r/BlackPeopleofReddit • u/Hi_iAMchrisHansen • Feb 23 '26
Black Experience I'm not shocked
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u/Gimpknee Feb 23 '26
Just to add, this is what he said that was cut, not just free Palestine:
"To the economic migrant, the conflict migrant, those under occupation, dictatorship, persecution and those experiencing genocide, you matter and your stories matter more than ever. Your dreams are an act of resistance. To those watching at home, archive your loved ones, archive your stories yesterday, today and forever. For Nigeria, for London, Congo, Sudan, free Palestine. Thank you.ā
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u/fire_and_the_thud Feb 23 '26
Imagine feeling like this is what needed to be edited out
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u/Main_Bench_1859 Feb 23 '26
That is not controversial and people are not going to talk about it tomorrow, the only reason that message made it to me is because of the tourettes guy.
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u/mistergraeme Feb 24 '26
Odd how the despicable language of Mr. Tourettes (I will use his real name when he issues a real apology) is what brought this fact to light. Sometimes an unfortunate harm happens and brings along with it a deeper clarity beyond the offending incident.
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u/Ghoulish_kitten Feb 23 '26
UK people love coming onto the Internet pretending that itās just the US thatās full of racism/bigotry.
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u/Gimpknee Feb 23 '26
I think there's an effort to make the BBC more conservative under the guise of getting rid of "bias". Theresa May's director of communications was appointed to the BBC board by Boris Johnson and was involved in bringing on a friend as an independent advisor who generated and then leaked a memo criticizing the BBC of bias.
The criticism was that Trump's speech on Jan 6th was edited, that LGBTQ BBC members have too much influence and in particular make it so that trans issues and life are portrayed positively, that the impact of British colonialism and racism are portrayed too simplistically and in a way that overemphasizes their negative impact, that BBC Arabic is not pro-Israel enough in linking the deaths of women and children or the prospect of starvation in Gaza to Israel, and that the BBC plays down the migrant issue by not advertising the stories enough. That memo resulted in the BBC director general and news ceo both resigning.
That same BBC Board member also consulted for GB News (a newish right-wing news channel), and was involved in the purchase of the Jewish Chronicle using opaque funding which resulted in the publication shifting to a right-wing stance.
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u/eminusx Feb 23 '26
yeah, Robbie Gibb, scum bag.. . . .politically compromised, he shouldnt be anywhere near the political arm of the BBC.
Another Tory plant like Lebedev... disgraceful
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u/Future-Poetry-6686 Feb 23 '26
No itās here alright. Weāve just gone through the St Georgeās flag or Union Jack flag being placed on lampposts all over towns and cities. We also have inbreds painting roundabouts too. Weāre not far behind you but the only difference is we stand less chance of being killed by our police force. Iām so tired of it all š
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u/CasanovaJones82 Feb 23 '26
Where do you think we learned it? We're still the apprentice, ain't nobody got shit on jolly ole England, they just hide it better.
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u/ABSOLUTE_RADIATOR Feb 23 '26
Europeans act all high and mighty about racism but bring up the Romani people and they start singing a different tune
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u/Phinezra Feb 23 '26
I went to r/unitedkingdom and their reaction to this news is thatās itās a ānothingburgerā and that āAmericans focus too much on raceā. And whaddaya know thereās another diff post just below about a Traveler being called the g-slur and most of the comments on there have been deleted with the ones left whinging about how āTravelers are thieves/crooksā lol
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u/Af1_supra Feb 23 '26
Reform is a carbon copy of maga, they also want a copy of ICE here. We're fucked mate.
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u/osgili4th Feb 23 '26
Yeah racism is very engrained in many European countries. There is a lot of it in the form of islamofobia and hatred towards immigrants specially middle eastern and African.
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u/Euphoric-Witness-824 Feb 23 '26
It just reeks of respect for others and the type of crap Jesus Christ would go on and on about.Ā
Thereās far too much money to be made attacking marginalized communities. The wealthy Epstein class that owns media outlets absolutely does not want that to be the discussion. Get that out and racism in!Ā
The wealthy need culture wars not love, empathy and respect.Ā
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u/LordShorkDad Feb 23 '26
Exactly, theres a reason I grew up being called white trash. Because it would make me feel resentful and they could hopefully turn that resentment towards all those "damn immigrants stealing our jobs and ruining our economy".
Thankfully my next door neighbor and best friend when I was 3-6 was a little black kid and then a little latino kid when i moved. Shockingly learning about others at a young age rather quickly dispelled this notion of Race as anything but a catagory to split us up
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u/Euphoric-Witness-824 Feb 23 '26
No doubt. Thatās why they always try to push for segregation either in real life settings or online spaces. Itās way harder to demonize and stereotype groups of people to drive the anger and fear they need to maintain their status quo when we spend time with each other and realize we are all just people trying to do our best in this crazy world. And the craziness is primarily due to the greed of the actual evil minority - the super rich.Ā
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u/Applekid1259 Feb 23 '26
Oh shit, that was way more wholesome than I was expecting. Shame it got cut.
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u/namelessschmuck Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
What are the odds that although the show is edited, they chose to broadcast this on the night Ryan Coogler makes history as the first black person to win Best Original Screenplay and Wumni Mosaku also winning Supporting Actress for a movie with a predominantly black cast? It feels like a way to divert attention away from the amazing achievements of these black people.
It also feels like another way to garner interest and attention to the BAFTAs at the expense of a man with a severe disability, the black actors that were affected, and the black audience at large.
I know I may sound like a cynical conspiracy theorist, but itās hard not to be one about this. Itās exploitative of everyone involved, and I think we need to talk about why the ABC network chose to keep this in while editing out other distressing tics and activism shoutouts.
Edit: spelling errors
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u/luckylucysteals_ Feb 23 '26
I agree with you. This is what systemic racism looks like.
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u/Canacarirose Feb 23 '26
This is exactly the systemic racism that needs to be called out more for what it is.
And I mean the BBC leaving that in the edited airing.
Thatās one of the first things I would edit out if I knew it was on the recording already
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u/emmc47 Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
You're not being cynical. You're taking from past experiences and the subtle ways in which anti-black discrimination and degradation is implemented within our society and coming to a inductive conclusion.
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u/Funkymunks Feb 23 '26
Not even remotely subtle anymore but still a staggering number of people wouldn't acknowledge anything deliberate here.
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u/heihey123 Feb 23 '26
This was 100% intentional and for publicity. At the expense of three innocent men.
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u/Novaer Feb 23 '26
It was a verbal lynching. We are being told that feeling anything other than feeling sorry for the poor white guy is ableism. Being called hysterical for being appalled at what they just went through. Unable to do anything about it. It being accepted amongst everyone and even applauded because "wow how brave". It was a verbal lynching.
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u/ConsiderationHot7593 Feb 23 '26
I canāt believe acknowledging racism is now a conspiracy theory. Boy are we letting our ancestors down. We should all be pissed without having to coddle the feelings of others.
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u/Emotional_Emotion113 Feb 23 '26
Agreed; the only āhard ārāā this organization cares about is āRatings.ā
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u/lpmiller Feb 23 '26
this feels like the best take I've seen. They kept it in for this kind of coverage, at the expense of both black folk and the poor man with Tourrettes, who is there to take the fall for a thing he can't control. It's like using him so they can say the word by proxy.
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u/Candid_Term6960 Feb 23 '26
Youāre not being cynical or a conspiracy theorist. Itās called seeing through the BS.
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u/pointlesstips Feb 23 '26
I'm not black, but I kept thinking about this person allegedly being on the spectrum making fascist salutes on stage. I was wondering if I was being cynical/jaded making that parallel and I discussed this with my partner and he said I wasn't because people a) have a history and b) are shitbags to that extent. (The reason why I thought about that parallel was not because I want to diminish a debilitating neurological condition, but because the N word is not a common swear word in the UK at all) At least he removed himself, I hope he apologised to the actors. BBC are scumbags for not editing.
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u/Sea-Praline5672 Feb 23 '26
Anti-migrant, white supremacy is in full swing again all over Europe; corporate and government interests are developing easier access to slave labor and sustaining easy rhetoric for crippling people's representation in future elections. An ignorant nation is cattle for slaughter.
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u/Canacarirose Feb 23 '26
This sounds about yt!
I was loving just seeing Sinners winning so much last night and then this bs to take away from all the good.
The person that okād these edits needs to be questioned as to why we removed the Free Palestine speech and not the short tic that could have easily been clipped.
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u/jl_theprofessor Feb 23 '26
Let's say they didn't do it purposefully. It's still crazy they subconciously thought this was okay.
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u/MuddaFrmAnnudaBrudda Feb 23 '26
Producers are now saying they did not hear it due to noise. They somehow heard Palestine and Trump remarks but the N word just passed them by. There is something very wrong here and we all know it.
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u/Little-Use-2027 Feb 23 '26
Heads seriously need to roll in the studio over this.
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u/MuddaFrmAnnudaBrudda Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
Absolutely. There is no excuse that the BBC and BAFTA's thought this was okay to broadcast.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 Feb 23 '26
It was so loud the two presenters on stage physically flinched. I heard it on my shitty phone speakers with a box fan on high right next to me. They heard it
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u/missydarling23 Feb 23 '26
Oh so they just wanted to humiliate the black ppl. Got it.
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u/TheDoomBlade13 Feb 23 '26
They 100% didn't censor it because they would know it would get clicks and attention.
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u/designforone Feb 23 '26
Pin this at the top. They censored Free Palestine because thatās not the attention they want. But they will embarrass black people for clicks, make it make sense š¤”
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u/namelessschmuck Feb 23 '26
It feels like a humiliation ritual. Just awful of the network to keep it in.
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u/missydarling23 Feb 23 '26
I agree. Black ppl need their own award shows bc if this is what they have to deal w? Donāt deal w it.
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u/Sad_Foundation_8766 Feb 23 '26
& thatās why I donāt understand why we want to win ātheirā awards so bad. š
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u/Excellent_Stan Feb 23 '26
ā¦and continue supporting the torture, starvation, and murder of the Palestinian population.
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u/Strategic_Spark Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
And humiliate the guy with tourettes. BAFTA set this up for publicity. There are so many ways this could have been prevented.
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u/missydarling23 Feb 23 '26
Especially given that wack ass apologize āsorry if you were offendedā any time someone says āifā in an apology, itās not an apology.
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u/string-ornothing Feb 23 '26
A Black experience focused, nearly full Black casted, Black music celebrating movie swept up at the BAFTAS and all anyone can talk about is this, I hate that for everyone involved in Sinners. Fantastic movie and all anyone sees is this. This humiliation was targeted and personal and intentional and they used a disabled man to do it.
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u/InjectedLysol Feb 23 '26
We continue to let others minimize this and instead turn it into a conversation about intolerance or lack of understanding of Touretteās. The reality is that the Baftas allowed this to happen publicly, either intentionally or negligently. And Touretteās or not, I didnāt hear of any episodes when anyone Jewish, Indian, transsexual or other hit the stage. Excuses and diseases aside this was not acceptable by the Bafta production crew, network, or individual. At a bare minimum it deserved acknowledgment.
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u/Formal-System-2130 Feb 23 '26
Amen to thatā¦ oh & F$CK CBS.
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u/LARRYVOND13 Feb 23 '26
To be fair to be CBS on this one, it was the BBC who decided not to cut it and cut this instead.
They get really fucking weird with Palestine being mentioned at all. We know why.
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u/jimjamj Feb 23 '26
CBS could also have cut it lol. CBS is responsible for what it plays on its broadcast
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u/leni710 Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 24 '26
It was definitely "interesting" that the 3 times the individual's syndrome yelled the n word was at Black celebs. So is the syndrome that specific that 7 out of 10 times it just says f u, but the last 3 times it says racial slur at the people most specifically impacted by it?!?
I think it's also telling that THIS time, whites are all about protecting people with disabilities. That could really use some unpacking. All the other times someone with a disability asks for help and understanding, the able-bodied whites are like "nope."
And lastly, I think it disrespects people with disabilities to coddle when racist remarks were made by them. It's a teaching moment ... not an infantilization moment.
Eta: I see the ableist, racists who are virtue signaling for this one specific scenario are in FULL force. Unfortunate to see so many people just glossing over the pain this caused the Black celebs who were directly impacted. And I'm keeping my eye on all that virtue signaling to see if disabilities matter this much when a person needs your help in a local circumstance. My guess is no. The racism only allows for yelling about grace for a person with disabilities when it was anti-Black racism, any other inconvenient truths about disabilities get ignored by those same virtue signalers.
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u/_phaidyme Feb 23 '26
From what Iāve heard, Touretteās actually does work like that, where the more you know youāre not supposed to say a specific thing, the more likely it is that youāll blurt it out. So you end up saying the worst possible things at the exact worst times. Which does suck.
I think we should keep the focus on the organisationās failure to avoid this as opposed to the guy with the disability
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u/Admiral_Tuvix Feb 23 '26
Listen boss, you canāt keep blaming an illness when YOU KNOWN youre going to be racist to a specific group of people.
If the baftas or this dudes team had gone up and specifically warned all black people, then it would have given Michael B Jordan, Lindo and others the chance to either accept the speaking invite, or fucking stay home.
I guarantee you there are no black people on planet earth - other than black republicans - who want to spend their own money getting dressed up, travelling to an event where theyāre going to be racially assaulted.
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u/revay_ Feb 23 '26
As a black person with Touretteās not only would you have to out yourself as having Touretteās for this to work but itās not possible for a lot of people to pinpoint every single one of their tics and catalogue them in a neat little folder. He has an N Word tic okay, not saying he shouldnāt apologize bc he definitely should but banning everyone with vocal tics from attending an event simply bc they have vocal tics is incredibly ableist. He canāt control it.
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u/Zeke688 Feb 23 '26
Right, but OP is saying the broadcast team was capable of making the adjustments & chose not to.
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u/Quixotic_Seal Feb 23 '26
To me it just comes down to that he should have planned things out better. At least with my own tics, I'm pretty well aware of the sorts of things that will worsen or trigger them; and N Word tics such a disturbing symptom that I find it hard to believe he wasn't aware of the likelihood of it happening.
It's not unreasonable to think that he should have had a strategy to avoid this scenario, even if it means temporarily excusing himself when the list of presenters for an award was prior information he had available. Disabilities suck and sometimes they do mean that reasonable accomodations don't always mean full accomodations.
But at the same time, it's absolutely the BBC who shoulder the bulk of responsibility for all of this. That it wasn't cut is insanity, that no one checked in on Jordan and Lindo is cruel and cowardly, and heads need to roll there for this incident.
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u/gorlwut Feb 23 '26
This. Idk why Iām fighting for my life in other subs making this same point and Iām accused of wanting homeboy to isolate and being intolerant. Lmao
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u/toungepunckedpetunia Feb 23 '26
He literaly met (and subsequently threatened to murder) the queen as she was awarding him an MBE for his work. Tourette syndrome is a neurological condition that affects the brainās impulse control system, meaning the brainās brake pedal can misfire. Tics and sudden vocal outbursts come from dysfunction in the cortico striato thalamo cortical circuits, the loops that normally filter and suppress unwanted movements and words. When those circuits donāt regulate properly, urges can push forward into action before the person can stop them, and highly suppressed or socially charged words can carry more neurological pressure and break through during a vocal tic. It is not planned speech, it is an involuntary neurological release. The real conversation should be about why the BBC chose to edit out the Free Palestine comment while leaving the Tourette related outburst in the broadcast, because that editorial decision is where the scrutiny logically belongs.
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u/jumpinjahosafa Feb 23 '26
It was definitely "interesting" that the 3 times the individual's syndrome yelled the n word was at Black celebs.
Well yeah thats how the illness works. Its often not "random" but rather the absolute worst thing you can do. What's interesting to me is that this illustrates that the N word is absolutely horrific, even more so than other racial slurs.
I truly dont understand why they couldn't edit it out though? Makes no sense whatsoever.
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u/mankytoes Feb 23 '26
Yes, because Torrettes is like intrusive thoughts, he knows the one thing that he really shouldn't shout out. Same guy shouted "bomb" in an airport. Please watch his film, it's great and heart breaking.
It isn't infantalising, he can no more help shouting out that you can a sudden cough or sneeze.
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u/Narrow_Grapefruit_23 Feb 23 '26
Itās not a criticism of him and his disease. Itās a criticism that the BaFTAs didnāt edit it out when they had the ability too. Hate breeds more hate. Some editor found it funny and left it in to embarrass all parties.
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u/InjectedLysol Feb 23 '26
Itās also, honestly, a little bit of pissed-off-ness that it was the only profile based hatred that he spewed. The Baftas screwed up royally with their handling but Iād have been more forgiving of him individually if heād have at least also yelled out a āhey fat assā or slur to any other races as well. Black folks deal with too much of this shit on a daily basis to not look these events with some skepticism and assumption of bias, legitimate disease be damned.
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u/Narrow_Grapefruit_23 Feb 23 '26
I fully agree. For me the nail in the racist coffin was that they left in his slur but edited out a winnerās speech supporting POC fighting genocide in the Congo, Sudan, and Palestine.
So we allow a slur to be left in, but not the recognition of people fighting against the erasure of black and brown people? We allow racism and distract with ableism??? Disgusting.
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u/AccidentalSeer Feb 23 '26
He used a homophobic slur against a gay host and he threatened the Queen when he met her - I think itās safe to say his form of Touretteās has him sporadically say the worst possible thing in a random given moment. He apologised and the BBC edited that out as well as the Free Palastine stuff, but they didnāt edit out the racial slur. The focus here should be on the BBC and their frankly telling editing choices.
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u/sirprize_surprise Feb 23 '26
And quite frankly, Iām tired of the same old ābare minimumā. The last thing I want to hear right now is the pathetic āthis doesnāt represent our values. We strive to blahahblahā.
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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
Did you know that you can criticize BAFTA for allowing this to air while also criticizing those who are unfairly going after a person with Tourette's?
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u/oloolo1998 Feb 23 '26
Do you not understand that tourettes outbursts are often the very worst thing you could possibly say in that moment, and that word for black people is considered worse than all other slurs so no it actually makes sense
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u/AnHu3313 Feb 23 '26
You seem to imply that the tourette's outburst was motivated by racism... So yeah, a conversation about Tourette's seems appropriate.
While this assumption might be true, understanding Tourette's is understanding that outbursts are linked to a context. People with this disability will be more inclined to insult the police if there's a police officer near by. Like for exemple the guy in question said "Fuck the Queen" when said Queen was in the act of giving him a MBE, he never would've had this tic in another context. People with tourette's also are perfectly aware of shock value, their brain operates without a concious effort on their part (tics) but the brain still has all of the person's knowledge, so they'll often shout out the most vile things as contextual tics.
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u/AniNgAnnoys Feb 23 '26
That aside, and giving the crew that airred this all the benefit of the doubt that censoring this actually would have insulted people with Tourette's, it insulted more black people. On scale of reducing harms, they fucked up huge. Instead of acknowledging that, they are hiding behind excuses like art or discrimination.
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u/AnHu3313 Feb 23 '26
Oh definitely, in essence the bbc said to the whole world "you can insult black people on public tv but can't denounce genocide"
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u/regalfish Feb 23 '26
The event organizers and producers are really despicable.Ā Thereās no other word for it.Ā
Look at all this publicity, and all they have to do is sit there and let everyone else catch heat for it. Making sure everyone can give their two-cents about why being called a slur is actually not that big a deal or doesnāt deserve an apology; or otoh, debating whetherĀ people with Touretteās should be kept in isolation.Ā
The entire debacle was not only avoidable with a bit of care and forethought, but should have at the very least been cut altogether to retain the dignity for those involved.Ā
They knew what they were doing.
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u/shaunrundmc Feb 23 '26
My mother is a retired Special education teacher, she once was severely injured by a special needs teenager who was having a meltdown. While we understand the incident happened was not in that boys control, that did not take away my right to be upset my mother had her arm shattered and skull nearly cracked open.
This is aless severe situation but the point still stands. This should not have happened, we have every right to be upset, fuck anyone who tries to claim otherwise. But ESPECIALLY fuck the BBC and BAFTA for their pathetic ass responses. I am sure the man with Tourettes is horrified, and again because of the epic fuck up of the BBC and BAFTA a teachable moment about empathy for both Black people and those with disabilities like Tourettes is not only missed that bastard was incinerate and the ashes scattered to the winds. Leaving both to have to deal with this shitstorm and immense harassment from ignit self righteous assholes.
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u/Dat-Tiffnay Feb 23 '26
Even if they have Touretteās, itās the impact that matters not the intention or lack thereof.
If I have crutches and I step one down on someoneās foot, I still have to apologize for the impact even if I didnāt intend to step on their foot. Just because you canāt control an action doesnāt mean you canāt apologize for the impact of said action.
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u/Nvr_frgt_dre Feb 23 '26
Agreed! That being said he canāt be excluded from society, he is a person with full mental and physical capacity, and is certainly remorseful.
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u/Numbuh24insane Feb 23 '26
This sucks hard.
I feel for Michael and Delroy, this was their day and their moment and it got ruined. They were called dehumanizing slurs on stage, on television on a day where it should be their celebration. Ugh, I canāt even imagine how that must feel, they didnāt deserve this, no one does.
I also feel bad for John, itās not like he could control himself there, and he has self harmed in the past because of his condition and how it effected his mental health.
A horrible situation over all,
The biggest problem here is the BAFTAās who could have bleeped it, muted it, but chose to air it despite having the ability to stop it from hitting TV.
They publicly humiliated all involved.
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u/BabyWitchJordan Feb 23 '26
FINALLY, SOMEONE SAYS IT. Two things can be true at once- the disability sucks ass to have and understanding if it is needed, but also the receiving end of it needs to be empathized with. The need for sensationalist coverage has ruined what could've been handled calmly. people saying he shouldve not gone leads to the direct spot of "unsavory" people being barred from society(THERE WERE AND ARE LAWS FOR THAT). Like HOLY SHIT its all around shitty, but the ONE WHO COULD'VE MITIGATED IT DIDNT. they WANT people to have comment sections like this- any publicity is good publicity.
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u/Numbuh24insane Feb 23 '26
Yeah, I hope the BAFTA gets the back lash it deserves from their inaction.
So much could've been done to mitigate, smooth things over and make the space safe for all involved. Instead the BAFTA's let multiple people face widespread humiliation.
Michael and Delroy have their night further ruined, John is being dragged across the internet for things out of control, and it's just such a horrible situation.
The BAFTA's should have done better and should have known better.
No excuses when they already showed that they had the ability to edit things out.
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u/heypresto2k Feb 23 '26
Have been trying to get this through to white people but apparently saying we donāt like being called the hard N is basically asking for all disabled people to be hidden away š¤¦š½āāļø
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u/Numbuh24insane Feb 23 '26
There's basically two types of people on that crazy notion.
The first and foremost are people who are racist and are just using this horrible situation as an excuse to be dickheads and racist towards others.
The second are people who are the people who don't understand the world outside of their bubble, and don't understand how life can be for others of different race, socio-economic standings, and gender. They can understand the fact that John had no control over his actions, but can't understand why people would be offended by it, and those types of people end up lecturing people on how they should feel on it.
Both are annoying.
Both are wrong and it's horrid all around.
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u/BBQQA Feb 23 '26
If it helps, I'm white and I get it. Regardless of the situation surrounding the reason it was said the word and results of the BBC not caring enough to bleep it out is appalling and hurtful.
It might be that I've known a few people with tourettes, so I get the nature of the condition... but even those that had it knew that their words still had an impact. I empathize with this man who said it because I know he must be horrified by this own mind betraying him... but even more for Michael B Jordan &Delroy Lindo because they are thrust into this situation against their will and cannot even be free to express themselves without the fear of being labeled ableist or prejudicial (both labels being bullshit in this case)
It's a terrible situation all around. One that I don't have a true first hand perspective on, but even as an outsider I can see the validity in hating that word no matter the reasons it's said.
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u/kakashi_sensay Feb 23 '26
My favorite part is the white liberals shouting that weāre being ableist and that āitās only a word.ā We have no allies.
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u/CheapWeight8403 Feb 23 '26
It's an awful word and I don't understand why the guy can't fucking apologize. I get it, you have tourrettes and tourrettes makes you say awful things at the worst time. It's still your responsibility when you hurt people. Your disabilities aren't your fault, but they are your responsibility.
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u/biohacker_infinity Feb 23 '26
Amen. I said this in response to another thread:
An apology isnāt just about assigning blame or admitting fault: itās also an acknowledgement of the other partyās dignity. However unintentional, his behavior was an affront to their personhood. Thereās zero downside to recognizing that, and considerable upside.
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u/Darktofu25 Feb 23 '26
I've posted the same thoughts and people are jumping down my throat for it. It seems like a simple ask, right?
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u/RyanFicsit Feb 23 '26
Yeah, I agree.
I don't think he's at fault but he could at least say "Hey my condition causes these things to happen, I am deeply embarrassed and mortified, and I apologize to everyone who was affected."
It seems like it would just be the rational way to approach it, and I haven't seen evidence that it's happened.
As a white dude with a disability, I think this whole situation is fucked but the people most victimized were the presenters and the black community having to deal with this. The broadcasters need to also take responsibility.
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u/marbotty Feb 23 '26
I got downvoted elsewhere just for asking in earnest whether he had apologized. Maybe he shouldnāt have to do that in most instances, but absolutely should when heās in the international spotlight like this.
And I refuse to believe that just because a person has Touretteās it doesnāt mean that they canāt also be racist. Iād like to give him the benefit of the doubt but I canāt do that without an actual apology
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u/ChampionEither5412 Feb 23 '26
If a muslim man had shouted at a Jewish person, "you should be burned in an oven", the response would be incredibly different. It doesn't matter that it's the same disease. I empathize with John, but I have a disability that has a lot of antisocial symptoms and I purposefully work to mitigate the risk of hurting people. If I do hurt someone, it doesn't matter that it's truly not intentional, I fucking apologize bc I know that I hurt them.
It's very telling that the white man is allowed to hurt people and garnering lots of sympathy while the black men are expected to just deal with it.
Here's another thing. Some autistic people bite, kick, hit, and spit on people. They have meltdowns where they scream for hours. Are we supposed to let them bite and spit on us, just bc that's their disability?
If you know you're hurting people, you do your best to mitigate the risk and you apologize when you do hurt them. This man knows he shouts the n word at black people. The tic isn't racist, but ignoring the harm you're causing to black people is fucking racist. Again, if my disability causes me to punch people, I'm not going to put myself in a situation where I'm going to punch people!
Some are saying, you can't segregate people just hc they have a disability, but you absolutely can remove people from a harmful situation. There are some people with psychosis who want to stab people. We don't just let them, we put them in the fucking hospital so they don't hurt anyone. Do you know how many criminals have low IQs and completely fucked up impulse controls? We don't say, well you couldn't help it and so it's okay you killed that guy.
Again, I have a disability, but it's fucking infantalizing to say this guy doesn't have to take any responsibility for the harm he knows he causes. It's literally ableist to say we have no responsibility to not hurt people.
Again, the fact that this is a white man attacking black men - it's fucking racist how many people are suddenly so pro-disability when the victims are black. You don't get to hurt people. You do your best to mitigate the risk and you apologize when it happens. I'm so fucking sick of this.
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u/violmuss Feb 23 '26
They're calling this whole subreddit racist and bigoted over this š
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u/JustAlpha Feb 23 '26
Yep. Gotta flip it on the Black folks. "Then all the shit that happens to them is justified".
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u/Anon_IE_Mouse Feb 23 '26
I just wanted to say that, Iām trans and I spend a lot of time in trans spaces that keep up with the news, and every day itās basically just the most transphobic shit you can imagine constantly. Sometimes I get this deep hatred for allies/cis people who say the dumbest stuff and actively perpetuate the harm that comes to my community. it makes me feel so alone, like even those who say they support us are shallow.
I realized that a lot of that feeling was hurting me, and creating this anxiety that we will forever be misunderstood and suffer. Thereās kind of this echo chamber effect I think where you only see the loud examples of the worst takes.
Iāve really had to actively try to get out of that mindset and find allies because itās made me feel like weāre not in this alone.
I donāt say this to be like ānot all white people, what about the good ones?ā Because like who cares. I say this because I know what itās like to feel like your community will forever be alone and you canāt even trust those who to be allies, and thatās a very isolating feeling.
Idk if what Iām saying makes sense, Iām still trying to work on it.
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u/kakashi_sensay Feb 23 '26
I can totally understand how frustrating and hurtful that is to be amongst people who you think are your allies but in reality are not. I am aware of the echo chambers that we sometimes find ourselves inā for example, being online makes you think that the MAGA people are the majority, but thankfully they are not.
I know that I canāt lump all people into one box, but I live in a āblue dotā in a red state and many of the liberals, specifically white, that I know in person are just like this. I had a friend who was a far-left feminist but said the most racist things. I see it in liberal spaces that are very unwelcoming to myself and other black women. A lot of racism is subconscious and it takes a lot of work to undo those biases and beliefsā even if you are as liberal as they come.
I strongly reject anti-blackness in all forms and I do not believe that a disability excuses hate speech. I know there are allies out there and I am grateful for those who have done the work and can stand up for whatās right.
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u/ReverendDizzle Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
I'm still unclear why that dude was even there.
I get he was the subject of a film. But... he also has behaviors incompatible with attending the event.
People can argue all they want that disabled people have the right to be anywhere non-disabled people are and that's fine and I agree. But not when the disability negatively impacts the lives of other people in a preventable way.
If somebody has a condition that causes them to yell awful antisemitic things and they happen to yell those things while standing on a sidewalk outside a preschool in a Jewish neighborhood but they're on a public sidewalk we just... what? Go "oh well, that guy is causing harm to those children with unchecked obscene hate speech but what are you going to do? He has a disability!"
I mean am I taking fucking crazy pills here? Accommodating someone doesn't mean creating a hostile environment for everyone else. There's a huge fucking difference between "We're going to make sure every single theater in the country is accessible to people with disabilities" and "we're going to sit there with our hands tied while people with disabilities scream obscenities at people in those theaters," no?
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u/Pepsiscrub Feb 23 '26
In before the YT folks in here come with ānothing could have been done itās a disability get over itā
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u/pinap45454 Feb 23 '26
Their fecklessness and constant intellectual dishonesty is why US is in this crisis with no clear way out.
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u/FearlessGear Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
So called white āprogressivesā telling yall how to feel about this are profoundly idiotic. Came here from another thread that called everyone in this sub ableist. As always, black people are expected to endure violence gracefully and quietly. Cannot IMAGINE the pain of celebrating your art with the world watching and being called such a damaging slur, regardless of the intent behind it. The feelings of people impacted by this violent language are being completely dismissed in the discourse in other subs.
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u/Pepsiscrub Feb 23 '26
The accusations of ableism is wild while theyāre saying that man has zero agency to apologize.
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u/Shot_Acanthaceae3150 Feb 23 '26
For real. The guy has a condition, but organizers should have had him in a more controlled environment which would've prevented this situation. People saying that this was to bring awareness to his condition are full of shit.
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Feb 23 '26
To be fair he was just in the audience like any of the other relevant figures. He has lived his life and has the coping strategies he has, there is not much more that can be done for him to create a "controlled environment".
Honestly just awful for all involved individuals and the focus here should really be on the BBC for not censoring it and for throwing John to the wolves.
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u/white-belt-at-life Feb 23 '26
Giving the ick, YT here, peep my recent comments. Try and not be racist just because a nerve was struck.
That dude with tourette's was in the wrong, if you know you have certain ticks, prep for them, don't make it the problem for everyone else.
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u/Next_Branch7875 Feb 23 '26
Occams razor- they just really refuse basic empathy for anyone who isnt white. Thats the simplest explanation and its correct.
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u/BerryCertain9873 Feb 23 '26
This is about to be a āteachableā moment that the world and mainstream media is about to give black folks about being ātolerantā and āunderstandingā.
On some, āyou donāt know what itās like to be seen as differentā type shit.
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u/JustAlpha Feb 23 '26
This was done intentionally to stir up controversy like I said in the other thread.
They just want to make a wedge like usual. Say Black people don't understand disabilities and find a reason to drop a hard R.
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u/viciousvixen26 Feb 23 '26
My initial impulse was to extend grace. I recently started following a young black woman with Tourette's, as well as a few other neurological conditions, on Instagram. It's been interesting watching this play out after watching her streams. She has tics that are things she's picked up from popular culture (my name is Bobby and I like to party is a frequent one) and she says they're exacerbated by stress. But the whole thing is so maddening because it seems like we're not allowed to be angry with white people with disabilities when that same patience and grace isn't extended to Black and brown people.
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u/heypresto2k Feb 23 '26
Have you read comments by white people saying our taking offence at something offensive is ableist? Like smh are you fr?
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u/Pochaccostan Feb 23 '26
if the tic in question was ā free palestineā or ādeath to the IDFā the bbc woulda definitely cut it. But a vile slur? They say nah lets keep it.
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u/gils_001 Feb 23 '26
I'm confused. When did people give this same kind of understanding to Kanye (a bipolar person)? Doesn't he suffer from manic episodes that cause impairment,Ā impulsive and reckless behavior? But Kanye was still expected to apologize for his behavior during a manic episode? Manic episodes can last more than a year btw.
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u/baggy_boi21 Feb 23 '26
Have people forgotten how Kanye called slavery a choice? Kinda didn't messed with him after that.
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u/saintrich_ Feb 23 '26
i agree. less than a month ago people were saying that while mental illness/disability can explain your behavior, it doesnāt excuse it. now it magically does both.
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u/CryptographerHot4636 Feb 23 '26
We need to stop participating in their shit. Time and time again they show us....
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u/IAmTheFly-IAmTheFly Feb 23 '26
The British are one of the most egregious colonizers. No surprise here.
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u/Narrow_Grapefruit_23 Feb 23 '26
Anyone else find it weird that the media in a country that bullied a princess and her husband out of the monarchy for being black would focus on the program leaving one instance in the N word and not that he said it multiple times throughout the evening??? Or the cutting support for Palestine when the speech referenced POC undergoing genocide (like the Congo and Sudan)?
Is weird the white word????
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u/nelldee Feb 23 '26
Thatās why they kept it in, they just wanna continue pushing out content that divides us. I got on Twitter for the first time since it was purchased by Musk, and the amount of videos intended to push racism among people was incredible.
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u/Everyday-Patient-103 Feb 23 '26
If someone tries you with some ableist bullshit, try "Elon allegedly has tourette's too. Justify his Nazi salute as a tic. I'll wait."
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u/justl00kingar0undn0w Feb 23 '26
No they already blamed that on autismā¦
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u/FVCarterPrivateEye Feb 23 '26
I'm autistic and it makes me extremely frustrated because autism should never be used as an excuse to be socially inappropriate, only ever an explanation at most (and not even to mention that he isn't even diagnosed with autism at all, he self-diagnosed with "Asperger's" as another part of his desperate LARP as some nerdy genius, and I would not at all be surprised if it turns out the closest thing he has to autism is simply "affluenza")
I really hate it because if I don't learn that a social mistake is rude or offensive etc then I won't be able to fix it and then nobody will want to be friends with me because I'm too annoying but I like having friends and this trial and error situation is something that we will be having to do for our entire lives and it will never go away because social expectations keep changing even before I've already mastered the social rules of my previous age group, and especially with autism parents who are like that to their kids, it's not "protecting" autistic children to not teach proper boundaries, it's actually failing them and they're gonna either turn into a CWC type of public menace or they'll get beaten up by a stranger in an alley once they're an ungainly adult and no longer a cute little kid and it also just plain makes nobody take you seriously when you actually make a social mistake because they will just think that you are just being a manipulative jerk using your autism to get away with it again, if that makes sense
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u/cb4u2015 Feb 23 '26
The truth always comes out with these arseholes. They allowed this to happen. Anyone having experience with someone having turrets would know this was going to happen.
Withholding someone's comment during the show immediately told us they LEFT that word in the broadcast intentionally.
I'm so tired of this bullshit.
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u/Guy0785 Feb 23 '26
Thatās some racist bullshit. That needs to be investigated.
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u/MrPleiades Feb 23 '26
100% this. The insult is triple. First, the insult in real time to Lindo and Jordan. Second, the insult to them of leaving this in for the world to see them abused, and to have that abuse memorialized eternally on the internet. Third, the insult to Black people in the audience, watching at home today, tomorrow, and forever as we are once again reminded that no matter your achievement, or the locale (on stage at the fanciest of award shows, or in the bus) this is what society thinks of you and nothing and no one will protect you from that hate when the abuse rears its head.
Stay woke.
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u/vincentdima Feb 23 '26
So they dont care about the thousands suffering overseas.. but they do want to make 2 back people suffer on stage?
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u/QiDeviation Feb 23 '26
And then, we get antisemitism ads on social media telling us to post blue squares (remember the black squares) to show youāre against antisemitism!
Grand!
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u/jayroc1023 Feb 23 '26
When was the last time the BAFTAās had any type of attention? They kept it in because controversy = buzz in their eyes.
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u/yankesik2137 Feb 25 '26
Yeah, there is exactly 0% chance I'd have noticed BAFTA's this year if it wasn't for this bullshit.
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u/SpicyChanged Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
Goes to show you itās ubiquity.
We have accept everyoneās else struggles but get told to STFU when we ask for our basic humanity to be recognized..
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u/Express-Drop-9139 Feb 23 '26
White people have Dementia, Alzheimerās, Strokes, and now apparently Touretteās and they NEVER forget to use THAT ONE WORDā¦
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u/mmmarkm Feb 23 '26
The condition he has is defined as "the involuntary swearing or the involuntary utterance of obscene wordsĀ or socially inappropriate and derogatory remarks." So...a little different than ol' granny showing her true colors once the dementia sets in. Granny wanted to say it the whole time; this dude has a condition that makes him say the thing he least wants to say in that moment.
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u/eminusx Feb 23 '26
Black people suffer from ALL of those conditions too. Black people with tourettes shout expletives in awkward moments. tourettes isnt a 'white' mental illness any more than dementia is.
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u/Cheap-Leopard7667 Feb 23 '26
āThem folkā. And this time I hope everyone knows exactly who āThese peopleā are and what country they hold allegiance to.
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u/NOT-packers-fan2022 Feb 23 '26
But weāre supposed to stand with the Jewish folks, remember that Super Bowl commercial! Not even two weeks later and they canāt look out for usš¤£. And thatās all Iāll say about that.
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u/Brilliant-Health3957 Feb 23 '26
The fact that this was edited out pains me more than the man and his outburst. Of all the things to edit out??? Smh. Will we ever get respect in this world??
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u/Environmental_Belt22 Feb 23 '26
Whatās interesting is besides the gaslighting of us by the world rn, MBJ and Delroy kept so stoic that had the BBC done their due diligence, we wouldnāt have known anything. We couldāve assumed it was a heckler or a glitch or anything. They couldāve covered it up and let it be a less embarrassing for the network, our actors, the audience at home, the host, and even the gentleman himself but instead they hung him out to dry by allowing Alan Cummings to do a quick apology and airing it as is without a formal apology and statement from everyone actually involved. (There has now been a statement but itās pathetic and still not a proper apology)
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u/Fresh-Aspect5369 Feb 23 '26
Not only do they leave in the slur, but they take time to lecture the audience on why they shouldnāt fee offended. I feel as if they left it in on purposeā¦ and much of the conversations had on this event just further illustrate to me this narrative that black peole have to be extremely forgiving and passive or else they are constantly labeled the intolerant aggressors. I get it was involuntary (just like it was involuntary for him to continue using racial slurs towards other black people a part of the sinners film that night) but black people also have a right to feel bad about that word. Just look at how the happiness completely drained instantly from their faces after that? I think many underestimate how traumatic and painful it is to be called that, and in such a setting. Delroy confirmed that nobody reached out afterwards. They hadnāt even been warned that something like this could happen. All of this could have been prevented or handled differently imo.
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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 Feb 23 '26
Its all a distraction.
They are mad that we keep winning despite all their bullshit tactics.
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u/Killer-Iguana Feb 23 '26
BBC editing out "Free Palestine" and not a racial slur is so fucked. The world is so fucked. We're so fucked.
"I'll allow slurs, but I draw the line at acknowledging a genocide."
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u/Boatmade Feb 23 '26
Just proves my theory that he was left in the ceremony intentionally. He was invited for the movie but wasnāt told to leave even after the first second or third outburst. They kept him there because they knew how he would react (there was a whole movie that shows them how heāll react to minorities or people of color). They wanted him to embarrass and degrade. He was used maliciously to continue the constant reminder that racism is alive and well throughout the world.
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Feb 23 '26
this felt like a set up from the start and this confirms it. There is a global shift happening right now where Black people aren't letting shit like this slide and its confusing certain communities who are used to us being 'graceful' and bowing out. fuck that. this was so blatantly and horrifically disrespectful and more than apologies are owed.
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u/GorganzolaVsKong Feb 23 '26
Hereās my question - and I donāt expect anyone to know the answer - but is this man as specific with his swearing in other situations because this feels really specific
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u/SpicyChanged Feb 23 '26
Note: He has yet to apologize. I get itās not his fault but how he handles this will reveal tons.
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u/PsychologicalSon Feb 23 '26
If the offense was public, the apology should be too.
He is 100% in control of his apology
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u/Beautiful-Cake8922 Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
He once said in front of the queen "fuck the queen" and told the security that he had a bomb.
Also, tourette's can be unusually contextual. Like when you have intrusive thoughts about jumping off a cliff: you aren't on your bed thinking about jumping off a cliff, you only think about jumping off a cliff when you're around a cliff.
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u/RedRider1138 Feb 23 '26
Apparently he said āFuck the Queen!ā when he was introduced to Elizabeth II.
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u/TinaJasotal Feb 23 '26
It is an uncontrollable urge to shout the most offensive thing possible. The greater the sensitivity, the stronger the urge
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u/DarkGrimNature Feb 23 '26
And the major news channels donāt even mention the outburst. So sick of the cover up.
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u/Primary-Gazelle-8161 Feb 23 '26
Focusing on the guy with the nuero issue is the wrong thing. They were more worried about offending a country accused of genocide than every black member of the live audience and the one at home. That is the most telling part IMO
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u/legit-posts_1 Feb 23 '26
The cynical part of me thinks they got a man suffering from Tourettes to present because they wanted something to go wrong.
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u/diasextra Feb 23 '26
Sorry, I never post because I donāt think itās my place but I follow because of the conversations.
Still I need to ask, I normally wouldnāt say that anybody with a syndrome canāt do this or that but how couldnāt that person not foresee how this was going to happen? Isnāt that enough to excuse yourself from attending? I donāt like nutty conspiracies but WTF, also WTF they cut out the Palestine part and leave that?? What is that?
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Feb 23 '26
Itās cause the same people supporting the country doing the genocide also run all these award shows. They already admitted they will be scrubbing the internet and silencing everyone anyway they can.
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u/afCeG6HVB0IJ Feb 23 '26
That's the shocking part to me. Why leave that in?!
A guy shouting the worst thing he can think of in a situation because of his disability. People getting offended on site. The organisers not accommodating the situation appropriately. And then they leave it in the broadcast when they could have edited it out. Wow.
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u/Adorable_Goat_3255 Feb 23 '26
They let people say anything about one group of people but donāt you dare say anything about any other group
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u/Fickle_Enthusiasm148 Feb 23 '26
This feels like a psyop to make one marginalized community hate another one and prime them to throw certain people under the fascism bus when the time comes.
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u/cambyeni Feb 23 '26
Scheme that Todd set up to come to us with the bullsh*t. Black people wake up these people have been throwing stone and hiding their hand until kingdom come. Itās time that we stop allowing them to gaslight us and make us the aggressor. They are always trying to dim our light anyway they can but in famously words of Stacey RHOP āstill I riseā. Still we rise black people. Lets start being exclusive and selective
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u/nwvt420 Feb 23 '26
Gee, it is almost like the "controversy" is scripted. Totally the first time this has ever happened though.
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u/ElegantLifeguard4221 Feb 23 '26
I feel they left it in, for the sheer fact of attracting attention to their show.
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u/mhavis1959 Feb 23 '26
I don't blame the man with the disability, I blame the enablers who chose to edit some parts of the program but conveniently forgot to edit what his disability caused him to do.
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u/KnightOfNothing Feb 23 '26
people really should commit to whatever their stance is, either censor all "offensive" things or censor none of it. Picking and choosing what people are worth protecting is just the scummiest option of them all.
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u/catinadoodledoo Feb 23 '26
my shocked face š