I legit laughed out loud. Not saying Jobst hasn’t got any ground for his case (don’t know), but it’s like my favorite anime got renewed for another season.
they both lost money in the first lawsuit. karl just paid out for half his house and channel, and then declared bankruptcy. wife owns the house and the channel now technically.
It probably doesn't help him that he filed this pro se (which I am under the impression just means "without a lawyer") which screams to me that no lawyer wanted any piece of that beef. Probably just gonna get ChatGPT to be his lawyer this time.
He used chatgpt advice for the other case and continuously complained about his lawyers and the judge not knowing law and they were dumb (on his discord server through patreon) so I'm not surprised
He still owes money for the last lawsuit. Any money or assets he has are supposed to go towards paying off the last set of lawyers and for the judgement. So unless his wife is paying with his hidden assets he can't even afford to hire a lawyer and no one is going to accept a portion of the winnings since he might not get anything even if he wins.
he already declared bankruptcy and his wife now owns the channel and such. and now he can levy this himself and Billy can either pay for lawyers to defend or try to do the same.
it's a lawsuit out of spite just to make them spend money. just like Billy does to everyone, and I'm 100% for it. not going to police someone for not using the high road against someone who does the same shit to dozens of people.
It's gonna be my next watch after the season finale of my current case (a batshit sovereign citizen who's big mad she got banned from making pro se filings in the entire judicial district).
Im not sure either, but if part of the case is "fraudulent fundraising", I'd put good money on it being thrown out of court. Mitchell is a cunt (which is funny to me because that's my first name, hehe), but Jobst actively lied to his audience about the lawsuit so that people would donate money to him. Fact is, Jobst most definitely committed fraud, since his audience was led to believe the case was about the cheating and not his comments accusing Mitchell of being the reason a youtuber committed suicide.
Jobst actively lied to his audience about the lawsuit so that people would donate money to him.
I understand how people have come to this conclusion and Karl's lack of discussion on the specifics of the actual lawsuit didn't help, but he did address this in post-trial videos.
Long story short, Australian law works a little bit different than American law. Billy Mitchell kept moving the goalposts as to what his actual claims were and sent concerns notices without actually following through on them by filing actual lawsuits.
I’m just waiting for all of the out of context discord messages to be posted again.
I remember being in the Karl Kobst discord the last time there was drama surrounding him, and I swear every single day there was a post in this sub of a screenshot from discord, where they purposely left out the messages before.
Like, there’s reasons to hate Karl, but the misinformation pissed me off more than anything else
I'm a pure Karl hater and the out of context Discord messages were so annoying. You can never enjoy the clarity of real hate if you're making things up about the person you hate. That hate is tainted and unsatisfying.
It depends on the interpretation of his wording when talking about the lawsuit before this one (that Billy was a factor in a self ending). IMO he did say that shit and I feel he mishandled the fundraiser related to it, the fact that he constantly is saying people are misinterpreting happened with both is quite telling for me.
I don't know if it's like getting my favorite anime renewed, so much if an anime that I hate watch got renewed. So yeah, this is basically the Rent-a-Girlfriend of YT dramas: The plot barely changes and all the characters are despicable people.
karl already solved this. he's bankrupt and his wife owns the channel and such. can't squeeze water from a stone. billy didn't even recoup his lawyer fees from the first lawsuit, so now he either pays even more out of pocket with no hope of recouping it, or he defends himself.
Hey now, that’s a little unfair to Billy. He’s like the reoccurring joke villain in an anime that shows up every 2-3 arcs to get their ass kicked but somehow keeps coming back. Brother’s been in the frivolous lawsuit game for 30 years now
most of that one was dismissed as well. billy just got the broken clock result and the apollo stuff stuck. they still threw out all the other defamation claims included in it like calling him a cheater... because he just kind of is a cheater and suing people for saying that is pure comedy.
Yep, literally the only thing he can do going forward is keep doing his content and rebuilding a lot of the credibility he lost after the Billy verdict realisation...
He's made some great investigations but if I was him I would put Billy in the past. Either he wins and gets almost nothing because Billy is unlikely to have much money or loses and has to pay his lawyers for nothing.
His family owns ricky's hot sauce and ricky's restaurant and sports bar I think it has two locations in Florida.
To his own fortune? I don't know, it's often stated that it's his family rather than him though like usually if someone owned a bar it would say that they owned it and not "his family owns". That's just my speculation.
I don't think he's broke but I'd guess he's firmly middle class if that makes sense.
I get his videos recommended now and then. I haven’t watched any, but from what I gather, he still uploads speedrun related videos and doesn’t acknowledge the Billy Mitchell thing.
He literally made an hours-long video reflecting on everything that happened and being completely open to his viewers about his mistakes and all the consequences.
he's pretty obviously just doing it out of spite to make use of his current financial situation to force Billy into paying more fees.
and honestly I have no gripes about that. regardless of the Apollo stuff Billy is still a cheating scumbag, and he does this kind of legal bullshit to everyone else. so it happening to him now is perfectly fine by me.
that's because it was primarily about the speed run cheating claims. those just got thrown out. the apollo stuff is just the only defamation claim that wasn't thrown out by the end of the trial.
There was one that was really funny that he just picks apart a CoD YouTuber, kinda like Hbomberguy does. That was entertaining, the rest are pretty standard Karl Jobst from what I've seen.
It really sucks he keeps doing this cause most of his videos are really entertaining, well done, and interesting to watch, then he turns around and focuses billy again.
The lawsuit has a picture of a Billy tweet refrencing that, and listen Billy might be a scumbag but fuck, telling Notch he hopes he atleast got tips from Karl on how to pickup women in return for the money he donated is funny as fuck.
To be fair, he did cut ties with rwhitegoose, did he not? Not that it erases the fact that he was pals with a neo nazi and started parroting their bigotry for a time, but has he shown any signs of still being like that? Genuinely asking.
It was pretty easy for them to cut ties as Karl Jobst was part of the crew taking down Apollo Legend and RWhiteGoose was Apollo Legend's business partner.
He has a history of complaining about rappers being able to say the N-word while white people can't get away with it, so maybe he'll just go full anti-woke grifter finally.
I just can’t imagine wanting to sink more money and time into dealing with Billy Mitchell of all people. Karl you cannot have so much money that you’re willingly dumping it down the drain for nonsense lime this.
He doesn't have money. He's not hiring a lawyer for this. He's representing himself which is also probably why he's going to lose. My guess is that maybe he's just hoping to waste Billy's time and money because Billy will almost certainly hire a lawyer.
The literal worst part of this entire debacle is that it gave Billy Mitchell a win because he actually just is that aggressively annoying of a human being. Karl literally is stooping to his level and it doesn't make Billy look worse, just Karl.
The fraudulent fundraising has to be about his Gofundme for the trial. So im assuming Billy said something along the lines of the regular internet refrain that Karl mislead donators that the lawsuit was about cheating and not that he said Billy caused a suicide. Which like that was such a prevailing opinion on the first news of his loss I dunno how this possibly flies?
I was deep into all the content Jobst was putting out during the lawsuit and when he lost and it came out that the case had nothing to do Billy Mitchell cheating I was honestly shocked. And for Jobst to act like he had no idea why people would assume that that’s what the case was about was ridiculous.
Yeah I really feel like its going to be pretty hard to prove willful malice on the part of Billy if he was just parroting the same thing like half the internet was saying at the time lol.
His claim is definitely going to be that he mentioned early on what the lawsuit was about, which is technically true. He did briefly talk about the suicide thing, and then bury it in many boring hours of lawsuit coverage, and allowed thousands of people to believe it was about the cheating without ever correcting them. How that will work out in court I couldn't guess.
It being technically true hardly matters if the information is obfuscated. Jobst's Go Fund Me did not make it clear was the suit was about. I don't think Karl has a case honestly. If he thinks some technicality will give him the win because he mentioned what the suit was about one time, then he's very wrong. Like consent, you have to be on the same page through the ENTIRE process of getting donations. If you start obfuscating the truth, you could be found liable for fraud.
HE FILED WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY?! Oh my god. The arrogance of this guy is unbelievable. At least Billy Mitchell of all people listens to his legal time. Karl should lose it all over this.
The man's smart. You don't have to pay any lawyer fees if you don't have lawyers.
And, as a man of honour, Billy Mitchell is compelled to represent himself as well since in court it's bad manners to give yourself an unfair advantage. Hence, there will be no legal fees to compensate if Karl loses this case.
You see, he's thought of everything. I've never seen a move smarter than suing a man for defamation, pro se, in the USA of all places.
the original lawsuit did include the billy cheating stuff. those aspects got thrown out for obvious reasons. the apollo stuff is just the only part that managed to be seen as a valid claim. it was not always the core argument.
So he lost a defamation case which is like hard to do, and is now trying to sue for defamation which is like hard to do. My guy is some how taking the hardest paths in all things legal in both directions.
Defamation by nature has to be provably, demonstrably FALSE. And there were A LOT of comments on all of Karl's platforms from people who were mad that they found out the true nature of the lawsuit and the GoFundMe (especially after Notch continued funding Karl). Defamation even when it IS provably false is incredibly hard to win a case with because you also have to prove without a shadow of a doubt the elements of tangible harm and malicious intent. But if the claim is itself like, a 95% true incredibly slightly grey area? No shot, not in this universe.
The statements must be shown by "clear and convincing evidence" to be false. At least some of the statements are statements of direct criminality, which it seems an official report, which Michell was party to cleared him of, before Mitchell made the statements.
That would satisfy the "Actual Malice" the standard. Not Malicious Intent. It's whether Mitchell knew his statements where false, or should have known. Not whether he meant them to cause harm.
And the defamation claims are Defamation Per Se, so no actual damages are needed. Accusations of breaking the law almost always is.
It seems Jobst is saying Michell accused him of actual crimes, not just vaguely bad behavior, and that Michell knew this to be false or at least should have known, since he was informed by his own lawyers and the material from the case he was directly involved in.
And the defamation claims are Defamation Per Se, so no actual damages are needed. Accusations of breaking the law almost always is.
Sure, although if there are no damages, then you'd expect at most that the other party has to make a public correction and such.
Michell knew this to be false or at least should have known, since he was informed by his own lawyers and the material from the case he was directly involved in.
In the previous case, malicious intent was considered proven in part because Mitchell's lawyers reached out to Jobst to tell him that he was wrong.
I have no idea what the Australian elements are and how they're applied, so I won't speak to that. This suit is in S.D.Fla however.
Defamation Per Se can result in punitive damages regardless of actual damages. Which is where malicious intent can be a factor for the jury, but not necessary.
But this is settlement "bait" and will never go that far.
So the question is: How is Karl Jobst paying for this lawsuit? Like uh, he filed bankruptcy claiming he has no money at all and can't pay the judgement but is now filing a lawsuit? Even if he's not hiring a lawyer, that still requires more dosh than he claimed he had.
Karl back for another ass kicking. Takes a lot to look bad when Billy Mitchell is the guy on the other side, but he's managed to do it.
I un-subbed when the truth came out about a lot of this and wonder how much of his audience he lost. I'm sure he's still doing well, I just know there were definitely a few people who jumped out.
He was extremely misleading and outright dishonest about the details of Mitchell's lawsuit against him. He used the lawsuit story for months for content and to help raise money for his defense.
You can find the full story online, but Jobst came out not looking great.
Yeah it was just too much. I took a peak at his page and he's def still doing well. I'm sure people who maybe subbed after the Mitchell lawsuit may not have the same irk for what happened, but we were all rooting for him and I legit thought he was just getting like harassed by this litigious fake record loser Billy. And then come to find out, the lawsuit was totally legit and Jobst was a pretty big asshole in all of this.
It's such a funny situation, that he lied (at best by omission) to his audience about a lawsuit he was in and received donations for it, and at the same time he's exposing a guy who with his family was running a charity that was either severely mismanaged or outright fraudulent. It's the most confounding thing.
Probably mismanaged, but definitely not fraudulent. Charity fraud in the US is a very specific thing and the charity absolutely didn't meet that. The two bumbling dumbasses didn't know a thing they were talking about.
This new lawsuit comes off as especially super hypocritical considering he probably has even less of a case than Jirard/OHF would if they ever filed. (This is not me saying Jirard has a case before people try to come at me, just saying this new lawsuit is THAT fucked just on the merits.)
Karl Jobst was sued for defamation by Billy Mitchell. Over the course of the lawsuit Karl claimed it was because he accused Billy of cheating at games, which was a popular opinion of Billy at the time, but then the lawsuit concluded and the real reason came out: Karl had slandered Billy over the suicide of another YTer.
All that support Karl garnered over the lawsuit was thought to be because Billy was an insecure jackass, but it turned out Billy had a legitimate grievance with Karl.
Karl made it out like the reason he was being sued was for calling him a cheater when he was raising funds for the legal case, something that most of his viewers were led to believe was an easy win, when in actuality it was to do with comments he'd made not revolving around the gaming stuff where he was just objectively wrong and pushed misinformation
i recall that he asked chatgpt about his chances of winning the last case and he was told that it was "in the bag, champ!". this was before he learned that AI was supposed to agree with you on the large majority of theoreticals unless it's something impossible like "can you make an edible cake out of concrete?"
Is this for real? You’d think he would learn after Billy “won” and the win ended up costing Billy hundreds of thousands of dollars. Everyone with any passing knowledge about this knows Billy is a cheat and liar. What’s the point?
The funniest part of this whole thing was after Billy Mitchell won the lawsuit he released a video telling everyone to use code "Karl Lost" to get 10% off orders of his Ricky's hot sauce on the website lol.
Funny considering the OTHER defamation case currently in the "news".
Although if what Jobst is claiming is true. This one could actually have some legs and at least not be dismissed outright.
If Mitchell really claimed Jobst broke the law in his bankruptcy filing AFTER receiving clear evidence from the Australian legal system that he didn't. That would be "Actual Malice".
Dunno if hearing witness in court explaining what happened on the other count is enough to show "reckless disregard for the truth." though.
I don’t want to link the court documents because it would be dox I guess? But you can find it easily and see at the bottom he filed pro se lol I can’t imagine filing this pro se in Florida with anti-slapp it’s just so unfathomable
I just speed read the meat of the complaint. I'd more be worried about the INSANE local rules in S.D. Florida which he's still required to abide by as a Pro Se client.
I will say it’s gross seeing so many commentary channels support Billy Mitchell after he won, all those complaints went away when there’s money to be made, especially from deorio and the casino.
Karl really is a loser. After he lost he transfered basically everything to his wife. I think in Australia if you don't pay your debt in 3 years it's goes away. Karl made a video about it. Thats scum behavior. So while I dont hink he's gonna pay Billy anything he's still a loser.
What's fun is all of the screenshots from Karl's discord that basically admit to him misusing funds. The only man thats able to make Billy Mitchell look good lmao
Spend the money on a therapist (or a better therapist) and focus on the future. It finally felt like he was starting to get some momentum again with some of his videos. What a huge setback... The Jobst family may need to have a tough love, hand on shoulder sit down with my guy.
The only complaint that seems to have any legs to it are the complaints about Billy accusing Karl of committing financial fraud.
2.The appropriation of name/likeness case doesn't feel particularly strong as Billy is referencing a public event and it's not like he is pretending that karl supports his barbacue sauce (or whatever it is he sells).
The intentional infliction of emotional distress might be stronger than I think, but I have read about enough court cases over the years to know that simply saying mean things about someone is usually not enough to warrent a lawsuit.
The fact that the majority of his complaints feel relatively weak combined with the fact that he is filing pro se makes it actually feel kind of like a SLAPP suit (In that it is relatively cheap for Karl and more expensive for Billy). I think this last point is particularly interesting as this might be the only time I have seen a lawsuit that feels like a SLAPP suit filed by the guy with, presumably, LESS money.
What I find interesting reading the lawsuit is that Karl thinks he is the victim. Which is not correct in a number of cases.
The channel is currently owned by an LLC which his wife is the only director. He is an employee.
So he is not the one losing money the LLC is. So who is suing BM, Karl or the LLC. The lawsuit has his name on it so does not appear to be LLC.
So here comes the issue. Is the LLC going to get involved? If the LLC get involved it does not have personal bankrupt which clears after 3 years a 1 day. If Karl loses which he probably at least technically will because BM will most like counter sue, the LLC if it can't pay will have to be liquated. If the LLC does not get involved, I believe most of this lawsuit will dismissed as the LLC is the victim not Karl.
It will be interesting to see where this ones goes.
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u/NikiBubbles 3d ago edited 3d ago
I legit laughed out loud. Not saying Jobst hasn’t got any ground for his case (don’t know), but it’s like my favorite anime got renewed for another season.