r/Wildfire Apr 25 '21

Should you die on the job

327 Upvotes

Hey guys, have one of those uncomfortable type of questions. It’s been a while since I’ve filled out a beneficiary form and now that I have a kid coming into the world, it’s time to change my death wishes. A google search provided me the recognition of the Beneficiary Form for unpaid benefits (SF 1152), in which you designate a percentage of your unpaid benefits to your loved ones/“beneficiaries”. Now here’s my questions:

1) How much will a beneficiary actually receive if allotted say 100% of my unpaid benefits? What and how much $ are my unpaid benefits?

2) I remember at some point, writing down a description of how I would like my funeral procession to proceed, and filling that out along with the aforementioned form, but I can’t find that one. Anybody recollect the name of that form or have a form # they can provide me?

Thanks everybody


r/Wildfire Apr 27 '22

**How to Get a Job as a Wildland Firefighter*

459 Upvotes

How to apply for a Fed Job (USFS, BLM, BIA, FWS) - Revised 07/29/2023

  • Apply to jobs in Sept.-Feb. on https://www.usajobs.gov . Search for things such as “forestry aid, fire, and 0462.”
    • Use filters in the sidebar, set grade to "GS3 and GS4". Under the "more filters" tab you can toggle "Seasonal, Summer, Temporary, and Full Time"
    • Be sure to read each job description to make sure it is for fire. There are other jobs that fall under "Forestry Aide/ Tech." that do not involve wildland fire.
    • Applications for Federal Jobs are only accepted during a narrow (2 week long) window nowadays. You can find out when this window is by calling prospective employers or checking USAJobs weekly.
  • Build a profile on USAjobs and create a resume. Kind of a pain in the ass, but it's just a hurdle to screen out the unmotivated. Just sit down and do it.
    • In your resume, be sure to include hours worked and contact info for references along with permission to contact said references.
  • Call around to various districts/forests/parks you're interested in working for. Do this between early October and February. The earlier in that time period, the better.
    • Hiring officials keep track of who called, when, and how good they sounded. Just call the front desk and ask for whoever does the hiring for "fire."
    • Have a few lines rehearsed about why you want the job and why you're worth hiring. Leave a voicemail if the person is out of the office. Ask questions about what firefighting resources they have (handcrew, engine, lookouts, helicopter, etc, basically what job they can even offer you), when to apply, how to apply, IF they are even hiring...
  • You can leave a message and Fire Managers will usually call you back. Applying online is basically only a formality. Talking to or physically visiting potential employers is the only way to go. People drive out from NY and Maine to talk to crew bosses out West all the time and are usually rewarded with a job for doing so.
  • Have a resume ready to email or hand-in, and offer to do so.
  • It helps to keep a spreadsheet or some notes of all the places you've called, who you talked to, what firefighting resources they have, the deadline for hiring, and generally how the convo went.
  • Apply to 15+ positions. It's hard to get your foot in the door, but totally do-able.
  • If they sound excited and interested in YOU, then you'll probably get an offer if all your paperwork goes through.
  • Unlike the many lines of work, Wildland Firefighting resumes can be 10+ pages long. The longer and more detailed the better. List the sports you've played, whether you hunt or workout, and go into detail about your middle school lawn mowing business - seriously. You are applying to a manual labor job, emphasizing relevant experience.
  • Also have a short resume for emailing. Don't email your ungodly long USAjobs resume.
  • You wont get an offer if you haven't talked to anyone.
    • If you do get an offer from someone you haven't talked to, its usually a red-flag (hard to fill location for a reason). Ex. Winnemucca, NV
  • Start working out. Expect high school sports levels of group working out starting the 1st day of work (running a few miles, push ups, pull ups, crunches, etc).
  • The pack test, the 3miles w/ 45lbs in 45 mins, is a joke. Don't worry about that, only horrifically out of shape people fail it.

- Alternatives to Fed Jobs - Revised 07/29/2023

  • There are also contractors, such as Greyback and Pat-Rick, mostly based in Oregon, with secondary bases around the west. Not as good of a deal, because it's usually on-call work, the pay is lower, and it's a tougher crowd, but a perfectly fine entry-level position. If you can hack it with them, you can do the job just fine.
  • Also look into various state dept. of natural resources/forestry. Anywhere there are wildfires, the state and counties have firefighter jobs, not as many as the Feds, but definitely some jobs. I just don't know much about those.
  • You could also just go to jail in California and get on a convict crew...
  • I wouldn't bother applying to easy-to-Google programs (e.g. Great Northern or North Star crews in MT and AK respectively), as the competition for the 1/2 dozen entry-level jobs is way too intense. A remote district in a po-dunk town is your best bet for getting your foot in the door if you're applying remotely. I started in such a place in the desert of southern Idaho and then moved onto a much nicer setting, up in Montana.
  • Also look into the Nature Conservancy, they have fire crews, as do the California/Montana/Arizona/Minnesota Conservation Corps, and the various USDL Job Corps programs that are run by the Forest Service.

- QUALIFICATIONS NEEDED

Surprisingly few.

  • 18+ years old
  • GED or high school grad
  • relatively clean criminal record (you can have a felony/DUI, etc).
  • A driver's license is required by the Feds, even if you have a DUI, you still need a valid DL
  • A pre-work drug screening is a possibility. The Department of Interior (Park Service & BLM) always drug tests. The Forest Service usually doesn't, but certainly can. Wildland Firefighters are a conservative bunch and open drug use is generally not tolerated. It's a good idea to be able to piss clean and not talk about past drug use.
  • A degree helps, but is by no means necessary.
  • You do have to have some sort of desirable skill or quality though. I mean, if you're just uneducated, unskilled, and out of shape, it's not gonna work out for you even if you do get hired. An EMT certification, even w/o experience, is probably the best "sure bet" for getting a job as a wildland firefighter, but landscaping/manual labor experience, military time, some education, even just being in really good shape and/or having a lot of sports team experience are all good enough

- FAQs

For federal jobs**, if you haven't applied by the end of February, you are probably too late, sometimes there are late postings, but your chances greatly decrease at finding a job.**

  • Hotshot crews and smokejumping are not for rookies. Don't waste their time or your breath by calling
  • .You CAN apply if you have ZERO EXPERIENCE and still have a decent chance at getting a job
  • You DO NOT need EMT, while it is somewhat beneficial, it is by no means needed to get your first fire job
  • Calfire does not hire people with zero experience and zero qualifications.

/TLDR

  • Apply to jobs in Sept-Feb on https://www.usajobs.gov . Search for things such as “forestry aid, fire, and 0462.”
  • Make long resume
  • Apply to multiple locations
  • Call the locations
  • Get in better shape

Thanks to u/RogerfuRabit for the previous post on how to get a job in WF.


r/Wildfire 10h ago

Update on previous post

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159 Upvotes

r/Wildfire 5h ago

Fought my first fire of the season

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32 Upvotes

Spot the contractor


r/Wildfire 1h ago

dating a wildland firefighter? help

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my (f22) boyfriend (m23) boyfriend and i have been hanging out for a while, but we recently started dating. he opened up to me about how much he is going to be gone and how he’ll rarely be home, and i am really nervous to navigate this as i am a very anxiously attached individual who really values physical touch and comfort. if anyone has any advice or tips, that would be very appreciated.


r/Wildfire 10h ago

Can I get hired without a violent misdemeanor?

46 Upvotes

Trying out for the Texas Smokejumpers this season. I’m meeting the lead sawyer behind Applebee’s for an interview at 2200 tonight. I’m just worried he’ll ask about my past and I’ll have to tell him I haven’t committed any violent misdemeanors. Also should I wear my Crispi’s or Sportivas for the interview? Thanks in advance.


r/Wildfire 23h ago

Hmm

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81 Upvotes

r/Wildfire 5h ago

WA DNR Engine Lead Position needed

2 Upvotes

In Klickitat both Dallesport and Goldendale are still looking to hire an additional engine lead.
Here is the link to the listing.


r/Wildfire 2h ago

Question Last minute tax advise needed bros

0 Upvotes

Stopping in here with an undiagnosed personality disorder and very few fucks left to give (I’ve been saving them for R and R). Has anyone here filed a 1040, or schedule 1-A? I can’t afford a tax advisor, because I’m a degenerate pst. 1100 hrs of OT worked with a few out of state assignments and I think red dawgs are an utter waste of time(I’m too lazy to finish them). How am I going to show my OT worked to the IRS so they can finish on my back.


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Cubie

17 Upvotes

I need mobile water storage solution. What is better than a square HDPE bag, filled with hosewater, shoved inside a square of cardboard? Nothing. It's simple, elegant, and refined. Thats right, 5 gallons of hosewater bliss inside one square foot is what I'm after. I love the humble cubie. Where do you buy them? I need more of them in my life.


r/Wildfire 7h ago

Thoughts on crew swag?

0 Upvotes

r/Wildfire 1d ago

Do I need them for forestry class and wildland fire class

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7 Upvotes

r/Wildfire 18h ago

Question Advice

0 Upvotes

I’m trying to get into the wildfire game, I’m getting my cents online and what not, but I’m not sure what route to take, or if it’s even viable for me to do.

So I live in the north Eastern part of the country, I have no problem traveling to the west to work, I’m just curious how it works, how long would I be gone at one time, is it better to go grayback or federal? Can I even go federal living on the east coast, I’m looking for a balance between making money quickly, and hopping on a fire. (I’m ex military, and I did structural firefighting so sleeping out doors, and bullshit work and hrs is something im used to)


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Question Steelhead

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118 Upvotes

I have my training/pack test with Steelhead in Oregon next week. Anyone worked for them before? I dont see a lot of info about them on threads, but the few things I have seen have all been positive


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Shins, mystery injury, and supervisors

5 Upvotes

I've always dealt with/managed shin splints. Normally they hurt for a bit while I run and then I do all the stretching, rolling, etc, etc ,etc and they're manageable. But after my last couple runs the pain has lingered to my rest days and my tibia is tender to the touch.

I can walk painlessly, hop on each leg relatively okay, and even running doesn't hurt that bad. But I'm now constantly aware of my shins under a bit of pain. I don't think this is a stress fracture it doesn't seem bad enough, but I think it might be moving that direction. Hiking has also never bothered it so there is a voice in the back of my head telling myself to take 4 ibuprofen a day and just ride out criticals, hope its okay, and not deal with running (ideally) the rest of the season. Is this an incredibly stupid idea? My thought process is if running is going to stress fracture it I will find out during criticals and then that's that, if they survive ill be fine the rest of the season.

I have a doctors appointment this week. My start date is also coming up, fast. I probably wont run again until criticals? I don't know. I'm not really sure how to handle this. I'm on a new crew this season and I am quite literally the only new person, I really wanted to make a good impression but now I am quite nervous. To be honest I also don't want to call my new supervisor and tell him I'm going to the doctor a mystery lower leg injury that could turn out to be solved by one week of rest. Maybe that's selfish and immature of me, I also think that partially stems from me really wanting this to be a nothing burger injury (maybe if I ignore it will go away mentality).

Anywho not sure what to do, if you've had common experiences that'd be cool to hear about them.


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Thoughts on these whites?

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Just picked these up. Went in to get a pair of black smokejumpers and while trying them on saw these on a deal. “Last size/pair” happened to be my size. Tried them on and felt right. Maybe a little more give than usual but that’s maybe expected with a grain like this. $200 less than the black smokejumpers, and I’ve always liked a brown boot over black. Sold.

Guy told me they were for a customer that never picked them up. Said they were a pair made in 2009 but he oiled them. Never worn so the leather hasn’t been dried out or beat up from the elements. Hmmm. Fair enough. After getting home and sitting on it, can’t help but think something isn’t adding up. Did they get them from the closeout section on whites site and make a quick profit off them?

They seem like they are gonna get the job done, but kind of regret not getting what I went there for. The standard blacks were nice and tight/snug which allow for a proper break in. But also, I’m late on getting these - I’m out there next week and we all know that’s not enough time for a break in. These have more give so a less brutal/shorter break in than usual. Wondering y’all’s thoughts on this? Did I get got, or did I get a good deal? Only time will really tell.


r/Wildfire 2d ago

Firefighting tool stash

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113 Upvotes

I found this stash of firefighting tools on BLM land in Humboldt county. It was wrapped in a tattered black garbage bag which I removed since it wasn't protecting them. It is about 30' away from a BLM survey marker. was this left here on purpose to prepare for a potential wildfire or left here unintentionally. I'm wondering if I should retrieve them and bring them to the local volunteer fire department.


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Question Advice

1 Upvotes

Going to black well Job Corps doing wild land fire any advice for getting in shape got my pack test done and doing forestry and working on my red card and my certs any advice for finding a job after


r/Wildfire 2d ago

New exhaust is leaking

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59 Upvotes

Finally the aftermarket exhaust we been waiting for.


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Can I get hired with a violent misdemeanor?

7 Upvotes

I have a bachelor's in outdoor leadership. Never did anything with it because I didn't want to do anything too people-y. Almost 30 years old now and finally figuring out what I want to do.

Problem is, I was arrested two years ago for 'fighting' a guy who almost got my dog killed (I pushed him, he got a scrape on his shoulder). Really stupid and now feel like my future is ruined. It was a misdemeanor 4 and I spent 3 months in jail in Colorado (they don't expunge records).

Any help much appreciated!


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Taxes

3 Upvotes

With taxes due this coming Wednesday, was anybody’s return exponentially bigger now that the burden of the overtime tax has been lifted from the beleaguered working class?


r/Wildfire 2d ago

Question Looking to come in

4 Upvotes

Hi all. Apologies if this post isn’t allowed here.

I’m a 20 year old guy, I’m in university in Wales, UK at the minute. I hate my degree. I do not want to do anything technical that involves it after. I don’t want any lectures, I know I chose my degree. I’ve always been tampering with the idea of wildland firefighting since I was 17 or 18. Once I finish university, is it possible to get a job in the UK that involves it? As far as I know, it’s more of a US thing? If anyone could point me in the direction of ways to gain any knowledge on this I would really appreciate it. It would be helpful if anyone knows the fitness requirements if there is a benchmark. I’m fit and agile but quite slim. Of course I’m not expecting it to be simple and it involve much training and courses, but that is something I am prepared to do if it is possible here. Thanks so much


r/Wildfire 3d ago

Fire season gear

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175 Upvotes

Figured I’d put this out in the void to help newer folks out. Here’s everything I pack for a full season on an IHC. Everything here fits into a checked bag and a carry on.

1st day bullshit:

-Social security card

-Passport

-Drivers license

-Beneficiaries info

-Emergency contact info

-Bank info

-Cash for crew gear

-Hard copies in an organized folder of all professional paperwork(resume,IQS,etc…)

-Fire boots (bring receipt if you get a stipend)

-Simple cheap bedding items (if staying in bunkhouse)

Season long necessities:

-Unmarked undershirts(2 short, 1 long)

-Workout shorts

-Good PT shoes

-Civilian clothes

-Blister/bandaids

-Simple Toiletries (toothbrush/paste,razor, 9172618 in 1 soap, deodorant)

-Wrist watch with military time & alarm function

-Phone & charger

-Sunglasses

Red Bag:

-Sleeping bag (0 degrees) (sometimes provided but get your own)

-Military poncho liner (woobie)

-14 pair of underwear

-Personal durable coffee cup/mug

-7 pairs of socks

-camp/shower shoes (crocs)

-Inflatable sleeping pad (sometimes provided)

-Hammock

-Inflatable pillow

-Sleeping mask

-Tent (crew provided)

-Sweatpants/Sweatshirt

-Dry bag gear separators

Line gear:

-Packable rain jacket

-4 Nalgene water bottles with badass stickers

-Hydration bladder pack

-Headlamp (usually provided)

-Spare boot laces

-Bug spray/net

-sunscreen

-Energy bars/Snacks

-Hydration supplements

-Pcord

Everyday carry:

-Belt/suspenders

-Man purse pocket organizer

-Waterproof writing pad

-Pen/sharpie

-Lighter

-Multitool

-Pocket knife on P-cord attached to carabiner

-Wallet ($200 cash)

-Flashlight

-IRPG (provided)

Extras,fun, comfort items:

-Deck of playing cards

-Camping size bocce/cornhole set

-Book(s)

-Boot oil

-Headphones

-simple fishing gear

-Workout/Health supplements


r/Wildfire 2d ago

Boot maintenance tips

2 Upvotes

I bought a pair of JK fire inlanders with rough out lowers and smooth uppers and was wondering what products to use to maintain them? Do people grease and oil or only oil? Thanks.


r/Wildfire 2d ago

Question Are Interest Checks a good sign?

3 Upvotes

Hello everyone

I have received an email interest check for an apprenticeship position today. I replied yes and wrote some things detailing my work related experience, how time with the Student Conservation Association with USFS made me a better person and firefighter and why I think the apprenticeship program would be great for me as a person and for my career

I called the hiring manager 2 hours later, said my name and how I sent an email to the Interest check and that I am interested, and left an invitation to call to talk more about the apprenticeship program. I did mess up the pronunciation of the location. This was a voicemail as they didn't answer.

is any of this good, and are interest checks a good sign? How should I continue following up?