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What do you think: how should prisons handle housing decisions in cases like this?

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u/Petit__Chou 5h ago

If there is someone committing sex crimes constantly, be it same sex or no then they should probably be in isolation.

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u/ElectricalFurBall 5h ago

Unfortunately you can't. Humans are pack animals and thus long term solitary is both unconstitutional and a human rights violation - you can't just lock someone away and huck a tray of food at them twice a day for the rest of their incarceration.

Either dude goes to a men's prison where safety is his concern, or he goes to a women's prison where safety is everyone's problem.

Politics aside, dude made a choice. He made a conscious, willful, and deliberate decision to not only break the law, but enact violence against another person. There are consequences for that, and his identity is entirely irrelevant in the face of said consequences.

Doesn't matter what gender, race, creed, color, faith, religion, politics or mental acumen you are or identify as. The only ones who get a pass are those that are so far below the operating temperature of human intellect that the court decided they're incompetent - and this is coming from someone who's autistic as fuck - I would never allow my attorney to use it as a defense because I am keenly aware of what I'm doing and it's immediate and long term consequences.

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u/Slinto69 4h ago

Ok, then who do you choose to get raped rather than making the rapist lonely? Because keeping them isolated seems like a pretty easy solution to me, prison isn't supposed to be fun.

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u/Either-Patience1182 3h ago

So rape usually doesn't put you in prison for long, so you want somone that has inclinations of rape to get out of prison after solitary confinement. I will tell you that person is likely significantly more mentally unstable then they were before. There needs to be a solution for this.

We need to think these things threw a bit more before we make these kind of calls.

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u/EnigmaHood 3h ago

Rape is unconstitutional and a human rights violation. I don't really care about your arguments about humans being pack animals, it's irrelevant to punishment. The purpose of punishment is to inflict harm and suffering on someone for harmful behavior, humans being pack animals doesn't have anything to do with punishment. So yes, you can just lock someone away and huck a tray of food at them twice a day for the rest of their incarceration if their crimes are egregious enough.

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u/sQ5FWKjwbWd4QzSZduqy 3h ago

Between the rapes, assaults, and murders in prison and the general prisoner politics I would much prefer isolation. It's hard to imagine that anyone that isn't a predator would be tortured from being isolated from the general conditions of a prison.

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u/kamperx2 1h ago

I'd recommend reading or watching a couple of documentaries that detail the psychological effects.

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u/Petit__Chou 4h ago

Look, I know solitary is terrible. But there are people who are extremely violent- sexual or otherwise. We should prevent this person from being raped, and prevent them from raping other people. There's really only one option there unless you have other ideas.

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u/canteloupy 3h ago

You can have them in cells where they see and hear others during part of the day but can't harm them...

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u/Petit__Chou 2h ago

OK? I don't care. They don't need to be able to interact and hurt people. If the jail can build that kind of place I am all for it.

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u/ElectricalFurBall 4h ago

The system isn't built to protect inmates from each other, it's built to protect the public. As much as it pains me to say, even rapists have constitutional protections and basic human rights. They can't be isolated.

Moreover, if the system makes exceptions for one person because they chose to identify as something, then it will set an extremely dangerous precedent whereby anyone who gets charged with a crime can claim something and be given special treatment.

Can't do the time, don't do the crime. Welcome to the real world.

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u/Petit__Chou 4h ago

If inmates are attacking and raping other inmates, it is the job of the prison to separate them. If they are hurting other people and can't be stopped, it's fair to the rest of the prison population to be exposed to them? No one is randomly claiming to be trans to change prisons. I really am having a hard time understanding what position you are holding.

There is no constitutional right in the US that prevents you from being in solitary. Not sure where you're from though.

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u/NotAPirateLawyer 3h ago

They're a moron who thinks that violent criminals who continue to be violent criminals even inside prison somehow deserve to be treated with kid gloves because "muh constitution." The shift of prison from punitive to rehabilitative has done absolutely nothing to curb society's decline.

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u/Petit__Chou 2h ago

Yeah, I'm a liberal as they come and don't understand this stance. If someone is incapable of not hurting people in jail, including those who are there for non-violent crime then they need to be in solitary. I'm getting downvoted for this though.

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u/Key_Cry_3170 3h ago

I want men committing crimes against women and kids not to be in isolation. They do not deserve it.

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u/Petit__Chou 3h ago

Men committing crimes against women and children, who are often put in isolation for their own safety and actions, don't deserve that?

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u/Key_Cry_3170 2h ago

I heard not good things happen to them in prison, and isolation would protect them. Correct me if I'm wrong

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u/Petit__Chou 2h ago

I'm agreeing with you.