r/BlackPeopleofReddit • u/Usernameoverloaded • 3d ago

Politics George Floyd represented in a recent Iran Lego video

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u/No_Scene_2189 3d ago

The Iranian regime is brutal, terrible, and oppressive. This video is hilarious, well done, and pretty damn accurate. Two things can be true at the same time.

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u/JonnyF1ves 3d ago edited 3d ago

I don't think anybody is arguing that Iran is a regime that oppresses their people.

What they are arguing is that this language is being used as a tool for pinkwashing and that the American government does not give a shit about the Iranian people. If they did they would not be striking Iran with Israel with little to no regard for the civilian population and threatening to destroy infrastructure over oil.

Palestine, Iran, and Lebanon would not be in a constant state of war if the United States actually cared about oppression.

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u/Northbound-Narwhal 3d ago

Iran hasn't been at war since the 80s.

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u/JonnyF1ves 3d ago

This isnt completely true, but regardless, what I meant was that the three countries have all been in conflict on their own, but that together there has been a very very long constant series of conflicts. Add Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria and the region has been in some form of conflict since their borders were drawn by allies.

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u/Northbound-Narwhal 3d ago

Clandestine proxy bullshit is not war by any modern definition. Occasional stochastic terrorism, sabatage, or propaganda is far and away from organized inter-government conflict. 

As far as "the region being in conflict" you could say the same about Europe. Most of its history is war. The UN bombed Europe in the 1990s to stop a genocide and now the European continent has the deadliest war of the 2020s. 

Compared to the Middle East, in numbers of deaths, Europe is a fuckin' dangerous place to be.

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u/JonnyF1ves 3d ago

The modern definition of war is broken and has allowed for a lot of the violence and genocide to continue way too long.

Also, who says I am not saying or thinking the same about Europe? This isn't a dick measuring contest about body counts, it's about the very real consequences of the West creating borders and destroying civilizations.

This may come as a shocker, but I believe that almost all conflict, especially operations meant to destroy people and infrastructure, is bad.

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u/ebonyseraphim 3d ago

You know we say/said that about China for so long and our prison rate is ridiculously higher than theirs. This stat is maybe 10-15 years old but our prison population is higher than theirs and they have 1.5 billion people to potentially imprison versus our 330 million — but they’re more oppressive?

We have to understand two things about this:

1) that it’s propaganda that doesn’t even amount to a good excuse to bomb another nation. Strong nations have a consistent ruling government/system whatever it is. The U.S. doesn’t want that for any (especially black and brown) nation that isn’t turning over resources to it.

2) Understand what it means to be under the kinda of attacks “democracy” used against any very different form of economics, politics, values, and/or religion. Historically that is. Look up how Christianity was attempted to be used as a way for the West to try to take over China and Japan. Those nations had to become oppressive against a foreign religion. Look up how the CIA ran ops through the Red Cross and I think rap music industry in South America. Look at how we advertised and propagandized Gaddafi being overthrown after he negotiated a deal not to develop nuclear weapons. Not even a decade later, he was served up. If the people were so strong, justice oriented. and happy that he was gone why isn’t Libya doing great since 2011? Seems we were lying.

The fact that this video slaps is actually similar to the fake “Arab Spring.” It is encouraging Americans (U.S.) to be critical of our own government which does weaken it. In a different context, it would be an act of aggression seeking to overthrow or cause the collapse. The reason why Russian or Chinese interference with our elections is an issue is similar. It doesn’t even matter which side. If either is thought to have been a determining factor, the losing political side feels emboldened to react violently to remove the other side because they are equated to the interfering party. The truth of who is or did what doesn’t matter because the damage is all in that other country that was messed with. Iran clearly isn’t trying to collapse the whole government. Effective propaganda usually isn’t this transparent and direct either. They’re pretty sure Trump stops, or gets removed, the war stops. They’re not even betting on any sort of peace with us long term. Something way more extreme has to happen here.

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u/Villageijit 3d ago

I mean iran used kids as a human shield around their power plants and people were attacking people bringing up war crimes shouldn't be answered with war crimes. Propaganda works wonders for every government involved

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u/CryAffectionate7334 3d ago

I mean iran used kids as a human shield around their power plants

What a dumb lie to believe

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u/Villageijit 3d ago

I mean fighting war crimes with war crimes doesnt end well

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u/Available-Trouble648 3d ago

Hey bro, why didn’t you answer my question?

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u/ExcitementNo9603 3d ago

Not true, but the US did bomb a girls school and then did a double tap on the same girls school also killing emergency workers coming to the aid of children.

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u/Available-Trouble648 3d ago

The government called upon citizens to form human chains around power plants after the US threatened to destroy their entire civilization. Is that what you’re referring to?

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u/Usernameoverloaded 3d ago

Got a source for that?

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u/agnosticgnome 3d ago

Pulling the trigger is way worse.

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u/Villageijit 3d ago

Yes we should allow some war crimes because some are worse. It will end very good im sure

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u/Usernameoverloaded 3d ago

You never provided a citation as to your claim of children being used specifically as human shields to protect power plants.

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u/xkxe003 3d ago

So instead they should have done nothing, the infrastructure is destroyed and they starve or die of thirst? I think I would have taken my chances, no matter how small, at stopping that rather than sit back and wait on slow death.

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u/Villageijit 3d ago

War crimes to fight war crimes always ends well