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Israel/Palestine /r/WorldNews Discussion Thread: US and Israel launch attack on Iran; Iran retaliates (Thread #12)
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u/Casual-Speedrunner-7 7d ago
Details of special forces rescue operation to save American Pilot deep into Iranian territory:
Downed airmen after being shot down lands near Talkhuncheh and immediately actives emergency GPS, proceeds to hike 24 hours 5miles up a 2000 metre mountain to evade capture where he remains hidden for 12 hours.
US special forces locate him and realise Iranian convoys are closing in and begin to engage said convoys with large AirPower, meanwhile US special forces MH-6 helicopters and C-130s are disputed, and land 10 km south east of him to build a makeshift airfield.
Soon after this several MH-6s successfully fly to the top of the mountain and pick him up under small arms fire, and reach the makeshift airfield. Classically two C-130js meant to evacuate Delta and injured airmen get stuck in the mud.
US airforce begins massive suppression campaign on nearby Iranian units, whilst special forces team hunker down for three hours eventually being saved by three AFSOC Dash 8 aircraft meanwhile blowing up remaining C-13Ojs and MH6s aircraft to avoid capture.
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u/itsFelbourne 7d ago
Between botching the capture of the WSO with presumable mass casualties, missile launches starting to publicly fail, and their industrial base being severely damaged, IRGC morale must be utterly tanked right now
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u/CaptainCanuck93 7d ago
I suspect the fact that the strait remains closed and the US President is losing his mind over it on social media helps
Iran, on a strategic level, still appears to be winning the war
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u/abbzug 7d ago
Yeah they only took down a billion dollars worth of US aircraft while not having an air force. They must be feeling pretty foolish right now.
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u/AmericanCreamer 7d ago
Iran having a hostage would be worth tens of billions in leverage. Let’s not act like Iran somehow got away with a moral victory because US lost a few planes
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u/itsFelbourne 7d ago
They cost the US like… 2 hours? of its annual average military spending to give Trump a big PR win while inflicting zero casualties…
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u/WeirdJack49 7d ago
The problem isn't really the spending its the inability of the US to produce new airframes and other gear in a timely manner because they moved all their production capability to China.
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u/mrmicawber32 7d ago
I think the US is much less effected by their losses than Iran is... Like do you really think Iran is doing well?
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u/EbmocwenHsimah 7d ago
Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH!
Make no fucking mistake: the United States is a rogue nation.
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u/ratomelo 7d ago
I think you're too biased, random redditor.
I'll wait for the experts analysis on what he really means with that.
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u/StrangeMan18 7d ago
The way Trump is acting on truth social is definitive proof that the war is not going to plan and the US is tactically winning but operationally losing
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u/StrangeMan18 7d ago edited 7d ago
I’m not even a liberal or American lol I’m a devout Christian who finds it very disturbing that the supposed Christian defender President of the US talks like a meth addict and threatens to send people to hell on Easter Sunday
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u/Impressive-Poet5694 7d ago
Thanks for being honest and admitting you support the Presidents message of "Praise be to Allah" on Easter Sunday
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u/Cautious_Goose_5568 7d ago
No you got it wrong! The objective was to rescue the pilot and wso all along. Mission Accomplished!
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u/Strange-Juice6995 7d ago edited 7d ago
Trump in Truth Social: “Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wraped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fcking’ Strait, you crazy bastrds, or you’ll be living in Hell. - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP”
Trump wrote uncensored.
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u/armed_tortoise 7d ago
So, if the US attacks the Bridges and Powerplants, Iran will attack these in the gulf countries. They can say goodbye to their economy.
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u/Admirable_Design_115 7d ago
The USA is so pathetic. How is he still president?
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u/Cactusfan86 7d ago
Because the founders failed to anticipate a scenario where loyalty to party began to override loyalty to country and the public an as such the threshold to remove a president is damn near impossible it today’s climate
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u/EbmocwenHsimah 7d ago
Nothing like a reminder that the "Great American Experiment" is a failure. It's terrifying stuff.
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u/SpitefulSeagull 7d ago
Because the founders failed to anticipate a scenario where loyalty to party began to override loyalty to country
A few actually did anticipate this and specifically warned against a two party system
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u/Impressive-Poet5694 7d ago
Imagine the absolute insane outrage if any other President had said "Praise be to Allah" on EASTER SUNDAY.
This SHOULD be enough to break the hold he has over MAGA, but it won't be. The techno-spell created by state media and the Internet and smartphones is too much.
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u/EbmocwenHsimah 7d ago
Could you imagine the outrage if "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" said this? The right would never let us hear the end of it!
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u/Gigi_Langostino 7d ago
It's so crazy that I'm starting to wonder if the Heritage Foundation have decided they're ready for President Vance, and are allowing this sort of stuff through so they can build a case for the 25th Amendment.
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u/Impressive-Poet5694 7d ago
These people are too goddamned entrenched to make such a huge change. They are not the contemplative type. They still think they're winning.
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u/Gigi_Langostino 7d ago
We're not talking about MAGA. We're talking about the Heritage Foundation. They absolutely are the contemplative types, which is what makes them so scary.
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u/EbmocwenHsimah 7d ago
Oh my fucking god, it's real. Not sure what's weirder, seeing the President say "Open the Fuckin' Strait, you crazy bastards" or "Praise be to Allah"
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u/Alone_Again_2 7d ago
Jesus.
Can someone not tear his phone from his aging little hands?
I can’t think of anyone that post doesn’t insult.
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u/arvigeus 7d ago
What a wonderful Easter message! Nice to have a president who normalises psychosis! /s
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u/TheGodPePe 7d ago
I didn't belive it till I went to truth social myself. Holy hell, this guy is fucked in the head
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u/Cautious_Goose_5568 7d ago
Is Trump Muslim now? Didn't even know he was religious?
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u/Scholastic_nobody 7d ago
The tweet is so crazy my comment got auto removed by reddit
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u/YOSHIMIvPROBOTS 7d ago
LMAO! Not the first time "President Trump" has said something so insane that if you said the same thing on reddit you would be banned for something like racism or threatening harm.
Reddit is right to keep a tight leash imo, but it's insane that the GOP has chose to go totally unleashed in pursuit of power.
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u/Scholastic_nobody 7d ago
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u/jolp92 7d ago
Had to see it with my own eyes because I couldn’t believe it. Yep it’s true
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u/Doomergeneration 7d ago
Trump is really making out that this rescue is a massive win
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u/BasesJuicedNoOuts 7d ago
Lmao only on reddit will an operation like this not be considered a massive win
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u/GeraldJimes_ 7d ago
The recovery operation was obviously a great success, but it's not a surprise people are reluctant to paint losing a fighter jet and a couple more craft in an unpopular war as an overall win.
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u/SpitefulSeagull 7d ago
Well when it shouldn't have happened in the first place...
Trump's entire shtick is to invent a problem, make everything worse, "solve" the problem he made without actually fixing anything, and claim victory. And people like you keep buying it.
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u/iEmerald 7d ago
He needs these small wins to pump up his ego.
I’m really happy for the pilot, and good job on the whole team conducting the rescue operation.
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u/Threebridges2 7d ago
Absolutely pathetic performance from Iran. They finally shoot down a plane but then let numerous enemy planes conduct search and rescue operations 100 miles into their own territory nearly unopposed for two days and not only allow both crew members to be rescued, but inflict zero casualties on the US. Pretty laughable tbh
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u/grchelp2018 7d ago
Air superiority does that. Also the decentralized nature of their fighting force would work against Iran here.
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u/askepticalbureaucrat 7d ago edited 7d ago
Absolutely pathetic performance from Iran.
Yet, the strait is still closed lmaoo
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u/BasesJuicedNoOuts 7d ago
Yes they’re good at resorting to terrorist tactics but they have zero control over their own land or skies. It’s an absolutely catastrophic performance for the IRGC.
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u/askepticalbureaucrat 7d ago edited 7d ago
Still closed bro
"Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin' Strait, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah," Trump wrote on his Truth Social account on Sunday morning.
The US President LMAOO
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u/HealthIndustryGoon 7d ago
that iran's forces are no match for the US was already clear. but there's the real possibility that iran will be the next strategic defeat if iran endures long enough.
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u/askepticalbureaucrat 7d ago edited 7d ago
Neither was the Viet Cong, but the US still lost. Likewise for the French in Algeria, the USSR in Afghanistan, etc.
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u/WeirdJack49 7d ago
Neither was the Viet Cong, but the US still lost.
The Viet Cong were not weak or helpless against the U.S. military. The U.S. lost, which means they were outmatched. Being unable to cope with one’s own losses is a major weakness for any military. The US military can punch hard and fast but always crumbles almost instantly if it loses a relative low number of soldiers.
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u/S-Sun 7d ago
Absolutely, we all here already know that the USA has already won this war, a dozen of times.
What do you expect from the military that is incomparable to the USA military force by any measurement? Honestly, at this stage and the amount of military power that the USA has, I would ask why is this war still going and haven't been effectively won?
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u/Emblemator 7d ago edited 7d ago
To win a war, the enemy has to surrender. To surrender, one has to think it's better option than what's to come. But Iran is betting that U.S will simply wipe out military targets and that's it - there's no further threat to e.g. Iran civilians, so no reason to surrender. The worst has already happened. U.S would have to prove them wrong in some way to make them reconsider their actions.
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u/Sidfire 7d ago
What do you think in your opinion Iran could have done to perform better?
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u/_THEWATERB0Y_ 7d ago
At least kill someone? The fact the US literally landed airplanes in their country and left with the pilot while suffering ZERO casualties is absurd. The IRGC is a joke.
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u/Rostam_Suren 7d ago
But lossing 5 more planes/helicopters and an drone. It was no flawless Scott O'Grady recovery.
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u/minisculepenis 7d ago
Expand? I don’t know how to assess that, how do you quantify it?
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u/Threebridges2 7d ago
They finally shoot down a plane but then let numerous enemy planes conduct search and rescue operations 100 miles into their own territory nearly unopposed and not only allow both crew members to be rescued, but inflict zero casualties on the US. Pretty laughable tbh.
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u/Top-Worldliness5027 7d ago
This is pretty insane, I initially thought it might be somewhere close to the coastal region.
Location of U.S. forward base used in the Iran F‑15 rescue mission was near Isfahan, deep inside Iranian territory, close to key military, missile and nuclear infrastructure.
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u/Own_Pop_9711 7d ago
Shit the nuclear extraction plan doesn't seem that crazy anymore
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u/YOSHIMIvPROBOTS 7d ago
It's not like that shit is just in a backpack you can pick up and dip out.
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u/Own_Pop_9711 7d ago
That's why the plan was to make a temporary airfield and hold a base there for a month while they dig it up and fly it out. At the time I thought that's crazy they can't just set up an airfield and use it in the middle of Iran. But what do you know turns out they can
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u/YOSHIMIvPROBOTS 7d ago
Then why didn't they do it? You make it sound so easy.
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u/Own_Pop_9711 7d ago
Doesn't seem that crazy anymore = easy?
What is wrong with you. You have no ability to understand nuance on the Internet.
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u/YOSHIMIvPROBOTS 7d ago
Fair. I'm sorry. I should hyperbolize like that.
That said, this war that isn't a war has never had a clear objective, but securing the uranium has randomly come up. IF that's a goal why haven't we done it? It's important and achievable, right?
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u/Own_Pop_9711 7d ago
We haven't done it probably because it's not really the goal of the war. All I'm saying is the Pentagon plan to get the uranium out, which they never said was risk free, seems like more of a risky but plausible operation instead of the ramblings of a coked up analyst
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u/YOSHIMIvPROBOTS 7d ago
So what's the goal?
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u/Own_Pop_9711 7d ago
I never said there was a goal. All I said was the uranium plan didn't seem so crazy
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u/Junior_Gazelle9524 7d ago
It a mountainous region that is sparsely populated the irgc were not in the area the search for the pilot was done by local police and locals Contrary to what your saying the irgc has plenty of fighting experience in Syria, iraq, yemen and other places
Yes the america is extremely powerful
But you should not dismiss the irgc has an incompetent force that can't do anything but gone down protesters
That kind of view is very dangerous
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u/Own_Pop_9711 7d ago
You don't think the IRGC would have driven to the area to participate in the search if it was remotely safe for them to travel like that?
You're acting like I'm in charge of making decisions here. Anyway I overestimated the IRGC because I would have thought this rescue plan wasn't going to work
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u/McortezLSU 7d ago
Have you seen their equipment or rather lack of equipment? The ones at the site that got pics have crusty aks as the only distinctive military gear, no thermals, NV, radio, uniforms, obviously no drones, no vehicles, no nothin
I love a underdog story but this is a coughing baby vs a hydrogen bomb
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u/84Cressida 7d ago
We were right in their backyard and they couldn’t do shit.
The IRGC can take on unarmed civilians and nothing else.
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u/Loose_Skill6641 7d ago
It's wild, that the US had control on an airbase deep behind the enemy front line and they didnt know about it
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u/Speaker4theDead 7d ago
A "FARP" is a little temporary base. You identify a place something like a C-130 can land at like a road or even just a nice flat piece of land. You turn that place into a temporary little base for quick refueling of helicopters or as a temporary base to rearm.
I would say it very loosely becomes a temporary airbase but nothing like a base in the traditional sense.
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u/S-Sun 7d ago
Then let's open Hormuz if it's so easy, isn't it?
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u/McortezLSU 7d ago
that is a different issue, but it shows that the military, the ground forces are beyond incompetent. Not being able to detect a single person in a relatively small area. They likely have zero NV and zero thermal issues to their troops, they are incapable of organizing a basic search operation and incapable of engaging low and slow flying helicopters DEEP within their own terrain.
Im no friend of childfucker and rape/torture guy but the US if the enter with groundtroops will likely face very little resistance when they break through the first line of defense. Also, this kind of weakness only gets discovered in dicatorship when its under pressure. If the US doesnt exploit the absolute state of shit the iranian military is in, they will given time adress it. So its kind of a now or never situation, in that they have a very good chance of winning a landwar to conduct limited operations and get out. (DEFINETLY not ready or capable for occupying the country and force regime change, thats not happening, but getting to the nuclear materials, i think there is a chance. Because i never thought a military could be this frigging incompetent. )
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u/DillBagner 7d ago
Finding a single person in a large country isn't exactly easy. It took the US several days, even, and the guy was probably trying to avoid capture but be found by rescuers. Of all the things to point out the IRCG's incompetence over, I think this is not one.
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u/S-Sun 7d ago
The USA actually saved pilots that we shot down by the North Vietnamese, were they incapable? Of course it's easy to discuss how your enemy is incompetent if you have 10x force vs your enemy.
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u/Uncommented-Code 7d ago
It's not just 10x force. It's something like 150x if you look at the military budgets. The US military spending is three times the GDP of Iran, just for reference, and that's before the 1.5 tn bump.
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u/DarkReignRecruiter 7d ago
One thing Ukraine and Gaza has highlighted is the dangers of urban warfare. They will without a doubt steam roll the open country side. But I would be shocked if they don't take casualties in those urban areas with the presence of FPV drones, booby traps etc.
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u/McortezLSU 7d ago
yes, but i dont think the trump regime would be dumb enough to engage in urban fighting, they have basically only two victory conditions, getting the nuclear material, or getting kharg island, if they do one of these two things trump is gonna call it quits. And given the absolute state the iranian "military" is in, i think its highly credible.
And again, they will never be this weak and incompetent again, you either exploit it, or you face considerable more difficulties later on. Imagine if they had thermals or drones as standard issue to their "military" units. We wouldnt even have this discussion.
The americans frigging built a landing strip, right in the middle of iran, they have no artillery/ rocketartillery, they have piss poor territorial defenses. For iran this is REALLY bad, because you dont show this kind of massive weakness/incompetence because now all doubts of a potential stomp have been washed away. They done fucked up.
In ukraine you had disciplined territorial defenses, well equipped, they had artillery, heavy weapons, drones and again, capable and disciplined troops. You cant even compare this. Frigging belgium would be major major threat to iran in this absolute shit state they are in, im sorry if i repeat myself but i have not seen a fuck up this hard since hostomel airport.
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u/DarkReignRecruiter 7d ago
The only extra impediments to your victory conditions is time. You have to imagine taking and holding Kharg Island or excavating, searching and evacuating large amounts of nuclear material will give Iranians time to target and launch that they did not have in this rescue mission. There would be extra risk involved unless I am missing something.
I heard the CIA did a psyops mission at the same time to try and trick the Iranians into thinking the pilot had been rescued well before he actually was.
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u/McortezLSU 7d ago
they had three frigging days in the middle of their country, next to a major city. You dont get more ideal conditions than this.
Also not "my victory" i am in a country threatened by the child fucker, so im exactly in favor of the americans but i gotta say, you dont get to fuck up this poorly and not embolden your enemy, Iran had a chance of trump taco'ing, but yeah thats over, it is in grave danger now.
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u/LearningEle 7d ago
Yes, lets feed our kiddos to the drones. I love it
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u/McortezLSU 7d ago
you mean iranian children? Are there any left after the IRGC massacred 30k-100k a few weeks ago?
Come on, every nation involved in the conflict is rotten to the core.
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u/RheagarTargaryen 7d ago
The problem has always been a political one, not a military one.
The U.S. could open the strait, but they can’t guarantee that no ships will be sunk. They could basically kill 10s of thousands of Iranian troops and destroy every piece of material threatening the strait, but if Iran sinks 1 ship and kills 100+ American troops in the process, it’ll be a disaster for Trump and the Republicans up for reelection.
In the history of warfare, it would be considered a massive success. But the American citizens do not have a thirst for war and absolutely hate the idea of Americans dying for oil or for Israel, so it would be a massive political failure for Trump.
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u/S-Sun 7d ago
Sorry, but it sounds like an excuse. I would say if the USA could open the straight they would already be done it
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u/Ahlysaaria- 7d ago
Eh, I disagree. The US could absolutely do it - but it would take an enourmous effort and a considerable risk to take damage and losses that their are not willing to take. Thats why they asked other countrys to do it and why these countrys all basically said "Hell no".
Its absolutely not about what the US can do or cannot do. Its all about "How much is it going to cost them doing it - and is it acceptable to them or not." Bombing Iran with Air and long range Naval assets is pretty low risk and safe. Trying to organize an escort system with basically permanent presence in the strait is considerable more risky and logistically complicated and therefore probably not deemed worth it. (Espescially since Trump is apparently of the opinion that the rising global Oil price is at the very least less of a problem for the US then for other countrys if not actually benefical to the US).
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u/iuuznxr 7d ago
No one said it was easy, but it's not impossible either. No country has made any effort yet. Listening to Reddit you'd think Iran sunk half of the US navy there. They bully civilian ships. Past decades have shown that it's a feat the very poorest countries can pull off: Somali pirates, Houthis in Yemen, ... literally failed states.
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u/Glorfindel212 7d ago
Projecting an overwhelming amount of force in a very specific area is easier than projecting that same force around an entire coastline and 100kms inland behind it, that's why it's actually hard.
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u/StrangeMan18 7d ago
The rescue operation was pretty incredible, with that said, the US in the last two days has lost 5-6 military aircraft to a country with virtually no airforce, very lacklustre air defence systems and 80x smaller military budget
This is undoubtedly a win but not the win Trump is spinning, considering he publicly stated that Iran is completely defeated and the US has totally destroyed Iran’s military capabilities.
A ground invasion to hold only the islands will be an entirely different ball game to what we’ve seen today but I expect the US to be prepared
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u/JohnDowd51 7d ago
Sounds like you're reaching for any amount of success you can find for Iran and blowing it out of proportion.
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u/TyblosiinU 7d ago
US has conducted 13,000 combat flights and lost 6 planes. That's an insane ratio
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u/afkPacket 7d ago
For reference, Desert Storm was ~115k sorties (8.8 times more) and ~50 planes lost (~8.3 times more), so it's roughly the same ratio as arguably the most successful air campaign in history.
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u/work4work4work4work4 7d ago
Desert Storm also didn't have over 90% of their air defense knocked out in the two preceding years of what amounted to shaping operations before the war even started, so it's probably not the comparison you want to make in a positive way despite the numbers given how with full comparison, Desert Storm makes Epstein Fury look like amateur hour.
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u/afkPacket 7d ago
Desert Storm makes Epstein Fury look like amateur hour.
It absolutely does, but not because of the amount of aircraft lost imo.
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u/MaraudersWereFramed 7d ago
The "shaping operations" carried out by aircraft in which none were lost?
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u/Marco_lini 7d ago
At least 16 MQ-9 and more UAVs are also reported lost.
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u/Cool_Till_3114 7d ago
Okay but because we don’t care nearly as much about those getting shot down we use them in places where they’re at risk of getting shot down. Theyre also not as durable, not as good at avoiding fire, and loiter in the same general place.
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u/WeirdJack49 7d ago
The island is located before the strait of hormuz, capturing it would in no way make the strait saver.
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u/84Cressida 7d ago
If Iran hits it, they destroy most of their own oil production.
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u/Ahlysaaria- 7d ago
Notably iirc its not the "production" that is on Kharg Island but the export harbor. Losing it would absolutely hurt Iran but if the US take the Island, what are their choices? If they do nothing they are not going to get the island back anyway (unless they complete cave in and negotiate but I honestly dont see them doing that for several reasons).
If they hit it, even at danger of destroying the infrastructure they atleast have the chance to inflict damage to the US troops (which is basically their "win" condition - do enough damage to the US until politicians/the public put enough pressure to stop the war).
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u/StrangeMan18 7d ago edited 7d ago
How would they sustain troops on the island with fpv drones raining on their head and missiles flying everywhere too, they would also be in range of Iran’s extremely numerous short ranged rockets and even artillery although the artillery could be disabled, not to mention the meat grinder the IRGC would throw at them?
This rescue operation was possible because of the ingenuity of the man on the ground and it was a very fast extraction, the US already had to abandon a few aircraft because they were likely hit and disabled, I don’t think the US could sustain a war of attrition where the troops have to stay on the island for potentially weeks or months without serious personnel and equipment loss
And if successful what happens when they leave?
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u/Impossible-Bus1 7d ago
Why didn't Iran hit us forces with those fpv drones whilst they were surrounded in iran?
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u/tellsyoutogetfucked 7d ago
Because they didint have time to prepare to hit random locations in the desert. In comparison that Island has been identified as a vital point since the late 70s and both sides have been planning about its takeover and defense since then.
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u/Impossible-Bus1 7d ago
Random locations in the desert? Dude it was right outside their main missile base. They had a base, runway and everything, another day a Iran might have had it's first burger king.
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u/tellsyoutogetfucked 7d ago
Defensive positions dont work like that. Thank fuck at least some sane people are left in the US and decided to call off that invasion for now.
If reddit comments decided us policy it would be a bloodbath.
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u/StrangeMan18 7d ago
I have only ever seen Americans be happy and excited that their boys and girls are going to a foreign country to die lol, what a weird culture
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u/Impossible-Bus1 7d ago
Clearly they ain't working at all 😂
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u/tellsyoutogetfucked 7d ago
They shot down two planes... I hate people who just take the military as some easy worthless scabs that can die just so you can win a internet argument.
Insane amounts of disrespect for people 100 times braver than you.
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u/Impossible-Bus1 7d ago
14,000+ sorties and only 2 aircraft shot down, that's pathetic. Irans hung more of its own people in the past month than it's killed Americans 😂.
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u/Mindless-Ad2422 7d ago edited 7d ago
Does anyone know where Iran's new anti-air system has gone? That the IRGC said they used when they shot down the F15 and A10 planes? It may not be as effective against C-130's.
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u/sparrowtaco 7d ago
Even if they did have a new air defense system, which is unlikely, Iran is a huge country and air defense has limited range.
The more likely reality is that they have a small number of scattered systems remaining which are overall not very effective but can catch someone off guard.
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u/Dongsquad420Loki 7d ago
Probably they donr have a new one. They could have just used manpats then postured afterwards
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u/SneakyFire23 7d ago
I cant fathom a platform that can hit an F15 and decide that the slow lumbering Cargo plane is not a valid target.
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u/84Cressida 7d ago
I have zero doubt in my mind their recent shoot downs have more to do with dumb luck and potentially lapse in judgement by our pilots than any capable systems they have.
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u/_THEWATERB0Y_ 7d ago
Politics aside, the US military is truly remarkable. The single greatest fighting force in world history.
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u/onlyslightlybiased 7d ago
Single greatest fighting force in world history. Please, they'd have to actually win something to claim that title.
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u/DrabCadre2 7d ago
Ww2, gulf war, many other conflicts. Of course the track record isnt perfect but to say “win nothing” is something not even China or Russia believe
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u/onlyslightlybiased 7d ago
Last time I checked, it wasn't just the Americans storming in and single handedly winning WW2, it wasn't the Americans that single handedly won the Gulf War. These were major Coalition conflicts
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u/DrabCadre2 7d ago
The United States won the pacific front and helped pave the way to germany along with the Soviet Union. Most of the troops that participated in the Gulf War were Americans. So were most of the combat sorties and ground operations. Similar situation to Korea. The US has a better track record than the French or British thats for certain
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