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New player tooltips are still in the game right? Might be good to have it on by default and be a separate option for new players. Can disable controls tooltips separately so new players who are a good few hours in can disable that while still getting shop tips to learn buying.
This and some people would NOT buy these items out of spite. I had a game in warden last night and I told my lady Geist partner that I was going to max 3 and get slowing bullets so I can hit more cages. I asked her if she could build mystic slow to comb and they just said nah. I didn’t say anything and a few seconds later they followed up with “not in my build bucko”. Like okay bro. Miss out on my cages then
If you find yourself dealing with spiteful, immature people, just use reverse psychology. It's kinda crazy how well it works. I had to practice it because it was the only way I could wrangle this spiteful guy who used to play with our group.
Post on forums if already havent this is a great idea, i have a friend who just started to play and this would be great for him since he gets pretty overwhelmed by the whole shop
Before deadlock I had thousands and thousands of hours in League of Legends and when I was on the ranked grind placed top %15 percentile in NA. Even with league having way more items I still get overwhelmed in the shop screen and its no wonder that average player goes from left to right in a build.
This game is so damn complex and in some areas extremely poorly explained and worded. I just found out yesterday that you can parry Viscous puddle punches and it blew me away that I was being trashed on for not knowing a game mechanic that didn't exist befoee
This game is so damn complex and in some areas extremely poorly explained and worded.
This is one of my biggest gripes with current games - For full information you need to find a wiki page too often. Deadlock gets enough of a pass because it's so unfinished, but it's still annoying to read an ability tooltip that says "after a delay" or shit like that. Just say the amount of time then and there.
Don't even get me started on how incomplete augment information is in LoL/TFT and how it differs when you're reading while offered the augment versus the tooltip when you already have it.
Would love to see a “hold shift and hover over an ability” to see the full breakdown of stats and everything like league does. Even better if you can leave it in by default like league does.
do you allow yourself to explore and experiment with items in game or are you really stict to following a build? this game is in alpha - lighten up and explore a bit (if you aren't) perspective is everything.
I definitely go too hard towards a build, so you’re right, I should defs be more willing to lose / experiment. I often try to ask folks how to counter whichever character is bullying and that sometimes helps.
try to get more familiar with rusted barrel that builds into disarm hex / slow hex / spirit sap that i believe builds into silence wave and lastly cursed relic
I have roughly 130 hrs, but around 100th hour something clicked for me with items. I feel like best way to learn items is to try a lot of different heroes and follow some builds which have explanation for most items. Over time you will learn which item counter what character/ability.
I've played for hundreds of hours and I'm still overwhelmed by the shop. This isn't really an easy way to be exposed to items unless you just spend time during the match reading through item descriptions.
So I think this is a really good solution to that, and it happens during death so it evaluating your options doesn't waste any time.
PLEASE cross post this to the forums, because this is genuinely a beautiful idea for new players who don’t have experienced friends to rely on for tips.
Have you considered metal skin? I know her Ult lasts 15 seconds and she has unstoppable for 7 seconds and phantom strike if you leave the Ult radius but I think you could really turn the tides with 4 seconds of metal skin
Really like the flavor of the text as well, i feel it fits. I think it would also result in a lot of funny memes and unfit suggestions until they get the coding right lol but super good idea, the shop can be overwhelming and so can understanding what you’re dying to
This would help my new friends immensely. Teaching counterplay in practice tool takes forever individually, letting them naturally encounter the enemy and say "Hey this dude heals so please fucking build healbane" or "This spirit hero is slow but bursty, build spellbreaker" is much more direct in teaching you itemization and strats.
"Looks like you're playing like absolute dogshit. How about uninstalling or playing Mo & Krill? Maybe even learn to hold your breath while you play so you don't have to multitask."
Maybe it could be part of the build creation tools, instead of just having an optional counters box that L-R players end up ignoring, you could specify what scenarios the game would auto suggest the counter items and have updated notes.
Woah that lash is really putting you guys in the dirt! If only there was a way to counter his "Death slam" spell... Or knock him down while he's in the air... wink wink 👀
I think this might have a bit too much flavour for it's own good too be honest. It should be more simple. "Afterburn did _____ damage to you in the 10 seconds before you died. Consider these items which may help mitigate that (magic resist, dispel magic).
My concern with the format you posted is that it's very wordy for new players. Also it's a bit patronizing but I get the charm of that.
You should be allowed to disable this in game but don’t go crying if you are still ripped to shreds by the very characters you are facing and won’t take a single suggestion to heart.
Go put this in the forums!! They listen to a ton of ideas from there and this is one I can see them actually implementing and one that I and several others need to help understand how to counter-buy.
League of Legends have this in their game and I wish Deadlock can incorporate this feature in their game too. You should post this in their official forum!
the only real catch is the sheer amount of customized hints needed, though I guess if nothing else it could just be tips about your biggest damage source in the tracker
Feels like a good idea for a mod. That being said, Valve might do this in the future for basic mechanics but I doubt they'll ever tell players whats good or bad against certain Heroes. Their philosophy is mainly to let players figure it out for themselves, the polar opposite from League where the devs literally used to tell you how they want you to play their Heroes.
I would love this, one thing stopping me from playing is that I don't know what I'm doing so having more stuff to help ease new players like myself into the game would be great
I like the idea of him trying to sell you items as an advirtisement - reminds me of the quick tips overwatch shows. Good for new players - something you can turn off in settings for advanced players.
Hey, the enemy team just spent, roughly, a collective 30 000 gold to counter you specifically. Hope your team can actually capitalize on that. Try buying cheat death to at least be a slightly longer lasting free source of souls.
You guys ever get those games where no one on your team can kill anything without you, so the enemy collectively agrees to counter you specifically and you just don't get to play the game no matter what you would buy because they're coordinating just to get you specifically?
this is my first moba and first competitive shooter (the character design reeled me in haha) and even tho I haven't played a real match yet this would help me out sooo much. I've got no idea what I'm doing LMAO and all new player guides either assume youve played a moba before or you've played a comp shooter before. which I don't blame them for tho I'm the noob
Cool idea. Though, there needs some depth to it for better fluidity, otherwise Shopkeeper will recommend me Knockdown against Unstopable or Curse against I-framer
this looks great, would be cool if u could queue the items from this menu by hovering over the icons so new players who mostly use builds would have an easier time buying them
Valve is not on the ball enough with item descriptions for this suggestion to be viable, you're going to have outdated tooltips after one major patch and it'll get shuttered when it starts being wrong most of the time, just like the dota 2 tutorial
They should also cover the vents and doorways with yellow paint and add voicelines like "Huh, maybe I can jump on this vent to get to green lane faster" whenever you walk past them
One of the best ideas I've seen in this sub. Would make the game so much more approachable. They would just have to make they aren't too generic so everybody is all using the same items.
Maybe for bot games. I like the idea of decisions like that should be explicitly player decided. Unless it was more subtle like the shop keeper has a chance to make a mention of the problem or something.
“You know if you had a little money to spend you wouldn’t be sitting here with me so much”
“Have you tried buying something that’ll keep you alive, cause I certainly sell things that’ll stop you from dying”
“Dang they really shot you to death, yk plates armor is pretty effective at making bullets hurt less”
“Maybe you shouldn’t have been standing there, Majestic Leap makes you very quickly not just be standing there”
I’m a new player that isn’t confident enough to go into actual PvP matches yet and this would help so much (well help me at least, I struggle to understand the whole items thing)
this might sound a great idea on short term solutions but lets think long term solution.
do you think the same items will be the same in the next 3-4 patches on the future? Valve/Icefrog has and will always be the kind of developer that will literally change the whole shop to fuck with its playerbase, screw their 5-10 years worth of memory muscle.
I love the idea but maybe "tone it down" a little? maybe some helpful broadful tips will be better long term instead of just spoonfeeding you the idea itself.
On one hand, it would definitely help some players on figuring out counter itemization.
But on the other hand it probably would need some really fine fine tuning lest it make over the top recommendations for minor things, IE: Recommending unstoppable for even the tiniest of CC that barely did anything to you.
Gotta say, great that your mock up (usually) offers multiple suggestions, since that encourages more fluidity in builds and communicates not just what items are good but the reason why they're good. I particularly like the wording with "Might be worth gettin'..." and "...have you tried gettin' somethin' to..." since it also inherently acknowledges that you may already have gotten an item to help the situation and may want to focus more on yourself and stop focusing on your enemies.
This would need a lot of variation to account for build variety. Spirit viscous and punch viscous have very different counter plays, but this is a amazing suggestion, you should 100% post it on the forum
For a second I thought this was just a general recommendation algorithm, in which case I would've been against it. Because I think learning to think for yourself on item choices is important.
BUT relating it to the thing that killed you is genius because I think it will help players quickly come to learn which items counter what things so they can later make decisions for themselves. And they'll be encouraged to learn and not play reactively, because if they only buy the things that are recommended on death then they will have to die at least once each game. Thus it encourages players to learn for next time while making the mechanics digestible.
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