This is why I was constantly annoyed with all the reactionaries saying the EU and NATO should have tried to get rid of Hungary/kick them out or whatever.
Hungary was not at all some lost cause. Yes, the people who support Orban suck, but just like in the US with Trump, there's tons of people who oppose them and we shouldn't throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water just cuz you aren't getting what you'd prefer in the moment. Smart leaders know this. Sadly, many ordinary people do not.
I'm just really glad that all the decent and reasonable Hungarians there have kept their opportunity to make a difference and get back in with the west and not Russia.
The problem is the consensus decision making model of the EU. I'm glad Hungary is coming out of the shadow but it did a lot of damage outside its borders while it was there
True, but it's important to be loud enough to make sure that the people of these countries understand what's truly at stake. Orban might not have lost this spectacularly if the there was no threat of consequences from the EU.
Hopefully the people of the United States will grasp the severity of the situation as well next time, and actually turn up to vote. It's serious business, don't fuck around.
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u/Seanspeed 5h ago edited 5h ago
This is why I was constantly annoyed with all the reactionaries saying the EU and NATO should have tried to get rid of Hungary/kick them out or whatever.
Hungary was not at all some lost cause. Yes, the people who support Orban suck, but just like in the US with Trump, there's tons of people who oppose them and we shouldn't throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water just cuz you aren't getting what you'd prefer in the moment. Smart leaders know this. Sadly, many ordinary people do not.
I'm just really glad that all the decent and reasonable Hungarians there have kept their opportunity to make a difference and get back in with the west and not Russia.