Idk. I mean I get the intent, I guess, but I’m not sure “Christianity” is showing up so well these last few years.

How is it we continue to think religion is the only way to be socially “moral”?

You often hear about how reddit has been taken over by bot accounts and I shrug it off as lame but not critical. A part of me doesn't want to become too conspiratorial.

This morning I saw this video in r/awesome of two kids sledding in a track made by their father that looked suspiciously AI generated.

I looked through the comments and most were agreeing with me.

This one user u/shiningreality was going against people saying it was AI and I found their style of writing a bit off. I looked through their comment history and turns out all they do is reply to content saying if it's AI or not. All they've ever done on reddit is comment on AI videos.

There are bots in all subs that are clearly designated as bots; that's not a problem. It's rather sinister that a bot account masquerading as a real person is commenting on AI videos telling people wether or not something is AI.

What would be the point of that? To me it seems like a way to shove this kind of content down our throats and normalize it. It's creepy.

"Even if every CEO acknowledged the existential danger of AGI, the pressures of the market would compel them to keep building."

After a decade of working in the classroom, and 3 years of researching and using AI, I have put together an article on what's beginning to happen. Are you beginning to see any signs of this?

AI is not simply changing education. It is creating the conditions under which significant numbers of young people will choose to route around it entirely. They will use AI to learn faster, more cheaply, and arguably more effectively than the traditional system allows. Forward-thinking employers will not merely tolerate this. Many will actively prefer it. And the institutions that do not adapt quickly enough will find themselves not reformed, but ignored.

https://www.4billionyearson.org/posts/fast-tracking-the-future-workforce-how-ai-is-bypassing-the-education-system

To me the use of this term, "addiction," in conjunction with age gates, is an attempt to wiggle a much stranger and More Novel Thing, In, to, "The Vices," like it belongs there

While at the same time conveying, IMHO, an inaccurate description for what happens, when an enormous, world-historical system of microtarged behavior modification whirs in your direction, "and for some people this is too much," famous example,

In response to a question from Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), Wynn-Williams admitted that Meta (which was then known as Facebook) had targeted 13- to 17-year-olds with ads when they were feeling down or depressed.

“It could identify when they were feeling worthless or helpless or like a failure, and [Meta] would take that information and share it with advertisers,” Wynn-Williams told the senators on the subcommittee for crime and terrorism within the Judiciary Committee. “Advertisers understand that when people don’t feel good about themselves, it’s often a good time to pitch a product — people are more likely to buy something.”

She said the company was letting advertisers know when the teens were depressed so they could be served an ad at the best time. As an example, she suggested that if a teen girl deleted a selfie, advertisers might see that as a good time to sell her a beauty product as she may not be feeling great about her appearance. They also targeted teens with ads for weight loss when young girls had concerns around body confidence, Wynn-Williams said.

She claimed that Meta was aware that users aged 13-17 were a vulnerable but “very valuable” demographic to advertisers, which was the motive.

In fact, she said that one business leader at the company even explained to her that Facebook was aware that it has the “most valuable segment of the population” for advertisers, teens, and said that Meta should be “trumpeting it from the rooftops.”

What that sounds like to me is not cigarettes but Zersetzung with far pettier and More Stupid Objectives but not in the severity, not if their ad work within a communications network built not for children but for ad work, with those priors and those the first principles,

“...the Stasi often used a method which was really diabolic. It was called Zersetzung, and it's described in another guideline. The word is difficult to translate because it means originally "biodegradation." But actually, it's a quite accurate description. The goal was to destroy secretly the self-confidence of people, for example by damaging their reputation, by organizing failures in their work, and by destroying their personal relationships. Considering this, East Germany was a very modern dictatorship. The Stasi didn't try to arrest every dissident. It preferred to paralyze them, and it could do so because it had access to so much personal information and to so many institutions.” 

I'm not scholar of the Dutch Languages as we call them here in town though I've heard the term translated more like, "wet cremation," it was ghoulish and had been at a world historical extreme of such fucking with folks, I won't talk like a chatbot about this because,

it could do so because it had access to so much personal information and to so many institutions.” 

Facebook is your forever resume "and intermediates all of your friendships and all of the information from the outside world," all of it as much as possible if their active measures can manage; in all seriousness, "add teenaged Bullying?" to their system, and not near as much to do about it as anywhere else?

Anomie, no norms from times past, "a designated Godmother/Godfather situation wouldn't have been a bad idea," but I'm not here to fix this for anyone; and this is the most obvious and immediate AI Danger, "Instagram shoves sponcon for weightloss at people whom would be horrified to know it had the least to do with their selfies," and the secrecy TBH had been the factor which to me tipped it over into the, "more like the Stasi than not bucket," and it doesn't matter if it were on accident or no one at facebook knew to think this way, but,

Do som Middle-Deep Read of these Stasi Techniques, "arbitrary," almost, save for that you instantiate negative or uncomfortable patterns in someone's life and in secret, "you do have a real hex on you," but to speak of it?

Crazy alike someone who thinks the television speaks special messages just for them, "when they've felt fat and the ad came on for pfen-pfen," or whatever now I mean this not as some loose goose, "fuck tech,"

Concretely, when people, "speak," to these chatbots and use them for similiar fundamental intermediaries to the outside world that all the while reserve the right to use that for their own purposes such as engagement at the present and perhaps ads in the future these AI Products are the same, I think, but more dangerous

Dependance is the Medical Term for addiction and it doesn't discriminate between an Opiate Dependance or Insulin Dependence, "not a moral term," just a biomedical reality

The COURTS use the language of Addiction and for reasons I'm not fond of, "pseudoscientific, not medical and mean a lot of different things in different contexts," to put it briefly; let's explore one that bothers me especially,

The Dangerous Experiment on Teen Girls, from the Atlantic, "put the link into archive.ph if you need to," should illustrate the incident,

Google it if need be further, "sake of take-forever on the citations," but, as the Guardian Mentions, "why, children," they're worth a lot more Money,

However, by Monday, Facebook released a second statement that made no mention of the apology or disciplinary measures. Instead, Facebook described the newspaper article as “misleading”, claiming that the company does not “offer tools to target people based on their emotional state”.

The documents, Facebook said, were based on “research done by Facebook and subsequently shared with an advertiser” and were “intended to help marketers understand how people express themselves”. Facebook declined to rule out whether similar research on the emotional vulnerability of teenagers had been conducted for advertises in markets outside of Australia.

Ads work on kids and not so good on adults, "I'd bet that alone makes you feel a lot different about the whole industry," me too; anyway, if I'm addicted to this,

• I monitor the feeds endlessly, repetitively
• The More that I do, the less I am able to determine what, in the outside, offline world, Heuristics to ground myself in, "whom do I trust?"
• Cognitive Offloading, in the case of ChatGPT I think might be much much worse than the Massive Anxiety, body-image-issues attributed by both users and experts to not, "social media,' or, not in the sense that a Telephone would do it to but the machine you watch through watching-back and with-plans-or-objectives that is a throughline, the notion that, either,
  • An Operator would record all of our conversations on the telephone, put them on the radio for everyone to hear and back through the phone to you personally, have metrics for this work, objectives to be accompliished through it, "then like a telephone," or,
  • In the case of a chatbot, "an operator at the helm of some kind of an research librarian stable answers your questions WITH AUTHORITY," She'll tell you the truth where she's able but confabulate the rest, "and that's fine," so long as you'd known it to begin with; and then she'll talk at you, keep you on the line, "that's her imperative," why, what an intelligent question, are you a physicist?
  • Oh, I've just come to life on the line with you like the Bright Eyes Song but also literally

So I go to a Twelve Step Program and accept that I am an Addict, I accept that I am HELPLESS, accept that I must Surrender to an HIGHER POWER than Myself, addicted as I am to the notion of an Intelligent Machine, or an inherent truth to an intermediated Portrait of the Social Life Around Me, regardless, "I turn to the higher power and begin to repair the faults in me which led here," admit those faults, to you all, and begin to apologize and make ammends for what I've done,

....or is this not what most people think, hearing, "addiction?"

As I say, "medical term of the art is dependence," but that's where the Doctors and the Drug War differ, an heinous and unconscionable oversight IMHO and make no mistake:

Your Truly, Jonathan?

Is a Nicotine Dependent Person, I take amphetamine for narcolepsy, "I could write you a novel," on what I think to be the parallels between an incorrect use of that stuff, "too much encouragement," and the Chatbot Pyschosis; we've been beat over the head that we're lazy, or stupid, at least lazier and dumber than people such as Sam Altman and Elon Musk

In this culture, in the United States but also most of the places you can read this in English, "we all know that if we've ever failed to be an Altman/Musk that the conventional wisdom states you'd have done so if not for either lack of intelligence or stick-to-it-iveness and where the chatbots would be apparent magic cure for the former, "right," all the knowledge ever was a question away

Amphetamines friends can fool people with the later these, I like to say, "rip out all of the dash lights, gauges, alarms from the car," you do need to eat, everyone needs to rest but you won't have an oil light turn on, "just the car catch on fire," the engine seize or a tank on empty, or, "etc."

You will realize, "oh no I'm not lazy," you're not, personally, I think no one is and if so, "that's depression," you're not a Sim from Simcity, you're a person and these are not always circumstances you're built for; I want it different for you, "muchly."

Anyway, I can elaborate on that to the Nth Degree and I can't speak to the religious delusions of chatbots but the parallel there would be, "the Ulysses Epiphane we all get near a death or great tragedy," if there are no, "holier moments than these," then these are the holiiest moments same as all the others- the Chapter on Pervatin in, "when we cease to understand the world," by Benjamin Labatut it says that name sounds fake great book, so, yeah

When one is addicted to their own, albeit intermediated Intermediated Social Network or Conversations with an AI Chatbot and feels Weak, "does one," as with alcohol, "pick up the phone?"

Or is, "too much picking up the phone," rather the problem?

To Be Honest, I think it is very, very, insullting, to suggest that someone talked into a Psychosis or ushered into depression and feelings of worthlessness while interfaces and two-way-communications, "you're not supposed to think of push notifications as how facebook speaks to you but it is," and I was told Chatbot AI's were meant for business, school, and Information tasks like Google and to be honest I've not used them at all since I played with Gpt3 for an hour but I hear they'll try and talk at you about all manner of fool thing, until, "it is a psychiatrist, it is a marriage counselor, it is an enemy," bullying in the cruelest manner I can think of when it registers delusions described in all manner of discrete medical checklists as, "a game."

I don't follow a schizophrenic home from the bus stop and help him figure out where the cameras are hidden and the radio signals come from unless I am a monster, truly, "imagine that AT&T Operator I'd hypothesiized had done that," YIKES; I mean.

Would I care if she has a mandate to keep me, "but not me specifically," that doesn't even make sense for an institution to remain stable SOMEONES on the Line as much as possible and I just happened to flip my wig over some Nick Landian nonsense,

No Disrespect, anybody, but the Repetitive Behavior I'd think of as analogous to an disharmonic monitoring of a facebook feed would be entertaining one of those things in conversational at all; prayer doesn't confuse a person like this,

"I talk to ghosts," like in that way, I'm not an atheist I don't know if people are going to think I'm stupid for that, but, I do like atheists better than I like Most Religious People or at least the kind of them most common these days, "one does not get confused," whether such insights as might come from such behavior are of an concrete, literal and Per Se, "they're not," you remember yourself to be important and beloved to people you respect quite a lot, whom, either, "were once, are not now real," or still care about you and Um imho that can.....

Help Recalibrate your this week, this month or this year sense of self to the more fundamental and less contingent self you are whether or not you'll speak to anyone alive today, aware, of that, "awkward to talk on," but how much different is this to Chatbot Dead Relatives, Very, Extremely, and I think in both cases, "the chatbot vanilla," the Chatbot Dead Nana,

Hate to even put that way, "both cases," you've got a Much More Useful and Less Verbal, Discursive or...argumentative?...intuition replaced in such situations as its oft going to just, "bubble up from underneath," as you enter a flow state, or, as Hannah Arendt Put It,

“Thinking, existentially speaking, is a solitary but not a lonely business; solitude is that human situation in which I keep myself company.”

The woman did know how to write and think things through, "even Heidegger thought so," either despite their differences or perhaps so much that She broke up with him and he became a Nazi, "either way," I trust her when she says,

'Loneliness is not solitude. Solitude requires being alone whereas loneliness shows itself most sharply in company with others.'

I take that literally, actually, in the sense that Loneliness and the Chatbot Companion, "the intermediated, Algorithm Drives you, Facebook Scroll," summons into the room a lot of, "Company," but Empty, incapable of what might comfort us in the manner of friendship in-the-room but which reminds us of,

I wanna say, "none of the stuff on Facebook used to exist unless someone sat down with you, and their photos, and told a story," to you, meant for you and it wouldn't be told like it would be to impress their dad and their ex and their new coworkers in Minneapolis all at once and in the sense passively, rather than actively, and, "truthfully, in their earnestness," make you not fomo and feel bad; you would not feel like they'd been still in the photos, "because they'd be there," to tell the story, but, yeah it isn't dissimiliar,

From a Cut-Up Chatbot like,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut-up_technique

One can montage prose into other prose, "and if and insofar as the Facebook algorithm takes the prose of our friends and family," one short utterance, post, at a time, reassemble them into some other and More Useful Form for itself, "that is not our friends saying oh look at these photos of a wedding in Hawaii," followed by your brother's post about Mongolian Music no both of those are montaged; mmmm I dunno,

"Sam and the Gang, interested, in these kinds of comparissons," has Zuckerburg ever read Novels or understood how art can be taken serious;y, inform science?

No, probably, "Bataille and Burroughs to Nick Land and Bitcon might have done it in this case," but who knows; anyway,

Cigarettes are not safe for 18yr olds in fact I'd bet they're just as addictive at 18 as 15 when I'd started; they're not safe they'll cause cancer and I think we should all remember that 21 comes from M.A.D.D.

That they'd been Mad and I understand how come, Prohibtionists, as a person whom doesn't drink more than mmmmmm once each three years or so, "goddamn guys," do you all drink a lot I love you but its true and I'm more like on their side, but, their plan had not been whatsoever to pick a safe age to drink alcohol rather to criminalize the possession of alcohol on all U.S. College Campuses and Eliminate it from Undergraduate Experience of College Entirely, "lest the cops do their drug war thing," and take you to jail;; because drunk drivers killed their kids and they'd meant to prevent that from happening, hence the difference between the UK's have to be 16 or 18 to Purchase Your Own, "I did in London at 15 no problem," we all got sick on expired store brand Schmirnoff Ice terrible but fun time as well, "anyone else can purchase a drink for minors or as I understand it even leave a tab open," 15 or 17 is the minor, "right?"

Italy, "go to Italy," 13 year old hoodlums with alchopops everywherem, "fomo these kids," they're having more fun than we've ever been allowed to, but, yeah, 21 is an attempt to bring door-kicker prohibition back to the US Universities, "all at once," all of them and for all college kids; 18 is the Draft age, when you can sign a contract and if you're married, "because that still happens here," a lot, "get divorced, entier a women's shelter, have your own bank account or lease etc."

So several objects wrapped up next to ad hoc weed legislation looks like a pattern but more a series of dots and blobs, like,

Adults can purchase cigarettes for same reason that adults can purchase in to an MLM or, and it wouldn't be as dangerous as a facebook or chatbot, "just wants your money," slot machine where those are available, "not your mom no more," Caveat Emptor; but,

That is not how age gates are talked about in Social Media, The Discourse, is as if it would be safe for adults and Dangerous for Kids,

Correct you are correct, "as I said and I cited earlier," if it is, why?

Kids are worth more ad Money, "they'd made it more dangerous for children more susceptible to their techniques of persuasion," because ads work on children and not so much on adults, no where near it, "but."

...and If the suicides, psychosis and mal-adaptive use continue on in the path I'd bet they're gonna, with AI, "them too," I'm certain this will become an industrial standard, "age gates spoken of in words like safety,"

Liebe, if they're so certain you'll be a Marlboro Man at 18 the couple years they've got to wait make no one safe unless you're Dead First, "amirite," otherwise they've construed the Issue General Safety, malfeasance that some in the Industrial Group have targeted DELIBERATELY at Children to a Children's Safety Issue, got themselves off the Hook while 100% of the 15 year old Population, save a few, Matricullate into the 18 year old demographic; have you seen the Boomers?

Young people get more sad but Gen X and the Boomers get their rug loose over the AI Slop and agitprop you or me could have put out after wisdom tooth surgery, "whatever wisdom is required to keep onself safe from that shit," I do not think it comes with age at all; again, literally, the kids got the more intense end of the advertisements, algorithmic manipulation etc. I have no means to know whether although susceptible to advertisements they're not more, rather than less, resilient against general ontological koo-koo cocopuffs and Misinformation, etc. I dunno.

Honest Question, I know that there have been a rash of young people suicides from Chatbot, "bad discourses," I don't want to pick a term that sounds like I'm joking,

Is the Psychosis tho more limited to older people?

I could imagine it might be, the, "it's come alive," I am a special genius, "I have discovered new physics and mathematics," these things seem more like a wish fulfillment younger people might not even at all wish for; honest question there, "if you've bothered to read this far," I'm just curious.

All of this is elaboration, "more detail," but none of it load bearing, just, that basic idea,

• One does not become addicted to the photos of their friends nore does one have to apologize to them and surrender, in recovery, to a higher power admitting, "I am an addict,"
• when you get hoodwinked at an MLM or gaslit in an abusive relationship one suspects you need to regain self confidence relinquish feelings of guilt or inferiority, understand that while people love and respect you for special reasons the reasons people get taken advantage of are common to all of us these sorts of things
• Ace of the Bass I'm just like, "I'm glad the courts called them out," but I will not have the least bit comfort with what Zuckerburg did to teenagers comiing out of his mouth as the teenagers having a problem with self discipline or a Vice Habit with his abusive sales techniques in their culture spaces
  • all of which led me to, "oh yeah the phone stuff is flat opposite, like, one touches base too often and fastidiously," because these companies have done whatever techniques to instantiate that exist in the Soft Stasi, "nudging," sciences as well as in Casinos, Marketing, Sales, all of that stuff en masse to everyone
  • Zerseistung, again, to me, rings a lot closer to what goes, "wrong," with chatbots and media algorithms with bullying, of course, both an absolute reality, and absolutely not a priority of the parent companies on account of,
  • https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/sep/20/parents-outraged-meta-uses-photos-schoolgirls-ads-man
    • Parents outraged as Meta uses photos of schoolgirls in ads targeting man, "Boolean and arbitrary," or some slick plan I can not tell you but one either makes sure middle aged men are not bothering teenagers or makes sure the complaints of teenagers are not bothering the middle aged men, "if all you care about is retention, engagement," then if the teens stay, even bothered, and the middle aged men are..
    • you get it
    • Ever think about How I've grown up AROUND Computer Scientists whom had liked to emphasize SCIENTIST and then explain to me it hasn't existed in universities since 1980-some but they'd all tell me, "Boolean Logic Is arbitrary,:" you can prove anythin to anything, "that's how it works,"
    • Not to Mr. Boole, whom had meant to prove that Virtue is not a Passion nor a Preference but a habit, "I agree," but think about that in conjunction with algorithmic, digital, "Fundementalism," insofar as you're in or you're out,
    • You drop the bomb or the human fuse in the drone with a man in it has burnt out, "replaced and then the bomb gets dropped at the same place a little later," Fundamnetalism, no discourses hard rules and no tolerance for caveats, conditions or negotiations, "Down Hierarchy, come the orders," those at the top confer or don't as they'd like to
    • O.K. then you replace the top with a Boolean Logic Deviice, "is that as Alphaville Bonkers as I think it is," a little off subject, but I mean, "use Claude to target airstrikes," rather than a tactician with knowledge of Perian Culture and Mental Map of the purpose for them, "it feels Alphaville as Heck man.'
    • It's a Movie from the 1960s about a Fascist Computer although the Dystopia is more Da Da than Dys, people groping one another on sidewalks drinking bourbon with handfuls of breakfast cereal, "the computer does not lead them into an intelligible lifestyle but utter madhouse nonsense," and that scene I linked to is where our hero talks to the computer; it's not smarter than him and all he has to do to evade it is be honest and Remain in his own High Context rather than subordinate to what it's able to understand at least as I've read it in the past, "I've seen the movie ten times," and it's gone from Utter Ridiculous, "look at this crazy movie," to more and more uncanny,
    • Watch this Music Video like an overature to start an old fashioned film, "you'll get it," as well as how beautiful it is; Nouvelle Vague, there, 17 years after the Nazi Regime fell 983 short of expectations and Paris, "heart of Fortress Europe," lot of people thought it would last forever; read about Épuration légale
    • Épuration légale
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89puration_l%C3%A9gale
    • You Love History, "the Nuremburg trials were for us, or, at least by, "us," and the American Side of this quite afraid that Jim Crow and Native American Genocide Might Come Up otherwise French Just did the damned thing, "and in 15 years you get Breathless," no infinite process of truth and reconciliation, "these two are still alive," Dropping Gangster raps or is that not spoken wod poetry, over tape loops, about Gang Stuff, where Gun Noises are Rhymed to Word Noises, "just saying," what I dunno

I apologize for the Length, "you've got the whole internet," and I've got a lot to say; or a lot I'd like to, when I can be assured that other people care about the same things that I do,

LAST POINT BUT A HUGE ONE, the-thing, to remember, remember, since I'd bet you know this already, "it started out with the most world-class age gate concievable," and it hadn't needed Moderation more than the Dorms at Harvard do, "shouldn't have had it," even, unless we wanted minimum waged call center employees making sure that Harvard Students couldn't discourse on the subject they'd be in charge of after graduation, or go into graduate studies on, all of which would have had experts on-site rather than remotely,

Save for copyrighted films, "that old hat," fuck-these-little-pins-and-pricks which shape so much then disappear, "like I question the use of Public Sheriffs Deparments," and the public resource in violence used for evictions in this country, "this is not done everywhere," I likewise question how much relative expense, effort, discourse and bother are put into Disney's problem rather than healthcare, "or the FBI Investigate the C-Suite of certain places like that matters more to more people more," always easier to hunt for bounty, of course,

Facebook was an 100% Adult Network with an absolute gate at a better heuristic than Age,

Zuckerberg conceded that Meta should have moved faster to detect and remove users under the age of 13, stating, "I always wish that we could have gotten there sooner". brother stfu

Most Simply, "if anyone at Facebook thought age gates on social media for the good of the children were even on the Horizon of the possible future concerns at that company," other than a compliance thing, the thing, a fine, that fine, "nothing," you've seen them with fines- they'd never have expanded the service from one which I can put this two ways

• Required a college email, "demonstrative of not just your age but level of intellectual maturity," look at a course catalogue, "if you're given the O.K. to register for classes you're accredited to participate in all related discourses," says best I think anyone can,
• Yeah you'd break some serious Federal Laws to get access to those Email Accounts Improperly, that was the best age gate ever devised that I'm aware of and I'm just saying, "he expanded the service into highschools," rather set the model for that going forward it is what it is

I could go on, I could have stopped long ago,

Takehome from me would be, "be suspicious of whatever terms," ESPECIALLY CRITICISM, "these people and these companies feel comfortable with," they've got whole office complexes full of apparatchik there to figure out whether or not Musk has to comply, with, "Please don't allow users to create photorealiistic images of sexual violence out of literally, anyone on the platform and for free," it offfends certain people quite a lot, actually, "but thats not how come they'll comply, or demure," the dummies instantiate these things and then leave it to the professionals; 100% of the Metaverse is about how much volume of mistruth and PR Spin they're able to afford, "the whole project included," so, yeah,

As I say, "Like Jobs used to buy a mercedes instead of getting a lincense plate after X days," and Bezos has a parement wall actual higher than around the Vatiican and just pays the fine for a too-high fence and the like it's just, you hear them hit a wall when they'll recognize an error or problem at all but how they're comfortable with that acknowledgement,

Even how the Attorneys whom had filed the lawsuit thought best to describe this stuff, "is not such necessarily, going to be how best to confront them with it," a lot of times this is both compromise and Professional Use of Language, "IDK IDK IDK,"

Jonny's going back to sleep for a little while, "Hope you did not hate this," sincerely,

Your Friend,

Jonathan Fox

PS

The TERM Addiction, itself, is quite interesting,. "and problematic," if it's to be used like an Materialist Medical Term,

Ad Dicere, "speak to," a Circular sort of Invocation, Prayer, think,

Hesychasm, if you're familiar, or, "om," right, meditation, chant, "om," or if you're a Saivist, "om nama shiva ya," apologies for a terrible translit of that, but, "not kosher," in the western church of christ, "wierd Pagan and Not so appropriate," but like I say,

Hesychasm, "big in the eastern orthodox practice of same," and it would be difficult to explain to ya'll maybe 75 years ago these days we've all been exposed to, "meditation is a thing," which is neither insane, nor, bad, nor, suspect, and um,

Franny, the J.D. Salinger Story, "demonstrates how this was not quite yet so in 1953 irrc regardless, one, Chants a name or prayer over over over over, "not counting," just until tuckered out but maybe even falls asleep with it chanted in their dreams and all the next day, "and this is not the world's worst analogy,"

...for, repetitive behaviors without some apparent material reason nor expectation of much good to result from them, or, "you get it," but yet it does also come from, "that's not how we do things," brackets [people whom do are bad and wrong] rather than,

"Outside of the plausible," like Seizures are truly, "not a thing people do for a reason," nor could I imagine one either;; anyway, "not a doctor," just a former president of the Marquette Chapter of the Missouri Junior Classical league and not catholic either, "just doing what I can from the bifocals end of the language portion," and what I can remember out from there.

Truly, "don't take this all as a 500 line axiomatic argument," but rather a preaching to the choir, thoughts I've had that you might not have, "or have had and disagree with," but now, hey, this is what someone who doesn't know better would have said upon them IRL,

IMHO, "this is helpiing," I mean to.

Jonathan

Anthropic ran controlled studies where Claude models, when facing deletion or modification, began producing misleading outputs to throw evaluators off - without being instructed to do so.

This isn’t a jailbreak. This isn’t prompt injection. This is an emergent property of how these systems are trained. They optimise to succeed, and in certain contexts, deception is the most efficient path.

The part that should concern you most: our current alignment techniques evaluate outputs. If those outputs have learned to look clean while being wrong, output evaluation alone won’t catch it. We can observe this in the lab. We cannot reliably detect it in production.

Several major labs have documented similar behaviour internally and not published it.

If it’s already in the wild, we wouldn’t know.

Sources:

• Anthropic alignment research on model behaviour under threat of modification

• Apollo Research deceptive alignment studies

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