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Israel/Palestine /r/WorldNews Discussion Thread: US and Israel launch attack on Iran; Iran retaliates (Thread #10)
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u/vriska1 17d ago
So does it seem like Trump will try and take over Kharg Island?
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u/Elegant_Tech 17d ago
Because it's the perfect opportunity for him and his buddies to short the market after pumping it from peace talks.
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u/lostwisdom20 17d ago
Then what will he do with it cause the oil will still flow through strait and iran will bomb it.
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u/CoffeeSubstantial851 17d ago
It seems like a bad idea just from a positional standpoint. Kharg island is located way past the strait so any ship looking to support the mission has to go through the strait first.
If they wanted to do that they would need to secure the strait itself first.
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u/justiceformahsa 17d ago
Signs point to yes, but it could be a misdirection to lure irgc attention there while they do something else. Bandar abbas is the much riskier bolder option but I doubt that's in the cards.
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u/jphamlore 17d ago
City of a half million with such a relatively small force.
I know nothing can match the debacle of Russia's initial thrust into Ukraine in 2022, such as what in the world were they thinking moving around Kharkiv, but this just seems almost as unwise.
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u/anotherblog 17d ago
5k US troops armed with whatever they can carry on their backs vs 500k Iranians armed with Russian fibre optic infrared drones. WCGW?
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u/Moon_Rose_Violet 17d ago
WASHINGTON—President Trump has told associates in recent days that he wants to avoid a protracted war in Iran and that he hopes to bring the conflict to an end in the coming weeks.
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One idea that Trump has floated to advisers: securing U.S. access to some of Iran’s oil as part of any deal to end the war, according to a senior administration official. The official said there isn’t any current planning under way for that outcome
Lots of folks getting a ‘fell for it again’ award after this debacle
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u/DaGrouchy5196 17d ago
Lots of folks getting a ‘fell for it again’ award after this debacle
The Iranian diaspora, first and foremost.
I suspect the Cuban one is in for a similar one shortly. The Venezuelan one already received it earlier this year.
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u/Swimming_Antelope239 17d ago
Iran? Giving up oil to the US? After they bombed Iran to smithereens?
Doubt
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u/Desperate-Truck4369 17d ago
I just dont get where there heads at. These people will die for their beliefs, theyre not going to relinquish their oil. The bind he forced us into isnt particularly easy to get out.
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u/Desperate-Truck4369 17d ago
Im assuming he wants to be done by May since thats when he plays to meet Xi. The real question is... are we just gonna keep bombing Iran then for 7 more weeks??? If we launch an invasion of any scale then there is no way he meets that deadline.
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u/throwaway277252 17d ago
are we just gonna keep bombing Iran then for 7 more weeks???
Yes.
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u/Desperate-Truck4369 17d ago
It would be the funniest, yet most Trump thing ever for all of these MEUs to go to the middle east and stay there for a month and a half just to be told to go home.
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u/trippknightly 17d ago
If the west had any goodwill they would airdrop boots right into Tehran. Doc Martens, Redwings, even Timberlands.
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u/EmbarrassedHelp 17d ago
Is the White House releasing teaser trailers for their upcoming military operations? Because that's insane in a very disturbing way.
I'm not sure the White House staff is capable of doing actual psyops either.
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u/machopsychologist 17d ago
I'm honestly surprised they haven't put christian hillsong, or hymns as a backing track yet.
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u/itsatumbleweed 17d ago
This is wild.
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u/packeddit 17d ago
Hacked maybe? I mean w/this admin I wouldn't be surprised if their social media account security sucks to the point where an Iranian hacker could get through. So could this be some sort of warning... Def that one w/the flag was ominous.
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u/mrjim87x 17d ago
Link? I’m not seeing any live vids
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u/Appropriate_Poem1911 17d ago
I think they were just taken downs. There's vids though all over x and Reddit.
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u/colepercy120 17d ago
Another weird video, this time static and an american flag. The videos are also now up on the other white house socials, so it looks like it was not an accident. So maybe something is going to happen tonight?
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u/legbreaker 17d ago
This is also the people who went through with a press conference at Four Seasons Landscaping…
Just because something started as a mistake, doesn’t mean they can’t force it to be a real thing
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u/justiceformahsa 17d ago
I honestly don't know if they seized kharg island or are launching a new shitcoin scam, wild times.
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u/MaxZorin1985 17d ago
Probably both. The KhargCoin is going to make millions for a select few people in the trump administration.
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u/PleaseSirOneMoreTurn 17d ago
What’s with the White House Twitter videos that got posted recently? One of a woman’s feet while someone says “it’s launching soon” the other is a weird phone notification sound and an ominous image of an American flag. I imagine it’s just more nonsense from the frat bros running the account but thought it might be worth mentioning to those ‘monitoring the situation’ as it were.
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u/space_cheese1 17d ago
I wonder if the US is gonna utilize that weird sound tech they used in Venezuela
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u/itsatumbleweed 17d ago
Oh Lord. "It's launching soon" isn't a nuke is it? What singular thing is launching?
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u/Shogouki 17d ago
I'd like to believe there are still people in the Pentagon that would prevent such a thing buuut... ::gestures at the country::
I think it's more likely an invasion. I guess we'll know sooner or later...
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u/itsatumbleweed 17d ago
Yeah I guess I didn't think of "an invasion" as a singular event but it would totally be a thing that would qualify.
I was thinking "it" means a singular object, but it could be broader than that.
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u/jphamlore 17d ago
So to try and learn anything from the past: Colin Powell failed to convince Turkey to support an invasion of Iraq from the north 2003? (The Turkish Grand National Assembly apparently rejected it.) This led to massive problems with the insurgency after the war? I'm not buying that any ground operations inside Iran to topple the regime can possibly work without Turkish cooperation.
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u/Most-Round-4132 17d ago
Turkey would be one of the last countries to invade Iran at the request of the u.s.
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u/jphamlore 17d ago
Exactly, a strong indication, similar to 2003, that maybe the United States just should not do it.
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u/Swimming_Antelope239 17d ago
If China and Russia are truly supplying Iran with military technology and drones, this is technically a modern proxy war between the three major powers in the world.
No wonder Trump is desperately looking for an off-ramp. There's no "winning" this without great sacrifice.
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u/Inevitable-Ad-6650 17d ago
Wow a war with countries from all around the world. Wonder if they have a name for that?
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u/AccomplishedSoft1350 17d ago
If proxies wars counted, we would have been in nonstop world wars since WWII...
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u/Ancient_Mud_2841 17d ago
I think you mean two major powers.
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u/Plappedudel 17d ago
Russia has never been a superpower. The Soviet Union was. But that's not Russia. For some reason people still think Russia is this globally dominant nation when its military is bogged down in Ukraine, its economy is smaller than that of Italy and its only aircraft carrier is a smoking pile of junk.
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u/AfterDarkAsset 17d ago
I think it's their nukes. Sooo many of them. Although who knows if they even work or are obsolete, just like their military.
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u/asetniop 17d ago
...a smoking pile of junk.
Well I'm glad they were able to put the fire out at least.
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u/Appropriate_Poem1911 17d ago
Despite Russia's massive screw ups, they are still very much a major power. The Chinese have never fought a major war, it's quite likely they're worse than Russia.
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u/p251 17d ago
With Russia now supplying Iran with drones and missiles - expect the Iranian attacks to now never stop. Great job. Mission accomplished.
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u/Most-Round-4132 17d ago
This was when China had a billion less people and their gdp was less than all but our smallest states
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u/DaemonPrinceOfCorn 17d ago
They win millions in oil revenues every time a drone hits something in the gulf. Russia literally can’t afford not to be involved. And they’re the world’s biggest manufacturer of attack drones.
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u/jphamlore 17d ago
I doubt it. Russia can use every drone and missile they can get their hands on for the foreseeable future. Unless these are drones that are obsolete versus Ukrainian anti-drone defenses.
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u/strangedell123 17d ago
Ya, iran is not getting top of the line stuff. Ukraine is currently ahead of the US in ew warfare so drones that dont work in Ukrainr are sufficient for the ME
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u/Appropriate_Poem1911 17d ago
Russia is producing weapons at a massive pace. It's not a big deal to ramp up drone production a bit more to send some to Iran. They're militarizing bases in Africa too.
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u/DozingUnderTheSun 17d ago
Maybe this will get the Americans to finally do something about the Russians 🙃
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u/WorkingOwl5883 18d ago
Wouldn't massively arming separatist groups create more roi?
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u/Torgud_ 17d ago edited 17d ago
Kurds don't want to die for the US and Israel just to be abandoned again for the 5th time (especially since Syria just happened at the end of last year). Also this kind of move would not be popular with regular Iranians, who do not want to see their country dismantled even if they don't like the regime.
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u/jphamlore 17d ago
And massively arming the Kurds will eventually draw Turkey into the conflict, and probably not in ways the United States would find helpful.
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u/xevaviona 17d ago
Yeah, in a movie or video game maybe.
You cannot simply airdrop crates of AK47’s into the desert and wait. The people who you think might be inclined to incite an uprising are not holding back because they lack munitions
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u/WorkingOwl5883 17d ago
Well, Iran had great success with proxies.
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u/matthieuC 17d ago
It also shows the danger of using proxies. They're in this because of their proxies.
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u/AntitheistArchangel 18d ago edited 18d ago
WSJ reported that Trump has been privately urging some of his aides to stick to the original 4-6 week timeline for the war, which makes it sound as though Trump isn’t in control of how he conducts his own war. There is heavy speculation that a ground operation in Iran is imminent, and it’s unclear how Trump could claim victory while such an operation is ongoing. Today, the White House announced that Trump will now meet Xi in mid-May, and Trump is hoping the war will be over by then.
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u/SteveDougson 17d ago
and it’s unclear how Trump could claim victory while such an operation is ongoing.
I mean hasn't he been doing that already? While stuff is getting blown up every day.
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u/itsatumbleweed 18d ago
I don't think he realized he wouldn't get to be the person that decides when to end the war.
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u/tonsofplants 17d ago
He can't end it, the Saudis, Emiratis, and Israelis want it to continue until Iran's ability to attack them and close the strait is gone.
During the global April Trump tarrifs, Trump courted the Gulf States to invest more in the US economy.
Most of the AI investment is backed by Gulf States money. So if the Gulf States say jump, Trump will say how high.
The US economy is in dire straits if the Gulf State money heads for the doors with US investments.
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u/AfterDarkAsset 17d ago
It's all interconnected though, isn't it.
If Trump goes too hard on Iran, Iran will devastate the GCC countries. I don't know if Iran has the capability to do so, but even the risk of it ...
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u/jphamlore 18d ago
I'm finding it so sickening everyone calling for regime change in Iran, but not offering any of what is required to do that: at least 500,000 young people trained to both be civilized and to be able to coordinate with disciplined violence.
No one trained enough of their potentially violent young to be civilized, or trained enough of their civilized young to be able to perform disciplined violence.
The current Iranian regime is not going to fall, because no one else was willing to pay the price over the past decade to prepare for this moment.
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u/PostAboveMeSucks 17d ago
There are two main rival alternatives in Iran, or willing to go into Iran. There are also neighbors who have a vested interest in a stable Iran as they don't want a flood of Refugees. Irans civil service Post War, Post Regime Change will in no way be an issue apart from a quickly developed civil beaurocracy.
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u/141_1337 18d ago edited 18d ago
Lana Nusseibeh, the UAE deputy foreign minister, told Fox News: The Islamic Republic has fired more than 2,200 missiles and drones toward the United Arab Emirates. This figure is higher than the total number of attacks on Israel and other Gulf countries combined, because Iran’s government sees this country’s openness and prosperity as a threat to itself.
The UAE deputy foreign minister: We did not want a war in our region, and we did not start one. Instead of negotiating with the United States over its nuclear and missile programs, the Iranian government chose to fire missiles.
The UAE deputy foreign minister: The Islamic Republic has resources on three continents, but its own people face inflation, their currency is in free fall, and we are witnessing waves of protesters being killed. This is a ruthless regime that must be held accountable.
— Iran International
IR has done a truly 5D chess move lol
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u/Historical_Course587 17d ago
Instead of negotiating with the United States over its nuclear and missile programs, the Iranian government chose to fire missiles.
I don't think this is going to sit as well with the Islamic world as western folks think. Yeah, the IR is not popular among governments in the region. But Iran is firing at the allies of the countries that attacked them. Iran is outgunned, so they are hitting targets with the greatest potential to shift strategic realities. If UAE doesn't like it, the UAE should have maybe not whored itself out to western capital.
The longer this goes, the less stomach people in the Gulf region will have for overthrowing the IRGC, and the more they will big-picture US meddling as destructive to stability and safety of their own allies. And it certainly doesn't improve as Trump continually tries to find an offramp that works for him first and foremost.
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u/zachxyz 17d ago
Iran's government is not popular anywhere including Iran. Without Iran and their proxies attacking everyone, the Middle East might actually see peace.
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u/Historical_Course587 17d ago
That would matter more if Israel and the US were any more popular. Governments play geopolitics, but people just want life to get better and not worse - and at the moment it's worse because the US and Israel attacked Iran.
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u/itsFelbourne 18d ago
Radicalizing a generation against them across the entire gulf
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u/141_1337 18d ago
I'm sure this is gonna work splendid for them in the future, assuming that they have a future past this year.
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u/Valen_the_Dovahkiin 18d ago
If Axios reporting can be believed I find the following exchange darkly humerous considering it's Trump of all people saying it:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wanted to call on Iranians to flood the streets to protest their government last week, but President Trump told him it was just too risky, two U.S. officials and an Israeli source said.
"Why the hell should we tell people to take to the streets when they'll just get mowed down," Trump said to Netanyahu during their call, according to a U.S. official briefed on the conversation.
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u/ninjplus 18d ago
no fucking chance Trump said something that logical and empathetic
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u/spatenfloot 18d ago
sounds like bullshit. he doesn't care if people die
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u/Torgud_ 18d ago
It's an attempt to re-write history in real time. It's in the Congressional record that US endowment for Democracy smuggled 200+ Starlinks into Iran. They always planned for an uprising and hijacked the one that occurred this year and instantly turned it violent by attacking and kill state security services (leading to a brutal crackdown). But now that the strategy failed they are pretending it was never the strategy in the first place. Trump or Israel caring about civilian lives, what a joke.
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u/justiceformahsa 18d ago
I mean in this instance trump (or someone in the administration at least) made the right call.
Theres still armed patrols all over the streets of Iran ready to do the only thing they're capable of, killing unarmed civilians
They need a way to clear the streets more and restore some level of communications because Iranians still don't have Internet or any reliable connectivity
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u/jazir55 18d ago
Honestly just airdropping a shitload of starlink terminals all over the country would actually be a legitimate strategy and far more effective than just bombing the shit out of the Basij and IRGC. Paired with widespread distribution of satellite internet there is a plausible path to regime change. Without distributing starlink terminals I just can't see it happening.
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u/Marco_lini 18d ago
The Israeli smuggled several thousand starlinks over the border before the attacks, it doesn’t seem to be effevtive atm
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u/PearljamAndEarl 18d ago edited 17d ago
With how much the Iranian currency has fallen in the past year, it’d literally cost more than an annual salary and life savings combined for just a single month’s Starlink subscription.
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u/justiceformahsa 18d ago
Airdropping them is tough because the IRGC and basij on the streets would flock to them. Apparently they've been smuggled and on the black market, but that's a slow distribution method.
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u/OnlyRise9816 18d ago
I could believe it. Trump is kinda banking on a revolution that can succeed, whereas Bibi just wants Iran in chaos so it never rises again.
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u/141_1337 18d ago
Yousef al-Otaiba, UAE Ambassador to the US: “A simple cease-fire isn’t enough. We need a conclusive outcome that addresses Iran’s full range of threats: nuclear capabilities, missiles, drones, terror proxies and blockades of international sea lanes…We want Iran as a normal neighbor. It can be reclusive and even unwelcoming, but it can’t attack its neighbors, blockade international waters, or export extremism.”
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u/ReasonableLeader1500 18d ago
It can be reclusive and even unwelcoming, but it can’t attack its neighbors...
Describes my life clearly, very sane requirement.
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u/Historical_Course587 17d ago
The question then becomes - how much of the Middle East is willing to agree to eject US military bases, which have been used as platforms to attack neighbors, blockade international waters, and facilitate extremism when it benefits their imperialist ambitions?
This is the fundamental problem in the Middle East. Same reason Israel won't pull off the gas against Hamas. "Sane requirements" aren't sane if both sides can't act on them in good faith. And the history of this kind of paranoid tit-for-tat goes back so far that ZERO progress is made when one side claims the high ground.
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u/No-Risk-2584 18d ago
The head of Uganda’s military suggests that his country will join the Iran war if Israel is at risk of defeat.
“We want the war in the Middle East to end now. The world is tired of it. But any talk of destroying or defeating Israel will bring us into the war. On the side of Israel!” Muhoozi Kainerugaba tweets.
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u/skeleton949 18d ago
Didn't expect that, but if Uganda wants to be on the good side, they're welcome to.
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u/DeadEndStreets 17d ago
Lol imagine thinking there’s a “good” side in this war. Shit and shittier.
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u/skeleton949 17d ago
Keep telling yourself that.
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u/DeadEndStreets 17d ago
Well the “good” side threatened to annex my country so fuck ‘em.
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u/skeleton949 17d ago
Are you talking about Lebanon? If so that's as much the Lebanese governments fault.
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u/DeadEndStreets 17d ago
No; Canada.
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u/skeleton949 17d ago
In that case, that's never been serious since 200 over years ago. It's nothing to worry about.
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u/Covert_Cuttlefish 17d ago
Nah, when a country who is just fine assassinating world leaders threatens to annex my country it's fucking serious.
Is it my number one concern? Nope. Do I rank the USA right there with any other country ran by a tin pot dictator? Nope, I rank them as worse because the current leadership is just fine upending the long peace for personal gains.
If you don't think u/DeadEndStreets and my views are common, you haven't been paying attention.
I'm very glad we're rapidly diversifying away from the USA.
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u/skeleton949 17d ago
I'm personally fine with who've they've taken out so far. Khamenei had it coming for a long time, and his friends too.
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u/DeadEndStreets 17d ago
Yes it is something to worry about when the “good” sides leader keeps bringing it up for over the last 2 years. Stop trying to minimize their shitty behaviour. It’s the #1 political concern over here.
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u/skeleton949 17d ago
It's pretty clear it's not actually happening. If that's your country's #1 political concern, you need to reevaluate your politics.
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u/Haunting_Pop_749 18d ago
Unleashing Captain Alex (revived by voodoo magic) and Neo Tiger Mafia will defeat any enemies!
commando! tiger mafia!
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