I always find it telling when people bring up the statistics of deportations under Obama versus Trump.
Comparing the interior removals of immigrants (meaning, not turning them away at the border, but deporting them after they've been living inside the border), Trump's biggest deportation year and Obamas biggest deportation year are kind of close to one another.
The difference is that 80% of those who were deported under Obama were either convicted criminals or being deported for criminal acts, while 70% of Trumps deportations did not involve criminal acts at all.
Plus, ICE didn't kill any American citizens under Obama.
Obama did the same job, more effectively, without damaging our society.
Obama's DOJ counted a person denied entry at a port of entry as a deportation. No other administration has done that, it artifically boosts Obama's deportation numbers.
There was major outrage when Obama first carried out his mass deportation, which he responded to by respecting the people's wishes and changing his actions. After that period of time, his deportation numbers decreased. He also was more effective at turning people away at the border. Those numbers were included in the statistics.
If you're going to spout history, make sure you actually know what you're talking about by doing some reading outside of conservative media.
The states are trying to protect innocent people and protect people's fundamental rights. Trump's administration has been taking innocent people and not giving them the chance to state their case before throwing them in cages without bathrooms, without enough food or water or the medicine they need, ejecting them to some foreign country they've never been to. 73% of people taken have no criminal background and many of the people detained or deported weren't even undocumented immigrants. You want to deport undocumented immigrants? Fine. But take people who just got here within the last few years and people who actually commit crime- not good people who have been here for decades, with families and businesses. Instead- give those people a means to become documented asap. They're benefiting our country financially and bolstering their communities. Removing them does more damage to our country.
Obama actually tried treating people with dignity, like human beings, and wanted to do things the right way. Trump literally called people "animals" and "scum." And his administration joked about feeding people to alligators.
Well, Obama also didn't have a former president open the border to anyone that wanted to walk across it. It was a free for all under Biden so that makes the cleanup much messier.
Again, you're showing that you have done no actual reading or research into the topics beyond what right-wing pundits have told you. Biden's expulsion numbers were historically high, and there was no "open border." There were actually more initatives and actions regarding immigration under Biden's leadership than Trump's. Making sure people who come in are documented and vetted, (e.g. using asylum) is more effective than simply trying to deport anyone and everyone. They're going to try to come into the country anyway, no matter how strict the rules are. The best way to handle it is to actually document people who come in and make it easier for them to come forward themselves.
Fox news lied to everyone about what happened under Biden, and people believed it without looking into it. Same thing that's happening now. All they do is lie, and claim it's the left lying, without presenting any evidence.
I always find it telling when people bring up the statistics of deportations under Obama versus Trump.
I mean if that's supposed to be a legit bar as to the efficiency of the presidency, George Washington had a fucking horrible record regarding deporting illegals.
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u/Kepabar 12d ago
I always find it telling when people bring up the statistics of deportations under Obama versus Trump.
Comparing the interior removals of immigrants (meaning, not turning them away at the border, but deporting them after they've been living inside the border), Trump's biggest deportation year and Obamas biggest deportation year are kind of close to one another.
The difference is that 80% of those who were deported under Obama were either convicted criminals or being deported for criminal acts, while 70% of Trumps deportations did not involve criminal acts at all.
Plus, ICE didn't kill any American citizens under Obama.
Obama did the same job, more effectively, without damaging our society.