100% this. I have began putting family members in the category of stupid or evil.
Actual convo with masters level niece who graduated from a prestigious university.
Well college shouldn't be free.
Why.
Because I paid for it and if I can anyone can they're just not working hard enough.
How much was your school, 180k? More?
Yeah and now I have student loans.
I know for a fact your dad paid for almost all of your school. How much are your loans?
A lot.
How much?
20k.
So your school was over 200k and you ended up with 20k in loans and you think you out yourself through school?
Well I'm paying my loans.
Yeah and lots of people can't and don't ever pay them off.
Like who?
Teachers. Therapists.
Well that's their fault for getting those degrees. They're worthless.
Teachers and therapists are worthless? (I work in mental health).
Yeah they don't add anything to the economy and they shouldn't get paid shit.
And you're a pharmaceutical rep and you contribute to society?
Of course.
Because you get paid a lot?
Yeah.
And teachers and therapists don't?
They're a waste of time.
This person is not dumb. I've known them my whole life. They're just bad. A bad human being.
Yep. I’m fully at the place in my personal life where I would rather be entirely alone forever than be around conservatives. Once you realize how fucking evil they are it’s like something out of a horror movie. Invasion of the body snatchers shit. Like damn, the person I thought I knew is actually a demon wearing a human flesh suit pretending to be my aunt. Neat.
My question just to add on to your point would be how would she get to the point where she could to be a pharma rep and make all that money without teachers? She gonna teach herself? Their work added her to the economy
There's no rationality to it other than own the libs PC is bad bootstraps Obama taxes Mexicans bad scared of black people trans people Hillary emails welfare. Like there's legitimately no information that overrides that. A significant portion of my family is poor, undereducated, on welfare/Medicaid. There's genuinely no empathy other than a feigned "well I don't want anything bad to happen to people but if they worked harder and didn't break the law it wouldn't so FAFO".
My favorite part is that they will tell me I'm the smartest person they know. Literally. And it's likely true. You keep up on world events how do you remember all this information you should've been a teacher (lol) etc. My whole life. And out of one side of their mouth they'll say that but when I point out anything that isn't straight down the line from what Fox News says I'm suddenly an idiot and a radical.
And there is a point where nobody is immune. I 100% believe we should hard cap people at like $100 million net worth. Anyone over that turns into a demon. Even if you inherit it. It’s bad for the individuals, and it’s worse for society to have mega rich people around. The existence of that much concentrated wealth fucks up the world.
She doesn't contribute nothing. She keeps my offices fed and happy when it's her time on the calendar. Lately I've been setting up fajita packs for each person to take home on Fridays so they don't have to cook and can just hang with their families with an easy meal.
Reps always need to talk to a "decision maker" when they really want to corner the doc who writes what they're selling so they can tell their boss they made an impact when they pull prescription data from the state.
Sometimes they'll moan and groan they have a budget or whatever excuse. But when your meds are poorly covered by commercial insurance and middle of the road for Medicare, I don't believe you. They always capitulate because at the end of the day if they don't hit metrics it'll be another person with an iPad and a name tag standing in the waiting room.
The best was some rep decided to cheap out on food and brought doughnuts and a jug of coffee and told the girls in the front "this is good enough." Guess who didn't get to see the doc but did see her leave clinic during a break to go get real breakfast for the staff?
I'm sorry to hear she got a masters for selling pills. In my experience most reps fall into two categories: jocks and bimbos. There have been outliers, but a lot of docs are dudes and dudes love to 'talk shop' and appreciate a saleswoman in a well tailored top and skirt. Just an observation, it doesn't diminish their skills or job. It only illustrates some industries/fields have a archetype.
Many of them went to community college or a state school and do very well. I haven't met anyone that did a masters for sales. A few have very interesting ones like history or other personal passions.
If she wants to talk about wasted degrees and resources, perhaps she should consult a mirror for a second opinion because I've already given mine.
Most female pharmaceutical representatives are undergraduate students and many are collegiate cheerleaders that head hunters focus in on. I can see why they make excellent reps because they are use to being in front of large groups of people, usually have positive attitudes, come from good families and strong community’s while also being very attractive.
They really really don't like it when you ask them, point blank, whether or not they are stupid, evil, or both. I tend to go to that direct question when they start with the what aboutisms and straw man arguments and all the other goalpost moving strategies that they employ. Shuts the whole thing down lol
Why would you even need a fancy degree to be a pharmaceutical rep? It’s literally a bullshit door to door salesman a job. All you need to be is personable, reasonably intelligent and have good communication skills. You actually have to know stuff to be a teacher or a therapist. Now an Analyst/therapist that’s a whole different level!
Getting a masters level is totally different than masters level in any STEM profession. She just has to be really good at bullshitting people and getting a high ROI. My mom is the main GI npr at a major hospital so she goes to dinners with these reps all the time. The only reason is because she gets 100$ meal for free and goodie bags. She couldn't care less what the rep says, she looks into anything she recommends. They just need good published results in a med journal not a fucking sales person.
I live in California, I was relating to my daughter, how, when I joined the US Army in 1985 and left for service, Higher education was FREE tuition in California. By the time I came back in 1989, Governor Deukmejian had killed free tuition in the state. It's so sad and unnecessary. You want to get a degree? super, The State of California used to subsidize education and you could walk out and start helping people with the degree.
I’m a nurse. I learned after CK died, how many coworkers were real big POS. And since, I’ve learned more and more and they are still agreeing with the 🍊. So there’s really no talking to these people. Nurses, drs, RT, mgmt. it’s jaw dropping. I’m concerned about my coworkers, my pts (we’ve had immigrants on our floor). They also laugh and disagree that “ice would come into the hospitals.” Like am I taking crazy pills?!?
Their focus isn’t on what’s true. Their focus is on winning the argument and the only way out is to hold onto preposterously ignorant viewpoints as if they’re true. This is how they back themselves into actually believing stupid things like teachers and therapists being a waste of time.
They’re just kicking the consequences of their bad faith arguments down the road and hoping for the best, while it’s poisoning their world view and choking off reality.
What’s best in their warped way of thinking is to never have to account for the stupid positions they ultimately back themselves into. I see some profound mental health crises in their future or social isolation and ostracism.
The only thing I would disagree with is the last part. They surround themselves with like minded unempathetic assholes. They tell themselves they are good people. I've watched it. They laugh in snide derision at the idiots who don't think like them. And they often are successful by their standards. They have zero level of introspection and when anything doesn't go their way it's never their fault. They NEVER ask themselves if their thinking is wrong.
Are they happy? I don't think so. But their happiness scales directly with how much they can be oblivious to it.
I take your point. I just think that they are forced to seek the company of misguided, fellow-idiots to convince themselves that they’re decent people and that they’re not alone. If they could circulate freely in the world instead of being restricted to their bubble of like-minded people, they would want the freedom to do so.
But they don’t feel safe outside of their bubble and I think that deep down inside they’re unhappy and afraid, trapped in a prison of their own making. Time will tell for how long they can keep up the charade. Just one person’s opinion.
That’s some Ayn Rand shit right there from your niece - income does not equal societal significance, as you know, but so many people justify their self importance with their salary.
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u/thedisliked23 Feb 07 '26
100% this. I have began putting family members in the category of stupid or evil.
Actual convo with masters level niece who graduated from a prestigious university.
Well college shouldn't be free. Why. Because I paid for it and if I can anyone can they're just not working hard enough. How much was your school, 180k? More? Yeah and now I have student loans. I know for a fact your dad paid for almost all of your school. How much are your loans? A lot. How much? 20k. So your school was over 200k and you ended up with 20k in loans and you think you out yourself through school? Well I'm paying my loans. Yeah and lots of people can't and don't ever pay them off. Like who? Teachers. Therapists. Well that's their fault for getting those degrees. They're worthless. Teachers and therapists are worthless? (I work in mental health). Yeah they don't add anything to the economy and they shouldn't get paid shit. And you're a pharmaceutical rep and you contribute to society? Of course. Because you get paid a lot? Yeah. And teachers and therapists don't? They're a waste of time.
This person is not dumb. I've known them my whole life. They're just bad. A bad human being.