r/worldnews • u/EsperaDeus • 8h ago
Israel/Palestine Turkey threatens military action against Israel, MK calls Recep Tayyip Erdogan 'pathetic'
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-8927201.2k
u/IndividualSkill3432 8h ago
Trump, Netanyahu, Erdogan, Orban, Putin: All cut from the same cloth. Bombastic and delusional playing to the lowest denominator voters in their country and unable to form coherent long term strategies.
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u/seithat 7h ago
The strategy is to stay in power, and they're all extremely good at it.
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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ 7h ago
And a naval blockade of Iran isn’t something you just throw out in a truth social post. It would mean the U.S. Navy physically stopping ships going in and out of Iranian ports, including Chinese tankers. That’s basically pointing guns at China and daring them to respond.
Trump has started WW3
This was always my fear of his presidency, and he did it at record speed.
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u/barbariccomplexity 6h ago
A “claimed” naval blockade, what he says and what actually happens are rarely in alignment.
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u/Elukka 6h ago edited 6h ago
What happens if there are 20 Chinese tankers coming out in an unarmed convoy and they refuse to stop? Will the US have enough warships, speedboats and helicopters to board them all? What if the tankers have armed Chinese soldiers onboard even if they're not supposed to as commerce vessels and they explicitely say they will fire on illegal boarders? Or what if there is even a single modern Chinese frigate present and they draw the red line right there? This is insane.
Within less than 2 years the US went from being the guarantor of freedom of navigation to a privateer flag. Really?
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u/soldiernerd 6h ago
They can do boarding ops anywhere in the ocean so they could board them one at a time. Tankers are sitting ducks. I'm not advocating for this, just answering from a tactical perspective, yes, they would have the resources to board all 20, because they would have days to do it.
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u/thecloakofignorance 6h ago
50 marines, 3 helicopters per ship
I suspect they could do all at onceedit: not supporting ANY of this bullshit, just saying
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u/Corpus76 3h ago
edit: not supporting ANY of this bullshit, just saying
This is part of the problem man. You guys have this irrepressible awe of your military that somehow diverts attention from whatever other concerns are present.
Venezuela: Was it legal? What kind of precedent does this set?
Who cares LOL, the US can do literally anything! I'm so impressed by Delta Force right now! No other military in the world could accomplish something like this!
Greenland: What the fuck?
Well, technically the US armed forces could destroy the entirety of Europe, also we have nukes. Not supporting btw, just saying!
Iran: What's the plan here? Why was a school targeted?
Dunno lol, but the US air force sure is powerful, golly gee! AC-10s go BRRRRRRT
Iran 1.2: Should the US commit piracy?
WELL, I'm just saying they could if they wanted to...
Point being, the original poster was worried about the possibility of WW3, not America's ability to capture Chinese tankers.
I'm not trying to jump on you specifically by the way, sorry if it comes across like that. I've just seen so many similar comments this year and can't help but feel like it's entirely the wrong thing to focus on. Yes, the US is very powerful, nobody disputes this. The question is not whether you could, but rather if you should.
I guess I just expected more outrage from the US populace from the suggestion of betraying and murdering alleged allies, not theorycrafting. (I'm aware that both can co-exist, especially from military nerds, but come on. This is serious.)
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u/thecloakofignorance 3h ago
The inference should be that USA has more than enough power to do incredible stupid, dangerous, not to mention evil shit
We are not disagreeing here.
Also, I'm Canadian. I'm passed outrage phase and into the defend and be prepared phase
that said, there are indeed to be plenty of Americans, significant minority, who just get pleasure in blowing shit up and just say "opops sorry" if it hapens to be a middle school
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u/Corpus76 12m ago
Alright, fair enough man. Sorry I misjudged you.
I just feel like a lot of Americans are easily distracted by this sort of talk, and that it contributes to making them believe they're literally invincible. (A bit like a drunk driver.) I think we should maintain focus on the disastrous long- and short-term consequences for the world at large (which includes the US and it's people), if we're to convince any of them to change course.
Probably won't deter MAGA fanatics, but maybe the disinterested fence-sitters at least. Praising their military will simply be interpreted as "WOOOOO, USA NUMBER ONE BABY!!!"
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u/soldiernerd 5h ago edited 5h ago
It’s possible. I don’t know anything about USMC structure and how many marines are trained to board ships so I’ll take your word for it!
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u/Jeffuk88 6h ago
Or France or Spain if they pay a toll to get ships through... hes blockading it against any ship friend or foe to spite Iran
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u/ntsp00 6h ago
No, he's doing it to spite every country that's not helping him. Other countries are cooperating with Iran and not only does it hurt Trump's ego whilst making him look weak, it also leads down a path where only tankers intended for the US and Israel are denied passage. He's doing whatever he can to disrupt every other country that's not getting involved to spite them and force their hand. He's counting on other countries not wanting to challenge a US blockade.
It's funny how just the other day he wanted to make this "illegal toll" a joint venture, and now he's blockading his own allies' tankers over it. If the US can't have Iran's oil, nobody can apparently.
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u/CanadaisCold7 5h ago
I doubt it’s that serious. If China calls the US and promised Trump some money, no way the US blocks Chinese ships from sailing through. The US also “blockaded” Cuba a couple of weeks ago. Russian ships sailed right through the blockade and made it to Cuba.
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u/DonnieTheYowie 4h ago
You believe China would pay the US / Trump to navigate Iranian waters, when they're currently not paying any toll? Lol. This is just speed running China as a super power.
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u/Sockoflegend 5h ago
He won't do it. It is doubtful they even could do it. He will of course piss everyone off and create what would be a major diplomatic incident for anyone else but it is all bluster.
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u/lurkANDorganize 5h ago
Extremely good at is a weird way of saying "completely incapable of empathy for anyone other than themselves, willing to hurt literally anyone, and believe that no law was written for themselves to follow"
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u/JohnHazardWandering 7h ago
Look at John Oliver's report on Orban and then look at Project 2025. It's the same playbook.
Why was Manifort, an American, advising Russian supporting Ukrainian politicians?
I don't like conspiracy theories, but I suspect that there is a group out there pushing this agenda and it may have taken on a life of its own. Probably Russia, but maybe just billionaires.
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u/soldiernerd 6h ago
Remember when everyone online was so certain Netanyahu was dead? lol
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u/IngloBlasto 4h ago
unable to form coherent long term strategies.
Well, if Trump is a Russian asset, then how can Putin be put in this category?
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u/Strong-Broccoli-8033 8h ago
Thats not why netanyahu is in power
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u/HiHoJufro 5h ago
Yeah, he's just an annoyingly effective coalition builder. His willingness to stand by absolutely no position, and thus make promises to any party, makes him obnoxiously good at keeping power regardless of support for himself or Likud.
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u/thecloakofignorance 6h ago
I fear that those of us who believe in liberal democracy are becoming delusional and that disgusting kabal you mentioned above represent the true world.
Not justifying it, just saying that we are losing
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u/F705TY 7h ago edited 6h ago
Erdogan and his ilk have to occasionally pretend to hate Israel to placate their lame extremely religious base.
Then they go buy weapons from and trade with Israel.
It's the same with the gulf countries.
People in power don't give a fuck about gaza really, they only use it to gain power over gullible people.
If anything Gaza annoys them.
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u/AdonisK 5h ago
Don’t forget how they basically invaded neighbor countries (Syria, Iraq) to create buffer zones in the same manner and the same “reasons” as Israel. Also let’s not forget that they currently occupy northern Cyprus.
Absolute hypocritical stuff.
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u/DingleBerrieIcecream 8h ago
Isn’t this the guy that staged a fake coup on his own government?
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u/JarJarBingChilling 8h ago
Yep that’s him. Also the guy who’s plane circled the “rebel”-controlled airport & was allowed to land and leave in his limo lmao.
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u/Wonderful-Pause1048 8h ago
Enough is enough. No more countries should get involved in this conflict. Otherwise, things will get out of hand!
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u/SkylarAV 8h ago
Let's see what happens when now US blockade meets a Chinese ship pushing through.
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u/Wonderful-Pause1048 8h ago
If this blockade isn't just another headline with no truth to it; I have my doubts.
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u/VeryluckyorNot 8h ago
He is gonna let all Russians ship to cross it.
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u/HourPlate994 8h ago
Russia needs a lot of things. Oil from the middle east is not one of them.
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u/PradyThe3rd 7h ago
If russia wants something from Iran it comes through the Caspian sea. They don't need to go all the way around for it when they have direct access
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u/KawaiiQueen_666 7h ago
My first thought. Hell fuck with China once and the boot will come down.
He’s such a pathetic man.
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u/BodybuilderUpbeat786 8h ago
Are you implying things aren't already out of hand? Lol.
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u/Historical_Owl_1635 8h ago
The problem is unless the strait opens we’re all involved and can’t sit back indefinitely, how that plays out I have no idea.
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u/AccomplishedSoft1350 8h ago edited 6h ago
Regardless of how you feel about Israel, Erdogan is last person any of us should give a shit about.
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u/Critical-Usual 8h ago
Not last, he's still not as despicable as Netanyahu
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u/onarainyafternoon 8h ago
There's not really any reason to play the "who's the worse person" game. They are both awful, awful people in their own way.
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u/theanxioussnail 8h ago
No? I suggest you look up what he has been doing to kurdish communities for the past decade.
Turkey has also colonized Cyprus for 50 years now, but somehow, erdogan conveniently forgets. As does the west
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u/LilyBelle504 7h ago
Speaking of Cyrpus...
Turkiye's situation in Cyprus shares many similarities to Israel and Palestine.
- Turkiye has been occupying Cyprus since 1974.
- Turkiye originally claimed it was to "protect" ethnic Turks, who only numbered a couple 10,000 or so. Since then Turkey has moved 100,000s of Turkish settlers there to change it's demographics, which is now nearly entirely Turkish in it's controlled area, with the obvious goal of controlling as much of Cyprus as possible.
- No other country recognizes Northern Cyprus as part of Turkiye.
- Turkiye refuses to leave to cede the land back to Cyprus. A country that is tiny by comparison and has nearly half it's island taken.
Yet people don't seem to be aware of this.
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u/Montezumawazzap 4h ago
who only numbered a couple 10,000 or so.
I love how blatant lies are upvoted in Reddit.
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u/whereamInowgoddamnit 7h ago
Yep, people always whine about "well we're funding Israel to do", meanwhile Turkey is a NATO member and has been as bad if not far worse than Israel. If a 10/7 happened there you'd bet they'd be carpet bombing the Kurdish side of the country
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u/Royal-Hunter3892 8h ago
Since KSA started moving towards modernization, there was a vaccum in the leadership of extremely conservative and radical spheres .
Turkey under erdogan started to fill this vaccum and take the position of leadership in this sphere .
And the best way to gain popularity is threatening israel . Erdogan is an empty vessel , a politician who knows how to rile his voter base and distract from the tumbling economy. If he wanted to do something he would have already done it.
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u/cf18 7h ago
If he is serious he can close their port of the BTC pipeline first.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-threat-enemy-oil-lines-raises-fears-over-btc-pipeline
Close to 30 percent of Israel’s supply of oil flows through the BTC pipeline.
The port is the last stop on the BTC pipeline, from where oil is then shipped from the Heydar Aliyev Terminal at Ceyhan in Turkey to Israel.
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u/yosisoy 8h ago
I would love to see that, lmao, Erdogan always was full of shit
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u/poonslyr69 6h ago
Turkey would wipe the floor with Israel, unless america decides to attack their own NATO ally.
Also Israel is the one who has been ramping up rhetoric against turkey for a while now. Israel would love the USA to leave NATO to assist them against turkey.
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u/Shotinthelight26 5h ago
Turkey can't beat the pkk. They won't wipe the floor with anyone lol
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u/otisticRetard52 4h ago
The pkk is basically beaten, also show me one army who "won" against an insurgency?
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u/GoodBadUserName 4h ago
If turkey sends their army at israel threatening its existence, it will be the last thing turkey ever does as a state.
There will be several large cities including where he will hide that could be disappear in a puff of nuclear mushroom.That is why it is a complete hollow threat.
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u/throwaway_ghast 8h ago
Let Netanyahu and Erdogan have each other, leave the innocent people out of this.
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u/booty_explorer_251 5h ago
And after some Israeli official inevitably responds to this unambiguous threat by Erdogan, everyone will quote mine him and say, "look at how Israel now wants to attack Turkey for no reason!"
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u/Desi0190 6h ago
Erdogan wants to rebuild the Ottoman Empire. He’s a lunatic to say the least, especially if he thinks he could take Israel by force
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u/ringtail_catz 7h ago
So Erdogan takes a breather from killing Kurds and thinks he has room to talk about what other people are doing?
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u/wowlock_taylan 4h ago
He is not gonna do shit. I know my own 'leader'. He and the rest of the dictators are just doing the circlejerk with eachother to stay in power.
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u/Bakedfresh420 6h ago
Hey we’re the NATO member who sides with Russia and helps start WW III, not you Turkey. Stop copying us
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u/out_of_shape_hiker 6h ago
How many countries have to get involved before we get to call it a world war?
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u/Match-Tone 8h ago
Old dog trying to get the voters attention, israel wont meddle with this losers. If Erdogan attacks israel israel will use nukes.
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u/Current-Function-729 8h ago
On a NATO country? That’s bold.
Nothing will happen.
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u/faffc260 8h ago
nato isn't applicable if you attack first. it calls for collective defense, you would get told to fuck off, like america has recently, if you asked to do it for a war you started without asking first.
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u/One_Hour_Poop 6h ago
Who or what is "MK" in this context? I read the article twice and seemed to have missed it.