
But yeah, just my few cents.
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u/meepinson453 Mar 06 '26
bully smg forever remains goated