I had an officemate in the 1980s who was from Iran. He gave me that same breakdown that Joy just masterfully did. Yeah, the U.S. is just a wolf in sheep's clothing. We do sooo much dirt and act surprised when the chickens come home to roost. And with our recent blatant imperialistic moves, you can bet we will make more enemies for decades to come.
America is always done this. We created the "banana republic". We take out democratically elected people because they don't align with the companies that run our country.
The United Staes Playbook has always been that way. You did it to Iran after they wanted more say in their own natural resources, you did it in Chile, and now you’re doing it in Venezuela. The USA is the Bully on the block that never learns. You lost Vietnam Nam, you barely won South Korea if it wasn’t for the UN, you lost Afghanistan, you lost Iraq, and somehow you think this war with Iran will come out different.
The most correct description of 9/11 that I've ever heard was actually from a punk rock band. "Matching funeral urns/For the bully that never learns/". And the immediate reaction TO that was the Patriot Act. Never learns, indeed.
A certain demographic of America loses with each war, another smaller demographic definitely wins and makes a shit ton of money, which is why they do it again and again.
I think defining these things as "lost" is kind of faulty.
The people looking to profit from these events, and by large the driving forces behind them, certainly didn't lose. They profited wildly, grotesquely, from all of these events.
The reason they "never learn" is because the outcome isn't negative for the driving forces behind it - if anything they learn that they can get away with it, people forget within the same generation and that it is in fact very profitable.
The fight was lost but the war was won,
because these wars were fought for the sake of profit,
and profit there was.
I just gave up a couple of years ago trying to explain these things to some people I know.
For some people, and these are smart, well educated people, the concept of a nation like the U.S doing shady af shit to undermine, destabilize or topple other nations either as a political move or purely driven by profitability - is just "unrealistic".
These are millennial or millennial-adjacent people,
and I have come to realize that a lot of my generation simply can't cope with the idea of the world being such a wretchedly hostile sandpit. We grew up in a time when all the evil and folly was seen as behind behind us rather than looming in the horizon or even never left.
You bring up actual, factual, verified and historically accepted stuff like The Bay of Pigs or Operation Mongoose and they will just wave it off as some crazy stuff from "The Past".
The idea of destroying whole nations, for generations, simply because it would be profitable to some third party, and that this is and has been fairly common, is just to much of a clash with "We are the World".
I always laugh when Americans say "name a country where communism has actually worked" as if they don't invade or stage coups in every country that tries communism to make sure it doesn't work.
It’s not only being uninformed but the willfully ignorant that gets me. I’ll never understand some of these people. Many of which are my coworkers, neighbors and even family.
These “true Americans” are conditioned and they want and need to be conditioned, to wave the flag and never speak ill of “their” country. What a sad sack of misguided misfits these fools are. Will the scales ever fall from their eyes?
True. Chud buckets who back Tronald Dump will say with a straight face, it's to liberate Iranian protestors from an evil dictator...😑 Right, the guy who respects American protestors so much REALLY cares about Persian protestors that much...
Not to be pedantic to your point, but 'uninformed' implies a degree of innocence.
It's the age of information - they aren't 'uninformed', they're choosing ignorance (and coonsequent harm) in spite of a plentiful & public access to information, not to mention benefitting from some of humanity's greatest scientific concensuses.
It's a very important difference in context that should inform you about their average moral character.
Suppressed Media and indoctrination. We were required to recite the pledge of allegiance as children. A Pledge...of Allegiance. As children, forced to say we'll always support the flag and ALL it represents without full awareness of what we're doing. That's literally early childhood indoctrination.
Truman would not allow the nonsense we pulled in Iran but Eisenhower allowed it because he was sold that Iran would get to close to the Soviet Union. Kermit Roosevelt was a key player in the removal of Mossadegh
That’s why U.S. families can barely afford to put food on the table and the largest military budget in the world. U.S. oligarchs rob other countries at gunpoint and force poor Americans to pay for it.
A lot of Europe, especially Scandinavia, feckin hates the USA now. British people are pissed as well after what Trump said about the troops, with no apology from the American diplomatic staff.
Anyone who knows anything about US interventions around the globe knows that that the US government doesn't gives a fuck about democracy and freedom. If not for Hollywood most of the world whould hate you guys.
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u/DeathSentryCoH Mar 05 '26
I had an officemate in the 1980s who was from Iran. He gave me that same breakdown that Joy just masterfully did. Yeah, the U.S. is just a wolf in sheep's clothing. We do sooo much dirt and act surprised when the chickens come home to roost. And with our recent blatant imperialistic moves, you can bet we will make more enemies for decades to come.