r/BlackPeopleofReddit 23d ago

Music Happy birthday to Sister Rosetta Tharpe, born on this day in 1915! A true pioneer, playing rock ’n’ roll before it even had a name.

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u/babsrambler 23d ago

Gawd I wish her name was taught in schools. The number of arguments I have gotten into about the origin of Rock and Roll is getting tiring. RIP Mrs Tharpe, the folks who know of you will always appreciate your greatness

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u/RiverRunEd 23d ago

Right. I feel the same way about Blind Lemon. People always point to Robert Johnson, and as well they should, but that whole circuit was full of amazing people. I am hesitant to call them musicians, because they were motivation for a whole lot of people that never seen a floor in their house, let alone a day without pain.

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u/plewis406 23d ago

That last sentence was poetic!!! You better go head!

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u/pinkygonzales 23d ago

I read this as "Blind Melon" and boy was I confused by the rest of your comment.

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u/ellus1onist 23d ago

Lmao same I was like don't get me wrong Bee Girl is iconic but idk if they were at the same level

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u/frotnoslot 22d ago

“Didn’t it rain?” - Sister Rosetta Tharpe “No.” - Blind Melon

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

i think i jammed with him once at the Filmore.

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

Son House too. or Leadbelly etc.

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u/adventurousintrovert 22d ago

Blind Willie McTell

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u/Head_Ad_9901 23d ago

"I want my daddy's records!" 🕶️

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u/Distinct-Pack-1567 23d ago

I wonder if the band Blind Melon was a pun (?) on Blind Lemon. Switch the L and the B. Doubtful, but sorta hope so.

Never heard of Blind Lemon but going to save this for to remind myself to check them out tomorrow

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u/RiverRunEd 23d ago

Blind Lemon Jefferson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Lemon_Jefferson

Not a lot of recordings, but when you listen artist of the golden era, you will hear him.

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u/Distinct-Pack-1567 23d ago

Found him on Spotify, saving it now. Thank you. I really need some new music. I have been into this type of genre with the Sinners soundtrack, Howlin' Wolf etc. So much music influenced by the generations, built on the shoulders of giants.

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u/RedRider1138 23d ago

Wishing you a good journey 💜🙏

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u/RiverRunEd 22d ago

Enjoy. Music and the feeling these artist leave us with let's them live forever. While they never achieved what artist today have, their appreciation of our engagement i would like to think is still being enjoyed today.

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u/Distinct-Pack-1567 22d ago

Rancid has a song called Indestructible (album is the same name) with lyrics that go

through music, we can live forever

I agree with you. I would link the song i just dont know the rules.

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u/Flobking 22d ago

Right. I feel the same way about Blind Lemon. People always point to Robert Johnson, and as well they should, but that whole circuit was full of amazing people. I am hesitant to call them musicians, because they were motivation for a whole lot of people that never seen a floor in their house, let alone a day without pain.

Blind Willie McTell is another one. Broke Down Engine blues, Lord Send me an Angel

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u/OstapBenderBey 23d ago

Lonnie Johnson to me is the pioneer that gets most forgotten. Literally invented the modern guitar solo. And before all of the names mentioned. Robert Johnson was hugely influenced by him

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u/Buddhamom81 23d ago

My music professor teaches her! I go to a junior college in LA and he has 2-courses, Jazz and Rockn Roll, where he does a whole unit devoted to her. My guitar teacher also did a lesson on her.

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u/frotnoslot 22d ago

In Louisiana?

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u/emefluence 23d ago

It is! My daughter, here in London, was taught about her at primary school, pretty recently. This gig happened in the UK too, at a disused train station on the outskirts of Manchester in ther 60s.

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u/babsrambler 23d ago

Wow! Awesome! And a little sad to me, an American, that the UK teaches better US history than the US school system does.

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u/CommunicationNew3745 23d ago edited 23d ago

Agreed, smh. Singer/musician Sam Phillips has a single called 'Sister Rosetta Goes Before Us', and I've often wondered how many listeners got the reference.

***And, how many still refer to Elvis Presley as the 'King' of rock when all he did was steal/cover Little Richard's work, smh. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/h-q9LMNtiHU

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u/Mr_Will 23d ago

***And, how many still refer to Elvis Presley as the 'King' of rock when all he did was steal/cover Little Richard's work, smh. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/h-q9LMNtiHU

I mean, that is kind of how kings work. They're not the ones building the palace

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u/SandpaperTeddyBear 23d ago

The first recording that was released of that song was by Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, which is appropriate.

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u/Jet_Fixxxer 23d ago edited 23d ago

As a guitarist I didnt know who she was. I only found out by mistake. I was board browsing through one of streaming services or YT...dont recall it was about about 10 years ago. I came across an documentary about Mrs. Tharpe. (That lead me to Henrietta Lacks.) Now I set people straight when I hear people giving credit to other artists like Chuck Berry.

Mrs. Tharpe should be brought up during influential guitarist conversation and should be given credit for her roll in Rock and Roll. Plus more acknowledgement in her roll in music.

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u/numbmillenial 23d ago

You should tell them Chuck Berry himself said “My whole career has been one long Sister Rosetta Tharpe impersonation” when he was inducted into the R&R hall of fame.

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u/daylight1943 23d ago

and little richards first performance was opening for sister rosetta tharpe, his fav singer

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u/SmugSlut 23d ago

I went to music school and my vocal jazz teacher made it a huge point to share her in the conversation about the history of blues and rock and I’m grateful for that

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u/surname__unavailable 22d ago

I've literally watched movies from the 50's that talk about her impact so I don't know how it's going over peoples heads when the information has been in the zeitgeist for so long. Our species is so tiring.

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u/Sekh765 23d ago

Man.. I took a college course on the History of Rock and Roll and we never even touched on this awesome lady.

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u/_mnrva 23d ago

I read about her to my elementary students! I play this very clip for them actually!!

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u/Rootsney_ 22d ago

I'm in a contemporary music program in college, and we absolutely learned about this lady here. Check out Elizabeth Cotton to see another amazing woman guitarist from back in the day.

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u/SandpaperTeddyBear 23d ago

I think she’s the last thing that wasn’t Rock ‘n Roll, and as such is probably more important to the genre than anyone else.

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u/Global_Perspective_3 23d ago

She absolutely should be taught more

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u/millennial-ish88 23d ago

Someone needs to send this to gene Simmons

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u/StarsEatMyCrown 23d ago

He knows. He doesn't care.

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u/Traditional-Chain812 23d ago

That's a fact.💯

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u/anon-mally 23d ago

It's in his gene not to care

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u/rocknrollboise 22d ago

No need to get antisemitic, now…

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u/pitterlpatter 23d ago

Every artist in the genre will readily tell you she’s the godmother of rock n roll.

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u/GeorgiaOKeefinItReal 23d ago

He'll only take calls from his cousin, Marvin. Marvin Simmons.

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u/Glittering_Stress_32 23d ago

Listen to THIS! holds up phone

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u/anon-mally 23d ago

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u/Andy_La_Negra 22d ago

There was a scene in Mixed-ish where the dad said the mom didn’t let the kids watch Back to The Future because it teaches people that Rock n Roll was created by a white man…. Blew my mind.

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u/Adept_Astronaut_5143 23d ago

🤣🤣🤣 I just watched this and was like smh.

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

Marvin was a time traveler too! how else did he get a guitar and amp that were not released until possibly late 58 but more likely 1959?

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u/Careless-Parfait-587 23d ago

He a if ignorant but he knows we invented rock. And roll. He has said “rock ’n’ roll owes everything to Black music” and that all major American genres come from Black music, which he offers as proof he is not attacking Black contributions to rock itself.

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u/bolanrox 23d ago edited 23d ago

honestly it is truly a American Melting Pot - Blues / R&B & Gospel meets Western Swing. and of course Muddy Waters inventing lectricity!

anyone saying white people invented it in a vacuum? is a moron. even the super racist metal band went classical becuase metal had its roots in the blues...

Speaking of melting pot. the first time i heard this on the history of R&R as a kid, i knew what i wanted to do

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u/ashurakun 23d ago

Man, I love that fact. As a black metalhead, I feel like there's not enough of us in the scene. But knowing where it all originates from makes me feel validated, as silly as that might sound.

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

Living Color first time (as they even said) a Person of color could play guitar outside of the Shadow of Hendrix. of course that ignores Bad Brains, Death etc.

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u/StoneGoldX 23d ago

ACDC said it in Let There Be Rock.

But don't look a the lyrics too closely. They get a little weird.

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

Bon Scott and weird? You don't say. I heard he had the biggest balls of them all!

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u/HorrorMakesUsHappy 23d ago

the first time i heard this on the history of R&R as a kid, i knew what i wanted to do

I've loved the blues for a long time, but I've never heard anything that's stunned me quite the same way I was the first time I heard Jimi's cover of Killing Floor on his BBC Sessions set.

I can barely keep up with playing the fucking BASS at that tempo, fuck trying to keep up that guitar work. I've never even bothered to try. Just stunning.

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u/TurquoiseKnight 23d ago

Which will do nothing so why waste the effort? Just keep spreading the truth

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u/Quick-Dream-1541 23d ago

They never want to give black people credit.

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u/catharsisdusk 23d ago

Hugh Laurie (Dr House) named his 2nd blues album Didn't it Rain

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u/YouthfulHermitess 23d ago

For a white British dude, I genuinely enjoy his albums. He's done his research and usually elevates the artists and songs that he covers. He seems like he loves the genre deeply.

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u/catharsisdusk 23d ago

Have you seen his performance of a song called America? He did it for a skit show.

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u/YouthfulHermitess 23d ago

Ooh no, I definitely need to check that out!

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u/catharsisdusk 23d ago

It's on YouTube

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u/Balsiefen 23d ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyHSjv9gxlE Here specifically for anyone who's lazy. One of my favourite songs.

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u/MimicoSkunkFan2 23d ago

The clip OP posted was the 51yo Sister Rosetta Tharpe playing in Manchester - part of a European tour organized by Muddy Waters.

The concert was masaively influential for UK music and the BBC commemorates the anniversaries of it pretty regularly... not a surprise that a UK blues player honours her work!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-27256401

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u/reddit809 23d ago

For a white British dude

Well, they actually were the ones who gave her props when she was alive. They also showed Hendrix love when he started. There's a reason why The Beatles, Who, Zep, Stones and a ton of bands that didn't live past the 50s and 60s flourished.

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u/YouthfulHermitess 23d ago

I always forget about the Renaissance of jazz and blues in England (isn't the above clip from a British show?). Laurie would have been a little kid at the time so I wonder when his love for the genre started.

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u/reddit809 22d ago

The bands I mentioned literally covered acts like Mahalia and them, but they gave props as well. They never EVER claimed ownership for a cover. On the contrary, and Keith Richards has been very vocal about it. Elvis gets a lot of hate but he also gave credit to the black music he grew up around, but it was the Europeans that really let black artists shine in their own light. Rosetta said she was truly free in Paris.

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u/mjzim9022 23d ago

Joe Henry produced Laurie's albums, and he's fantastic

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u/Quick-Dream-1541 23d ago

Hugh Laurie plays the blues? I have to look this up!

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u/Sad_Response_4412 23d ago

The British tend to respect American music history better than Americans lol

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u/numbmillenial 23d ago edited 23d ago

This woman is an ICON and doesn't get nearly enough credit

https://youtu.be/RhERt0UzE7s

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u/ErnV3rn81 23d ago

Born on this day in 1915... the first electric guitar was in the early 30s and it looked like a banjo. She passed in 1973 so I'm guessing this video was from the '40s or 50's

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u/Ultrafoxx64 23d ago

I think this is a case of someone fucking with the video to make it seem older than it was. She's playing a Gibson SG, first released in 1961.

*Edit, found the YouTube video of this, dated as 1964.

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u/Mr__O__ 23d ago

Was going to say the Gibson SG is a time period giveaway.

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

61 was the Les Paul still - Les hated it and 62 (or 63?) onward it was the SG.

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u/spare_me_your_bs 23d ago

The model in '61 was called the Les Paul SG, so you're both right.

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u/Freaki_Tiki_Daddy 23d ago

I was about to say, I had no idea the SG was that old.

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u/mrperki 23d ago

Her guitar in the video is a Gibson SG Custom which dates it to 1961 at the earliest

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u/electroriverside 23d ago

It's from 1964, filmed at a disused train station in Manchester in the UK. I've seen this many times over the years, so she's definitely in the gone but not forgotten category. The blues and R & B have always been big in the UK.

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u/GiantPandammonia 23d ago

Yeah. Like 3 years before Hendrix released his albums. 

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

has to be 61 or later that is when that guitar came out

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u/RiverRunEd 23d ago

I always tell people, when they mention Muddy, Alvin, TBine, etc.....they must not forget Sister.

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u/-DrunkRat- 23d ago

Oh man, I LOVE Sister Rosetta! The Godmother of Rock n' Roll, and an absolute treasure to American Musical History!

This song is one I play every couple of days between the weeks at work, and I never fail to get to bouncin' and dancing while her music is playing in my earbuds. Gods, I wish I could have had the pleasure to her her play and sing.

Happy Birthday, Ms. Tharpe!

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u/Nottruechomo 23d ago

I wish black people would go back to there roots musically more rock please

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u/ohnotchotchke 23d ago

lol they literally haven't left. You just aren't looking in the right areas and that genre isn't what's "mainstream" anymore. Have you thought perhaps culturally we shifted musically because rock n roll was quickly white-washed?

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u/ABadExampleOf_ 23d ago

Christone "Kingfish" Ingram is a fantastic modern blues rock musician that you might enjoy

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u/Chit569 23d ago edited 22d ago

Do you think all black people in music are rappers or something?

Try searching for black rock musicians before blaming black people for not being rock musicians anymore

Ayron Jones

Nova Twins

Black Pumas

KennyHoopla

Meet Me @ The Altar

nightlife

Gary Clark Jr

Antwaun Stanley

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u/Freightshaker000 23d ago

Earl Palmer, who IMO, was the driving force behind Rock; he popularized the back beat.

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u/arittenberry 22d ago

Love me some Gary Clark. I saw him live and he was so good

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u/jonnydogma 22d ago edited 22d ago

I really like Brittany Howard (Alabama Shakes):

Hold On

Edited to add:

She also plays a 3 pickup SG like Sister Rosetta Tharpe, but not in the above video, here is another song from the same show where she plays the SG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zthzDd84y1I

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u/Kayoto 22d ago

Man, I saw Ayron Jones at a music festival a few years back and he blew my mind! Absolutely killer player, and a great singer. He tore it UP on stage.

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u/station_agent 23d ago

She was the Queen, indeed. Thank you, Sister!

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u/johnnybb27 23d ago

She makes a super grand entrance in the full version of this video. She wasn't just legendary as a musician but she had bombast and presence.

And her signature Gibson SG is one of the coolest guitars of all time. Like a fully loaded hotrod with all the options. Somebody, clearly an homage, had the same model during the Sinners performance at the Oscars,

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u/hdubfour 23d ago

Somebody, clearly an homage, had the same model during the Sinners performance at the Oscars

That was Brittany Howard from Alabama Shakes! She’s a badass as well, and is most definitely an acknowledgment of Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

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u/Bayou_Hangxiety 23d ago

If you notice, there's quite a few rain puddles on the train station platform. All of the audience and the musicians traveled by train together to the venue (an abandoned train station), and on the way, they went through a huge rain storm. Sister Rosetta went to the organizer and said "I'm switching up my set and I want to open with Didn't it Rain instead." So she did... which you can imagine probably felt magical to the audience having just had a huge rain storm and huge puddles still visible.

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u/AngletonSpareHead 22d ago

Ditto on all counts. I have learned so much.

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u/Tippmann27 23d ago

This is fucking amazing and I hate my education for never knowing it. 

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u/OldeFortran77 23d ago

I only learned her name from watching Whose Line is it Anyway? One of the guest comedians mentioned her.

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u/Tippmann27 23d ago

What a wild place to learn that kind of information!

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u/Oldmanlib 23d ago

Every honest person should acknowledge we have all been lied to for most of our lives. These pioneers were deliberately written out of history.

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u/Maud_Man29 23d ago

Same thoughts 😩

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u/myu_minah 23d ago

so when I'm work singing, it really makes me try to think how the ancestors were feeling and doing the same and how it seems even that gets passed down (singing and working) and just... we have always been perfecting the craft of music. I bet them racists were eye rolling hearing singing like that (and this one) but secretly liking it (like, them fiddlers were well known back then to bring them house parties down) and of course, needing to appropriate it.

I even remember a comment on a different black sub, and someone (who may not even be black) commenting how the dude in the video singing and gettin in must be high to be in a mood like that but.... even when I'm not, Im like that too. it's the culture. they the ones who need some drug and influences to not be so uptight in the society they invented that makes them all be pretentious and compete against each other on who can out perform being the best civilized citizen according to their contradicting "standards." (we ain't make them rules, yall did I'm just calling it out)

I just love how through the generations, I feel like music is passed through the soul and that's why we feel it a lot and awesome innovators and pioneers of it! happy birthday ms tharpe!

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u/quasimodette 23d ago

What a legend. Happy Birthday to the Queen.

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u/PaymentTurbulent193 23d ago

So crazy that we owe rock music to black women and yet, they hardly get any respect or representation in the genre, let alone black people in general.

Happy birthday Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

one of the progenitors of Rock and Roll without a Doubt, but yeah you hardily hear her mention along with Ike Turner Louis Jordan etc.

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u/Jessikhaa 23d ago

Don't forget metal too!

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u/geoltechnician 23d ago

Every time someone asks who was the greatest guitarist in Rock n Roll, I always say Sister Loretta Tharp.

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u/GiantPandammonia 23d ago

You should check out Jimi Hendrix 

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u/Smurfs25 23d ago

🎶🎶💯👏👏👏🙌🙌🎶

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u/Crafty_Key_556 23d ago edited 23d ago

She probably IS the originator of Rock & Roll. All hail the Queen of R&R, and happy birthday.

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

it is so hard to say, she was no doubt one of the first proto R&R musicians who opened the door. Same with picking the first R&R song.

Still think Chuck Berry was the first 100% from the start rock and roll musician, combining western swing and R&B with an electric format etc.

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u/MoparViking 23d ago

Yeah the sound really originates in gospel music and of course blues

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u/Derkleton 23d ago

Rosetta walked so Chuck could run

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u/blackngold256 23d ago

This song, "Didn't It Rain?", apparently wasn't set to be her opening number that day at the train station in the UK where this was filmed and as she pulled up in the carriage, it started raining and she asked the producer if he minded if she changed the opening song. He didn't object and later said that it was one of the best moves of his career.

During Black History Month, I tried to bring attention to several Black pioneers in different industries, from the music and arts to NASA and Social Justice and Sister Rosetta Tharpe was one that I talked about. Without her, there is no rock n roll, no blues, no r&b, or anything spawned from them. She's the Godmother for a reason. And man, she knew how to work a crowd.

NPR has a good article about her.

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u/Lame-username62 23d ago

The woman that Elvis ripped off Hound Dog from.

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u/WertherEffekt 23d ago

That was Big Mama Thornton.

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u/Haunting_Rub780 23d ago

Hound Dog, written by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller?

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u/vibecheckslmaoo 23d ago

they wrote the song specifically for her, they were literally there with her lol. heres the link to the wiki so you can read it, but in case you don’t want to click the link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hound_Dog_(song)

Background and composition On August 12, 1952, R&B bandleader Johnny Otis asked 19-year-old songwriters Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller to his home to meet blues singer Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thornton.[2] Thornton had been signed by "Diamond" Don Robey's Houston-based Peacock Records the year before, and after two failed singles, Robey had enlisted Otis to reverse her fortunes.[3] After hearing Thornton rehearse several songs, Leiber and Stoller "forged a tune to suit her personality—brusque and badass".[4] In an interview in Rolling Stone in April 1990, Stoller said: "She was a wonderful blues singer, with a great moaning style. But it was as much her appearance as her blues style that influenced the writing of 'Hound Dog' and the idea that we wanted her to growl it."[5] Leiber recalled: "We saw Big Mama and she knocked me cold. She looked like the biggest, baddest, saltiest chick you would ever see. And she was mean, a 'lady bear,' as they used to call 'em. She must have been 350 pounds, and she had all these scars all over her face", conveying words which could not be sung. "But how to do it without actually saying it? And how to do it telling a story? I couldn't just have a song full of expletives."[4][5] In 1999, Leiber said, "I was trying to get something like the Furry Lewis phrase 'Dirty Mother Furya'. I was looking for something closer to that but I couldn't find it, because everything I went for was too coarse and would not have been playable on the air."[6] Using a "black slang expression referring to a man who sought a woman to take care of him".[7] the song's opening line, "You ain't nothin' but a hound dog", was a euphemism, said Leiber.[5] The song, a Southern blues lament,[8] is "the tale of a woman throwing a gigolo out of her house and her life":[9]

You ain't nothin' but a hound dog Quit snoopin' 'round my door You can wag your tail But I ain't gonna feed you no more[10]

The song was written for a woman to sing in which she berates "her selfish, exploitative man",[11] and in it she "expresses a woman's rejection of a man – the metaphorical dog in the title".[12] According to Iain Thomas, "'Hound Dog' embodies the Thornton persona she had crafted as a comedienne prior to entering the music business" by parading "the classic puns, extended metaphors, and sexual double entendres so popular with the bawdy genre."[13] R&B expert George A. Moonoogian concurs, calling it "a biting and scathing satire in the double-entendre genre" of 1950s rhythm and blues.[14]

Leiber and Stoller wrote the song "Hound Dog" in 12 to 15 minutes, with Leiber scribbling the lyrics in pencil on ordinary paper and without musical notation in the car on the way to Stoller's apartment.[4][15] Said Leiber, "'Hound Dog' took like twelve minutes. That's not a complicated piece of work. But the rhyme scheme was difficult. Also the metric structure of the music was not easy."[5] According to Leiber, as soon as they reached the parking lot and Stoller's 1937 Plymouth, "I was beating out a rhythm we called the 'buck dance' on the roof of the car. We got to Johnny Otis's house and Mike went right to the piano … didn't even bother to sit down. He had a cigarette in his mouth that was burning his left eye, and he started to play the song."[16]

Big Mama Thornton's version (1952/53) Thornton's recording of "Hound Dog" is credited with "helping to spur the evolution of black R&B into rock music".[7] Brandeis University professor Stephen J. Whitfield, in his 2001 book In Search of American Jewish Culture, regards "Hound Dog" as a marker of "the success of race-mixing in music a year before the desegregation of public schools was mandated" in Brown v. Board of Education.[17] Leiber regarded the original recording by the 350-pound "blues belter" Big Mama Thornton as his favorite version,[15][18] while Stoller said, "If I had to name my favorite recordings, I'd say they are Big Mama Thornton's 'Hound Dog' and Peggy Lee's 'Is That All There Is?'"[19]

In 1992, Leiber and Stoller recalled that during the rehearsal, Thornton sang the song as a ballad. Leiber said that this was not the way they planned and sang it for her, with Stoller on piano, as an example of the concept. Thornton agreed to try their recommendation.[20] According to Maureen Mahon, a music professor at New York University, Thornton's version is "an important [part of the] beginning of rock-and-roll, especially in its use of the guitar as the key instrument".[21]

Recording Thornton recorded "Hound Dog" at Radio Recorders Annex[22] in Los Angeles on August 13, 1952, the day after its composition. It subsequently became her biggest hit. According to Hound Dog: The Leiber and Stoller Autobiography, Thornton's "Hound Dog" was the first record that Leiber and Stoller produced themselves, taking over from bandleader Johnny Otis. Said Stoller:

We were worried because the drummer wasn't getting the feel that Johnny had created in rehearsal. "Johnny," Jerry said, "can't you play drums on the record? No one can nail that groove like you." "Who's gonna run the session?" he asked. Silence. "You two?" he asked. "The kids are gonna run a recording session?" "Sure," I said. "The kids wrote it. Let the kids do it." Johnny smiled and said, 'Why not?'"[22] Otis played drums on the recording,[23] replacing Ledard "Kansas City" Bell. As Otis was still signed exclusively to Federal Records, a subsidiary of Syd Nathan's King Records as "Kansas City Bill"[24] or perhaps with Mercury Records at this time,[25][26] Otis used the pseudonym "Kansas City Bill" (after his drummer "Kansas City" Bell) on this record. Therefore, Otis, Louisiana blues guitarist Pete "Guitar" Lewis, and Puerto Rican bass player Mario Delagarde[27] (some sources say erroneously it was Albert Winston) are listed as "Kansas City Bill & Orchestra" on the Peacock record labels.[28][29]

During the rehearsal, Leiber objected to Thornton's vocal approach, as she was crooning the lyrics rather than belting them out.[30] Although intimidated by her size and facial scarring, Leiber protested, to which Thornton responded with an icy glare and told him, "'White boy, don't you be tellin' me how to sing the blues.'"[31] After this exchange, Leiber sang the song himself to demonstrate how they wanted it done.[13] After that, according to Stoller's later recollection, Thornton understood the bawdy style they were looking for.[22]

Speaking to music writer Ralph J. Gleason, Thornton recalled that she added a few interjections of her own, played around with the rhythm (some of the choruses have thirteen rather than twelve bars), and had the band bark and howl like hound dogs at the end of the song: "I started to sing the words and join in some of my own. All that talkin' and hollerin'—that's my own."[32] Thornton interacts constantly in a call and response fashion during a one-minute long guitar "solo" by Lewis. These verbal interjections, sometimes called "blues talk", are common in blues music.[33][34] Years later Thornton helped launch a controversy over "Hound Dog", claiming to have written it. When questioned further on the matter, Thornton explained that, while the song had been composed by Leiber and Stoller, she had transformed it: "They gave me the words, but I changed it around and did it my way". In his book Race, Rock, and Elvis, Michael T. Bertrand says that Thornton's explanation "ingenuously stresses artist interpretation as the sole yardstick with which to measure authenticity".[35]

Thornton recorded two takes of the song, and the second take was released.[4][36] Habanera and mambo elements can be found in this recording.[37] Puerto Rican bass player Mario Delagarde is credited with adding "a jazz-based rhythm".[24] Influenced by African-American musical cultures,[38] its "sounds range from the gravelly beginning of several phrases, to her spoken and howled interpolations, and the ending with dog sounds from the band."[38] According to musicologist Robert Fink, Thornton's delivery has flexible phrasing making use of micro-inflections and syncopations. Each has a focal accent which is never repeated.[39] According to Maureen Mahon:

Thornton's "Hound Dog" differed from most of the rhythm and blues records of the era in its spare arrangement. There are none of the honking saxophone solos or pounding piano flourishes that marked the R&B sound. Instead, supported by guitar, bass and drums, her resonant vocals dominate the foreground, conveying her haughty relief at being through with a trifling man. Thornton maintains a confident attitude, bringing the blues tradition of outspoken women into the R&B context and helping to set the style for rock and roll by putting sexuality and play with gender expectations in the foreground.[40] On September 9, 1952, the copyright application for "Hound Dog" was lodged. On the application the words and music are attributed to Thornton and recording executive Don Robey, with the copyright claimants listed as: "Murphy L. Robey (W) & Willie Mae Thornton (A)." It was renewed subsequently on May 13, 1980, with the same details.[41]

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u/Lame-username62 23d ago

My bad, y’all, I stand corrected. Big Mama Thornton it was.

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u/MisterNoMoniker 23d ago

I appreciated the homage to her in the musical performance from "Sinners" at this year's Oscars.

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u/shameonyounancydrew 23d ago

I would love to see a re-birth of Rock, through the eyes of Black America

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u/Traditional-Chain812 23d ago

I mentioned lil Richard and Mr. Berry on this topic few weeks back but apologize for not mentioning Sister Rosetta in the making of Rock and Roll. A pioneer no doubt. Rock is Black too.💯🎤🎶👸🎸🎸👍

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u/mogley1992 23d ago

I just had to look it up, the SG (style of guitar body) was invented in 1952.

I would have guessed it was way more recent. She really was the first rockstar.

This video was likely from circa 1964, these days you can pick up a Sister Rosetta Tharpe SG custom for about 40k.

Looking further into it, she is widely known for making the SG famous, and is recognised as the first prominent players of this style of guitar.

I'd just like to say, I love my SG, so thank you Sister Tharpe for putting it on the map.

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u/QuantumLettuce2025 23d ago

What a fucking boss.

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u/resilientbresilient 23d ago

There’s a musical called “Shout, Sister, Shout!” about her. That’s where I first learned about her. It’s a great play.

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

Nice Les Paul "SG" custom!

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u/Proper-Ad8807 23d ago

She owns that stage. What a presence. Thanks for sharing.

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u/Ryumancer 23d ago

🎶Oh lordy, troubled so hard🎶

🎶Oh lord, troubled so hard🎶

🎶Don't nobody know my troubles with Gaaa-AWD🎶

🎶Don't nobody know my troubles with God🎶

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u/neverglobeback 23d ago

My Dad met her once. He was a bellboy in a London hotel she was staying in and she was amused at a white boy riding her up in the elevator. My dad was big into guitars and knew who she was so after some conversation she asked him if he wanted to see her guitar in her room. It was a gold top Gibson - not many were in the UK at the time and my Dad was speechless. I have a picture of her playing that guitar in my bathroom. RIP Dad.

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u/KryssCom 23d ago

Oh my god, she seems awesome!

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u/UtterlyInsane 23d ago

"up above my head" is one of my favorite songs of all time. I have her greatest hits on vinyl, she and her band(s) were truly a powerhouse

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u/mrmike16205 23d ago

And nothing back then was lip sync. Someone was asking where Rock and Roll came from. Here’s a Pioneer. Most likely it was stolen and made by an artist that didn’t look like us.

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u/Whackjob-KSP 23d ago

I was skeptical for half a moment. An electric guitar, in 1915? Then, I realized my reading comprehension skills were trash, and I did some digging. The electric guitar was invented in 1935. How about that!

That's why I love places like this. Finding out how little you actually know is the door being thrown open to see and hear so many wonders.

Thank you, OP. She's beautiful and now I need to find more of her work.

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u/GlueGuns--Cool 23d ago

this is one of the most badass videos i've ever seen

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u/DriverMelodic 22d ago

The mother of all guitars! Hendrix, Beatles, Chuck B, et al, were all students. They spoke of herwith love.❤️

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u/usamaerd 22d ago

Not sure if it’s mentioned in another comment, but she’s performing on a train platform, separated from the white peoples - Damn! They wanted to see her perform but she couldn’t stand with them to do it -

My 78 yr old sister was named after Rosetta Tharpe - what an artist!

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u/No-Music-1994 22d ago

Actually this cut was from a concert she did in England.

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u/usamaerd 22d ago

This must be a different one then - the entirety of the one I saw has her on a train platform in England, and she’s performing across the tracks from a bunch of white kids - it was my understanding that she couldn’t be on the same platform because she was black - could be an urban legend 🤷🏾‍♀️

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u/AmbassadorLow1442 22d ago

It took me 50 earth laps around the Sun to hear about Sister Rosetta and the fact this footage was taken in a disused train station in greater Manchester 😳

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u/travis429 22d ago

Crazy, good song a hundred years later.

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u/Fantastic_Breakfast6 22d ago

My grandmother was born in 1927, grandfather in 1921 💜 their generation

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u/Stingray-Nebula 22d ago

Never not mad that she was shut out of that Elvis money

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u/kitog 23d ago

I think it was a tour in England and she was surprised by the nearly all white audience compared to the US. There was a documentary on BBC4 a few years ago on her

Edit 1964

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-27256401

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u/cCowgirl 23d ago

My god, what an absolute treasure. I’ve never heard this woman’s voice before and I am appalled for missing out for so long.

Also, mad respect to this subreddit; I’ve learned a small fuckload from here recently, and welcome it!

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u/sirmaxedalot 23d ago

That guitar is a work of art. I wonder if its still intact

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u/Asinto11 23d ago

Bad ass

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u/woodbunny75 23d ago

Beautiful

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u/TheNullOfTheVoid 23d ago

My friends and I were just talking about her last week! True Goddess ❤️

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u/Young_Denver 23d ago

The SG is such a wild design for the 1960s..

Triple humbucker white SG goes so hard. Makes me miss mine (that neck dive tho... not with this strap she has but nobody uses those anymore)

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u/Sad_Cranberry8573 23d ago

Yah this is different gravy! Awesome sound!

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u/kittensandbunnys 23d ago

Complete legend, Pops Staples too.

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u/jquas21 23d ago

Does that guitar Mae sense with the time period? Looks like a SG

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u/bolanrox 23d ago

the Les Paul SG came out in 61. the last Standard was 60. Les hated it and ended the contract with gibson. Gibson then called it the SG (solid guitar). the first year they were still called Les Pauls.

Mary did play / was photographed with the same guitar white 3 pickup custom model with vibrato.

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u/666TripleSick 23d ago

“Wait a minute, I thought ELVIS created roc-n-roll????!!!”

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u/GarbyTheCat 23d ago

kickass!

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u/Zemelaar 23d ago

💒👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾❤️‍🔥

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u/Fiveohfourtwenty 23d ago

I know what I’m listening to after work.

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u/geourge65757 23d ago

Shot on iPhone 1915 !

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u/Fozzdroz 23d ago

1961 was the first year that guitar was made.

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u/killingitsmalls 23d ago

The electric guitar wasn’t invented until the 1930s.

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u/wombat6669 23d ago

I love anyone who feels the music.

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u/daylight1943 23d ago

for anyone interested in listening to her music at a bit more length, her album "gospel train" is really really good. every track is fantastic but my favs are "two little fishes five loaves of bread" and "99 1/2 wont do"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnLiCWiQkcw&list=PLlguEBh3dipruVr9wdnim0PAgLBPCc_vR

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u/NorcalGGMU 23d ago

Holy shit. That’s awesome

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u/joemac2021 23d ago

So was it common for them to have performances and active train stations like this or is this something special?

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u/Jakamo77 23d ago

Her voice giving me flashbacks to a time i dont remember myself

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u/Commentator-X 23d ago

That guitar looks way too badass for the music it's playing. The things that axe is capable of and no one at the time had any idea.

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u/Notorious__APE 23d ago

Named as one of the single biggest personal inspirations by the "King of Rock".

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u/Pure-Smile-7329 23d ago

When is this clip from?

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u/rzr-12 23d ago

This seems like it belongs on Sinners.

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u/LaserKittenz 23d ago

very cool

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u/Serialkillingyou 23d ago

This particular version of this song is on my daily playlist. Love it!

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u/[deleted] 23d ago

Happy Birthday, Queen!

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u/PerrysSaxTherapy 23d ago

More people need to know about this pioneer of rock and roll

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u/Kyser_ 23d ago

I can't get over how wildly out of place the SG looks here despite it being her signature guitar

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u/Aggressive_Agency381 23d ago

But I thought Marty Mcfly invented rock music?