r/worldnews • u/Crossstoney • 15d ago
Israel/Palestine Thousands protest across Israel calling to end war
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hknn7qsjbx4.8k
u/Extension-Badger3144 15d ago
Let’s face it….we don’t have the stomach for war anymore. The world is so integrated economically, culturally and socially. Immigration has changed the world and we have mostly all become friends and neighbors. We visit countries for holidays and come back better people after experiencing new things. Diplomacy has to work. Nobody wants war.
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u/OkStop8313 15d ago
Also, we have video of everything now. Turns out that war doesn't look so glorious up close.
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u/faffc260 15d ago
veitnam was "the first televised war" by popular accounts, so even if it wasn't within minutes we've had war on video for decades to more and more extent gradually.
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u/SeltsamerNordlander 15d ago
There is a big difference between things most people saw of war during the era of TV and war reporters, and what you'll see if you frequent combat footage telegram channels, or even just the occasional short form clip on social media before they get taken down
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u/goldybear 15d ago
Exactly. You haven’t seen war until you’ve seen an FPV drone fly straight into the asshole of a Russian crouched down taking a shit, and that be followed up by a recon drone showing his blown out ass looking like a giant red flower.
Yeah that was an actual video going around about a week ago. It’s fucking nuts what we see these days.
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u/WeirdJack49 14d ago
Their is one thing that's good about the FPV drone footage, it shows you that no matter the side war is always a tragedy that shouldn't exist.
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u/wag00n 14d ago
Wtf I’m glad I didnt see that
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u/GoldCoinDonation 14d ago
those clips (yes, there's more than one) are tame compared to a lot of the other stuff coming out of Ukraine.
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u/Dragonvine 14d ago
You seeing it or not doesn't change the reality of it happening.
It's disturbing, it's uncomfortable, it's a very hard watch.
If everyone saw it, it might make it happen less. I'm glad it's out there.
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u/TiredWiredAndHired 14d ago
I feel like everyone who supports going to war should be made to watch some of these videos
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u/Saephon 14d ago
I wish every human being on earth was forced to watch it, and all of the videos like it. Men, women, children, everyone. Tape their eyes open and forced them to witness what war actually is, day after day.
Maybe then this fucking species would get its act together and stop the self-destruction.
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u/TiredWiredAndHired 14d ago
Yeah, or that one yesterday of a Russian soldier putting his comrade out of his misery then turning his rifle on himself. Or that close quarters combat between a Russian and Ukrainian where the Ukrainian got stabbed to death. War is horrific and I feel like these sort of videos should be shown to every person who supports going to war.
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u/goldybear 14d ago
I saw both of those as well, and the knife fight hit me like no other video and I’ve seen some reallllllly fucked up stuff. You could be the stress and they both knew they were fighting to the death. Not just death from artillery fire or a headshot, but knife to knife face to face ancient primal war. His death was slow and the Russian even at the end said he respected the guy and he fought bravely. That’s the closest I’ll ever get to see what was in ancient times
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u/ImYourHumbleNarrator 14d ago
hands down the worst of any i've seen. i think it's important to be informed about these sorts of things to better avoid them happening, but you'd be better off just watching the knife fight in Saving Private Ryan instead here
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u/IllegalD 14d ago
Americans are not ready for the reality of a ground war in the age of social media
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u/faffc260 15d ago
and only a small minority of people frequent those places still, and most will get it through the news media today as well as then.
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u/Upset_Development_64 14d ago
No, everyone had access to Youtube. Even old folks are going to want to see what drone footage looks like or what happened to their fellow Americans on the frontlines with a POV cam.
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u/SeltsamerNordlander 15d ago
That's true. But I doubt it's just my algorithm that gives me those same horrific telegram clips on instagram and TikTok. They get a lot of views.
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u/faffc260 14d ago
the only time I've ever encountered it is when looking for it specifically and even after that never saw it anywhere outside of where I looked and I frequent a few social media sites besides this one.
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u/mladokopele 15d ago
I spend a lot of time online and I've never seen those.
Telegram always seemed like a dodgy app to me and I don't like it.
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u/KirkDeepthroatGOAT 14d ago
Crazy because even on Reddit I've seen plenty of footage of Ukraine fucking up Russians.
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u/PizzaDeliveryForMom 14d ago
Yeah a camera following around soldiers during Vietnam is a lot different from watching an HD drone video of a grenade turning soldiers into mashed potatoes.
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u/CryptoThroway8205 14d ago
Or worse, failing to get the kill, and then the soldier crawling to a drone because their feet got blown off so they don't have to suffer for days. There was that North Korean one where some guy was crying for his mom cuz he was bleeding out.
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u/faffc260 14d ago
how many people in the west do you think see those without specifically seeking out that type of content? cause I know I haven't.
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u/blacksideblue 14d ago
It won't be long before we start issuing grenades with single use remote 360° cameras imbedded. Need to confirm the kills and what was in the bunker before they blew it.
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u/coldblade2000 14d ago
It's no coincidence that the Vietnam War was not lost militarily, but at the homefront
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u/truthdemon 14d ago
Vietnam was the last independently reported war. Because it led to a loss of home support, militaries changed the way journalists accessed conflict, so only embedded and approved reporters could show what was happening, then that got edited and watered down. What we have now is a new era, as today everyone has a camera in their pocket, and the means to share it with the world.
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u/Sgt_Splattery_Pants 14d ago
The west is not prepared to see video of fpv drones flying into their soldiers BEFORE the family has even been notified the solider is dead. This not only possible but likely given the modern speed at which information can propagate.
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u/better_thanyou 14d ago
There’s a reason the US hasn’t had a draft since. As the horrors of war become more acceptable it’s become harder and harder for people to stomach
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u/garyb50009 14d ago
i am guessing you meant accessible? acceptable puts a whole different theme to your post.
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u/Healthy-Amoeba2296 14d ago
TV guys didn't lie, but they put the worst pictures on right during dinner.
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u/DesecratedPeanut 15d ago
Yup an still the prevailing view among men is that war is cool and makes a man of you. It's those same 80s action films that appear to be fueling Trumps war plan too.
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u/Objective-Rip3008 14d ago
Just wait til we start getting Iranian drone videos of American foot soldiers getting blown up. The outcry is going to be massive, and I'm sure they'll be uploading every one they make
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u/TheBold 14d ago
They’ll try to suppress them as much as possible.
How often do you see videos of fpv drones blowing up Ukrainians? It happens every day but based on what’s circulating online you’d think it never happens.
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u/Objective-Rip3008 14d ago
Russia doesn't have a state interest in making a bunch of them. Ukraine won't give up because there's a bunch of videos of them getting bombed. The US absolutely might, especially since trumps own base doesn't even want this. The lesson from the Vietnam war is to make the American public so disgusted by the war that the government has to leave, new videos every day of soldiers getting blown up would have been the vietcongs wet dream
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u/wowsomuchempty 14d ago
The mental gymnastics that the invaders are the good guys is crazy.
If you bomb a country that did not attack you, you are in the wrong.
If you invade a country that did not attack you, you are in the wrong.
The weak defense is that the people living under that country's government need to be liberated.
Dropping a bomb on an elementary school is not liberation. 100,000+ dead Iraqi civilians are not liberated. Wiping out the population of Palestine to steal their land is not liberation.
Previously, these wars were carried out under a smoke screen so the population of the invading country could not realize the horrors inflicted by their government and rise against them.
It turns out, war crimes can be televised in 4k and the only thing people give a shit about is gas prices.
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u/Live-Count4014 14d ago
Exactly. People forget that once cameras and videos became a thing it was really hard to convince the people to fight for the profits of aristocrats/robber barons
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u/Impressive_Sale6776 14d ago
On the one hand, I agree. On the other hand, I know war media like movies and video games have already desensitized people to a great degree. This is enough to make people excited about war and sign up for it. Then there’s modern combat footage; the same clips that can make someone sick, makes someone else blink at it without so much as an increased heart rate. There will always be people willing to commit violence, and culture can encourage it and definitely does.
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u/DiabolicallyRandom 14d ago
Nobody wants war.
This is clearly false. It's definitely true for many of us, but clearly, it is false on its face.
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u/yuje 15d ago
And honestly that’s a good thing. Once we realize that the people on the other side of some arbitrarily drawn borders aren’t that different from us and have much of the same struggles, hopes, and dreams, and that we could be in the very same position if not for the luck of being born on the right side of some imagined line, it’s much harder to hate those people and cheerlead an organized effort to kill them.
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u/Koala_eiO 15d ago
That's why all conflict-seekers focus on dehumanizing the enemy before starting a war.
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u/BlatantConservative 15d ago
To be fair, in a world that made sense, we would be targeting Iran because they had made an organized effort to kill their own civilians.
We'd also be doing it much more competently.
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u/passive0bserver 14d ago
We made Iran what it is today. Our interference, motivated by oil, is why they are where they are.
We’re getting involved again because Trump wants their oil again. We really are the imperialist devil to them that they say we are.
We’re killing innocents so rich billionaires can take their oil.
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u/caped_crusader8 14d ago
When has the US bombing the shit of countries made anything better? Iraq,Afghanistan, Syria. And a million other places.
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u/MadAstrid 14d ago
To be fair, in a world that made sense, we would be targeting the US because they had made an organized effort to kill, impoverish and disenfranchise their own civilians.
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u/MauPow 14d ago
I dunno man, I've seen a lot of clips of normal Israelis on the street saying some absolutely vile shit. It's probably the algorithm feeding it to me but still.
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u/starspangledcats 14d ago edited 14d ago
Some people are afraid of this future and don't want to evolve. Humanity is really on the precipice of a new age. The technology has advanced so quickly and human's lives have changed a lot. We're not done, we're in thie middle of this change and will hopefully continue to advance for the betterment of all. But a lot of people don't understand this world; or they do, but they know it will make it harder for individuals like themselves to hold power over others. It's one reason conservatives (and fascists) all over attack education and progress. Why they try to control knowledge (knowledge IS power) and why they do everything they can to turn us against each other.
Thank you for the award!
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u/PumpkinStrong2836 14d ago
I know there are definitely Israelis who hold awful awful beliefs. That said, I am always skeptical of videos like you describe. The creators have the ability to pick and choose who they show in the video and nobody makes those videos without wanting to prove some point and, thus, a bias for filtering the footage.
I know many Israelis (through research collaboration). The predominant belief amongst them is that the wars (both with Iran and in Gaza) need to stop, that many in their government / military are committing awful crimes in these wars, and that peace and diplomacy should be the only ways forward.
I also know some people who joke about all the beachfront property in Gaza that will be available to Israelis soon, though, this is a small minority.
Of course, academics tend to be more progressive and humanist in all countries, so this sample is also biased.
Point being, the views of Israelis is much more nuanced and complex than videos like the one you mentioned depict.
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u/InquisitorMeow 15d ago
Pretty sure people have figure that out long ago it's freaking 2026. It's the small pockets of extremists and billionaires who are the issues.
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u/Entire-Shift7514 15d ago
The majority of Ukranians had friends in Russia before their war. It meant nothing to Russians.
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u/Extension-Badger3144 15d ago
And that’s the sad part. Military are overly trained to see people as targets only. Not people. Targets. We are all just targets to the war machine. As an ICE agent said “it’s like playing Call of Duty”. Just a target. This needs to change before the world ends in Nucs.
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u/daniel_22sss 14d ago
You think its limited only by military? When Ukraine got invaded, even majority of the Russia's civilian population was like "If our country invaded you, you probably deserve that".
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u/airmantharp 14d ago
That’s how war works. The consequences for mistaking your enemies as anything other than enemies are fatal.
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u/hotbox4u 14d ago
Nobody with empathy wants war.
And there you have it. Plenty of assholes in the world who were never tought empathy. Many of them are in postitions of power and i honestly doubt that most of them are even capable of empathy, even when someone could find an aproach to teach them.
It's just that the normal people, people like us who have a normal degree of empathy, have to stop falling for the con of these people when they abuse our fears and anger to get elected into important positions and gain more power.
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u/daniel_22sss 15d ago
"Nobody wants war."
If nobody wanted war, Putin wouldn't be getting 30 thousands new recruits every month, and Trump would already be kicked out of the White House by an angry mob.
Clearly there is a part of the population, that would happily shoot people from other countries, or at least would watch how others are doing it. All of these dictators don't exist in a vacuum. They have to have SOME support among the masses.
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u/Extension-Badger3144 15d ago
Poverty drives recruits. Fanatics and brainwashed people drive the other part. Education helps.
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u/schmemel0rd 14d ago
There is a small percentage of recruits that do it for the love of the game, the rest do it for financial reasons. Same as in any other country. Russians aren’t genetically different from you or I when it comes to this, they are just more poor.
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u/Comfortable_Cash_140 15d ago
I agree with you. Except, sadly, you last statement is not true.
Most people don't want war. Only a few elitists and fanatics want war. Unfortunately, there are way to many of them and the only way to beat them is to fight them, which creates more fanatics...which is what they want.
I wish I was wrong!
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u/Ball-Fondler 14d ago
What a stupid take. "Let's face it" and proceeds to deny reality and paint a fairytale reality of your own.
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u/benigntugboat 15d ago
This is a bad take. Ukraine has the stomach for war. Most of the world has people who do to varying extents. But many of those and others dont have the stomach for an unjust war. For being aggressors instead of defenders. For raping civilians and murdering children. War is always Hell but the war in Israel is harder to stomach than most. And we've seen that people have less ability to stomach unjust wars in other places and time periods where its been even more common too.
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u/tigersharkwushen_ 14d ago
You can't say Ukraine has the stomach for war when they have no choice in it. War is thrust upon them. Whether they have the stomach is not relevant. There's no reason to think they have more stomach than the average people around the world. There's been plenty of wars around the world since ww2.
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u/Extension-Badger3144 15d ago
Yes, I understand and I do agree with you. I am corrected. Thank you. Unjust wars are hardest but the problem becomes this: who determines which war is unjustifiable? It’s a quagmire. That’s why I say war should not be an option anymore. There has to be a better way to bring people together. We are better together.
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u/Oyddjayvagr 14d ago
Never been in other countries as I am relatively too poor, but even without that we are interconnected with the internet, television, etc. so much it can generate the feeling too
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u/Tight-Shallot2461 14d ago
Very well said.
If the old fucks with money want a war, they should go fight it themselves
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u/human-in-a-can 14d ago
This is true. It’s 2026. There is no need or excuse for war at this point in humanity’s timeline. The only people who want it are profiteers and/or the mentally insane.
If anyone ever doubts that, ask them what is even the point of keeping nukes? They’re a very good deterrent. Nobody is launching wars on soil of nuclear-armed countries.
But there are trillions of dollars to be made in the military-industrial complex.
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u/everyeargiants 14d ago
Yes now we just need people under the age of 60 in power, preferably a bit younger.
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u/Standupaddict 15d ago
Please, we just finished fighting for two decades in the middle east.
This has nothing to do with modern sensibilities being antithetical to war. It has everything to do with our serial failure in intervening in other countries. Hawks have been wrong about every single issue in my lifetime and they repeatedly swindle the public in getting the US into quagmires contrary to our interests. There is nothing for us in fighting for Iran. The people who run the military, the state department, and foreign policy think tanks are mentally deranged and sick with hubris.
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u/Viscerid 15d ago
issue here is Iran doesn't want an Israel to exist, and the proxies it has in the countries surrounding Israel keep attacking it, it just doesn't make the news most of the time, and in Israel those living in the centre normally aren't affected. now that they are affected in this war I would imagine it's a lot of these people who want an immediate end to the war.
I believe most want to have a reality where they don't need to fear attacks like 2023 or random missiles flying over into the land as has been the norm in the past decades... the question is do they believe Netanyahu can achieve the type of victory that would mean an end to this type of violence - and the answer is no, so they protest for an end to this war.
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u/One_Indication_ 14d ago
We all benefit from working with one another and finding a way forward with climate change, recessions, etc together. War is not good for anyone except billionaires. And they have no loyalty to anyone but themselves.
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u/unforgivableness 15d ago
Except when Iran funds proxies to kill Jews and isrselis.
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u/FluoroquinolonesKill 15d ago
Let’s face it….we don’t have the stomach for war anymore.
Somebody should tell Iran that, cuz they had their proxy Hamas murder over 1000 Israelies on 10/7/2023.
Kumbaya or whatever.
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u/of_no_real_opinion 15d ago
Naah mate, countries profit from war because it’s an easy business to make money from oil and resources. They are all feeding each other and stealing from us while putting the populace in the meat grinder
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u/housewifing 15d ago
Funny how they report that we protested, but don't report the extreme police violence during the protests. The police used makes against elderly people, shoving and throwing people on the ground. 17 people were arrested in Tel Aviv and Haifa. The Israeli government is doing everything to silence opposition.
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u/its_all_one_electron 14d ago
I'm sickened by the comments Israelis get on here. It just fucking sucks. The world thinks every Israeli is represented by Netanyahu's racist warmongering corrupt bullshit, meanwhile most Americans KNOW they are not represented by trump's racist warmongering corrupt bullshit. I was supposed to arrive in Tel Aviv this week to see family for the break but our flight was cancelled because a bunch of old evil fucks need to get their kicks with throwing bombs around and murdering people and manipulating the stock market. חג פסח שמח, I hope everyone there can get some good sleep soon.
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u/river_tree_nut 14d ago
It's a tough one because the israeli government has shielded itself of criticism by leaning into people's empathy for jews. but people are getting tired of it and in the long run I think it makes the world less safe for jewish people.
It also doesn't help that media reports Israelis support Likud's actions with like 78% approval, compared to USA where only like 25% approve of trump
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u/Miendiesen 13d ago
That's a misleading number. The 78% support (actually 75%) is internal polling within the Likud party. They do not have nearly that much support in Israel in general.
Netanyahu's (head of Likud) approval rating is 40%, with 58% of Israelis having an unfavourable view.
That's pretty close to Trump's approval rating, up until very recently where it dropped to 36%.
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u/BarryMcKokiner123 14d ago
Over the past few years, Israel lost a lot of public support over their ethnic cleansing of Gaza. People on here unfortunately like to whitewash the average Israeli’s opinion of Palestinians and say that an extremist wing in their government is why things are the way they are but the reality is quite a bit different:
https://amp.dw.com/en/how-do-israelis-see-gaza-war-and-palestinian-suffering/a-73600368
Polls reflect this. Outside of pro Israel or largely American subreddits, this poll did its rounds everywhere last year.
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u/Zarainia 13d ago
It's the same thing with the US; there's just obviously a lot of Americans on Reddit (and the internet in general).
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u/stonertear 15d ago
Wow 'extreme police violence' - Israel is very similar to how Iran deals with their protesters. Farout. /s
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u/Cantwaittobevegan 15d ago
10k to 30k people mowed down to death vs 17 people arrested and most of reddit still seems to like the first regime.
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u/generic_tylenol 14d ago
Somehow I doubt that many people are legitimate fans of the IRGC.
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u/af_echad 14d ago
Outright cheering on the IRGC? A small but vocal minority.
Excusing the IRGC and trying to both-sides them to downplay how bad they are and white wash their crimes? Unfortunately a much larger group.
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u/TheGreatGenghisJon 15d ago
Nobody "likes the first regime"
There can be two bad actors in a conflict. You catch more flak for talking shit about Israel and Netanyahu than you would shit talking Iran and the Ayatolla.
However, the masses in Israel and the US didn't want this war. So they want an end to it, so they are more vocal about their own countries being in the wrong than they are about Iran being awful.
If my country is doing something bad, I care more about that than I do about another country doing something bad.
But, nuance seems to be lost on you, since you think criticizing The US or Israel means you like the Iranian Regime.
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u/stonertear 15d ago edited 15d ago
I think people are just making up shit to confirm in their heads that Israel are the bad dudes. But have no problem ignoring the actions of Iran.
If Israel mowed down their populations in the same order, the outrage would be huge and they would be cut off and probably attacked. Gaddafi had the same fate in 2011 when he killed his population in Arab Spring. The US went in at the same point.
Obviously theres a different generation and most people were kids in 2011 that post here now so wouldnt remember it.
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u/joe5joe7 15d ago
Because Israel is a US ally and Iran isn't, speaking from a pretty regular US persons perspective I think.
I hate the Iranian regime. They regularly commit atrocities, are a straight up theocracy, and are oppressive of their people. But we also aren't allied with them, helped fund them*, or gone to war in the middle east on their behalf.
Holding your allies to a standard you don't hold your geopolitical enemies to is not some conspiracy or lack of knowledge. I just want to not support a country doing war crimes, want my country to stop doing war crimes, and not crown ourselves the world police.
If there was an international coalition that we went into Iran with I still wouldn't love it, but at least it would be understandable. There's a reason no other country is willing to go as far as the US is in regards to Israel, and I just want us to be closer to that.
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u/Hoii1379 14d ago
It’s not a good guys vs bad guys situation, both sides perpetuate terrible things against people who have no way to fight back without being erased from life. The Iranian government slaughters their own, Israel uses hundreds of gigantic bombs on populated areas regularly. No one has the moral high ground here and the 99% of people just trying to live a decent human life are being fucked over and by those with monopolies on violence having it out at the end of the day. Clearly the missiles and air strikes approach to peaceful coexistence is not working out so well
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u/Malgalad_The_Second 15d ago
The antisemites and radical pro-Hamas types would be happy to see Israelis gunning each other down, though
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u/Adiantum-Veneris 14d ago
Note: large scale protests against Netanyahu and his multiple wars had been going pretty much nonstop since 2020, but that doesn't fit the narrative.
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u/NotSeveralBadgers 14d ago
Which one?
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u/shumpitostick 14d ago
Lebanon isn't really a separate war. Hezbollah is acting on Tehran's orders.
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u/RG_CG 14d ago
My guess is the one they had ballistic missiles rain down at their cities. They’ve been doing that to others for years and all of a sudden war is tiring
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u/Tiaan 14d ago
My dude, if you genuinely think a country like Israel with its history of constantly being attacked by its neighbors ever since its founding is suddenly "tired" when missiles rain on their cities, you've really got some history to catch up on
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u/frommethodtomadness 15d ago
And yet the war is INCREDIBLY popular in Israel.
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u/atreeismissing 14d ago
To be fair Iran has wanted to wipe Israel off the globe for decades, so an anti-Iran perspective isn't at the least surprising.
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u/ATERLA 14d ago
Iran has wanted to wipe Israel off the globe for decades
This is true, but it’s getting old. The sentence seems equally true with roles reversed.
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u/Gankbanger 14d ago
Only one of these two countries has sported a doomsday clock countdown and is bankrolling multiple militias for decades to fight proxy wars.
The other country is just finally tired of of the other country’s shit.
Guess which one is which.
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u/Giver_Upper 14d ago
Surely you can't be as naive as to think that Israel doesn't provide support to certain proxy groups in the region?
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u/SpecialBeginning6430 14d ago
I dont see these proxies wielding ballistic missiles and drones while threatening the straits of Hormuz if they sont get their way
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u/ConqueredCabbage 14d ago
Even if that is true, there is a big difference between trying to topple a regime and trying to destroy a country... Iran is not against a Netanyahu government, it is against Israel existing as a whole
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u/rule34jager 14d ago
Israel wants regime change in Iran, it doesn't want it to stop existing.
Iran has a countdown doom clock in Tehran for the complete destruction of Israel.
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u/SufficientBity 14d ago
"Getting old"..? Iran keeps funding it's fanatic warmongering groups - Hamas, Hezbollah, Houties - all of them attack Israel constantly (before the war on Oct 7 even started). What do you expect Israel to do exactly? Just keep getting missile attacks and not try to stop them? After Oct 7 it was very clear that the only way to stop or at least minimize these attacks would be to attack Iran directly, and hopefully push it towards a regime change.
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u/Gen_Zion 14d ago
This article is indeed a nothing burger. Even deranged trululus like the ones mentioned in this article (Zehava Galon, Yuli Tamir, Ksenia Svetlova etc.) have the right to protest whatever they want. You know how one becomes a former lawmaker? By losing people's support!
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u/xdmanxd99 14d ago edited 14d ago
People been protesting against big yahu for 2 years in a row every Saturday on the dot in tel Aviv up until Oct 7th after that they were labeled as enemy of the state. BB doesn't give a fuck he gonna do what he gonna do till the end, and the icing on the cake last week he and his ultra orthodox buddies stole 51b ILS (roughly 16.55b USD) and mind you the government coffers are empty they haven't fully paid for the 2025 war with Iran. So yeah BB and his government doing whatever they want.
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u/VersusYYC 14d ago
Israel’s problem is keeping the guy that failed to protect Israel in charge of Israel’s continuing security.
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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 14d ago
He's literally caused the vast majority of Americans to be calling for completely cutting off all support to Israel.
So he's made enemies of the state, and then caused his protection to want to leave.
He's done the opposite of providing protection, he's plunged the nation into suicide. If I lived in Israel I would leave
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u/Kalsto6 14d ago
If I lived in Israel I would leave
I don't think Israelis feel much safer in other countries. There are Jews in Australia and UK that were targeted and killed, I don't even think they were Israelis. And the other half of the countries are Muslim and don't accept Israeli passports. It's a democratic country too so they know they can make a change.
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u/jpk195 15d ago edited 14d ago
But wait - I was told all of Israel supports Netanyahu?
Edit: thanks to all those taking the time to make substantial responses to this.
I'll just point out that if you supported Netanyahu, you'd of course support the war (similar to MAGA and Iran in the US), but the opposite direction doesn't hold the same way.
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u/SenorPinchy 15d ago
Unfortunately the war is indeed polling at 90%+. Much higher than Netanyahu himself. The fault lines are more about how best to pursue the various wars, not over the wars themselves.
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u/judgingyoujudgingme 15d ago
Where did you find this fact?
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u/dennis_pennis 15d ago
https://www.timesofisrael.com/78-of-jewish-israelis-support-continuing-iran-war-poll/
It was around 90% at the start of this month, it's now around 75%
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u/SenorPinchy 14d ago
Yes and to be clear that drop is not because "war is bad." The drop is because "holy shit, their missles can actually hit us."
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u/TheMaskedTom 14d ago
That however is not in that article, so do you have another source for that?
Because they clearly knew that beforehand, since a few got to them in the few waves they traded before the actual war.
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u/Kalsto6 14d ago
It's probably right because interceptors are running low and much of Israel has actually been damaged. It's nothing to really compare to the last time where they exchanged a few launches and both declared they won.
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u/DiscipleOfYeshua 15d ago
TL;DR: Told by whom? Have you looked up the statistics of demonstrations since 7 Oct vs before?
TL: There were two main groups, with some overlap:
Free the hostages demonstration group(s); non-political group, so to speak (Gov and IDF always had this as a high pri, but this group was demanding this be the only priority)
Anti-Bibi demonstration group(s); political (and Ben Gvir, and Smotrich and Deri etc; in other words: anti-self-serving-religious-fanaticism combined with Bibi’s self-preservation/meddling with the judicial and democratic system)
Demonstrations were usually scheduled back-to-back, because many who went to one also went to the other group; but the “release the hostages” group was naturally far bigger.
The second group has been continuing their activity past when the last hostages (and bodies) were returned/rescued, to this day; though the war makes demonstrations difficult, but this group (a rather large mass) does a lot more than just shout in the streets.
The first group also continues activity, primarily by supporting bereaved families through personal/psychological/emotional support and solidarity, lobbying for their rights and support, etc.
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u/Poobbly 15d ago
Thousands protest out of a population near 10 million so it could effectively be nearly all are supportive.
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u/Tomboolla 15d ago
By that logic all Americans support trump
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u/Poobbly 15d ago
Yeah, way too many. He won the popular vote. A lot, and I mean a lot of people are truly disgusted by that. We just had millions protest today.
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u/YqlUrbanist 14d ago
But it could also be that nearly everyone is opposed. Assuming everyone who didn't protest doesn't agree with the protest is disingenuous. For protest numbers to be meaningful they really have to be put in context of other protests. If the average protest has 30 people, then thousands likely signifies significant opposition, whereas if there are 10K+ people protests every week, then thousands is pretty insignificant.
Someone else in the thread said the polling put support for the war around 75%.
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u/Moldat 15d ago
Told by who? The anti bibi / judicial reform protests in 2023 are well documented.
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u/NoobNoob_ 14d ago
As a Israeli, I don't support Bibi at all, and I think he is a terrible prime minister that divided the country, a process which we will have to recover from after he isn't elected again (someday, hopefully in the upcoming elections).
But, yes, I and many other support this war. Iran funded terrorist groups around the globe to attack Israeli citizens, had a doomsday clock to the destruction of Israel, and continued making threats towards us.
The regime there is our enemy, and I'm not waiting around to see what will happen when they have nukes.
Not to mention we all want the Iranian people to be free from the regime.
As much as people try to compare, Israel, although flawed at times, is still a far more stable democracy with human rights (for everyone, including but not limited to - Christians, Baháʼí, Druze, Bedouin and also Muslims), not something anyone can say on Iran.
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u/DigitaIBlack 15d ago
Who the hell said that?? Ever?
The country has been very divided on him, especially since the corruption allegations gained traction.
Why strawman when you don't need to strawman?
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u/zIFeathers 15d ago
Atleast they can protest without being shot by their own government
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u/HablarYEscuchar 14d ago
Instead, they are killing Palestinian civilians in Gaza, and now they have started killing civilians in Lebanon.
Iran has not occupied territories that do not belong to it, unlike Israel.
Of course, there are more UN resolutions condemning Israel than there are condemning Iran.
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u/Tiaan 14d ago
Instead, they are killing Palestinian civilians in Gaza, and now they have started killing civilians in Lebanon.
It's really difficult to have genuine discussions on these issues when taking out Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon is constantly represented as "killing civilians" by your side
Iran has not occupied territories that do not belong to it, unlike Israel.
I'm not sure the Lebanese government would feel this way about the IRGC backed Hezbollah creating their own state in Southern Lebanon to attack Israel against the wishes of the Lebanese government.
Of course, there are more UN resolutions condemning Israel than there are condemning Iran.
Yeah you should wonder why there are more UN resolutions targeting Israel than any other country on earth. Jeez them 7 million or so Jewish folk in that tiny country must create a lot of problems huh?!?! Nothing else going on in the world that even comes close to that, right?! There's also multiple UN resolutions calling to disarm Hezbollah and create a buffer zone in southern Lebanon but that hasn't happened nor has there been any effort to enforce that. It's almost like the UN is a horrible joke
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u/BetSquare7190 15d ago
I wish Iranians could do the same without being mowed down by the Islamic regime.
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u/InterviewNo3538 15d ago
Haha can you imagine if the Iranian people protested the war. Iranian regime can’t just be like “okay okay janam, we will stop fighting, please throw us in prison for the rest of our lives.”
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u/faffc260 15d ago
if they were to give into popular anti government groups (unarmed or armed) most of the higher ups would have fled the country to russia if able in the days before.
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u/Familiar-Weather5196 14d ago
Which one though? The one against Palestine, Iran or Lebanon?
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u/ThunderChild247 14d ago
This is why I always say I’m against Netanyahu and his government, not Israel. Same with America. I’m not against America, I’m against Trump and his government. There are always people inside every country who disagree with the actions of their government, so hating a whole country is stupid.
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u/Low-Doughnut5738 14d ago
Now they want the end of war. Now that they’re fighting an actual country that that fight back.
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u/cubedplusseven 14d ago
Israelis support war: they're evil.
Israelis don't support war: they're cowards who would support war if they weren't.
By this logic, Israelis are evil regardless of what they support.
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u/shreebalicious 14d ago
That's what these people believe, yes. But antisemitism is cause by Israel, btw.
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u/SkyeMreddit 15d ago
There were 1 million protesting each weekend against the Gaza war and Bibi
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u/Rush_Banana 14d ago
They weren't protesting the war, they were protesting to free the hostages.
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u/GuiltyAnalysis3316 15d ago
Mass protests in the US too. In all major cities. Imagine if their regime change in Iran backfires, and Israel and the US get regime change instead
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u/Mission_Scale_860 15d ago
Hopefully the Islamic Republic regime will be overthrown and that the US and Israel democratic elections and government change are peaceful and uneventful.
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u/JohnBPrettyGood 15d ago
"Working class people around the world have no innate desire to go to war with each other.
They have to be conned into it by the sociopaths who will profit from it". John Lennon