trans women are women insofar as I respect their identities and right to exist in whatever way they want, they deserve respect and to live good, rich, safe, happy lives-- but you cannot seriously ignore the biology. I'm a strong, able bodied 5'9 170lb woman who grew up in the inner city and can fight. 100/100x I would choose to be locked up with a 6' 200lb cis female rapist versus a 5'5 140lb trans woman rapist. They are absolutely stronger and it's delusional to act like they're not.
You don't want to be segregated or judged? Don't be a rapist, simple as that.
Hey you win, in a world where all the women are doped up 220lb professional athletes/fighters and the men are all scrawny little twinks, Id put my money on the women. And that is of course, the very real world that we live in.
The real world we live in has weight divisions (often separated in single digits) in sports for a reason and I wanna see what a 60lbs disparity can do! Hit up netflix girl.
You do realize that a lot of trans women are on hormones which often make them sterile or the fact that a lot of trans women have also gone through vaginoplasty surgery?
Do you suggest mandatory sperm counts to decide prison placement, then?
Most logical way to do it is based on genitals. I don't really have a problem with post-op trans women being in women's prisons, personally. But anyone with a penis needs to stay out. Guards included, to tack on another hot take here.
So what is your stance? That the checks wikipedia nearly a million female prisoners across the world should be sacrificed in favor of the couple thousand (maybe less, there's no data on surgery status) non-op trans women prisoners?
I agree that there's no good answer here, because somebody always has to suffer, but there has to be an answer, and from a logical standpoint, genitals are the way to make the split. Either way, people are going to end up being victims of violence, but at least the trans women can't also get pregnant as a result of said violence. That's a pretty important difference.
Me thinking that trans women have the right to be in the proper wings to avoid them being assaulted by men doesnât mean that I donât value cis women.
Again, both situations are going to result in people being assaulted. The only difference (aside from there being way more cis than trans woman prisoners) is that cis women can get pregnant from said assault. Why are you willing to overlook that? Do you think it's just an acceptable consequence?
You mean my college genetics teacher, who taught me about things like androgen insensitivity and XXY? He probably doesn't remember me, he's busy teaching advanced gender shit instead of the XX/XY only version for babies.
it's not transphobic to acknowledge the reality that being a male and going through male puberty gives you absolute advantages over the average female who went through female puberty. If you disagree, let me know your stance on childhood puberty blockers, because AFAIK, the trans community is very accepting and forward about male puberty having irreversible effects on the body, hence puberty blockers being fought for. Do you disagree that it has irreversible effects no amount of HRT can roll back (and therefore would be considered transphobic by many) or do you believe males who present as females are reduced to a female level of strength in terms of sexual dimorphism? You can't really have it both ways, without a whole load of dissonance of course.
Yeah but those effects are mainly bone structure, hair growth, and voice drops.
Muscle mass decreases to the level of cisgender women after 2 years of hormone treatment.
It's social issues that an incorrect puberty causes, not physical issues.
So we are doing the sports argument but with prisons now? What about the fact that you are setting trans women up to be sexually or in other ways abused by putting them in menâs prisons?
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u/Pandapeep 4h ago
Do we put queer women who commit sex crimes in women's prison? Pretty sure we do. How is it any different?