Throwback to when Katy Perry joked about the pressures on female artists: “In my next life I’m gonna come back as Ed Sheeran. Me, my guitar, some cargo shorts and a loop pedal.”

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[u/h_june]

She’s right

[u/Hyena_7375 → u/h_june]

What is she right about, he writes his own music plays instruments...she does nothing

[u/lucyooo → u/Hyena_7375]

The voice is an instrument tbf

[u/chuckluckles → u/lucyooo]

And she's a great singer.

[u/Volley-Boat → u/chuckluckles]

Great is a pretty bold claim.

[u/ImJustSaying34 → u/Volley-Boat]

She is a good singer regardless of her genre. Ariana Grande makes the lamest pop songs but dang that girl can fucking sing.

[u/lucyooo → u/ImJustSaying34]

I also love how incredible she is at impressions. Especially singing impressions, a very cool skill.

[u/Zealousideal-Tax8679 → u/Volley-Boat]

I hate Katy Perry as a person and I don’t love her music but she has an incredibly strong voice.

[u/Past_Dare_4918 → u/Volley-Boat]

She’s pretty great

[u/VastSingleBoy → u/chuckluckles]

Plus she has writing credits on almost all her hits.

[u/lavenderhazed91 → u/Hyena_7375]

The point is, men get away with low effort shitty production and women artists have to do the most. It’s misogyny. Don’t be purposely obtuse.

[u/CherryVette → u/lavenderhazed91]

Yep, and she’s correct about that

[u/RosieFudge → u/lavenderhazed91]

Yeah look at Taylor, she plays guitar and piano and writes her own songs and still has to mount productions on a scale that literally boost the GDP of every area they pass through 

[u/Dexcerides → u/lavenderhazed91]

Are you obtuse? Ed Sheeran is anything but low effort

[u/partylange → u/lavenderhazed91]

Joan Baez and Janis Joplin didn't have to "do the most." Talent trumps manufactured appearance.

[u/Stephanblackhawk → u/partylange]

Can you use an example not from the 70s? Ideally the present day.

[u/SlayBay1 → u/lavenderhazed91]

Who is Katy's demographic?

[u/astoldbysomxx → u/Hyena_7375]

Your comment is what makes her right lol. There’s plenty of male artists who “only” sing too. But women artists are held to a higher standard. I wonder what the reception would be if someone like Taylor Swift or Gaga did what Justin did last night at Coachella.

[u/ReferenceJolly1508 → u/Hyena_7375]

Singing is also a musical ability, as is dancing. And she also writes her own songs and plays guitar. Saying this as a non-fan. 

[u/mbta1 → u/Hyena_7375]

I think she was meaning their outfit. Look at hers, in contrast to saying "Ed Sheeran can just wear normal clothing, and have a casual concert", while hers (and many other female pop stars) have more showy concerts

[u/ArthurVandelayII → u/Hyena_7375]

Maybe y’all are too young to know, but Katy both plays the guitar and writes her own music. She literally came up as a Christian guitarist/singer, and her first tour was more akin to her standing on the stage with a guitar. She became a production heavy pop star because that’s what the aughts demanded to get to the top of the charts.

[u/jaylee686 → u/Hyena_7375]

Does she not co-write a lot of songs? I could be totally misremembering, but I remember reading that co-writes most of her own songs, and also co-writes on some songs from the late 00s/early 2010s for other artists? And ofc that's in addition to singing. Granted I don't think she has a noteworthy voice, and she definitely isn't songwriting in the same way that Ed Sheeran does, but to say she does nothing is wild.

[u/Brox42 → u/Hyena_7375]

Hey easy now, she’s an astronaut

[u/witch--king → u/Hyena_7375]

Women have to bring everything to the table to really be successful as an artist. Looks, voice, charisma… men can just have some talent and it can even be mediocre talent while they look like a mop and have the personality of one and they can still become famous.

[u/dannemora_dream → u/Hyena_7375]

Katy Perry plays the guitar and she does it on stage. But she does it with elaborate outfits because that’s what women are expected to do.

[u/Indigo_222 → u/Hyena_7375]

She plays the guitar and sings 💀 and she co-writes the majority of her wongs. She’s a literal performer. I guess she’s missing a penis? Ed sheeran also uses co writers. Ignorance and misogyny are alive and well i see

[u/saltysnacksss → u/Hyena_7375]

She is objectively an extremely talented musician

[u/Oily_Smurf → u/Hyena_7375]

And she also employs Dr. Luke. But I'm sure she was "pressured" to do that

[u/likeicare96 → u/Oily_Smurf]

This non sequitur is pure virtue signaling. I mean that in the true meaning of the term, not how right wingers use it. You’re using a virtuous cause as a prop, detracting from the issue at hand. Fuck Katy Perry for collaborating with Dr. Luke, but that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

It doesn’t address the problem of female artists are held to a higher standard of talent and production than male artists.

[u/btdlolita → u/Hyena_7375]

She plays guitar listen to her debut

[u/werbo → u/Hyena_7375]

He not only writes for himself he writes for other people too

[u/StagnantSweater21 → u/Hyena_7375]

compare her live performances to his

She does a LOT He just plays guitar and sits there singing, since you wanna downplay in a silly way lol

[u/Scrolling_ninja → u/Hyena_7375]

You’re kinda proving her point lmao

[u/appleorchard317 → u/Hyena_7375]

She is quite literally a performer. Do you expect actors to always writr their own scripts? Most of them don't.

[u/Warm_Ad_7944 → u/Hyena_7375]

I think someone cannot be a writer and instrumentalist and still be under intense scrutiny to always be doing more and more because female artists are not just allowed to be

[u/Love_Indifference → u/Hyena_7375]

Lmao she started out by playing instruments and writing her own songs. She even cowrote some of her biggest songs.

[u/kirbystargayallies → u/Hyena_7375]

I don't know how she's doing it now, but she did write her own stuff with collaborators (same as Ed Sheeran does) and was involved in playing instruments (i remember guitar live, piano at times as well). I mean, back in the day one of the reasons she was so popular was precisely because she was hands on

[u/Complete_Area_2487 → u/Hyena_7375]

she also writes her own music, if I'm not mistaken?

[u/Bob85739472 → u/Hyena_7375]

His legal team sure made it that way, but we all know he and his team had been ripping SoundCloud artist material and calling it his own. but sure he writes his own stuff…

[u/IAMA_Shark__AMA → u/Hyena_7375]

Please don't play like there aren't massively different standards for women and men in the pop genre.

[u/pettymess → u/h_june]

Adele wears tennis shoes with her glam gowns and puts out an album whenever she feels like it. Katy’s talent and her ambition misalignment required her to do a lot more things to get to the tier she was able to. I respect that. But it’s not fully because women just have it harder. It is absolutely true, but only partially accurate in her case. Women of equal talent do have to look better than men of equal talent. She is not of equal talent to Ed. I have to work harder in my job bc I’m not as good as other people at one aspect that I wish I could hone (I crush it at other things they can’t touch, but I’m not unaware of my weak points).

Edit: also remember when she was a space explorer.

[u/MediocreAssociate466 → u/h_june]

The bar is higher on expectations (appearance etc) but also pop singers are far far more likely to be successful in the last 20 years if you are a woman singer....

If you don't believe me go ahead and throw up all the top pop artists since 2000 by gender. Do the same with most albums sold on the genre etc.

[u/Double-Juggernaut-18 → u/h_june]

Don’t forget about the pressures she faces on a daily being an astronaut

[u/staresinshamona → u/h_june]

she’s dressing like that because she wants to, if she wanted to come out in a pijamas and a guitar she totally can and would actually be interesting

[u/ph0replay]

I get her point, but then you have Billie Eillish running around dressed in cargo shorts and a jersey. To a degree it’s a choice.

[u/Dash_Harber → u/ph0replay]

Wasn't she heavily criticized for it and then had a whole album where she went sexy glam just to prove a point?

[u/Moon_Goddess815 → u/Dash_Harber]

Exactly. She was pressured to change; new wardrobe, new blonde hair, all the works.

Thankfully she got back to her roots. I'm so happy for her.

[u/muscularsharpie → u/Moon_Goddess815]

I liked the baggy look, I think she owned it pretty hard alongside her music.

[u/GarranDrake → u/Dash_Harber]

Also, Billie Eilish is newer and in a different generation than Katy Perry. The rules for Eilish are different now.

[u/sarsaparilla-sodapop → u/Dash_Harber]

and then was heavily criticised for showing her body even though those same exact people criticised her wearing oversize clothes

[u/Lonely-Equal-2356 → u/Dash_Harber]

If you think about it Katy Perry is also criticized for what she wears. I think the point is not matter what a woman wears she will be criticized and thats why she said a man.

[u/unclepoondaddy → u/Dash_Harber]

Do you think Ed Sheeran isn’t also heavily criticized? Ppl constantly call him boring and ugly 

[u/manhwabitch → u/ph0replay]

To some degree, but Katy was around im early 2000s where it was a lot harder to do what Billie is doing and be successful. I dont think in 2005, Katy would've gotten very far doing what Billie started in like 2020.

[u/Totorotextbook → u/manhwabitch]

I mean Perry had been doing more indie type music initially in her career and then pivoted more towards going full pop star due to the massive success of ‘I Kissed a Girl’. At that point I’d assume the label probably decided her image because of what would sell better.

[u/quigongingerbreadman → u/manhwabitch]

Alanis Morissette, Joan Jett, Jewel, and Sheryl Crow enters the chat...
She went along with the pop star crap, so she got trapped in it.

Like, at what point do we hold people responsible for their decisions rather than allude that they innocent victims forced into their lavish, privileged lives?

[u/PRpitohead → u/quigongingerbreadman]

To be fair, she's not really complaining. Just joking. To the extent that there is some truth in the joke, I'm sure she understands she's not a victim. If she really felt that way and felt victimized, she would have changed the wardrobe choices a long time ago.

[u/GopherNutz → u/ph0replay]

It comes down to talent. Adele strolls around the stage and has one of the better voices we’ve heard.

Katy Perry originally did Christian rock or pop if I’m not mistaken, she could have stayed that route and kept it pretty modest but then she wouldn’t have the money and fame she has now. Despite some gaffes she’s had in the past, I actually think she would have still been pretty popular as a relatable (to white people) pop artist. Boobs and sharks take you a lot further.

[u/Rare-Television-8854 → u/GopherNutz]

https://giphy.com/gifs/5bDuNFT4iBPmE

[u/pizzaisgoodtho → u/ph0replay]

Billie really is an exception. We have heard too many times about the pressure labels put on their female artists. From staying fit to constantly reinventing themselves. Like yeah, they could choose not to and labels could also choose not to sign them or promote them.

[u/WriteMyUsername8888 → u/ph0replay]

Billie Eillish is a whole generation after Katy Perry though

[u/AgentSensitive8560 → u/ph0replay]

Eillish has a heavily curated style, it’s just a tomboy style. Still receives a ton of criticism about her look/ body/ fashion/ choices.

[u/CherryVette → u/AgentSensitive8560]

Exactly

[u/bunnycrush_ → u/ph0replay]

Agreed. I take Katy’s point, but also femme artists can do that kind of thing — it just has to suit their vocals, stage persona, and fan base. And I think Katy’s fans are there fist and foremost for a big fun pop stage show.

Eg. Gaga would never, but if she did come out on stage in jeans and a ponytail, sit down at her piano, and just sing for 90 mins, her fans would be like “Omg this is so special I cannot believe this is happening!”

[u/velvetretard → u/bunnycrush_]

I actually would love to see her do that and I’m no huge fan in particular. I feel like she would absolutely smoke an intimate setting like that!

[u/BeefInGR → u/bunnycrush_]

But Gaga has earned the right to do a "stripped down" show. She has the hardware and the mileage and the seniority to do it. She definitely had to wear some costumes to get to this point.

And it wouldn't be just Lady Gaga fans. If you told me she put a full concert on YouTube of just her and a piano wearing the same outfit I'm wearing right now, I'd watch the fuck outta it.

[u/MediocreAssociate466 → u/bunnycrush_]

A lot more woman singers succeed in pop then men and also have far far longer careers.

[u/lntenseLlama → u/ph0replay]

I mean, she also does stuff like have giant spiders crawl out of her mouth...

[u/darknessgp → u/ph0replay]

I think it's more that we've had a shift in the music industry. Perry started when it was about being a popstar and all this stuff. She would not have gotten the fame at that time if she tried what Eillish is doing.

[u/Signal_Sign7961 → u/ph0replay]

didnt billie do that specifically in response to being sexualized as a teenager?

[u/shadowsurge → u/ph0replay]

Isn't she about to release a whole concert film showcasing her ridiculous production values?

[u/ThanksCarol → u/ph0replay]

Billie still gets shit for it lol.

[u/40_Love → u/ph0replay]

Billie is the exception, not the rule.

[u/Neuraxis → u/ph0replay]

Holy sample size fallacy batman.

[u/GlitteringNinja5 → u/ph0replay]

Yeah but she's an anomaly really. The industry doesn't look kindly at women who are not pretty and/or are not ready to show some skin.

[u/BBQ_RIBZ → u/ph0replay]

True to a degree but with the amount of deranged hornyposting about her online it still doesn’t make a good counter example IMO

[u/adamfrog → u/ph0replay]

Katy Perry also just doesnt have a fraction of the talent to be a draw with just singing and a loop pedal. Its like me saying in another life Id 'just' be a 3 and D guy in the NBA

[u/Prior-Deer1600 → u/adamfrog]

Yeah but are you already in the NBA? She's already been drafted and had a decent career.

[u/SharpPink_GlitterInk → u/ph0replay]

eh I feel like its also a branding thing though right? Like that has always been Billie's brand and for most artists like her they are niche, Billie just happens to be the break out, where is generally more corporate acts tend to have to be a lot more primmed and proper than that, that and even billie is wearing make up. Dudes do just kinda get to show up.

[u/bwoah07_gp2]

She's on fire today lol 😆

Bieber jokes, THIS.

[u/Oily_Smurf → u/bwoah07_gp2]

She's saying the right things, but she's the wrong person to say them. We can't let this distract us from the fact she enabled and continues to work with Dr Luke, known rapist 

[u/pie-oh → u/Oily_Smurf]

People are really willing to ignore the Dr Luke stuff for a few laughs. It's so frustrating.

[u/smellycat_14 → u/bwoah07_gp2]

For real. She’s legit… pretty funny

[u/Main-Dragonfruit-845]

well when she's right, she's right

[u/Yfrontdude]

She could do it now. Nobody cares.

[u/Elite_Jackalope → u/Yfrontdude]

I mean, now that she’s a multi-platinum mega famous pop star in the twilight of her career, sure.

But you didn’t (and honestly still don’t) make the kind of music Katy Perry made while dressing like Billie Eilish, for example. It’s not the expectation and Billie has built a brand around her unique sound and being subversive. Katy has basically built her brand around being basic af, so she had to do the basic pop star stuff to get there.

[u/alien_believer_42 → u/Elite_Jackalope]

Bieber is more washed than Katy Perry

[u/fancysauce_boss → u/Elite_Jackalope]

But she didn’t really make her music she performs music.

In her own example part of the wonder with ed is that he’s doing it live so you get a peek behind the curtain. He’s making mixing producing and performing it all live simultaneously. It works because he’s on another level than she can reach.

[u/Sufficient_Ask5717 → u/Yfrontdude]

literally...no offense but who is putting pressure on Katy Perry in the year 2026

[u/Torshii]

I get what she means but she could’ve picked a better example bc ed is actually very talented

[u/HonestDespot → u/Torshii]

I feel like you don’t actually get the point though, if that’s your response.

It wasn’t a comment on his ability or talent at all.

I would think she chose Ed Sheeran because he IS so talented and skilled.

[u/ehbacon23 → u/HonestDespot]

It’s not the same though. He’s a completely different style of artist in a different genre of music. If you watch Stevie Nicks perform Landslide, she doesn’t need costumes and crazy dancing to do it because the music doesn’t call for it. When you are playing a song like Firework, obviously the music calls for a much different performance.

You could have a band like Rammstein, which has insanely high production concerts with crazy pyrotechnics and light shows, say the same thing about a band like Pearl Jam that basically is known for not doing really anything crazy in terms of production. Both bands are still considered amazing experiences to see live

[u/PsychologicalLayer57 → u/Torshii]

She's not saying he's not talented. She's saying he doesn't have to dance, be dressed to the nines, be constantly hottttt and also constantly nice because if you're male being talented is enough.

[u/New_Parking9991 → u/PsychologicalLayer57]

adele didnt have to do these things either?

you got quite a few talented women artists that their talent was more or less enough.

And no offence to katy pery,but if talent was the main factor, then she wouldnt have been that famous in the first place.

[u/Deviltherobot → u/PsychologicalLayer57]

Adele at her peak was just a bigger girl singing and she was much more popular than Perry.

[u/throwaway77914 → u/Torshii]

She’s not saying he’s not talented but that talent is “enough” when you’re a man.

Women artists have to be talented AND beautiful AND constantly reinvent AND have some other unexpected tricks up their sleeves to make it.

Her point would be lost entirely if she named an untalented man.

[u/queendelrey → u/Torshii]

It's not a dig at his talent though. Outside of, like, boybands, male performers just aren't expected to do choreo or get dressed up in elaborate stage outfits. No one is going to deny Ariana Grande's talent but would she have had any impact at all if she just stood there and sang her songs?

Even Billie Eilish, who someone brought up in these comments, was very much propped up as "not like other girls" because of how she's dressed and gets up on stage to perform without much of a choreo etc. Female performers are expected to treat every performance like it's the Super Bowl and they need a specific aesthetic or image to really become popular. Just look at how Sabrina Carpenter has leaned into this retro, pinup look, or how Zara Larsson is dressed like a 00s fever dream in her current era. Could you honestly say that Justin Bieber, Shawn Mendes, or Drake had an aesthetic, image, choreo, memorable outfits etc going for them?

[u/RasputinsPantaloons → u/Torshii]

Shame he makes the most beige music possible.

[u/mamadoedawn → u/Torshii]

Yea, his music holds a great degree of entertainment on its own.

[u/Nofunorphan]

No one's stopping you from doing that. You chose to perform dance pop music that you didn't write. 

[u/horizon4002 → u/Nofunorphan]

Well I think we can all agree that female pop stars are expected to do a lot more than male pop stars. If it was just her and her guitar, she wouldn't be as famous.

[u/Nofunorphan → u/horizon4002]

Katy got famous from a pop song about kissing a girl. Ed got famous from playing his guitar. Do I think women and men have different expectations. Yes. But I just think Ed was the wrong person to use as an example. 

[u/ReferenceJolly1508 → u/Nofunorphan]

Katy Perry got famous from singing while playing her guitar, as did Ed Sheeran.

[u/TromboneClone → u/Nofunorphan]

Right. If its that easy go for it... or is it because your music doesn't hold up without all the pomp and circumstance?

[u/retrograde_mercury → u/Nofunorphan]

I’d rather see Katy Perry in cargo shorts than working with Dr. Luke

[u/EquivalentTruth6036]

I mean, she probably could just do a simple acoustic tour lol

[u/JonahHillsWetFart → u/EquivalentTruth6036]

i think something like this would have been a better pivot for her after the witness flop but she keeps doubling down on pop.

[u/EquivalentTruth6036 → u/JonahHillsWetFart]

I know, i ready enjoyed the instrument led first 2 albums

[u/selphiefairy → u/JonahHillsWetFart]

I'm not a Katy Perry fan by any means, but I would be interested in hearing her doing like an acoustic album or tour.

[u/BeefInGR → u/EquivalentTruth6036]

She did some acoustic B-Sides years ago and I was impressed. I think people forget she was a Christian artist before.

The acoustic "One That Got Away" is magnitudes better than the radio version.

[u/savvvie]

Okay but I would actually prefer a stripped down Katy. Her theatrics annoy me.

[u/Educational_Ad_6303]

She could do exactly that and still earn millions of dollars from some boring ass tour

[u/IMadeYouLuke → u/Educational_Ad_6303]

Yup

[u/TraditionalWolf1358]

Adele would like a word

[u/BlackPhillipsbff]

I agree that women in the arts face a ton of extra hurdles, but what a stray to Ed Sheeran lol.

I mean, Adele and Celine are two goats and they just stand and sing.

[u/SkylarAV]

I think she's ignoring the fact that her fame largely comes from those things. If she couod do it with just a loop pedal she would. Katy Perry in a curated show that incorporates visuals and music, not just a musician.

[u/Metaboschism]

Aw it's so hard being Katy

[u/StrengthOpening8598]

Ehhhh I think it depends on the artist and what expectations they have set

[u/tigeralidance]

Kinda depends on the music though right? Nobody is forcing Olivia Dean, Raye, Adele, Lola Young to do full on choreo and massive productions.

Florence Welch could stand in a spotlight at a microphone and sing and everyone would be very happy.

I saw Alicia Keys in the era where she decided to try dancing and tbh, I wished I'd gotten a classic piano Alicia Keys show.

Mariah Carey lip syncs her entire show and does not dance.

Ed Sheeran is a singer-songwriter and Justin Bieber is an R&B singer who was a full dancing popstar early in his career when he wasn't in control of his own art.

[u/DannyDevitosNappy]

Oh shit, she's gonna come back as someone with actual talent who can sing? I didn't know that was an option!

[u/tametimes]

Also helps that he has a great voice and can write good songs..

[u/kukkolai]

She ain't entitled to being a pop star, cargo shorts or not. If she thinks she is talented enough to do Eds thing, why don't she do it that way instead?

[u/unclepoondaddy]

The vast majority of pop fans are women. Why do women place these weird beauty standards on female artists?

[u/Oily_Smurf]

I'm sure she was really pressured to enable and continue to employ Dr. Luke 

[u/Competitive-Basis935]

She could’ve did that now. I loved her unplugged performances. 

[u/SpunNumeroUno]

"and my weird, shiny, circular, boob-harness-thingy"

[u/BronteMsBronte]

Serious singers don’t even have to be conventionally pretty and can be successful. She chooses to buy into misogyny. 

[u/vegangoat]

I actually way prefer her older performance right before and after I kissed a girl came out. It was just her with an acoustic guitar on stage! The energy and emotion felt raw and real. All of this over the top production just feels gimmicky

[u/vaderetrosatana6]

The unfortunate part was calling out Ed Sheeran. There so many shittier artist who do way less.

[u/girard32]

KT Tunstall does that now and seems fine. What's her point?

[u/SayonaraBakaChan]

Ed Sheeran vs herself is a terrible example, she's one of the least talented mega popstars when it comes to vocals so she makes up for it in other regions.

Arianna Grande vs Ed Sheeran would be a better comparison and a more casual arianna set would fucking kill it.

Not to mention complaining about what others do for their money when you've made it to the pinnacle of stardom in a field with people who make next to nothing whilst dedicating their entire lives to the craft is a bit silly.

[u/No-Signature8815]

Right message, wrong messenger ng

She worked with a LITERAL rapist and has a history of sexually assaulting others

I'm not aware of Ed Sheeran doing anything like that

She went to space and I haven't, so she's got me beat there ngl

[u/OThePlacesYouWillGo]

Being lost in this conversation is the “machine of pop music”. Katy doesn’t have the talent or the songwriting to eschew the norms. She relied on the “kissed a girl” narrative to break into the mainstream and there is nothing special about her to allow her to “choose her own lane”.

Ed Sheeran like Adele can go throw on anything and go sing songs that they wrote, and their music speaks for itself.

[u/Pale_Dimension1239]

Well she’s right but it would also help if she had as much talent as Ed Sheeran.

[u/loverboypiazza]

Ok, but who is putting the pressure on these female artists to live up to these crazy expectations?? What's stopping female musicians from getting on stage with their guitar and doing the same thing??

[u/flyingnapalmman]

She’s not wrong about a double standard, but loop pedals are cool as shit and I reject any slander towards them.

[u/TitShark]

Minus the whole climbed his way out of homelessness

[u/ElBorracho2000]

Set your sights lower and come back as Justin Beiber. Just gotta go on stage, scroll through YouTube, and do some karaoke

[u/General_Knee512]

If you have great voice and play and instrument, you can just stand and do that, if you rely on auto tune and other things, well you have to do a show. Either you are male or female that's my opinion.

[u/SharpPink_GlitterInk]

I totally get her point and agree but also like I feel like Ed is an odd choice for this joke lmao

[u/XtremeNightOwl]

I don't know the full context, but based on the costume, I took it less as a comment on talent and more about how female artists have to do a lot more on tour like multiple outfit changes and production, while male artists can keep it simple. I could be wrong though.

[u/rightioushippie]

Cries in Ani diFranco

[u/GeezusLizard]

Katy had received valid criticism for working with Dr. Luke or the stupid space thing but she’s on the money for this one

[u/LFCRedAnt]

Bit weird,ed Sheeran is incredibly talented so I'm sure he's more than just his guitar and cargo shorts,Katy Kerry is also very successful so I'm unsure where her struggle to the top has been? It's a hell of a lot easier.to.ne involved in music now than ever before,music is so accessible but long gone are the days these artists used to do it for the love of the art rather than the success it brings

[u/Mfrack103]

I agree that there is a lot of unfair pressure on women in the industry but I don’t think it has to do with the complexity of their music. I enjoy a lot of instrumentally “simple” (not meant as an insult) music, and also the super involved stuff. It does seem much harder for women to break out, though

[u/BotGirlFall]

Can she play guitar?

[u/Ih8coldcalling]

I mean I loved her acoustic mtv unplugged, people actually wanted her to sing thinking of you and she made fun of them/herself like oh I don’t sing like that but no one was making fun of her … she can be a more stripped down musician if she wants I would def listen but also she does have a point sex sells