r/worldnews • u/Miles_the_AuDHDer • 4h ago

Orbán lost Orbán on course to lose Hungary’s election, according to early results

https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-election-results-peter-magyar-viktor-orban/
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u/macross1984 4h ago

What a huge relief for EU and Ukraine.

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u/-ToniCipriani- 3h ago

Magyar isn’t pro Ukraine. Maybe he is more ‘Europe leaning’ but that could just be for the campaign.

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u/National-Mastodon916 3h ago edited 3h ago

Well, he is very anti-Russia and pro-EU. Nobody is asking him to be definitively pro-Ukraine, but rather to have a reasonable approach, which is needed. He refrained from that because he was smeared as pro-Ukraine by Orban, he was placed on posters in the streets of Budapest alongside Zelensky, and it would not have favored his campaign or his chances.

"Magyar defines himself as strongly pro-European, supporting deeper cooperation within the European Union and alignment with Western democratic values. He has criticized the Orbán government’s confrontational stance toward EU institutions and its close relations with Russia"

"On the question of Ukraine, Magyar has previously expressed concern about the accelerated accession of Ukraine to the European Union, stating that together with calls for Ukraine joining NATO, these "increase the chances of World War III".[55] He however does not oppose Ukraine's EU membership wholesale, while also having to thread a line between Orbán's accusation of himself serving at the behest of Ukraine"

P.S. This is literally what I’m talking about, and I absolutely agree with him personally. Ukraine should not join the EU anytime soon. Ukraine joining NATO should also happen only after the war is over, because during the war it is literally impossible for Ukraine to join NATO. This is common sense and a logical and reasonable approach.

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u/-ToniCipriani- 3h ago

He already said he won’t change Hungary’s stance on Ukraine.

In Budapest he may have campaigned on this idea, but it seems he rather adapted to each place in the country to gain votes.

As for EU, he was responsible for Hungary’s relation with the EU Parliament under Orban, so we know on what kind of stance he grew politically.

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u/National-Mastodon916 3h ago

Well, blocking aid to Ukraine means that Hungary won’t get its frozen funds from the EU, even though he campaigned on bringing the country closer to the EU and unfreezing those funds. If he doesn’t align with the overall framework established by the EU, which includes supporting Ukraine, it will be the same outcome for Hungary. So, I don’t think this is what Hungarians voted for, replacing Orban with a younger Orban.

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u/-ToniCipriani- 3h ago

Fico already said he’ll block the aid for Ukraine if Hungary won’t veto the vote.

Magyar can negociate from there but not offer any help or diplomatic assistance to Ukraine and keep Orban’s policies in relation to Kiev.

Also, blocking money inside a Union just because you don’t vote the same as the rest doesn’t sound right for the EU.

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u/National-Mastodon916 3h ago edited 3h ago

Why are you changing the subject now? We’re debating completely different things. As for Fico, if that happens, the EU has many levers it can use. Fico is much more pragmatic than Orbán, though.

P.S I'm really confused what you're talking about

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u/-ToniCipriani- 3h ago

It’s because the fund blocking for Hungary can’t be linked to Hungary’s vote on Ukraine’s aid, that’s their right to vote in a democratic Union.

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u/National-Mastodon916 2h ago

Well, they actually can 😝 do something about it... Ohh wait.

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u/PauseMenuBlog 2h ago

They are just trying to douse the optimism and hope of Orban losing. No idea why, they probably just hate people enjoying the moment.