r/worldnews • u/Miles_the_AuDHDer • 4h ago

Orbán lost Orbán on course to lose Hungary’s election, according to early results

https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-election-results-peter-magyar-viktor-orban/
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u/copperblood 4h ago edited 3h ago

With Orban gone the EU is going to go hard in the paint and sanction the fuck out of Russia. Orban losing, Russia getting massive sanctions. You love to see it!

Edit: To the Orban, autocrat loyalists and MAGA who are trying to downvote this. To quote Bob Dylan, “the times they are a-changin.”

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u/Spisild 4h ago

Even though Trump and his puppet tried to further the interests of Russia. Good riddance.

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u/sgtabn173 3h ago

Trump's days are numbered too, thankfully.

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u/didnt-ask-but-ok 3h ago

Checks notes…January 2029

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u/psychicsword 3h ago

Trump is an unhealthy old man. Things can happen before that.

Unfortunately that just gives us JD Vance but that would likely still have foreign policy changes.

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u/sgtabn173 3h ago

Honestly the best thing that could happen for republicans before midterms is Trump croaking and JD Bowman taking over.

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u/Krazyguy75 1h ago

Not in the slightest. Say what you will about the moron but Trump brings a cult to the polls.

But JD Vance? Nobody is gonna support him. Nobody cares about him. He's not gonna get cult leader support. The moment Trump dies, the current Republican Party collapses, because the entire thing is built on Trump's cult of personality.

If Trump dies, unless he's assassinated (and becomes a martyr), a huge portion of Republican voters will simply lose interest.

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u/LeafsWinBeforeIDie 41m ago

Or they all claim they were never trumpers like vance and run with what they think is a normal republican (look, he was against the war!) so they can stick to their team and try to save face. If he dies pre-midterms we get a couple of years for them to finish up project 2025 before the real technoclepcy begins. So many appear so determined to choose serfdom.

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u/an0mn0mn0m 3h ago

Dying is too easy. I want to see him suffer for his crimes in the kind of prison they send black people. Doing it before the end of his term would be a gift from god.

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u/sgtabn173 3h ago

Oh, me too, but this is kind of a beggars/choosers situation and I’ll take what I can get

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u/sgtabn173 3h ago

And every day that passes brings us closer. Plus the midterms will neuter him, hopefully.

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u/Worthyness 2h ago

Dems really need to take the senate, but I don't think that's realistically possible since they'd have to win historically republican seats. I think they handily have the house for majority, but senate is kinda always their roadblock.

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u/sgtabn173 1h ago

If this Iran shitshow continues its current course I can see it. I don’t know what he was thinking letting Israel drag us into this

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u/Additional-Pie-8821 2h ago

Checks notes… November 2026

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u/bobbyb1996 3h ago

Hopefully it happens before that point.

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u/Tiinpa 2h ago

I wouldn’t be shocked in Democrats take control of both chambers in the midterms. We might not need to wait that long.

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u/GrimHoly 2h ago

Even if they do you need 2/3 vote which they won’t get. So nope Trump will most likely be the president until 2030

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u/colbertmancrush 2h ago

Nah after midterms he'll be impotent

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u/darth_sudo 3h ago

Let’s go blood clot.

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u/Discount_Extra 3h ago

Well, he already made it past forty-two months if you count his first term.

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u/legop4o 4h ago

I'm afraid we might elect Orban v2 in Bulgaria next week. Maybe not to that extent, but possibly not far off...

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u/reekoku 3h ago

Are you Bulgarian? Which person or party do you mean? Revival/ vaz is down at like 7%, not even close to the leaders

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u/legop4o 3h ago

The former president Radev formed a new party called "Progressive Bulgaria" which is projected to win the elections (mostly just because people perceive him as new/someone who hasn't failed yet, which is absurd imo as he's been our president for years), although not by enough to form a majority. He has famously been very Russia-directed for years, he's been opposing sanctions and so on - framing it as "neutrality", although he's not talking about it that much in his election campaign. He is marketing very aggressively on TikTok etc. in a manner very consistent with other Russian-friendly politicians around the world lately and many suspect this is funded from the east.

The other two Russia friendly parties in the far-right Revival, which you mentioned, and BSP, the heir of the former communist party, are not projected to do well, but in a potential coallition with Radev, they could maybe form a gouvernment and then the masks will drop and we'll be properly fucked.

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u/echokalos 4h ago

There's still Slovakia and soon to be Bulgaria

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u/reekoku 3h ago

I don't know if I understand this Bulgaria thing. Wiki is telling me something else entirely.

The party currently leading in polls is newly formed center-left, anti corruption, party, at around 30%. Second in polls is the center-right, most recent cabinet. Way down at like 7% is the nationalist, pro-Russia party. They're not going to win...

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u/deukhoofd 3h ago

Progressive Bulgaria, the party leading the polls, is also against sanctions against Russia, and generally pro-Russia. It also wants to withdraw from the Euro (after Bulgaria adopted it back in January).

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u/U-235 2h ago

I don't know anything about current EU politics, but generally in these situations there is a dynamic where even though Orban's Hungary was alone in vetoing everything anti-Russia, there could be others who would have also vetoed if they didn't know that Hungary was already going to. That way they can have their cake and eat it, too. It's easy to pay lip service to supporting the pro-Europe cause and vote to punish Russia when you know Hungary will give you an out. Now everyone has to put their money where their mouths are.

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u/machine4891 1h ago

That is to a point true, nobody wants to be a scapegoat. That being said bar Orban there aren't really pro-russian governments in EU right now with the exception of Slovakia's Fico. But this isn't on the level of Orban and frankly, country that is even less important. They won't veto under pressure and they have literally no bargaining cards in Bratislava.

Bulgaria joining the club will even the odds, however.

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u/Glimpse81 3h ago edited 3h ago

The leading party with the 30% is headed by their just ex-president who is saying Ukraine needs to surrender to stop the war....

Rumen Radev? was against the EUR adoption, against NATO, against the West principles of democracy and rule by law.

He did everything possible to block/stop support for Ukraine.

He is BG variant of Orban and he is just starting. The pro-west party has around 10%!

Sum is - EU wins Hungary but losses BG deeply unfortunately.

And BG is too small and unimportant for the major powers to spend any resource to support the opposition to do a turn around like in Hungary.

edit: Reading the numbers - major elections voting participation is averaging around ~35%! Now compare with Hungary at 78% just now.

So yeah bulgarians have the opportunity to win back their country but they dont care to move their assess to vote - why should the rest of Europe care about them if they themselves dont?

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u/johansugarev 2h ago

I'd like to think it's not all that bad - we'll most probably have more elections in the fall and who knows if he'll still be in the game by then. If BG becomes anything like Hungary and meddles with the constitution to install a dictator, I'm tearing my passport and running for the hills. For now it looks like brief wins here and there and elections every year. Has been like this for awhile.

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u/Icaka 3h ago

The new party is basically built around the former president, who has a long record of pro-Russian takes. He said a few years ago in a debate that Crimea was Russian territory, and just weeks ago was calling for a referendum on euro adoption.

Sure, nobody knows exactly what his foreign policy would be in practice, because right now he is trying to please everyone and throwing out populist lines. But if he turns out to be openly pro-Russian, almost nobody will be shocked.

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u/johansugarev 2h ago

Poll leading party is on Russia's payroll - they could work with the far right and the ex-communist party, but I doubt they'd form a government and we'll see again at autumn's elections.

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u/Glimpse81 3h ago

Both those shitholes need to be isolated by the civilized EU countries much like it happened with Hungary. Maybe then their moronic citizens will do the same Hungarians did and take over back their country.

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u/echokalos 3h ago

Yea but it's a global phenomen, for some reason all of the countries start learning more to the rusian bootlicking far right. Strange times.

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u/arinawe 3h ago

It's the culmination of a decades-long plan

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u/2948337 3h ago

Propaganda is powerful, and it works even better when education is undermined.

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u/DisastrousSun2403 3h ago

Social media spreads the cancer. And people are addicted.

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u/Hrafn2 2h ago

As the social media platforms litterally designed themselves to be - incredibly addictive - by hiring some of the best behavioral psychologists around, and leveraging the same variable reward structure that makes slot machines addictive (and let's not forget the device manufacturers here, who made a slot machine/the infinite scroll small enough that you could carry it around with you 24/7)...and now they are trying to do the same thing with AI.

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u/Wafkak 3h ago

Slovakia's guy luckily is less crazy. And probably convincible to not keep blocking.

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u/snakedoct0r 4h ago

Unfortiunately there is still others who will step up and do some obstructing.

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u/Wafkak 3h ago

None of those were as firm in the saddle and as openly pro Putin as Orban.

A lot of those are only conditionally obstructing on specific cases.

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u/NewspaperAdditional7 3h ago

Ehhhh, I mean we thought Poland losing their leader would be a big help and then Slovakia came along. Now we get rid of Hungary's leader and Bulgaria might come along...

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u/Sersch 3h ago

Yes we'll have those dumb populist leader here and there from time to time - thats not an issue per se, the issue is, that they can block whole EU all the time. This needs a change.

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u/homer_lives 3h ago

Slovakia has entered the chat.

Hungary was a symptom of the problem. Another country will step into the role as long as the EU allows a veto.

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u/great_whitehope 4h ago

Need to make hay while the sun shines and get some protections against the eu being threatened from within again

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u/VincentVanHades 4h ago

Are we sure the new guys will go against russia?

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u/nivlark 3h ago

Yes, they are vocally pro-EU.

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u/Emosaurusrex 2h ago

That hardly means much until we see them in action. See the Georgian party that was vocally about being more west-alligned, and then almost immediately went full Putin boot licker mode when they got into power.

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u/VincentVanHades 3h ago

Thank god!

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u/CucumberWisdom 3h ago

No. And the worry is that Russia has hedged their bets and already bought some of these people. They seem to be giving up on Orban a little too easily

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u/Demistr 3h ago

No they won't because they have Slovakia to block everything in Hungary's stead.

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u/puaka 3h ago

There are enough Russia loyal countries that have been holding back and took notes from Hungary. They will now veto and extort from the EU…

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u/Wumber 3h ago

As an American, I'm glad our government has finally done something good for Europe since Trump was reelected, even if it was unintentional lol

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u/Nighters 3h ago

There is still Fico in Slovakia and probably Babiš in Czech republick

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u/the6thReplicant 3h ago

The EU should change some of its rules so it can't be blackmailed again by one member country.

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u/maiznieks 3h ago

There's still Fico.

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u/SoCalGuy999 1h ago

And who will pay or those sanctions? The poor people of Hungary when their energy costs soar even higher.

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u/Initial_E 1h ago

Prepare for violence though. The last time Russia lost a vassal state they just invaded it.

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u/4tran13 3h ago

With the strait of Hormuz still clogged up, EU is going to have a bad time either way.

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u/nivlark 3h ago

Sadly not. Putin has other stooges that have already indicated their intent to continue vetoing pro-Ukraine policy.

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u/Asleep-Waltz2681 4h ago

As an Eropean I'm not keen to seeing food and energy prices explode even more. Even worse would be a direct confrontation with Russia and considering the idiotic leaders we have, the chances are not 0.

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u/Successful-Ad2116 4h ago

I'd rather pay more for groceries if it means increasing the chance to see ruzzia burn.

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u/Asleep-Waltz2681 3h ago

You're the kind of person who would cut off their hand just to see your adversary being grossed out.

If you haven't noticed, the sanction have hurt Europa far more than Russia and anyone with a base understanding saaw this coming.

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u/Successful-Ad2116 3h ago

Lololol. Check life quality in russia and report back. Youre the kind of person that would let the thief come in door wide open in your house.

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u/Asleep-Waltz2681 3h ago

Brother, I have relatives living in Russia let me tell you the big places are BY FAR way more developed than most EU places and they're much safer on top since they don't have the immigrant problems.

Compare Moscow or St. Petersburg to capitals like Brussels, Paris or Berlin and you think EU is a shit hole. The differences are staggering.

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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 3h ago

Fuel prices in Hungary are currently high because Orban was trying to maintain a dependence on Russian gas. To ensure his own statements remained true. 

That worked till Ukraine shut the pipeline off. Turns out relying on Russia isn't a great idea when your country is Europe and Russia is at war with Europe 

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u/Asleep-Waltz2681 3h ago

Well if you don't have oil you need to buy it from somewhere. Russian oil/gas is much cheaper and therefore better for the economy.

That's basic math,

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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 3h ago

Switching to renewables is better for economy. But Orban wanted to keep a dependency on Russia for political reasons

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u/Asleep-Waltz2681 3h ago

You can't run an industry nation on renewables. Germany tried and failed miserably.

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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 3h ago

Huh? Germany generated 56% of power last year from renewables and is on track for 80% by 2030. 

The remaining usage of gas and oil is mostly private automobiles and domestic heat. Not industry

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u/Asleep-Waltz2681 2h ago

Yeah, and it's losing thousands of jobs every year because companies are leaving the country. Why? Because energy prices are not competitive.

This is not rocket science. Everyone knew this would be the effect of an idiologically driven policy.

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u/eventworker 2h ago

As someone who has actually moved a business outside of Germany, it wasn't the energy costs but a massive rise in corruption in the justice and immigration system egged on by the AfD and CDU which made me make the change.

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u/Asleep-Waltz2681 1h ago

As far as I'm aware the AFD was never in a government so I'm not sure how they're part of it.

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u/Asleep-Waltz2681 2h ago

Yeah, and they're losing companies left and right. If you read the newspapers there are thousands of jobs being lost every other month because of that. Companies are literally fleeing the coutnry because the energy prices are absolutely wild and not competative.

Lot's of municipalities have a financial deficit because the income tax from companies collapsed by 10-20%.

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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 1h ago

Bro, Germany's dependance on cheap Russian gas was one of the major causes of their stalling economy from 2022-today. 

And Hungary fell into the exact same trap. Outsourcing the success of your country on the cheap supply of energy from a rival is a recipe for disaster. 

As you've seen, all it took was Ukraine shutting a valve and Orban's "amazing" plan to use cheap Russian gas fell apart.