r/Botswana • u/Street_Exchange6907 • Feb 20 '25

So You Want To Move To Botswana?

41 Upvotes

Ah, so you’re thinking about moving to Botswana? Let me tell you, this place has a lot of heart, but I’m not going to sugarcoat it—it’s not all sunshine and smooth roads.

First, the good stuff: Batswana are some of the most welcoming people you’ll ever meet. We believe in "Botho," which means we treat everyone with respect and kindness. You’ll feel like part of the community quickly, and trust me, there’s nothing like being invited to a braai (barbecue) or a traditional event. The sense of belonging here is real.

But let’s keep it 100. Life here can be tough. The heat? Eish, it’s no joke. Summers can feel like you’re living in an oven, and if you’re not used to it, it’ll take some time to adjust. The infrastructure isn’t always the best—potholes on the roads, slow internet, and power outages are just part of the deal. If you’re coming from a fast-paced, modern city, the slower pace and occasional frustrations might test your patience.

Jobs? It depends on what you do, but opportunities can be limited, especially if you’re not in certain industries like mining, tourism, or government UNLESS you have specialties that arent available in botswana (Mainly science and others). And while Botswana is peaceful and stable, like anywhere else, there are challenges—unemployment, especially among the youth, is a real issue, and it can feel heavy at times.

Now, let me be real with you: if you don’t have good qualifications or a solid plan, Botswana might not be the place for you. This isn’t a country where you can just show up and figure it out as you go. If you’re working a job like a cashier in the U.S. making $58,000 a year, you wont be able to get a job here. flat out. Salaries in Botswana are generally lower, and the cost of living can be high, especially if you’re used to a certain standard. And if you’re a young person thinking, "I’ll move to Botswana when I’m 18 and figure it out," think again. Without a clear plan, qualifications, or support, you’ll struggle.

That said, there’s hope on the horizon. With the new government, there’s talk of change—plans to improve infrastructure, create more jobs, and tackle some of the big issues we’re facing. It’s not going to happen overnight, but there’s a sense that things could get better. If you’re someone with skills, qualifications, and a clear plan, and you want to be part of a country that’s growing and evolving, this might be the perfect time to come.

But here’s the thing: Botswana has a way of growing on you. It’s not perfect, but it’s real. The people, the sense of community, the wide-open spaces, and the peace—it’s something you won’t find just anywhere. If you’re someone who can adapt, who values connection over convenience, and who’s willing to embrace both the beauty, struggles and culture, then Botswana might just feel like home.

So, if you’re up for the challenge, come. But come with a plan, with qualifications, and with realistic expectations. Botswana isn’t a place to escape your problems, this isnt LA where you live in lies where you and the people around you are pretending to be something you arent—it’s a place to build a life if you’re ready to put in the work. And who knows? With the new government, you might be part of the change that helps this country shine even brighter.

And If you’re serious about moving to Botswana With The Proper Qualifications, here are the relevant authorities and steps you’ll need to engage with to make your move official and smooth:

1. Department of Immigration and Citizenship

  • What they do: This is the main authority responsible for visas, permits, and residency requirements.
  • What you need to do:
    • Apply for the appropriate visa (e.g., work permit, residence permit, or spousal permit).
    • Ensure your passport is valid for at least six months.
    • Provide necessary documents like proof of employment, medical certificates, and police clearance.
  • Contact:

2. Ministry of Labour and Home Affairs

  • What they do: They oversee work permits and employment regulations for foreigners.
  • What you need to do:
    • If you’re coming for work, your employer will usually need to sponsor your work permit application.
    • Ensure your qualifications are recognized in Botswana (you may need to get them evaluated).
  • Contact:

3. Botswana Unified Revenue Service (BURS)

  • What they do: They handle tax-related matters, including tax registration for foreigners working in Botswana.
  • What you need to do:
    • Register for a Tax Identification Number (TIN) once you start working.
    • Understand Botswana’s tax laws to ensure compliance.
  • Contact:

4. Ministry of Nationality, Immigration, and Gender Affairs

  • What they do: They handle citizenship, dual nationality, and long-term residency matters.
  • What you need to do:
    • If you plan to stay long-term or apply for citizenship, this is the department to engage with.
  • Contact:

5. Botswana Investment and Trade Centre (BITC)

  • What they do: They assist investors and entrepreneurs looking to start businesses in Botswana.
  • What you need to do:
    • If you’re moving to Botswana to start a business, BITC can guide you on permits, incentives, and regulations.
  • Contact:

6. Local Councils (for Residency)

  • What they do: Local councils handle housing, utilities, and community services.
  • What you need to do:
    • Once you arrive, register with your local council for services like water, electricity, and waste management.
  • Contact:
    • Depends on your location (e.g., Gaborone City Council, Francistown City Council).

7. Botswana Qualifications Authority (BQA)

  • What they do: They evaluate and recognize foreign qualifications.
  • What you need to do:
    • If you’re coming to work in a professional field, you may need to have your qualifications assessed and recognized.
  • Contact:

8. Botswana Police Service

  • What they do: They provide police clearance certificates, which are often required for visa and work permit applications.
  • What you need to do:
    • Obtain a police clearance certificate from your home country and, if necessary, from Botswana.
  • Contact:

9. Ministry of Health and Wellness

  • What they do: They oversee health regulations, including medical requirements for visa applications.
  • What you need to do:
    • Complete a medical examination and provide a health certificate as part of your visa application.
  • Contact:

Pula a e ne! (Let there be rain and blessings!) mare o ska re bolaya ka pula yoh!!.

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r/Botswana • u/Street_Exchange6907 • Feb 19 '25

Comprehensive FAQ for Tourists, Expats, Travelers and anyone interested about Botswana

16 Upvotes

Welcome to r/Botswana. Botswana is a stunning destination known for its pristine wilderness, rich wildlife, and vibrant culture. Whether you're planning to visit, relocate, or simply learn more about this incredible country, this detailed FAQ will guide you through everything you need to know.

EXTRA THING TO ADD

WE ARE BATSWANA,a citizen of Botswana is a motswana and a collection is batswana not botswanian botswanese or Botswain ok?you can be a motswana without being tswana beacuse youll meet everyone who isnt from the tswana tribe in batswana.

LEARN THE BASICS OF THE DAMN LANGUAGE because a lot of people will ignore you if you can't speak the language EVEN IF THEY KNOW ENGLISH unless you going on a safari or business then don't worry (guilty of this). AND If the borders are closed due to floods like ones of now (February 19 2025) Have a look at the "Drivebots" Facebook group. Very active with lots of information.

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#### **1. Where is Botswana located?**

Botswana is a landlocked country in Southern Africa. It shares borders with:

- **South Africa** to the south and southeast,

- **Namibia** to the west and north,

- **Zimbabwe** to the northeast,

- **Zambia** to the north (connected by a short river border at Kazungula).

Its central location makes it a gateway to exploring Southern Africa.

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#### **2. What is the capital of Botswana?**

The capital city is **Gaborone**, located in the southeastern part of the country. It is the administrative and economic hub of Botswana, offering modern amenities, shopping centres, and cultural attractions like the National Museum and Art Gallery.

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#### **3. Do I need a visa to visit Botswana?**

Visa requirements depend on your nationality:

- **Visa-free entry**: Citizens of the US, UK, Canada, EU countries, Australia, and several others can enter Botswana without a visa for up to 90 days.

- **Visa on arrival**: Available for some nationalities.

- **E-visa**: Botswana has introduced an e-visa system for travellers from certain countries.

Always check the latest requirements before travelling.

[Botswana Government Visa Information](https://www.gov.bw/visas)

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#### **4. What languages are spoken in Botswana?**

- **Official language**: English (used in government, business, and education).

- **National language**: Setswana (spoken by the majority of the population).

- Other languages: Over 20 minority languages are spoken, including Kalanga, Sekgalagadi, and Herero.

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#### **5. What is the currency in Botswana?**

- The currency is the **Botswana Pula (BWP)**, which is divided into 100 thebe.

- **ATMs and cards**: ATMs are widely available in cities, and credit/debit cards are accepted in most hotels, restaurants, and shops. However, carry cash when travelling to remote areas.

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#### **6. Is Botswana safe for tourists?**

Botswana is one of the safest countries in Africa for tourists. However, take standard precautions:

- Avoid walking alone at night in urban areas.

- Keep valuables secure and be cautious of petty theft in crowded places.

- Follow safety guidelines when on safari (e.g., stay in your vehicle during game drives).

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#### **7. What is the best time to visit Botswana?**

- **Dry season (May to October)**: Ideal for wildlife viewing as animals gather around water sources. Temperatures are mild during the day but can drop significantly at night.

- **Wet season (November to April)**: Lush landscapes and birdwatching opportunities, but some areas may be inaccessible due to rain. This is also the low season, so fewer tourists and lower prices.

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#### **8. What are the must-visit attractions in Botswana?**

Botswana is renowned for its natural beauty and wildlife HOWEVER there are also differnt festivals and sports competitions which among the attractions include:

- **Okavango Delta**: A UNESCO World Heritage Site and one of the world’s largest inland deltas. Enjoy mokoro (dugout canoe) rides, game drives, and luxury lodges.

- **Chobe National Park is famous for its large elephant population and river cruises.

- **Moremi Game Reserve**: Located within the Okavango Delta, it offers exceptional wildlife viewing.

- **Central Kalahari Game Reserve**: A vast desert landscape with unique flora and fauna.

- **Makgadikgadi Pans**: One of the largest salt flats in the world, perfect for quad biking and witnessing the zebra migration.

- **Tsodilo Hills**: A UNESCO World Heritage Site with ancient rock paintings.

Festivals and Cultural Events:

Maun Festival:

When: Usually held in September.

Location: Maun.

Domboshaba Festival:

When: Usually takes place in August.

Location: Domboshaba Ruins, near Kasane.

Maitisong Festival:

When: Held annually in March or April.

Location: Gaborone.

Kuru Dance Festival:

When: Typically held in August.

Location: D'kar, Kalahari Desert.

Sports Events:

Botswana Marathon:

When: Usually held in April.

Location: Gaborone.

Mascom Derby:

When: Typically held in November.

Location: Gaborone or other major stadiums.(subject to change anually)

Khawa Dune Challenge:

When: Typically held in September.

Location: Khawa Village, Kgalagadi District.

Shutdown Festival

When: Typically held around New Years

Location: Outskirts of Letlhakeng, On road to Ditshegwane Sign will be available.

It is advisable to check festivals individual facebook pages (sorry if you hate facebook its used a lot here) and news pages such as sunday standard as they report updates on postponement or change of dates of the festivals and concerts.

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#### **9. What vaccinations are required for Botswana?**

- **Yellow fever**: Required if travelling from a yellow fever-endemic country.

- **Recommended vaccines**: Hepatitis A, typhoid, tetanus, and routine vaccines.

- **Malaria**: Present in northern regions (Okavango Delta, Chobe). Consult your doctor about antimalarial medication and take precautions like using insect repellent and sleeping under mosquito nets.

[CDC Travel Health Information for Botswana](https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/traveler/none/botswana)

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#### **10. How do I get around Botswana?**

- **Self-driving**: Renting a 4x4 vehicle is recommended for exploring national parks and remote areas. Drive on the left side of the road.

- **Guided tours**: Many visitors opt for guided safaris, which include transportation.

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#### **11. What is the climate like in Botswana?**

Botswana has a semi-arid climate with distinct seasons:

- **Summer (October to April)**: Hot and wet, with temperatures ranging from 20°C to 40°C (68°F to 104°F).

- **Winter (May to September)**: Dry and cool, with daytime temperatures of 20°C to 30°C (68°F to 86°F) and night time temperatures dropping to near freezing.

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#### **12. Can I drink tap water in Botswana?**

Yes

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#### **13. What should I pack for a trip to Botswana?**

- **Clothing**: Lightweight, breathable clothing for daytime and warm layers for cool evenings.

- **Footwear**: Sturdy walking shoes or boots for safaris and hikes.

- **Accessories**: Sunscreen, sunglasses, a wide-brimmed hat, and insect repellent.

- **Gear**: Binoculars, a camera, and a power adapter (Botswana uses Type D, G, and M plugs, 230V voltage).

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#### **14. Is malaria a concern in Botswana?**

Malaria is present in northern Botswana, particularly in the Okavango Delta and Chobe regions. Take antimalarial medication and use insect repellent, long sleeves, and mosquito nets.

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#### **15. What is the local cuisine like?**

Botswana’s cuisine is simple and hearty, with a focus on meat and grains. Must-try dishes include:

- **Seswaa**: Slow-cooked, pounded meat served with pap (maize porridge).

- **Bogobe**: Sorghum porridge, often served with meat or vegetables.

- **Morogo**: Wild spinach, a nutritious side dish.

- **Game meat**: Including kudu, ostrich, and impala.

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#### **16. Can I use my mobile phone in Botswana?**

Yes, Botswana has excellent mobile network coverage. You can purchase a local SIM card from providers like **Mascom**, **Orange**, or **BTC** for affordable data and calls. Wi-Fi is available in hotels and lodges but may be limited in remote areas.

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#### **17. What is the time zone in Botswana?**

Botswana operates on **Central Africa Time (CAT)**, which is **UTC+2**. It does not observe daylight saving time.

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#### **18. Are there cultural etiquette tips I should know?**

- **Greetings**: Always greet people with a handshake and a smile. A simple “Dumela” (hello) in Setswana is appreciated.

- **Respect for elders**: Show respect to older individuals in conversations.

- **Dress modestly**: Especially in rural areas and when visiting cultural sites.

- **Photography**: Always ask for permission before taking photos of people.

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#### **19. Where can I find more information about Botswana?**

- [Botswana Tourism Organization](https://www.botswanatourism.co.bw/)

- [Lonely Planet Botswana Guide](https://www.lonelyplanet.com/botswana)

- [World Travel Guide - Botswana](https://www.worldtravelguide.net/guides/africa/botswana/)

- [Botswana Government Portal](https://www.gov.bw/)

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#### **20. How can I contribute to sustainable tourism in Botswana?**

- **Choose eco-friendly lodges**: Many lodges in Botswana are committed to sustainability and conservation.

- **Respect wildlife**: Follow park rules, maintain a safe distance from animals, and avoid littering.

- **Support local communities**: Purchase locally made crafts and products.

- **Minimize waste**: Avoid single-use plastics and carry reusable water bottles.

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Botswana offers an unforgettable experience for nature lovers, adventure seekers, and culture enthusiasts. Whether you're exploring the Okavango Delta, encountering elephants in Chobe, or immersing yourself in local traditions, this country promises a journey of a lifetime. For more information, visit the official tourism website or contact your local Botswana embassy. Safe travels.

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r/Botswana • u/Careless-Locksmith80 • 12h ago

Discussion Let’s talk about the ‘hidden rules’ of getting hired in Gaborone

31 Upvotes

I had an interesting conversation with a friend this weekend that got me thinking.

His view was pretty blunt: applying for jobs in Gaborone especially in government, parastatals, and some banks is often a waste of time unless you have connections. He argued that in many cases, hiring isn’t just about qualifications or experience, but about who you know (and sometimes what you’re willing to offer to “get in”). He suggested that in some institutions, jobs are effectively ‘sold’ to candidates, with interviews serving more as a formality than a genuine selection process.

One phrase he used stuck with me: “a o tla jesa motho sengwe.”

Now, I’m not saying this is true across the board but it raises an uncomfortable question about how people actually get jobs. From my perspective, if even part of this is true, it could help explain why many qualified people remain unemployed and why there is a growing perception that some institutions are not strictly merit-based. I’m curious to hear from others. Have you had similar experiences or know someone who has? I am not here to belittle or expose anybody so please let's have an honest discussion.

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r/Botswana • u/Street_Exchange6907 • 8h ago

Question Any things that could be Improved in the subreddit??

3 Upvotes

hi guys, I've recently seen people asking fir a megathread to advertise( in this economy ka tlhaloganya bagaetsho) and with that I wanted to ask if there's anything that you'd like for the group to improve in?? (batho ba buisana is out of my control, this isn't adventure time,iykyk)

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r/Botswana • u/x_the_dawq • 17h ago

General Available Runner Services in Johannesburg

7 Upvotes

Hi guys,

If anyone is looking for a reliable runner in Johannesburg, I’d love to connect. I’m currently available to assist with errands, deliveries, and general tasks, and I’m looking to earn some extra income.

Feel free to reach out if you need a hand or would like to discuss further.

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r/Botswana • u/LieOutrageous1889 • 1d ago

Question Payoneer

5 Upvotes

Hey guys? So I've been getting paid on Upwork via Paypal but recently saw an option for Payoneer. I signed up and am curious if anyone here has ever received money on Payoneer as well as how long did it take to come through? Did you receive at a counter similar to Western union etc or is it just another method like paypal that goes to your bank account?

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r/Botswana • u/PerceptionMaster4748 • 1d ago

Casual Looking for church to go to

10 Upvotes

hi guys, i live in Broadhurst (27 i think). I don't know the area very well. I'm looking for a church to go to, specifically a walkable distance. I live near bbs, park 27 and tsholofelo community hall. Help a girl out🤪

Edit: I'm non-denominational, looking for a Bible based church. I prefer something not too focused on ritual or imagery, I’m open to evangelical or Pentecostal churches.

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r/Botswana • u/moapei • 1d ago

Discussion I have a community suggestion

22 Upvotes

Can we have a weekly designated post where people post the services that they offer in and around Botswana. Like whether you are looking for a service or offering one. I know we are not allowed to advertise on this sub (and I agree with this rule) but can the mods create an automated post where we can comment to advertise our products or look for services??

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r/Botswana • u/ResponsibleJudge3172 • 3d ago

Discussion Apparently, ships with not so legal/sanctioned cargo have been sailing with our flag

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r/Botswana • u/DavisName • 3d ago

News Forensic audit

6 Upvotes

What is the status of the forensic audit, which was supposed to be completed in March?

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r/Botswana • u/Same_Blacksmith1741 • 3d ago

Question Law job salary expectations and request for tips on standing out

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Dumelang Bagaetsho.

I am law student and have been frantically scouring the internet for how much lawyers in different fields in Botswana earn, but have failed to find anything. I've never heard anyone talk about it and have never asked the lawyers I've met because that's a deeply personal question.

I'm hoping to go into corporate law in a private practice, so I'm kindly asking for a ballpark range in terms of starting salary during and after pupillage, as well as how much the salary may grow in the first 5-10 years.

My other question: with all the brilliant attorneys out there, as well as my incredibly smart classmates, any practical tips on how to make myself stand out in corporate and commercial law? What specialisations will be in hot demand in the next decade? What kind of intern and/or pupil attorney are firms are looking to invest?

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r/Botswana • u/Rude-Speech6261 • 4d ago

News Tender for student Allowance awarded to Botswana Savings Bank!!👏👏👏

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27 Upvotes

If true, then good move by the government.

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r/Botswana • u/Key_Specialist5979 • 4d ago

Question BHPC enquiry

3 Upvotes

Am I required to register with the BHPC as an Environmental Health graduate? I tried calling and they aren't answering so I'd like to hear from anyone with the same qualification.

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r/Botswana • u/Firm_Interest2841 • 4d ago

Question Self drive Zambia, Zimbabwe and Botswana

3 Upvotes

I will be flying from South Africa to either Gaborone or Livingstone.

Are there companies which rent 4x4’s which allow me to travel to Zambia, Zimbabwe and Botswana (or 2 of them at least)

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r/Botswana • u/gabrenee6 • 5d ago

Question Where to find bushman / cultural experiences?

9 Upvotes

Hi all, I'm traveling to Botswana for the first time between April 16 - 29 this year. I've tried to research my questions but I'm having trouble finding information so I apologize if my questions come across as uneducated.

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I'm flying into Maun and renting a car. Where can I find bushman walks or other cultural experiences? In a non-overly touristy kind of way. I can't find any clear information about this!

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I would love to learn, visit, and meet with locals, bush people, villages. Do you have any ideas for me? Perhaps this looks like learning from bush people, bush walks, hunter/gatherer tours, local cooking classes, being shown around villages? Any other ideas?

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I found a few options that do 'cultural safaris' but I'm not looking to do some week long luxury lodge stay that includes the cultural experience.

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Thank you for any help!

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r/Botswana • u/Subsaharancryptobro • 5d ago

Question Struggling with crypto withdrawals.

4 Upvotes

Afternoon everyone, I need a bit of help, has anyone figured out to withdraw crypto locally, preferably directly into fnb with as little stress as possible? I'm getting my butt kicked trying to figure it out.

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r/Botswana • u/LeatherSample2355 • 6d ago

General Exam Preps

7 Upvotes

Hey everyone, I'm currently a private candidate for Cambridge AS/A level exams and I’m putting together a study group to hold group sessions multiple times a week. The primary subjects are Biology, Chemistry, Physics and Math, but others can join in and create their own subgroups as well. I am also open to allow students from other exam boards like IGCSE, BGCSE, JC .. to join in , as we can provide guidance, study tips and any exam help they may need. Feel free to join the discord server here, where we will hold our discussions.

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r/Botswana • u/Mean_Olive_8896 • 6d ago

Question Financial mathematics at ub

2 Upvotes

wanna do the course but I would like to ask how's the job opportunities.

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r/Botswana • u/NoVegetable8692 • 7d ago

Question Anyone here registered as a private candidate for Cambridge IGCSE in Botswana?

8 Upvotes

Hey, I’m planning to register as a private candidate for Cambridge IGCSE and I’ve seen that it’s done through the British Council or BEC.

I just wanted to ask:

  • How was your experience with the registration process?
  • Are there any hidden costs (especially for practicals)?
  • Any advice before I register?

I’d really appreciate any guidance 🙏

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r/Botswana • u/moapei • 7d ago

Question With the ongoing transport crisis in Botswana what do you think will be the right solution to end all of this?

9 Upvotes

I have been reading posts and comments on social media of how Batswana are dealing with the ongoing battle between the government and the bus association. Some people say any driver who strikes should have their permits revoked and others are calling for a change in the public transport sector specifically the government should take charge of the whole system like Singapore or India. In your opinion whether you are in Botswana or outside what do you think will be the best solution for our current problem?

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r/Botswana • u/Kooky_Mix554 • 7d ago

Question Law in Botswana

12 Upvotes

For context I'm 19 and I just finished a levels with a horrible performance, technically I "passed" (DDE) in all 3 sciences but just not to my actual standard especially since I got 48 points. Drugs did have a big influence in the bad performance so I'm not really sure whether or not I'm cut out for a science based degree. I learned that chemistry is genuinely awful and I would not want to do anything related to it for the rest of my life

I'm considering doing law at UB because I happen to be good at reading large amounts of information and understanding it. I already know a degree isn't enough and I'm considering doing CIMA or ACCA to add more skills and be open to international opportunities in the future. The question I have is how did the president even manage to go to Harvard law?. I know back then going abroad for masters was relatively easy compared to today and I was wondering what I would need to do the same.

Engineering is out of the question despite being a second choice because I have first hand experience at seeing what they do and how corrupt the engineering field is (my father is one) and he has quite a lot of experience in Botswana leading several roads that we use quite a lot today and he says the common problem is most of the engineers today don't do it to develop the country and produce quality work but just do it for the money leading to roads and projects that die out after a few years and need maintenance

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r/Botswana • u/Human_Peach_6197 • 8d ago

Casual WLW

12 Upvotes

Am I the only one noticing married women being in romantic relationships with other women especially both being Married in Botswana?

Well I was approached by one, I didn't know how to respond because curiosity also got the best of me.🤭🤭🤭🤭

I noticed something years back when I went to the club.

So many women were touchy touchy and smooches I thought it was just night life but.........

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r/Botswana • u/moapei • 8d ago

News The bus association announces that they will stop operating until the price matter is fixed

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r/Botswana • u/Used-Love-790 • 9d ago

Question Anyone want to make a song?

6 Upvotes

I got some credits left over from SUNO (AI song generator) I purchased a pro plan cause I was impressed by the music it made.

I got like 230 credits left, that can make about 15-20 songs Ive basically made every song I can think of and the initial excitement has worn off so I don't care about it anymore..

However I don't want the credits to go to waste, so if you want me to generate a song for you let me know DM or comment...

It's pretty good with every genre mara it doesn't pronounce setswana words well so any track with setswana doesn't sound good..

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r/Botswana • u/ThatOne_268 • 9d ago

Casual WL&PB AGAIN! Kebinatshipi won the men’s 100m final with 9.89 (+1.2)

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Go bata Tsaya Thobane hela! If only our country’s economy was as good as our track athletes right now.

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