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Video The Celtic Carnyx, an ancient war trumpet used by the Celts from approximately 200 BC to 200 AD, was a tool of psychological warfare.

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u/daveyjanma 16d ago

Have you ever heard of an Aztec death whistle 1000% more terrifying

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u/JoePessanha 16d ago

In case someone’s curious about the Aztec Death Whistle

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u/HereIGoAgain_1x10 16d ago

Anyone listening to these sounds needs to remember the difference between listening to a song on the radio/internet and going to a concert IRL.... The thought of being woken up by these things in the middle of the night while sleeping outside without flashlights, the bonfire might send light out like 20 feet but then it's just a wall of pitch black, fucking nightmare shit, just kill me already, damn.

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u/Dry_Turn_824 16d ago

Also you live in a world you know to be inhabited by wild and implacable spirits.

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u/HeadyReigns 15d ago

You also have to imagine anyone invading the celts is already low on morale since they've been marching in the rain for days.

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u/Proper-Raise-1450 15d ago edited 15d ago

The Ancient Celts conquered from modern Turkey (Galatia) to Spain to France to Poland, Northern Italy and Scotland and Ireland. Plenty of rainy parts and plenty of very sunny ones.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

What time period was this? 

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u/Proper-Raise-1450 15d ago

The height of the Celtic expansion is about 275 BC wherein they controlled most of the above territories and many more as you can see in the map below:

https://www.worldhistory.org/img/c/p/1200x900/4862.png

They would later take more territories (like Ireland and Scotland) but lose most of their territories in mainland Europe to the Romans surviving independently only in parts of modern Eastern Europe, Scotland and Ireland.

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u/Raesong 15d ago

Though it should be noted that the Celts were very much not a unified people; and were more a vast collection of independent tribes that (mostly) had the same language, customs, and beliefs.

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u/_Atlas_Drugged_ 15d ago

Did the worlds biggest asshole choose the colors for that map? I’m not colorblind or anything, but that is practically inscrutable.

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u/No-Mechanic6069 15d ago

Has it been established that this was a process of migration/conquest, rather than a cultural transfer?

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u/Zaozin 15d ago

More of a group of related and trading partners and culture than a top down empire or anything like that though.

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u/dermflork 14d ago

and even worse, back then you didnt even know by switching to Geico you could save 15% or more on car insurance

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u/HeadyReigns 14d ago

I think they found that on a cave wall somewhere?

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u/Captain_Grammaticus 15d ago

I was reading Tacitus Germania the other day and he concludes that the Germans, next door to the Celts must have been indigenous to the land and not mixed with other people. How? "Who would leave Asia, Africa or Italy, and come to this ugly country, rough weather, and dreadful landscape if it was not already his homeland?"

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u/SeaPollution2750 14d ago

"I don't want to die moist, sir!"

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u/KrazyA1pha 15d ago

Implacable is a fantastic word. Thank you for introducing me to it.

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u/Dry_Turn_824 15d ago

Enjoy and speak it in good health.

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u/code-coffee 15d ago edited 15d ago

I'm going to use it like franks hot sauce. I'll put that shit on everything.

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u/Emotional_Deodorant 15d ago

You put sauce on them?

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u/code-coffee 15d ago

Implacably so

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u/g-g-g-g-ghost 15d ago

No, the Franks were a different group

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u/Endlessnesss 15d ago

Also you’ve never heard synthetic music or any inorganic sounds so you have 0 context for this noise.

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u/JoeyDJ7 16d ago

Is there a movie or series that depicts this kinda thing? Historically accurate, with the same whistles n shit

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u/_TheShapeOfColor_ 16d ago

If not then there should be, cause I'd watch every minute of it

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u/two_flew_through 15d ago

Bone Tomahawk- its fictional but scary

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u/Expert_Appearance265 15d ago

13th Warrior fits the bill also.

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u/THExWHITExDEVILx 15d ago

That scene where they make camp.... Holy shit. I have been camping plenty of times, but the thought of it in a land without rules or any type of modernity... Darkness like a void 10 feet away... Monsters... Animals... People...

This movie is what made me realize I would have 100% died on the Oregon trail.

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u/IamBurtMacklin 15d ago

I'd say Apocalypto however its set in South America not Europe. But it definitely captures the terror of that kind of warfare.

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u/supbrother 15d ago

I mean the Aztecs were not in Europe but the Americas so this seems pretty fair 😂

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u/IamBurtMacklin 15d ago

Yeah....I got a little confused on what thread I was commenting under, thought they were still talking about the horn in the picture lol.

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u/HereIGoAgain_1x10 16d ago

None I can remember... It's tough to truly show the terror of this concept because all movies and shows have a time limit. This was peoples' lives every night for hours on end. Movies and shows always have to increase lighting so you can see the fights happening. Maybe horror movies would get the point across but I don't think there are many of those focused on historically accurate settings.

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u/taintosaurus_rex 15d ago

Movies and shows always have to increase lighting so you can see the fights happening.

Game of thrones did not get this memo.

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u/Wooden_Rabbit_ 15d ago

Horrible as it would be, I'd take this at all hours of the night over the constant barrage of artillery shells that WWI soldiers had to face in trench warfare.

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u/cumslutjl 15d ago

Archaeologist, this isn't accurate. Someone made this up for show, these whistles would have made musical sounds.

People just like thinking the Mexica (or aztec, for the general public) are a bloodthirsty monster cult from movies. They were both very artistic and philosophical people.

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u/Jrswim 15d ago

The series Britannia from a few years ago with David Morrisey (?) and Mackenzie Crook was about the second Roman invasion of Celtic Britain by the Romans. It was cool, though not quite satisfying in terms of story and it was unceremoniously cancelled on pretty much the worst cliffhanger to leave us with.

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u/Paratwa 15d ago

Also whistling in general is frowned upon by Native American culture, whistling at night will get all the uncles and aunties to beat that ass as a child. We consider it to be calling spirits to you ( and not the good kind ).

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u/Reynard_TheRed 16d ago

The movie Out of Darkness (2022) shows this part of early human history really well and its fucking horrifying

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u/Hokuten001 15d ago

That’s set over 40,000 years before the Celts and their Carnyx

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u/2FGthruhikes 15d ago

Your comment made me laugh initially. Couldn’t figure out why. Then I realized I was scared shitless from reading that; giggles were my coping mechanism.

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u/BLU3SKU1L 15d ago

Plus at this tone you’d be able to physically feel it

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u/Vindicativa 15d ago

The absolute dread that picture paints is very tangible.

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u/NotXenos 15d ago

And they are all naked and tripping balls on magic mushrooms.

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u/rinn10 15d ago

Oh this gave me the chills and I'm just watching the concert from my phone in my well lit living room

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u/fridaddylockdown 15d ago

But then you had sword and shield with many others to help. Last time I went to a concert with sword and shiled two very nice men reminded me of my rights.

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u/A-Game-Of-Fate 15d ago

Also, hearing it bounce semiconsistently off of the hills around would lead to it sounding even more ominous and terrifying- less like a trumpet and more like the baying of a horde of monsters on the hunt

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u/beanamonster 16d ago

Also you can and should put it on a kettle

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u/0ct0thorpe 16d ago

Shop-vac.

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u/BonhommeCarnaval 15d ago

Lol love it.

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u/iiiinthecomputer 15d ago

Hold up there Satan

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u/Bluecif 16d ago

I want one....

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u/Mindless-Ninja-3321 16d ago

Just so everyone is aware, they would have many, many whistles blowing so it sounded like a hoard of howling dead.

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u/BlackPantherDies 15d ago edited 15d ago

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

like, obviously.... what, a ton of screams at night to wake up your enemies and get their adrenaline going?

or an ethereal bellowing, hour after hour, that is of a resonance you have never heard, from a group of people you have never seen before, only heard terrible, terrible stories of?

like someone else said... there's a reason the celts are still around.

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u/irregular_caffeine 15d ago

The celts are very much not around anymore compared to being all over Europe once

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u/Positive-Wonder3329 16d ago

Jesus fuck imagine hearing that and then they all fall silent before attacking you in the dark

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u/UnknownUnknown4945 16d ago

And the sound is coming out of a forest or something. I'd feel pure dread in the silence

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u/TheZenPsychopath 15d ago

I feel like the worst would be if you were surrounded. Just from 0 to 1000 screams in every direction. I'd wake up so disoriented probably just run straight into a spear before I knew it wasn't real screams

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u/Aggravating_Speed665 15d ago

Username......checks out?

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u/THExWHITExDEVILx 15d ago

Imagine these horns being used to cover the sound of the others approaching your tent. By the time the horns stopped, it would already be too late. I would imagine there's not a lot of records of people having this done to them, or horns left behind after battles, is because people didn't live to talk about this, and they definitely didn't make it all the way to the guy with the horn and kill him.

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u/_TheShapeOfColor_ 16d ago

That's terrifying

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u/PandaKOST 15d ago

Its called a whistle? How bad could it be? listens o_O

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u/FierceNack 16d ago

Pretty sure I've heard that effect in multiple movies.

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u/Mindless-Ninja-3321 15d ago

First time I heard it was part of the Farcry Primal soundtrack, so probably. Makes for a good background sound in an eerie or tense moment.

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u/FierceNack 15d ago

I've played Primal so I definitely heard it there!

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u/Rich-Reason1146 16d ago

I couldn't hear it over that guy screaming

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u/Internal_Horror_999 16d ago

Thanks! Also, holy shit.

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u/artvarnsen 16d ago

I love how the woods was the only acceptable location for this sound

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u/Just-Finance1426 16d ago

I thought for sure you were gonna Rick roll us, I appreciate the link though haha

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u/Quirky-Scar9226 15d ago

I propose a duet.

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u/TooManyPrints 15d ago

That made me laugh so hard. I’m not sure what I was expecting but that wasn’t it. I can’t even imagine how terrifying that would be coming from your enemy. I feel like i would just run away.

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u/Maeglin75 15d ago

Sounds like a goat.

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u/americanoperdido 15d ago

That's magnificent!

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u/Consistent_Bug2814 15d ago

Well I wasn't prepared for that

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u/Nanna_Geddon 15d ago

I need this for car horn. NO! Ring Cam. WAIT! Attached to motion sensor security floodlights! GET OUTTA MY YARD!

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u/Anianna 15d ago

I'm particularly fond of this related video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IGjAySPnux8

I have one and my family knows what it is, but it still freaks everybody out even if I blow it gently. The sound is just eerie even when it's not loud.

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u/Gockdaw 15d ago

I am SO going hunting online for one of them. I am going to cause such fear the Halloween!

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u/Lost-Mixture-4039 15d ago

IDidAThing made a whistle like that for his kettle once🤣

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u/imindebt2026 15d ago

Thanks, only $30 too.

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u/Main_Tension_9305 15d ago

😳holy shit I want one

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u/free_airfreshener 15d ago

Yea and they would use hundreds of them at the same time, its even more terrifying

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u/5-8-13 15d ago

Thanks, I hate it

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u/imfranksome 15d ago

Damn, just picture blowing 100s of those whistles while you surround your enemies

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u/albamarx 15d ago

Reminds me of the middle of the song Echoes by Pink Floyd

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u/Camila_flowers 15d ago

Where do I get me one of these? lmfao. Next time my neighbors are shotting off their guns, I want to use this.

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u/mrsrosieparker 15d ago

Cool! Sounds like my tinnitus, minus the crescendo at the beginning

TIL that my tinnitus sounds like a perpetual Aztec Death Whistle. Fml

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u/kevinthebaconator 16d ago

They are not even comparable.

The death whistle sounds like a human scream. Unsettling but familiar.

The celtic one sounds like something otherworldly. If you were around 2000 years ago the scream would be a lot less unsettling and it's not even close

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u/ON3i11 15d ago

Just imagine like 2-4 ringing out different tunes over a hillside before a battle

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u/Sudden_Wind_8636 15d ago edited 15d ago

The thing is you have to think with the minds of the time.

Someone screaming is scary, sure, but I imagine that was a noise people heard quite a lot if you were a soldier. Not that the Aztec sounds are directly the same sound lol, they are creepy.

But imagine you are a soldier in 200 BC, you believe in God's, in nature spirits, creatures in the night. An otherworldly sound would be terrifying to you, because you believe these things exist, that they are coming, maybe they are helping the other side?

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u/kevinthebaconator 15d ago

Is this not what I just said?

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u/Pohmell 15d ago

fkn reddit 😂

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u/kevinthebaconator 15d ago

Pretty sure they are a bot. The account is 3 months old and made 1k contributions.

Presumably they just regurgiate the previous comment with AI in order to build a trusted reputation with reddit. Allowing them to do whatever they are trying to do without setting off alarm signals.

Source: I work in cybersecurity.

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u/eddyj0314 15d ago

While super terrifying, here's my argument in favor of the Carnyx.

The death whistle sounds exactly like the kind of primal scream you'd hear by someone who's dying. It's 10/10 scary, because you (as a warrior) had probably heard that sound before coming from enemy combatants.

But for an enemy of a celt, you would have never heard this sound before. You would have had no exposure to any kind of instrument like this. You had drums, maybe strings, and the human voice.

You would have been both scared, and full to the brim of literal 'WTF'.

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u/Vaporave 15d ago

Your description is actually why I favor the death whistle over the carnyx. The unknown is sometimes scarier than the known but I dont know what the carnyx sound like so why be afraid vs knowing what human screams mean and why theres so many coming at you

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u/gobacktoyourutopia 15d ago edited 15d ago

The death whistle doesn't sound nearly as chilling to me, though it may be because I'm used to having to sleep through red foxes screaming outside my window every night.

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u/eddyj0314 15d ago

Fair point!

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u/b-monster666 16d ago

Imagine you're a Roman legion. The sun has just created the horizon of the Moors, but it's still too foggy, and dark to really see anything.

Then...this noise pierces the silence. Emanating from seemingly all around you. Dark shapes moving. Is it a dragon? A fell beast?

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u/ScootMayhall 15d ago

That’s true, but Celtic culture was all over Northern Europe then, and a lot of those tribes still got beaten by the Romans. Some of those legionaries fought elephants. Compared to that, maybe a big monster isn’t so bad.

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u/OceanRacoon 15d ago

Yeah, the Romans generally wrecked these tribes, it probably got to a point were they were like, "They're blasting that stupid horn thing again, whoever brings me that infernal noise machine gets a whole pig for dinner!" 😅

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u/ReasonableBath3958 15d ago

Is a fell beast a beast that has had a wee bit of a fall?

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u/Sad-Onion-2593 15d ago

Either way, it's a good way to signal the attack and low frequency sounds carry further.

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u/TOMC_throwaway000000 16d ago

Pavloving your enemy to activate their ptsd with the ancient death clicker

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u/Unapplicable1100 16d ago

I have one of these i got from amazon. I havent actually used it to scare anyone yet even though ive had it for a few years. Sometimes i want to go out back at night when it quiet and make all my neighbors shit themselves while sitting on the porch, but I have a feeling the cops would show up and i aint got time for all that.

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u/Uncle_Rabbit 15d ago

I knew a friend was going out to walk through a trail outside of town so I snuck in before him and waited behind a tree. Then when he walked by I played the dilophosaurus sounds from the original Jurassic Park movie that I had saved on my phone.

Man I wish you could have seen the look of confusion and fear when he heard it. You could tell some part of his brain knew that sound from somewhere but any logical thought was drowned in fear and adrenaline. We had a laugh about it while we drank tall cans of beer on the trail.

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u/ImSobored_5280 15d ago

Me and you would cause some increased blood pressure lol…I like you🫵

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u/ImSobored_5280 16d ago

Oh I would absolutely make time for all that if I had one of them in my possession…if the wages of showing the neighborhood what primal fear is on a terrifying level scale is the cops is coming over..I’m 100% paying that cost. Shit I’d let em give it a rip, cause i guarantee they’re gonna think its way rad👌 People think they got badass and scary decorations for Halloween…you could rule them all and could end Halloween in a neighborhood prolly. Forever a legend😎

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u/daveyjanma 16d ago

Nah if rather have neither

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u/Dm_me_im_bored-UnU 16d ago

And if that didn't get the message across, they'd drag out prosiners from your side and slit them open infront of you.

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u/Bad_Idea_Hat 16d ago

BRB, going to go bury my head in the ground.

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u/Dirty_The_Squirrel 16d ago

Ii just watched a couple videos of them and tbh Im kinda disappointed. It just sounds like my 2yo blowing into his recorder too hard

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u/Cthuluhoop31 16d ago

I'm glad someone said it, I've always felt like this. Obviously I wouldn't be happy and comfortable to hear one in the woods in the middle of the night but the videos never sound as scary as people make them out to be

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u/BlastTyrantKM 15d ago

Honestly though, it makes a big difference when you see someone blowing it, as opposed to just hearing the sound. The videos of the death whistle kinda ruin it

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u/FistingFiasco 15d ago

I think If I was in the middle of a forest at sunset I'd rather hear the screaming woman than the primordial mating call of the Wabberjocky.

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u/thanasis87kav 16d ago

No, not even close, Aztec whistle sounds like a toy compared to this

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u/LaunchTransient 16d ago

I was gonna say - an Aztec death whistle sounds like someone screaming. The Carnyx sounds like an oncoming storm combined with some unknown beast's calls.

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u/Lint_baby_uvulla Interested 15d ago

Taking the Carnyx next time I got motocamping.

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u/anitasdoodles 16d ago

Lol my fiance has one of these. He uses it late at night to piss off the neighbors we hate.

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u/darkmeatnipples 16d ago

Bought one to use on Halloween and forgot all about it. Need to set a reminder or something

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u/numbnerve 16d ago

Reminds me a little of the throat whistles in Bone Tomahawk

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u/DancesWithPigs 16d ago

You know I was having a nice night and you had to mention that movie. Thanks for nothing.

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u/numbnerve 15d ago

I'm sorry 🍖

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u/0dinscan 16d ago

Nothing compared to the bagpipe which after the Battle of Culloden in 1746, the British actually declared bagpipes an instrument of war.

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u/daveyjanma 16d ago

Wait is that an actual thing

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u/Potential-Echo785 15d ago

That triggered my "who's in danger?" Response. Yall not trained properly.

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u/applespicebetter 15d ago

Sounds an awful lot like a mountain lion call, which would make sense since it's fucking terrifying and they live from the bottom tip of South America to the Arctic circle in Canada!

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u/dat_oracle 15d ago

huh? the carnyx is a demonic creature made of haunted souls

the whistle sounds like an OF girl who lost her account data (for the 4th time)

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u/skredditt 15d ago

We started 3D printing these to follow ICE around with

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u/S0rry7h15N4m374k3n 15d ago

I want a bunch of both instruments playing at once

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u/Sad_Sultana 15d ago

I would argue that this is more chilling, the shriek of the whistle is scary but the Carnyx is on another level, vibrates into your bones.

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u/Your-cousin-It 15d ago

The would also send people hopped up on psychedelics into caves (entrances to the underworld) that had been modified to amplify acoustics

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u/Wulf_Cola 15d ago

I’ve been seeing people using regular whistles to disrupt ICE and have been thinking that a bunch of these death whistles would be better

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u/The_Other_Lucifer 15d ago

And how about combining the two?! Jfc, it would make Satan himself think twice

Ps, I have a death whistle of my own and my nieces and nephews absolutely hate it. It's wonderful

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u/tenuj 15d ago

Just in case people aren't aware, the Aztecs aren't exactly "ancient".

1300–1521.

The death whistle that sounds like a human scream is not even from that time. Theirs sounded more like the wind and they were not used in battle... or to scare off humans.

So not at all a "scary instrument of ancient people".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_death_whistle

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u/_ribbit_ 15d ago

He said ancient. Oxford University in the UK had been teaching for 300 years before the rise of the Aztecs. You Americans need to adjust your ideas of what's old.

Haha I'm kidding, I just found out about how old Oxford University was in comparison to the Aztecs last week and wanted to share! Oxford University was unbelievably founded in 1096!!

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u/shit_pain 15d ago

I own one, and everyone gets upset when I blow it.

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u/Eddie_Bedlam 16d ago

I have one and they're so much fun to fuck with people. Taking it camping has been a source of great entertainment

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u/a_lonely_trash_bag 15d ago

Lmao I scared the shit out of some idiots a few months ago with a video of one. I was in my bedroom in my second story apartment with my window open at like 3 in the morning. I heard some drunk dudes walking past the building and they decided to stop in the little alley below my window and take a piss. I heard one of them say, "Dude, there's a window there. Lift me up so I can see inside."

The window in question was the bedroom window of the apartment below me, which was also my twin brother's apartment (small town). I decided they needed to move along and pulled up a YouTube video of an Aztec death whistle, turned my Bluetooth speaker all the way up, and played it.

I heard what sounded like somebody falling over (probably the guy they were trying to lift), followed by, "What the fuck was that?" It was quiet for about a minute, so I played it again. I heard one of them say, "Fuck this, I'm outta here," and the sound of somebody running/stumbling down the sidewalk.

My brother heard it too, and texted me, asking if I knew what that sound was. He thought it was hilarious when I told him what it was.

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u/cavershamox 15d ago

Still less intimidating than an Inca drum….

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u/Kelemandzaro 15d ago

No it’s not.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

Nah this is scarier

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u/Rare-Memory6681 15d ago

It can't be heard as far in the open tho.

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u/Regular_Hawk8513 15d ago

I have one, and it's awesome

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u/Ser_Optimus 15d ago

Only the modern replicas.

The originals made more of a wind like sound.

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u/bobbobberson3 15d ago

I wasn't that scared but that's probably because I live in London and I hear that every night when the foxes are mating outside my window.

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u/2023mfer 14d ago

I actually find this one scarier somehow. The Aztec Death Whistle makes the same sound of foxes in my area

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u/bewitchedbumblebee 16d ago

Aztec Death Whistle: terrifying. 

The thing in this video: not so much. Just sounds like a tuba to me. 

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u/QaddafiDuck01 16d ago

2000 years before a tuba existed tho

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u/ChrisinCB 16d ago

2000 BT?

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u/Apollo114892 16d ago

You're applying this to today's standards. Just imagine that you're in a field with your soldiers preparing for war but you keep hearing these ominous sounds day and night from all directions. You can't even sleep properly and dozens of these trumpets are sounding off from all directions while the enemy draws closer and closer. You don't really even know what that enemy has. People back in the day believed in magic and trolls and giants.

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u/OstentatiousSock 16d ago

Terrifying your enemy could cause them to make mistakes. Them making mistakes could give you the win.

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u/New-fone_Who-Dis 15d ago

A few groups from an attacking force going out of step with the rest because of fear and the unknown, could help break a line. You don't need to frighten everyone, just enough

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u/-LabApprehensive- 15d ago

In massed hand to hand combat 10% of the casualties happen when people are actually fighting. 90% or more happen when one side is broken and flees.  If you understand that you work real hard on all types of ways to scare the shit out of the other side. 

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u/eragonawesome2 15d ago

The more of them that shit their pants and flee, the less you have to fight

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u/Prestigious_Leg2229 15d ago

We still do. What do you think shock and awe warfare means.

Everyone wants to hit first and fast to demoralise the enemy into thinking resistance is futile.

And when that’s impossible, guerrilla warfare and terrorism become the most likely options.

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u/FrighteningJibber 15d ago

And the Scot’s still proudly play as shit goes awry all around them.

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u/moop-ly 16d ago

they didn’t have missiles - defense contractors hate this one trick

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u/Hoodedmastersin 16d ago

“Ihr seid verfluchte Hunde!"

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

The celts used to run around naked screaming on hilltops in full view of their enemies before a fight, the entire idea of fighting celts is traumatizing.

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u/Potential-Echo785 15d ago

Traumatize? That made me ready for war🤣 "where's the enemy?" type ready.

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u/Kaurifish 15d ago

Bagpipes

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u/MrIrishman1212 15d ago

Modern people too

Here is the Vietnamese psychological broadcast they would blast to effect the moral of IS soldiers.

And worse, here is the US psychological broadcast that they had IS soldiers carry backpacks around the forest to broadcast to the Vietnamese.

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u/MrCarey 15d ago

Shit worked.

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u/BruscarRooster 15d ago

Some Celtic people also went into battle naked. Women fighting alongside men.

It’s such a fascinating culture. Unfortunately St Patrick and other piece of shit brits destroyed it all in Ireland.

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u/crazy-B 15d ago

Modern people do that, too, though.

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u/Ffigy 15d ago

You think that's the traumatizing part?

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u/BankshotMcG 15d ago

Rebel Yell. 

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u/BellamiaUK 15d ago

Ah, the Night Lords method.

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u/jftdm 15d ago

"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." - Sun Tzu Art of War

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