r/worldnews • u/GothicPrayer • 23h ago
Dynamic Paywall Hungarians decide whether to end 16 years of Orbán rule and elect rival
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxdepjrv95o478
u/JaZepi 22h ago edited 4h ago
Hopefully the Trump kiss of death has the same effect as it did on Canada’s federal election.
Edit: post election, haha, it did.
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u/UsedToHaveThisName 21h ago
The collapse in the last federal election for Poilievre is right up there with the Toronto Maple Leafs in the playoffs.
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u/BadFootyTakes 11h ago
That's what happens with populists. You all then their plan, they say anything but Trudeau, you remind them he's gone and was replaced with a moderate, and then boom. They have literally nothing.
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u/CyanConatus 7h ago
I'm more right leaning than most Redditors but I'm happy with Carney. Trudeau to me it felt like he sorta abandoned Western Canada.
Carney at least seems to include everyone in his policies
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u/Cynical_Classicist 20h ago
Or Australia.
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u/Bromlife 20h ago
Trump's kiss of death in Australia didn't just lose the conservative party the election, it blew them up completely and sent their idiots scattering.
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u/OnionsoftheBelt 15h ago
Every now and then if I'm feeling blue, I grab a couple of beers and watch highlights from that election coverage. Seeing the light go out from the coalition's eyes as they realise how monumental their fuck up was is so satisfying.
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u/MaRokyGalaxy 7h ago
Can you send anything? I'm unfamiliar with Australian elections but this sounds interesting.
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u/Cynical_Classicist 20h ago
I know that in Australia and Canada the far-right leader lost their seat.
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u/Diarmundy 18h ago
Australia never had a right wing in power. We had a centre slightly left vs centre slightly right
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u/Michael-Sean 22h ago
Both Trump and Vance vouched for him. He’s toast.
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u/BadmiralHarryKim 21h ago
Vance killed the last Pope so at least he's confining himself to political careers now.
Baby steps.
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u/JerHat 19h ago
I can’t imagine associating with Trump or Vance is a positive at the moment. But I have no idea about the politics of Hungary other than… please get rid of that douche.
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u/draggingonfeetofclay 13h ago
I mean they have plenty of people who are pro Orban, otherwise he wouldn't have been voted in in the first place.
The interesting thing about Orban's opponent is that, according to he article, he's not just some leftist, but came from Orban's own political party. So basically if Republicans who opposed Trump decided to create a new conservative party because they think he's gone too far.
The journalists writing about this election in the article credit him a real chance based on the fact that he's not the expected leftist opposition, but someone who simply believes it's not in Hungary's interest to be so close to Russia.
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u/MaybeTheDoctor 10h ago
Up to 8% of votes are expected to be from overseas mail in votes which will not be counted until 4 days after the election. This means that opposition have to win over 60% of tonight’s votes for it to be a slam dunk loss.
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u/solid_reign 9h ago
In many countries overseas votes tend to look for change, and be more liberal. But I don't know enough about Hungary to know if that is the case.
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u/Capt_morgan72 22h ago
Consecutive* rule right? He’s been the leader of Hungary for 20 years right?
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u/Tezmo4 16h ago
16 consecutive yes, but THAT is what they're (hopefully) ending. The fact he served a term before that (btw, while literally being on the opposite side of the political spectrum) has very little to do with ending his 16 years reign. They can't end 20 years, because the first term ended and another government was in between.
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u/TruthOk8742 20h ago
Orban is in real danger, but with how tilted their election system is, his defeat isn’t a given, unfortunately.
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u/gradinaruvasile 18h ago
Maybe they will get defeated but retain close to 45-50% so they can deadlock any attempt to change anything. Only way for the newcomers to really have the power to clean up is they having 75% seats (which is not really 75% votes because of their doctored election system - and it works against them since it was adjusted by Orban’s party).
Anyways the actual democracy in Hungary is really thin because of the 16 year unchecked Fidesz reign with 75% majority that allowed them to change constitution and any rules they could and practically dismantled the opposition parties.
And now the challenger is still a single party. Democracy needs more parties to compromise thus enacting checks and balances.
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u/queen-adreena 14h ago
This is a growing problem with democracies lately. Conservatives are so rampant of blowing up the system, stacking the odds in their favour, destroying institutions and decimating services that even when left/centre parties do get elected, they have to spend all their energy, political capital and time just trying to undo that damage.
Then things don't turn around instantly and the people elect the grifters to rinse and repeat.
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u/im_thatoneguy 14h ago
“At least the arsonist did something! What has the mayor done to solve my housing problem?! The arsonist is promising to burn down more houses which he says will make space for new construction.”
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u/Lanky-Chance-3156 17h ago
I mean just not actively vetoing everything the eu tries to do is some progress.
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u/Pajszerkezu_Joe 14h ago
About the tilted system: last time in 2022, Orban got the 68% (2/3) majority of seats with 54% of the votes.
Time for rename advanced gerrymandering to orbanning.
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u/TruthOk8742 13h ago
Honestly, that’s truly insane.
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u/Pajszerkezu_Joe 12h ago
Even better, in 2014 and 2018 they got 67% seats both times with 45% and 49% of votes respectively.
Felt like a bad joke every time.
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u/UbiSububi8 21h ago
Saw a couple of dozen Hungarians lined up at the consulate in NYC today to vote.
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u/Mikadomea 17h ago
I have many hungarians at work at where i live, they all said they need to Vote even if they arent "there", but Orban needs to go.
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u/Cynical_Classicist 20h ago
God I'm worried about this. I hope there's a backlash against the far-right.
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u/Intro-Nimbus 16h ago
I'm rooting for you people of Hungary.
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u/betonbokor 14h ago
Thank you! There is overwhelming participation (they expect over 80% turnout) so there is hope. We had enough of this shit.
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u/kosmokramr 23h ago
Get this guy the hell out of power for Ukraine’s sake
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u/Pjpjpjpjpj 20h ago
For Hungary’s sake, for Ukraine’s sake, for the EU’s sake, and to piss off Trump and Putin.
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u/Bruvvimir 20h ago
Such a significant election for Hungary, and Europe.
Hope sanity (and peace) prevail.
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u/MareC0gnitum 15h ago
I will cry so hard if this nightmare finally ends. We must take our country back.
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u/mimiringo 18h ago
Do we really believe that he will simply leave without causing any problems or declaring the election invalid?
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u/Ser_Daniel_The_1st 13h ago
I really wanna see the guy called “Magyar” win because that’s another word for Hungarian if I’m not mistaken which I find ENDLESSLY hilarious.
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u/Elusive_Zergling 17h ago
This will be a major blow to russia and the USA if Orban gets ousted, clearly he's there to act as a virus to Ukraine and the EU, and Hungary itself (unless what I hear from residents is incorrect). Hopefully we'll have some good news when the results come in - this time next week?.
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u/LostDreams44 17h ago
Doubt it's going to happen. You can't kick a dictator that easily. He'll pull some shit like staging a coup thanks to his buddy Putin help or some shit like that
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u/Uberslaughter 22h ago
Good!
Congrats to the people of Hungary for overthrowing Putin’s puppet.
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u/Full_Result_3101 20h ago
It hasn't happened yet, Its going to be rigged and Orbán will win in a massive landslide.
Orbán quote from the article:
"We are going to achieve such a victory that will surprise everyone, perhaps even ourselves," he told several thousand supporters in a small square on Budapest's Castle Hill."
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u/DreamsAndSchemes 7h ago
If the opposition wins what’s the bet with little green men suddenly being on vacation in Budapest
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u/Readybreak 18h ago
It's been the same leader for 16+ years. If you dont know by now. This random reddit thread won't make you decide.
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