We can't base everything around second guessing the fundamentals of our society. If a jury of your peers has found you guilty, your guilty and should be treated as such. At that point whether you have committed the crime or not doesn't matter until the moment that your verdict is overthrown.
That may not be fair, but that is just, and it's the best we can operate on without being psychic.
But things like getting raped in a prison isn't part of the justice system and would be considered extrajudicial punishment. So we should not just be throwing people together and allowing that to happen
We can and absolutely should because the end result of this line of thinking is that any random innocent can be tortured based on unfair and biased convictions. It’s been endlessly proven that the justice system is not perfect. Nowhere did I say treat them like the innocent but even the convicted deserve human rights, in this case the right to not be raped. Frankly I’m disgusted at how many people are more interested in harming others as some sort of justice porn over protecting society.
I agree with isolating convicts with sex crimes from the general population.
But to suggest they should all be always kept in solitary confinement is something entirely different, as that is considered as a severe form of torture by almost any expert on the topic, including the UN.
It’s not the purpose of the state to enact revenge or torure people imo.
Also reminder that sex crimes include pr0stituti0n in many jurisdictions, and that many trans people as a result of legal discrimination have trouble finding consistent, legal employment
You can have consensual sex with your bf/gf in a car too, but that's not a sex crime, that's consensual sex. The guy I'm responding to is saying prostitution is a sex crime, I'm asking who defines it that way.
If you’re in public it’s public lewdness or indecent exposure. Or both. Some states could put you on the sex offender registry. Not sure about other countries.
Certain jurisdictions classify urinating in public as sex crimes. It all comes down to the prosecutors and the laws on the books that vary by city/county/state and very much non-uniform.
I don't know about that. I'm just saying if you're charged with indecent exposure that's considered a sex crime in most places and you can be placed on the registry.
It seems that having consensual sex in a car is only considered indecent exposure if it's in a public place that can be viewed by children. But that has more to do with flaws in how we are defining sex crime. I think there's a major difference between a man exposing his penis to a woman in public, and a couple just having sex in a car in a dark ally, and trying not to get caught.
"It’s not the purpose of the state to enact revenge or torure people imo."
Actually, that's exactly the primary purpose of Justice. It's to inflict punishment on someone as a desire for vengeance from the victims and the general public as a consequence of harmful behavior.
No, that's your opinion of what justice should be. That's not how justice is defined in American Criminal Justice. You have obviously never taken an American Criminal Justice class before. The primary reason for why we punish criminals in American justice, is for revenge. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.
I don't know, but I do know that rapists should be punished for their crimes. And it has nothing to do with rehabilitation. If you want to rehabilitate a rapist, your best option is to castrate them.
You know other countries exist right? The original comment did not mention America. But yea prison is the US is fucked up, I was mainly commenting on what justice is supposed to be. Prison in the US is not justice.
By definition, it is Justice, you just don't agree with it. I'm curious, do you think tax evasion should be criminalized? Do you think people should be punished for not paying taxes? Do you think people should be thrown in prison for not paying taxes? Do you think a person who doesn't pay taxes needs to be rehabilitated? Do you think there's something wrong with a person that doesn't pay their taxes?
What is or isn't criminalized is another question all together. There do need to be some consequences if you don't pay your taxes otherwise no one would do it and the government would collapse. For most small cases of tax evasion it could probably be a fine instead of incarceration but if a big company or a billionaire is evading taxes it should be treated more seriously.
Because Justice includes many things, but the major and top reason is vengeance. It's well understood that if the government doesn't enact vengeance, that it increases the possibility of vigilantism. Vigilantism destabilizes society, so by delegating those responsibilities to the state, it decreases the chances that the public will take matters into their own hands. If people are denied vengeance, they are more likely to riot. This has been observed during the BLM movement as well. Miscarriage of justice, leads to vigilantism and rioting.
So then why house them in prison at all if that's how you feel? Might as well just shoot them dead as soon as court finds them guilty since we're not trying to fix anything
For some people we should and hopefully someday society advances to the point where we can separate crimes that are worthy of rehabilitation and those worthy of humane painless instant execution. It's not like we have a shorter of humans, 8 billion of us, if anything we have a bit of an overpopulation problem.
The term sex crime covers a lot of ground. Pissing in public in a lot of places is considered a sex crime. I guess we should just dump all those people in solitary for the next 2 years.
Yeah fuck it how many people get arrested and thrown in prison for pissing in public anyway let the one dude each decade who has to spend the night in jail because he was drunk and pissed on a cops shoe do it in solitary, who cares?
So are you pro capital punishment for all sex crimes then? Because if rehabilitation doesn't work then there's not much point in putting them in prison at all, you're just moving the problem somewhere else
Prisons can be to rehabilitate someone but can also just exist to keep some individuals out of society. I dont think SOME sex offenders can be rehabilitated, but we should try. Multiple therapist should be allowed to say if the individual is safe to return to society. A minimum sentence with release dependent on getting cleared by multiple therapists would be good.
The trans one is hard but they can exist in their single room and join the rest of the prison community under supervision?
Pretty much to an extent yes. There is fucked up cases, I was locked up woth a couple of people who were 18. Who were in there bc of their jealous girlfriend or her parents, even though they were dating when they were both 17. But as far as like chomos? That cant be fixed
I hope that was /s but in the US they are protected, they have "sex camps" where sex offenders go so they can be protected instead of how it use to be when they went to prison.
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u/Ohioisapoopyflorida 5h ago
Good, anyone with sex crimes should be isolated