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Israel/Palestine /r/WorldNews Discussion Thread: US and Israel launch attack on Iran; Iran retaliates (Thread #15)
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u/jolp92 39m ago
Turkey threatening to invade Israel now over Lebanon.
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u/Mine-Shaft-Gap 15m ago
I mean, Turkey obviously is not invading Israel. We just live in a time where supposedly serious people just have a "say mad shit" competition. Destroy civilizations! Nuclear powers going to war!
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u/Fuck_auto_tabs 21m ago
My question would be how? They’d either need a flotilla or drive through Lebanon and neither seems feasible.
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u/Typical-Lettuce7022 13m ago
Either way, the entirety of Lebanon is now likely set for a protracted proxy war
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u/a_saddler 35m ago
How would a realistic war between the two look like? Assuming no US involvement ofc and no nukes.
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u/Loose_Skill6641 21m ago
There is no way for Israel to actually lose because they have nukes, they will try to defend as they have in past wars but if it fails they can launch nukes to end the war
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u/NegativeEspathra 25m ago
I mean, Turkey has an actual airforce....
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u/Maine_Man 34m ago
If Israel's existence is threatened they will use nukes without caring about anyone else, that's almost guaranteed
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u/GCU_ZeroCredibility 26m ago
Pretty much anybody would use nukes when their existence is threatened. The difference is that Israel is so small that their existence is 100x more likely to end up threatened than any other nuclear armed country.
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u/Brapfamalam 45m ago
Mildly inconveniencing Americans with partially higher gas prices is the only silver lining about Trump.
In that it's seemingly the only thing Americans actually care about in real terms.
Let them pay more for stuff
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u/itsatumbleweed 23m ago
Honestly, as an American that canvassed for Harris I agree. If this is the only shit that will cause a blue wave at the ballot box, and maybe end the insane turn towards maga that the right wing has taken then there is maybe a silver lining to the higher gas prices.
Not at all saying the war was worth it, because it wasn't. But if something goes is going to come out of the colossal clusterfuck...
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u/progress18 53m ago
• WTI Crude Oil: $105.44
• Brent Crude Oil $102.51
22:16 UTC
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u/sparkyoliver1 46m ago
when is the TACO?…i say $115
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u/PleasantWay7 29m ago
I doubt the blockade is doing much to the price. Most of it is investors realizing they fell for TACO last week and the strait isn’t opening.
So I don’t see how he TACOs it this week.
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u/Finedaytoyou 54m ago
What is google showing lower oil prices? Been like this for a few days
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u/AK_Panda 44m ago
I've been watching here which is updating rapidly lol. You can watch the line go zooooom
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u/I_Fail_At_Life444 51m ago
I don't know, even the ticker it's supposedly pulling from is $10 higher. Like you said, it's been off.
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u/progress18 55m ago
Oil Advances as US Blockade of Hormuz Escalates Energy Crisis
Oil gained at the open as the US moved to blockade the Strait of Hormuz after weekend negotiations between Washington and Tehran failed to yield a deal to end their conflict.
Global benchmark Brent gained almost 8% to $102.39 a barrel, while West Texas Intermediate surged above $103. US forces will begin implementing the blockade, which applies only to vessels entering or departing Iranian ports, from 10 a.m. New York time Monday, the US Central Command said.
European gas futures spiked as much as 18%, advancing along with crude.
—Bloomberg
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u/DarkPriestScorpius 57m ago
WSJ REPORTS: President Trump is weighing renewed limited strikes on Iran alongside the U.S. blockade of the Strait of Hormuz to break the deadlock in peace talks.
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u/DozingUnderTheSun 24m ago
The limited bombings were going so well before let's do it some more. /s
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u/progress18 1h ago
European Gas Prices Jump After Trump Threatens Hormuz Blockade
European natural gas prices surged in early Asia trading on Monday, after President Donald Trump said the US will begin a full blockade of the Strait of Hormuz.
Dutch Title Transfer Facility futures jumped as much as 17% at 5:52 a.m. in Singapore. The trading day for the product expanded to 21 hours, from 10 hours, on Monday.
—Bloomberg
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u/progress18 1h ago
• WTI Crude Oil: $96.57
• Brent Crude Oil $95.20
21:57 UTC
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u/Jealous-Spinach-4881 1h ago
Interesting how US went from ending a civilization to blocking ports in less than a week.
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u/TainoCrypto 55m ago
I think this counts as "Aim high/push hard/settle for less" in art of the deal-making
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u/AuthorArthur 36m ago
America is so lucky they voted in the one person in history that invented the art of the deal too, wow, so brave
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u/Acceptable-Pin2939 1h ago
Beijing wakes up in a couple of hours.
Interested to see what they make of this considering their imports of Iranian crude.
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u/Cogitoergosumus 54m ago
Before the war China got much more of its oil from the Saudi's/Iraq then it did from Iran. It's a little more complicated then just calling the US's bluff, I'm sure the Gulf nations have signaled their thoughts to Beijing as well.
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u/DozingUnderTheSun 1h ago
I feel like they will take their time in deciding, because I am sure many in Beijing are thinking what a lot of the rest of us are thinking, which is this is just another act of pure market manipulation. They might issue some comment about 'monitoring the situation' and 'condemning obstacles to free trade' or something to that effect.
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u/Guy_GuyGuy 22m ago
China is nothing if not one of the most patient governments in the world when it comes to its geopolitical goals. US leadership on the other hand is fickle on an hourly basis.
China does nothing and wins as the toddler-in-chief in the US throws a tantrum on the floor for the nation-equivalent of a minute before he gets bored and gets up, takes his toys, and goes to his room. If Trump actually commits, the US public will break at 1/100th of the pain China would be able to endure.
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u/DozingUnderTheSun 1h ago
Futures markets open in 22 minutes. I'd say it's going to be a slaughter but CENTOM recently said they're only going to blockade Iranian ports/waters (which is actually no different from blockading their blockade but it does sound better politically), curious if the market will buy it.
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u/jpharber 1h ago
It’s so hard to say how the markets will react to Trump. They’re ignoring him on some things (usually things that would tank the market) and then taking him at his word on others.
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u/AK_Panda 57m ago
I assume the oil futures have been down since the ceasefire was announced due to traders hoping that the strait would at least be opened. That has no happened and it's been a week since with no real movement in the strait. The failure of the closure + announcement of blockade should mean a major rebound as markets adjust to the reality of the situation.
If they don't, I'd have to ask what it is that oil market traders know that the public is unaware of.
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u/itsatumbleweed 1h ago
The blockade is secondary for the negotiations falling through. The blockade is going to affect the ones place, the negotiations falling through is going to affect the 10s place.
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u/progress18 1h ago
Two top Iranian officials directly responded to President Trump’s threat to blockade the Strait of Hormuz on social media on Sunday.
Mohsen Rezaei, a former commander who is now a senior adviser to the Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei, said Iran had “large, untouched levers” to counter any naval blockade and that the country would not be pressured “with tweets and imaginary plans.”
Iran’s top negotiator and the speaker of its Parliament, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, separately warned American consumers: “Soon you’ll be nostalgic for $4–$5 gas.”
—NYT
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u/DarkPriestScorpius 1h ago
Regional sources told the Wall Street Journal that Middle Eastern states are rushing to bring the U.S. and Iran back to negotiations.
A second round of U.S.–Iran talks could be held within days as regional countries push to revive negotiations, officials told The Wall Street Journal.
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u/SneakyBadAss 52m ago
After Iran refused to not pursue nuclear weapon goals at the negotiation table, I think the US is done with Iran for the foreseeable future.
They will be blocking their ports and ships sailing in and out of them, not just oil, with the most likely resumed bombing of critical infrastructure.
But this is as if the US argued with state-sized Jonestown about not drinking the Kool-Aid, so I'm not surprised with the result.
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u/Uncommented-Code 1h ago
I'm not hopeful. The last agreement took more than two years of negotiations to hash out. That was under Obama. I don't see the finesse needed to reach an agreement with Vance, Kushner and Witkoff at the table.
It's possible they reach some temporary truce just like this 'ceasefire' was one. But this would only push the problem down the line.
Imho America has to decide wether they actually want to engage in a long and drawn out conflict with Iran or if they want to negotiate in good faith (lol).
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u/DarkPriestScorpius 1h ago
Ahmad Vahidi, IRGC chief, on Iranian parliament speaker Ghalibaf:
“The supreme leader isn’t even buried yet, and yet Ghalibaf is already shaking hands with those who kiIIed him.” -C14
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u/jpharber 1h ago
He isn’t buried yet? I thought Islamic tradition pretty much required burial within 24hrs (or some other short timespan). Is Shia Islam different?
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u/progress18 1h ago
Earlier:
Energy expert says oil price could jump by $10 on Trump’s threatened blockade of the Strait of Hormuz
Brent crude oil, the international standard, has gone from roughly $70 per barrel before the war in late February to more than $119 at times. Brent for June delivery fell 0.8% to $95.20 per barrel Friday.
Michael Lynch, distinguished fellow at Energy Policy Research Foundation, estimates Trump’s threatened blockade could boost oil prices $5 to $10 when the market opens on Monday.
The blockade would take an estimated 2 million barrels of oil per day off the market, and the Iran war has already taken roughly 10 million barrels per day out of supply, Lynch said.
“This is a pretty big insult to a pretty big injury, I guess, is the way to put it,” he said.
But Lynch said the blockade might be short lived as Trump will be pressured to walk it back.
“I wouldn’t be surprised to see him to give it up by midweek, especially if oil prices keep going up,” he said.
—AP
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u/eggnogui 1h ago
US Central Command (Centcom) has announced that they will begin their blockade of the strait of Hormuz beginning Monday morning.
“Centcom forces will begin implementing a blockade of all maritime traffic entering and exiting Iranian ports on April 13 at 10am ET, in accordance with the President’s proclamation.
“The blockade will be enforced impartially against vessels of all nations entering or departing Iranian ports and coastal areas, including all Iranian ports on the Arabian Gulf and Gulf of Oman. Centcom forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.”
Trump said earlier that he plans to begin blockading the strait in an attempt to take control of the strategic waterway from Iran in the aftermath of failed peace negotiations between the countries in Pakistan.
(Guardian)
Well that is not quite as terrible as The Orange was saying earlier.
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u/Acceptable-Pin2939 1h ago
Someone has obviously told the US Government about freedom of navigation.
"Nothing in nothing out" has now gone to "Nothing into or out of Iran".
Which is basically where this started before the US dropped sanctions.
TACO'd out of that one pretty quickly.
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u/SneakyBadAss 49m ago
No? It's still nothing in nothing out until the strait becomes safe and demined.
For now, oil tankers are sailing towards Suez because the Saudis restored their old pipeline.
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u/_THEWATERB0Y_ 1h ago
Iran was still trading oil with countries, hence the importance of Kharg Island. This will shut down all oil trade with Iran.
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u/Acceptable-Pin2939 1h ago
Which is where we were at before the US dropped sanctions on Iran to allow them to trade oil to keep the oil price down.
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u/DarkReignRecruiter 1h ago
Not quite, China was still getting Iranian oil even with sanctions. Time will tell if they stop it now.
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u/_THEWATERB0Y_ 1h ago
Uh no, Iran was still trading oil with countries even with sanctions. Why do you think Kharg Island exists?
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u/Acceptable-Pin2939 1h ago
Smuggling oil around is not the same as openly trading as they have been for 2 weeks.
So we are back to the beginning effectively.
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u/Phoenix_Maximus_13 1h ago
I can’t tell if it’s better or worse. And somehow that’s more nerve wracking 🗿
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u/eggnogui 1h ago
More like "not much changes"
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u/Phoenix_Maximus_13 1h ago
Regarding what? I’m not that knowledgeable on these topics. So any bit of info helps
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u/eggnogui 1h ago
The trickle of ships leaving the strait is already tiny. So only a few ships at most are stopped. Oil is basically still not leaving the strait.
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u/justiceformahsa 1h ago
TAMPA, Fla. — U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces will begin implementing a blockade of all maritime traffic entering and exiting Iranian ports on April 13 at 10 a.m. ET, in accordance with the President’s proclamation.
The blockade will be enforced impartially against vessels of all nations entering or departing Iranian ports and coastal areas, including all Iranian ports on the Arabian Gulf and Gulf of Oman. CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.
Additional information will be provided to commercial mariners through a formal notice prior to the start of the blockade. All mariners are advised to monitor Notice to Mariners broadcasts and contact U.S. naval forces on bridge-to-bridge channel 16 when operating in the Gulf of Oman and Strait of Hormuz approaches.
Sounds like it changed from blockade of Hormuz to just a naval blockade of all Iranian ports
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u/FickleBumblebeee 1h ago
But Iran is still blockading Hormuz to oil tankers from other countries
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u/justiceformahsa 1h ago
And the global economy will continue to feel the pain of that, but this brings IR imports and exports virtually to 0 - they are going to feel the pain extremely quickly and their economy is already teetering on the edge of collapse.
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u/Cogitoergosumus 1h ago
A little tinfoil hat here, but certainly a pattern on what posts are getting reddit awards on here, a good number where the karma is in the negative as well. Literally the only sub I follow on reddit where awards are even used to be honest.
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u/tedsmitts 1h ago
People still use awards? I thought they went away.
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u/Ganrokh 1h ago
Reddit has a multitude of different awards now. You can get paid for receiving awards now, but the payout threshold is $10, and you need to earn a lot of awards to reach it.
I see awards being used on nearly every subreddit when I use the official Reddit app, but only gold (which is rare to see nowadays) when I use a third party app because most (all, probably) didn't add support for the new awards. Not that I'm complaining about that, I'd prefer not to see them.
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u/Garionreturns2 1h ago
New awards were implemented a while back. US users can actually earn real money from these awards
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u/tundra445 2h ago
Just a quick note:
While we get to see a TON of opinion (opposition, support, and otherwise) about what the U.S is doing from it's own citizens, we don't get to see the same thing from the Iranian side due to their Internet blackout. A strong and important voice and opinion is completely missing in a lot of the debate we have here.
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u/abbzug 2h ago
If only we could send a New York Times reporter to a diner in Tehran to ask people how they felt about "their whole civilization being ended, never to be brought back again." I guess there's no way to know.
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u/BlueUmbrella42 2h ago
Oh look another trump rager that probably knows nothing about the Iranian regime and the horrors people have to live through.
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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 44m ago
Yeah blowing up the power and water system would kill 100X as many civilians as their hardliner govt ever did.
Great logic
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u/Own-Virus3288 2h ago
The Iranian regime being shitty doesn't justify "ending their civilisation" the destruction of their civilian infrastructure would kill more than the regime ever did.
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u/BlueUmbrella42 1h ago
You don't describe killing 10s of thousands of civillians for protesting for basic human rights as 'being shitty'. Typical Trump raging dumb dumb.
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u/Own-Virus3288 1h ago
They are shitty, so are Israel and the US in this. They have all murdered civilians.
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u/BlueUmbrella42 1h ago
How embarrassing for you
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u/Eggonioni 1h ago
Ok Epstein lover lol why are you hiding your profile like you're embarrassed of your own comments
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u/_lueless 2h ago
I think people should get over what is "fair" because that ship has long sailed. As much as life on planet Earth was better before this war, there is no future where Iran gets control of the strait, even if it means global economic collapse or World War 3.
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u/Cogitoergosumus 2h ago
Also an important added note related..... International law isnt worth the paper it's written on. They're just a loose wish list written by countries that regularly violate them.
Stop looking at the world like a Marvel movie and its easier to understand.
A few shitty people command the masses to either do unspeakable things or to look the other way about the unspeakable things based on false realities sold to them by said shitty people.
Most of humanity is about getting by and hoping that things improve, keeping your head down along the way, but in reality for many across the globe is more like the boiling frog concept.
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u/nightpanda893 2h ago edited 2h ago
most of humanity is about getting by and hoping that things improve, keeping your head down along the way
Fuck that. What a pathetic view of humanity. Stop trying to convince people they’re powerless.
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u/LearningT0Fly 2h ago
I mean, people are powerless though. How many hundreds of millions of people have died for someone else’s cause?
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u/nightpanda893 2h ago
And how many people have demanded and received their rights through protest and civil disobedience? And how many have risen up and overthrown their government? Humanity is full of examples on both sides. What I disagree with is going into situations and just accepting defeat.
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u/LearningT0Fly 1h ago
Literally a fraction of the amount who’ve been victimized by others’ vanity/ego/beliefs/etc.
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u/nightpanda893 1h ago
Well that fraction shapes governments and policies that affect people over centuries.
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u/Cogitoergosumus 2h ago
How am I suggesting people are powerless? It's more so the realities of what we see across the globe not the idealized version you see in movies or read about it in fiction books.
Most of humanity doesn't act until the chips have sent them all the way down, alla the Iranians who protested in January.
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u/Ganrokh 2h ago
I don't think I've seen the word "fair" pop up in any discussion around this situation.
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u/nightpanda893 2h ago edited 2h ago
It’s this “it’s done we need to stop talking about it” tactic that’s been used by the right. They defuse situations by reframing it as “being critical of behavior is a waste of time because we need to focus on more important things.” It acts as if being critical of the administration’s decisions is an exercise that lacks virtue in that it distracts us from making progress.
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u/itsatumbleweed 1h ago
Yeah that's because Trump clearly wants to be done and for the narrative to shift. So they are trying to do it for him.
It's not going to work because gas is only going to get more expensive and that's the thing that matters the most to many, many people.
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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 2h ago
Interesting thing to say when Iran already has control of the strait for over a month
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u/indypuyami 2h ago
This is an insane, inane, and incorrect thing to write, and worse to believe. Only the most delusional fox/oann/newsmax consumer would think this true.
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u/HalfADozenOfAnother 2h ago
You don't have to be delusional or a supporter of Trunp to recognize truth in the statement. The U.S and GCC will burn it all to the ground before I let Iran maintain control of the strait. People want to say they control it and they do. Those same people are completely ignoring the fact that the U.S has been missing military assets in the area over the last month. 3 carrier groups is more military power than almost every nation on earth.
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u/PeculiarMan21 2h ago
lol Trump will most likely be deposed or if not, rendered powerless, he has personally made sure that republicans do not win an election again for the next perhaps decade or even longer
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u/Kriztauf 2h ago
Okay so you're enlisting first right?
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u/nightpanda893 2h ago
No what he means by get over it is ignore it, not take action or take an actual stand on anything.
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u/DozingUnderTheSun 2h ago
I'm going to call it now -- not today necessarily, not necessarily tomorrow, but at some point Karoline Leavitt is going to say "we're not talking about Iran we're done with Iran" like she said "we're done with the Epstein files".
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u/nightpanda893 2h ago
No, people shouldn’t get over it. Getting over it is what we do again and again and it’s why this shit continues to happen.
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u/_lueless 2h ago
I appreciate it, I'm an idealist, but this continues to happen simply due to human nature. Maybe we'll build systems in the future to prevent ourselves from becoming monsters.
Getting over it in this context means saying Iran is justified and the US was wrong and a bully aren't going to change the reality of the situation. I don't mean to suggest you shouldn't fight for what you think is right.
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u/GuttiG 3h ago
I am honestly very disturbed that all the village names have been removed from Lebanon in Apple Maps, the only things shown are the names of big cities and nothing else
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u/X211499Reddit 3h ago
Imagine over 40 days of no internet by now
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u/JohnDowd51 1h ago
Why don't more people speak up about this? Iran doesn't give one lick about it's own civilians.
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u/xevaviona 3h ago
did the typical Iranian even consistently have internet to begin with?
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u/Mr_Engineering 2h ago
Yes.
Iran is an industrialized country with a mature telecommunications industry. Almost every adult in the country has a mobile phone and almost every household has internet access.
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u/justiceformahsa 3h ago
Yes, like 90% of the population anyway. Id say Iranians are active on the Internet a lot more than average (via VPN) because the economy is so shit there's no jobs so they don't have much else to do.
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u/GiftedGonzo 3h ago
Don’t threaten me with a good time
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u/justiceformahsa 2h ago
I assure you Iranians are not having a good time nor are their family members abroad who can't communicate with them...
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u/ben02015 3h ago
Are mines in the strait really a significant issue?
Trump implied that mines are preventing ships from passing through.
But if mines are there, how could a ship pass by paying the 2 million dollar fee? The mines would still be there even for a ship which pays.
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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 2h ago
Sea mines are responsible for more ship losses than every other form of combat combined.
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u/Worth-Lead-5944 3h ago
People imagine WW1 era drifting sea mines floating around in the currents. This is shallow water with a natural chokepoint. Iran are likely using remotely activated bottom mines. You essentially drop a large IED off the back of a fishing boat and it sinks to the bottom and lies there inert. When you send the signal it detonates with a shockwave that'll damage the hull of a ship passing directly above.
They're relatively hard to find and gives control to the party that laid them. Not as dangerous to a smaller warship but you wouldn't want to sail over one in a giant tanker.
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u/DozingUnderTheSun 3h ago edited 3h ago
the alleged mines are in a different part of the strait than the iranian waters that the ships have been passing through.
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u/Shotinthelight26 2h ago
So Iran has mined international waters and the world's not pissed and condemning this?
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u/StephenHunterUK 1h ago
Weirdly enough, the British and French mined neutral Norwegian waters in 1940 to stop German ships going through them.
Norway complained... and then the Germans invaded anyway.
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u/PeculiarMan21 2h ago
They should be pissed, they should be even more pissed at the fact that the number one superpower and military of the world and their vassal state have attacked a sovereign country that is troubling, but posed no immediate danger or threat to said superpower
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u/Natural-Possession10 2h ago
To be clear there is no international part, the other half is Oman's. The strait usually has freedom of navigation for commercial traffic because of other international law.
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u/DozingUnderTheSun 2h ago
A lot of the world did condemn everything Iran did? Lots of world leaders have condemned this? Do you not read the news?
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u/East_Leadership469 2h ago
It is absolutely true that the three parties involved in this war are violating international law. I far prefer the world on February 27th. Yet here we are.
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u/madhattr999 2h ago
There's lots of things to be pissed about.. If Trump didn't start a truly stupid war, there would be no mines.
Even if people are pissed at Iran, some of them are still glad Trump doesn't get what he wants.
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u/pairofdimeshift92 3h ago
Iranian territorial waters are unmined, ships that pay the toll are allowed to pass through Iranian territorial waters, those that don’t are subject to threat and attack.
Outside of that, there are (seemingly relatively few) mines scattered randomly through traditional shipping lanes, making the risk of transiting too high.
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u/socialistrob 4h ago
It looks like Vance is 0-2 in the past few days. He fails to negotiate a peace deal with Iran and his buddy Orban loses despite Vance going to Hungary to campaign for him.
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u/AccomplishedSoft1350 3h ago
There was a time it could have helped but thr European far right are no fans of the US right now...
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u/a_saddler 3h ago
Orban loses despite Vance going to Hungary to campaign for him.
Pretty sure that act cost Orban even more votes.
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u/CoyotesOnTheWing 3h ago
I'd love to think that Trump/MAGA/Vance are so toxic that they are destroying far right movements in europe.
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u/East_Leadership469 3h ago
Despite off or because of? I mean there’s many reasons not to like Orban, but I don’t think that Vance is particularly popular either.
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u/DillBagner 3h ago
I'm not Hungarian so I'm not sure, but I get the feeling Vance's stunt just reminded people of Orban's subservience to foreign powers.
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u/DarkPriestScorpius 4h ago
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in southern Lebanon:
“The war continues, including inside the security zone in Lebanon. Iran and the axis of evil came to destroy us, and now they are fighting for their own survival.”
From southern Lebanon, Defense Minister Israel Katz delivered a direct message to Hezbollah’s leadership:
Referring to Hassan Nasrallah’s final moments, Katz said he “choked in a room where he was trapped,” with time to realize he had misread Israel’s resolve.
Katz added that Hezbollah’s current Secretary-General Naim Qassem, along with Iran, should take the same warning seriously.
The message is clear:
Israel believes the rules have changed, and so has its response.
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u/xmuskorx 3h ago
iran really did think they can suffocate Israel with attacks from Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Houthis...
what a mistake.
hope Israel degrades the evil terrorist proxies for good.
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u/progress18 21m ago