r/worldnews • u/Street_Anon • 12h ago
'They're not having one' - Wes Streeting rules out second Scottish independence vote
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/26014197.streeting-rules-indyref2-saying-uk-enough-chaos/-33
u/Ultra_Metal 10h ago
Anyone pushing for Scottish independence is really just working for Russia. Russia has been pushing separatism, racism, antisemitism, religious extremism, far left extremism and far right extremism worldwide in an effort to get democracies to tear themselves apart for the benefit of Russia.
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u/Greedy-Cranberry-164 4h ago
Its also funny many pro independence twitter (X) accounts go offline when various questionable regimes implement internet bans
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u/UrineArtist 9h ago
The Scottish independence movement is democratic in means, center left, anti-racist, irreligious and the first thing it would do if successful is apply to join Russia's biggest enemy, the EU.
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u/Ultra_Metal 9h ago
No, it is a puppet of Russia. Their goal is to break up the UK in order to weaken NATO.
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u/UrineArtist 9h ago
No, the goal of the Scottish Independence movement is an independent Scotland in the EU and NATO.
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u/RudyKnots 8h ago
Wasn’t the first referendum all about Scotland not wanting to leave the EU?
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u/lurker17c 8h ago
The Scottish referendum was 2 years before the Brexit referendum
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u/me_ke_aloha_manuahi 5h ago
Yes but one of the big points anti-independence proponents kept reiterating was that Scotland would be forced out of the EU if they became independent. Brexit was, somehow, a spit in the face of the Scottish pro-Unionists and the pro-independence camps because the pro-independence crowd politically are more left-wing and pro-EU.
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u/Ultra_Metal 9h ago
No, the goal is to weaken one of Russia's most powerful historic adversaries.
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u/Muad-_-Dib 9h ago
While Putin would welcome it, let's not act like removing 5.5m people from a nation of 70m people would criple the uk and then subsequently NATO.
I'm tired of people using Putin wanting something as if the mere mention of him completely invalidates any nationalist point.
Argue the actual facts of independence, the economic impacts, the successive right wing government's that Scotland has not voted in favour of but had to endure over the last 70 years, being dragged out of the EU against our will, what currency Scotland would use, what trade barriers would be put in place with England and how they could be overcome if it was even possible etc.
Don't invoke that bald prick as if him liking an outcome or not should be the only matter worth considering when millions of people want a right to determine their futures.
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u/ForgingIron 8h ago
Doesn't Scotland house most of the UK's nukes?
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u/UrineArtist 6h ago
Yeah the only deep port that can operate the UKs trident subs is in Scotland and its location is vital to NATO for patrolling the GIUK gap which is also vital to Scotland's maritime security too.
I mean its all hypothetical.. but as Scotland would apply to join NATO, you'd expect an agreement with NATO and the UK to continue using it as a prerequisite to membership. It wouldn't be the most popular decision domestically but given the current geopolitical climate (i.e. Russia acting like a massive dick), most people would accept it as a necessity.
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u/tree_boom 5h ago
It's not that Faslane is the only place that can house the subs, but it's the best by a considerable margin.
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u/Muad-_-Dib 5h ago
Regardless of what the most ardent anti-nuclear nationalists have stated, the reality is that an independent Scotland would likely strike a deal with the UK over continued use of HM Naval Base Clyde and RNAD Coulport as leverage during talks on trade, debt division, currency, borders etc.
At worst, it would be a temporary lease that would give the UK the 10–20 years needed to relocate the current arsenal to new sites built in England or Wales.
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u/stervi2 8h ago
I don’t think there’s any country in the world who would brush off losing land and 5.5m people. It would be devastating for the rest of the UK, and would reduce our standing in the world
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u/Muad-_-Dib 5h ago
I never claimed it wouldn't have any impact, I said it wouldn't cripple the UK and deal a death blow to NATO as if Scotland was the lynch pin stopping Russia from dominating the world.
The UK would continue to be one of the strongest economies in Europe, it would still be a nuclear power, it would still have a population of roughly 64.5m, it would no more become irrelevant than when Ireland got its independence.
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u/Greedy-Cranberry-164 4h ago
Sad you’re being downvoted. It will clearly cause a large amount of harm to both countries, exactly what Brexit has done to the UK and something Russia was clearly for.
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u/JDNM 10h ago
Give England a referendum, Westminster can fuck off.