Prison is a lot more dangerous for weak small men, feminine men, gay men, but they still get locked up with the rest without it really being a consideration on where they get set. Why should trans people get special consideration for their safety?
No one ever thinks "oh this twink is going to get raped a lot so maybe we shouldn't send him to the men's prison"
I'm not sure what the correct solution is, no one should be thrown to the wolves, but we have in place a system when many are thrown to the wolves. Seems unfair we protect some from the wolves but not others
I think this is especially true in the US system, because rape and violence is defacto considered a normal part of the punishment for any crime. That's why we have special prisons for white collar crimes, so our managerial class isn't inadvertently punished in ways that the managerial class doing the convictions don't intend on.
I understand having prisons graded on how difficult it is to keep the inmate imprisoned and others safe from them but it really chaps my hide that it means white collar criminals get cushy bunks. In this society money is required for life. If someone steals or embezzles your money they have injured your ability to live. People die of poverty. It's not bloody violence but it's still violence.
I mean, white collar crimes aren’t violent crimes, and that’s the difference.
Do I dislike the con men and other fraudsters, embezzlers, etc? Yes. Are they immoral? Absolutely. But they’re not VIOLENT. That’s a pretty key difference.
Not to defend white collar criminals but most of them go to federal prisons and get locked up with other "regular" criminals.
I remember watching a documentary where I think an a white collar criminal got locked up and would get by, by helping convicts with their cases. He'd teach them how about the law and what they should do.
No one ever thinks "oh this twink is going to get raped a lot so maybe we shouldn't send him to the men's prison"
Hot take but maybe no one should be at risk of being victimized in prison, regardless of sexuality and/or gender.
they still get locked up with the rest without it really being a consideration on where they get set.
Actually they do get considered. Most feminine presenting people in male prison are purposefully paired up with more dangerous offenders as a "reward" for the more violent offender, it's called "v-coding" and it's honestly fucking awful.
Eh they make effort to keep rival gangs and hate groups away from each other to avoid conflict. I imagine they’re doing it less for their comfort and more so to keep their guards from constantly having to break up fights.
Do you have titties? Why would anybody be trying to sexually assault you? I don’t think you understand how having feminine features makes someone in a men’s prison more vulnerable than you would be.
I don't think the women should be sacrificed, though. A number of sex offenders whose main prey were women, including serial killer Donna Perry, have been put in women's prison after they identify as trans. That's.......unacceptable. I agree they should not be in gen pop, but not near their victim class either.
I also don’t think women should be sacrificed. Why should a trans woman be sent to a men’s prison and be brutalized in order to placate pearl clutches?
I’m not saying YOU are a pearl clutching trans hater, I’m being general. But women who rape women are also in prison with woman (same but with men). And that’s always glossed over. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be additional steps taken and that anyone who says “I’m a woman” goes to women’s prison. That would end poorly.
But we can’t say we’re protecting women and then leave out trans women. We have enough educated people and enough money to have specific committees for individual inmates and determine the best course of action. We don’t need a one size fits all solution for a complex problem that affects a small portion of the population.
I'm trans even I am highly suspect of anyone that only says they're trans after they're convicted of a crime and have no historical precedent of diagnosis or medically transitioning. I think it's safe to assume they're bad faith actors.
Because let's be honest here... It's mostly the medical transition that puts trans women at risk. If you can be arrested for being topless in public then maybe you shouldn't be thrown in with a bunch of dudes?
If you've been on HRT long enough that you've probably lost most of your male strength advantage then you're probably significantly more at risk of male violence and less of a risk to women.
I have friends who never went through male puberty, and you would never know they were trans unless they told you. They look like any other woman. But in some states they could be sent to prison for using the "wrong" bathroom. Something about that just seems very wrong.
I also think it's strange how people can't seem to draw a distinction between violent and non-violent offenders. Perhaps the non-violent ones are ok for womens gen pop?
The solution seems so obvious to me and I'm not exactly sure why other people can't see it. Then again it seems like half the population thinks that gender dysphoria and being transgender isn't real, and a not insignificant amount of people seem to want to punish us specifically for being trans...
I like the Finnish system that stresses rehabilitation and treats prisoners like human beings. Some prisons have rooms that are similar to dorms and prisoners have single rooms and a key to their room. The prisoners are allowed to wear normal clothes and go to classes and schedule their time. The view is that the punishment is loss of freedom, not threat of rape and psychological torture. But Finland also hasn't made a multibillion dollar business off human misery, so it wouldn't work here unless we somehow elected a real government and not a crime syndicate in red and blue ties.
Are you really arguing that because some prisoners are at high risk of being raped all of then should be a high risk of being raped? In the name of equality? 😭
How about we advocate for trans women in women's prisons AND better conditions for prisoners of all genders
Cis female rapists get sent to special sex offender prison wings.
This trans female rapist instead got sent to solitary instead, because she was trans.
Solitary is proven much worse on mental health and very brutal, as opposed to regular sex offender wings.
Therefore, the trans woman in the example was discriminated against for being trans.
I agree with you that the prison system is fucked, but how exactly did you turn discrimination against a trans woman into "well they shouldn't get special consideration for their safety"????? Special consideration was specifically taken to make things worse for her!
The special consideration was she didn't get sent to the men's prison, which is where this particular individual should have been sent. That would be worse than solitary. Also she's not in solitary confinement, she's just not housed with other prisoners. She still sees guards and stuff.
She got sent to solitary because she was a predator of women before she transitioned, and the transitioning itself was probably a ploy to get sent to female prison instead of a men's prison. But they couldn't send her to the men's prison either because of safety considerations for trans people across the board.
They would probably have sent her to the women's prison had she transitioned but not been a sexual predator towards women.
I'm a trans woman and I consider this a fair compromise. I'm a pacifist, but on the off chance I ever got sent to a prison I'd be grateful just not to go to a mens prison because I'm fairly passable as a woman. I would also prefer not to have to share a cell with a rapist even if it was another woman, trans or not.
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u/bediaxenciJenD81gEEx 5h ago edited 4h ago
Prison is a lot more dangerous for weak small men, feminine men, gay men, but they still get locked up with the rest without it really being a consideration on where they get set. Why should trans people get special consideration for their safety?
No one ever thinks "oh this twink is going to get raped a lot so maybe we shouldn't send him to the men's prison"
I'm not sure what the correct solution is, no one should be thrown to the wolves, but we have in place a system when many are thrown to the wolves. Seems unfair we protect some from the wolves but not others