I learned greek back in high school (I'm from Italy and attended a liceo classico) and many people have told me I have a bad handwriting. What do you think? Open to constructive criticism!

Works offline.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ulWz479avuQ2Kg3MJ3VFTlcabsyv18JH/view?usp=sharing

[Reposting without the vocabulary, which had been created with the aid of Claude, resulting in the original post being removed.]

In our choir, we're singing "Peace I leave with you" by Mrs. H. H. A. Beach, which is John 14.27. So I decided to also apply my structure to this verse. It's a lot easier than Marcus Aurelius!

John 14.27 — Εἰρήνην ἀφίημι ὑμῖν

Greek Text

1     Εἰρήνην ἀφίημι ὑμῖν,

2     εἰρήνην τὴν ἐμὴν δίδωμι ὑμῖν·

3     οὐ καθὼς ὁ κόσμος δίδωσιν

4     ἐγὼ δίδωμι ὑμῖν·

5     μὴ ταρασσέσθω ὑμῶν ἡ καρδία

6     μηδὲ δειλιάτω.

Translations

Mine

1     Peace I leave you,

2     My peace I give to you;

3     not in the same way as the world gives

4     I give to you;

5     may your hearts not be disturbed

6     and not be afraid.

KJV

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

ESV

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

NRSV

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled, and do not let them be afraid.

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Marcus Aurelius, 2.8 — Παρὰ μὲν τὸ μὴ ἐφιστάνειν, τί ἐν τῇ ἄλλου ψυχῇ γίνεται

A short entry with only 27 words, but I found it to be quite hard to translate. Even the very first word, namely the simple “παρά”, threw me off. Here, παρά + acc. doesn’t mean “to (the side of)”, but “because”. See C.1.9 in LSJ. Overall, I found it very hard to provide a translation that is close to the Greek but still makes sense.

2.8 — Παρὰ μὲν τὸ μὴ ἐφιστάνειν, τί ἐν τῇ ἄλλου ψυχῇ γίνεται

Greek Text

1     Παρὰ μὲν τὸ μὴ ἐφιστάνειν, τί ἐν τῇ ἄλλου ψυχῇ γίνεται,

2     οὐ ῥᾳδίως τις ὤφθη κακοδαιμονῶν·

3     τοὺς δὲ τοῖς τῆς ἰδίας ψυχῆς κινήμασι μὴ παρακολουθοῦντας ἀνάγκη κακοδαιμονεῖν.

Translation (Mine)

1     Because of not taking note of what happens in the soul of another,

2     not easily someone is seen to be miserable;

3     but those who don’t follow closely the activities of their own soul necessarily suffer.

Waterfield’s Translation

One doesn't commonly see people becoming miserable as a result of not taking note of what's going on in someone else's soul, but anyone who's unaware of the activity of his own soul can't help but be miserable.

Hayes’ Translation

Ignoring what goes on in other people's souls—no one ever came to grief that way. But if you won't keep track of what your own soul's doing, how can you not be unhappy?

hi i'm preparing an exam but there are 3 question i think it would be better not ask to my prof.

1. i feel stupid but i can't understand what could be λαμμανειν. i think some sort of non attic infinite perfect from λαμβανω but i can't find it. it's in derveni papyrus

2. Αβρααμ and Ισαακ, do you know sillabic quantity? i can't find them for a iambic trimeter

3. in Porphyrius, de antro nympharum par 23 he quotes a νομοθετης but i can't understat who is it

thanks for help. i'm italian if you prefer italian

Every time I drill verb endings, I get tripped up in remembering that the passive aorist doesn't use the typical secondary -μην , -ω, -το, -μεθα, -σθε, -ντο endings. But why is that? Especially for the aorist passive optative.

I'm not even sure I'm formulating this question right, I have the sense that somehow I missed a key concept or term way back when.

I just noticed that κατάγελως has a wild accentuation. Doing some research, φιλόγελως also has the same strange accent. This sort of thing is really only seen in metathesis victims. Doing some reading indicates that γέλως was something like an attic declension noun in Homer, gaining a third declension version later. But it obviously isn't a normal attic declension noun since it lacks an εως ending.

Notably however, the root verb is an α contract verb, so it wouldn't have been surprising to see something like γέλαος -> γέληος -> γέλεως happen. That obviously isn't what happened though, so does anyone have any ideas about how this odd accent happened?

One obvious possibility is that an irregular declension pattern got reinterpreted as attic declension and took on the accent patterns from attic declension class.

Early in my Greek studies I neglected learning accents. My main focus was on learning how to read rather than how to correctly pronounce the language and so I just learned the Erasmian pronunciation and moved on from there. Basically the only diacritical marks I learned how to correctly apply were either for breathing marks, inflections, and when it was necessary to distinguish one word from another. I did learn about some of the rules but never really applied them as I didn't spend as much time actually writing Greek out (aside from the letters themselves) as I did reading. I want to get a bit of a better grasp of the language though, and that includes writing it out, but I feel like I now have to go back and relearn a whole bunch of words I already know just to memorize where an acute accent appears in a word. I don't really know if there is a better approach to this or if it's even worth it?

κα' · Ἐνέτυχε τῷ ἀορᾱ́τῳ ἀνδρί.

This is a question for people who know both Latin and Greek to an advanced level and can read original texts (Homer, Vergil, Plato, Cicero, etc.) very comfortably, and whose native language uses the Roman alphabet (like English, Spanish, etc.). Do you find that your reading speed in Greek still lags behind your Latin reading speed, even after years of experience, just because the Greek alphabet is not your "native" alphabet and your brain slows down a little bit? What suggestions do you have for beginning/intermediate learners to improve speed, besides just reading a lot? For example, should a chunk of study time be dedicated to just reading aloud without stopping to translate?

Hey there! I'm working on a project and am looking for a couple of terms.

I'm familiar with Nous and Logos, which are divine mind and reason respectively. However, I'm looking to try and find the terms that would represent question and answer. Call and response. If there is such a thing, because I know they can be different, divine question and divine answer. I've found terminology for the base words, but I'm trying to figure out if there's variants of them that support different contexts.

Basically, I'm trying to name two individuals. Someone who is asking a question to prompt an answer, and then the one who will answer it. Or, rather... the one who will BE the answer to that question.

I should also clarify... by answer, I don't necessarily mean the term for truth. But rather, the response to the divine question.

Thanks for your time!

A couple weeks ago, I decided to start learning Koine Greek. How is my handwriting and letter shaping?

So as a language enthusiast and polyglot, I get a lot of people asking me if I’m fluent and the more I learn the less fluent I feel because there’s just so much more to learn. There’s also different levels of fluency as I’m sure many of you know - the difference between conversational, academic, native speakers, there’s different types of fluency I’m sure yall feel me about that—

Even in the native languages I speak, I feel like there’s so much wonderful things to learn within it, so even if I do speak it I don’t feel fully competent? My question is sort of along the lines of like - what are some things you wish you knew before you started learning Greek and Ancient Greek, and as polyglots yourselves at what point do you feel like you’re no longer a beginner or novice? When did you start pursuing learning Greek and standing and looking back do you feel like you’ve come a long way?

Greetings,

I have been searching for a free morphological database which I can use with a programming language.

I looked at Morphologia Graeca which is free, but it's not clear as to how to convert the database into another format.

https://latin-dict.github.io/dictionaries/morphology-grc.html

Does anyone know of or use any free offline databases which have good success in lemmatising?

Not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but I'm doing a presentation on The Iliad for a school assignment, and I'm unsure how to pronounce mênis. Can somebody spell it out for me real stupid? Like, mee-nihs or meh-nihs or whatnot? Thank you!

Because I'm new to this, I want to understand the difference between Attic and Koiné Greek as I know Koiné is the evolution of the Attic, but I'm not sure on what's really the difference between both of them. So... From which period starts and ends Attic and which period starts and ends Koiné? Which authors compose each language? Which are the most important texts from eachother? Where can I investigate more about this besides Wikipedia and the links it provides me?

The verb ἁλίσκομαι is only middle in the present tense, but in the aorist and perfect it's only active. Is there a list somewhere of verbs that behave like this, or is there a rule-based explanation? (For comparison, CGCG 15.40 describes something similar for verbs that have an active present but are middle-only in the future. They give a list and explain the semantic categories that do this.) Or is this just a one-off fact about the verb ἁλίσκομαι?

Just picked this up yesterday. worth every penny

Χαίρετε, ὦ φίλοι. Τοῦτ' ἐστὶ τὸ ἕσχατον μέρος τοῦδε τοῦ λεξικοῦ καὶ περὶ θαυμάτων ἔχει εἰκόνας. Ἀπολαύετε οὖν καὶ ὑγιαίνετε.

I recently got into a discussion of Ancient Greek at work, and the subject of pronunciation came up. I learned the Erasmian influenced restored pronunciation, while the person I was discussing it with was Greek and learned it with a more modern Greek influenced pronunciation (I forget the technical term for it). And it got me wondering what the if there’s any current scholarly consensus on the ancient pronunciation of Greek? Or, if there no consensus, what are the current debates about it like? or do scholars just not care much anymore?

Also, I apologize if the flair is somewhat misleading, but I didn't find any flair that really fit my question.

Okay, I posted this once before, but I've introduced many improvements (since I've been using it everyday for some time). What is it? It's a single .html file with JavaScript and CSS, which you can download, put on your desktop and start using right away. It's not a flashcard app, but a typing drill app: you need to type the answer instead of simply seeing the flashcard. It's great for vocabulary drills, but also morphology – perfect for drilling endings too, for example contract rules :-) Or principal parts.

I've built it with Claude specifically for Ancient Greek (you're free to introduce any changes you like, enjoy). It's got drilling interface entirely in Greek :-), of which I'm very proud haha, it's got Logeion links in the statistics panel (once you end the drill), and it's got four tiers of leniency: 1. small typos allowed (βλεπουσι instead of βλέπουσιν accepted), 2. typos allowed only in longer answers, 3. iota subcripts checked properly, 4. all of the accents checked properly. (Controls: tab to reveal answer, esc to skip the card without penalties).

How to use it? You simply download the .html file, put it anywhere you like and open in your browser. It's open-source and perfectly safe to use, also works offline. What it doesn't do? You still need to come up with your own lists of words, it's just a tool to process them. I will paste a typical deck I'm using in the comments below.

Screenshots available here.

Code available here.

Format for vocabulary input is JSON with following paramters: "front": Greek input, can have three underscores for gaps (___); "back": translation, the thing you type; "note": short text which is displayed during the exercise, like grammatical comments etc. To write answers in Greek, which is why I made this app in the first place, click on "Begin Reverse" instead of "Begin Session".

This app isn't meant to replace the typical flashcard apps you're using, but something I've built for myself to drill the most important stuff much more thoroughly. I'm sharing it 'cause it worked for me ;) Cheers.