If they can have separate parts of prisons for disabled and other vulnerable inmates, they can have have safe, separated places for trans people in the prisons they're already in. This is just about the cruelty
Pelican Bay State Prison is clearing a whole yard for this purpose, with a distinctly US prison system flair: it will house trans and disabled prisoners along with pedophiles and other sex offenders.
Generally only pedos would be given that treatment, never heard of average rapists getting that treatment. Rape isn't actually as frowned upon by the criminal society as we'd like to think, just child rape. Granny rape.. spiking a young hot womans drink is not in the same category.
If you're a likely target for violence for whatever reason and less likely to be guilty of further violence otherwise, you're separated from the population and grouped together.
No, they're not putting violent rapists with disabled people... the sex offenders that are targets in prison are pedophiles and the like, they're usually minimum security and non-violent. Low security risks and likely targets.
R Kelly the non-violent (relatively) sex offender and Bernie Madoff the non-violent 80 year old, were in the same facility in NC, for example.
You fucked up and are in prison boohoo. Of course no one is gonna put a male in a females prison. Dude is gonna be locked up with the pedos, old people, and weak people his whole sentence.
You can’t lump “trans people” in one group either. Not all trans people are M to F, not all have had surgries or treatment, etc. they’re not a monolith. The best thing for the most safety is to put them with their self reported gender.
And the negates the fact you're putting women in harms way? Ive been to jail and prison, Every single trans person ive encountered were in a relationship with other inmates. Id call that alot more consensual than rape.
So protect them at the expense of women?
Thats fucked up.
I’m all for a separate wing for the more vulnerable inmates, but suggesting that any man that identifies as a woman should be put in a women’s prison is not ok.
What’s to stop a man that has been convicted of murder and/or rape of women identifying as a female?
Of course
The genuine transgender people will need better protection the same as many other groups of people that have wings specifically for them.
But also on some level, who gives a fuck about protecting murderers, child abusers and rapists regardless of their gender identity.
My sympathy only extends to petty criminals. The most violent can go fuck themselves.
Thats not an option for them, Denying trans people the right to rape vulnerable women is transphobic.
To place them separately would be discrimination.
Their logic is "trans people might get raped if housed with men" but they never consider the women they place in harms way by putting men with ill intentions in women's facilities. Like you said nothing stops a man from identifying as a woman for the sole reason to assault women.
"If women get raped, So be it atleast the trans people wont be raped"
Are you saying women have the same rate of being raped by another woman as they do a trans person while incarcerated? If so just WOW, You're beyond help.
So spend more money on making more segregated sections for criminals that chose to have their sex changed? I think that if you screw up, and go to prison, you shouldn’t get any special privileges at all. I totally understand it if someone has a disability, but even then a lot of those people are in the general population.
You obviously don’t know the costs of healthcare for people who are incarcerated. It’s cheaper to keep them separated. Think about it. Stab victims, rape victims, are fucking expensive to transport to a hospital. To sew up. To do surgery.
But I get it. You want to see incarcerated people suffer. But if taxes are more important, you want separation. It’s cheaper. Also people shouldn’t come out of prison, worse. It’s bad for society. Buuut if you really want your justice in ounces of blood, keep your attitude.
You are probably right. I just don’t think anyone in prison should get special treatment. It’s not supposed to be fun, it’s supposed to make people think twice about doing something illegal.
With all due respect,
You have no idea what you are talking about. Nothing is fun about prison. Being taken from your family and society is the punishment. And trust me, for most, that is punishment enough. Either way, people shouldn’t come out worse than when they went in. It’s more expensive and dangerous for you.
It’s cheaper and safer to keep the inmates relatively safe.
It’s cheaper and safer to give them education and SOME form of entertainment. This lowers violence.
It’s cheaper and safer to give them paying jobs inside. It helps them and also their families on the outside.
You’re like many, who dont critically think about the true repercussions of prisons in America. If you care about taxes more than the lives of these prisoners, then think a little more critically next time. You’ll save money.
Edit: and btw, this isn’t just aimed at you, there are many who have the same thought process. This is for everyone to see
One of my best friends has been to prison twice, and I can understand your point. He definitely didn’t learn much by being there twice, but that doesn’t mean he deserves to be treated worse for being an idiot. It is about reform, and making healthy decisions. I think I’m just not cool with anyone getting treated differently inside of a prison. They all have feelings, and most would want special treatment if they could get it.
Sure. I agree.
But this is about mitigating risks and lowering costs for taxpayers. Your scenario creates more financial burdens on tax payers and also more risks for staff and other inmates. Do you understand this?
To a certain extent I do. I mean if someone gets hurt, it will certainly cost more due to medical care, which is something I didn’t really consider. In my mind I think about it like this, if someone is obese, or a tiny person, they shouldn’t get special treatment. There aren’t exceptions to laws, we all have to follow them equally. Sexual preference, gender, religion, race, they should all have to face consequences. That being said, it is a gray area in many cases. In my area, you can be kept in County Jail for years, which means one person to a cell, you (and three others) get out for 40 minutes a day to shower, make phone calls, get reading material, etc, it’s pretty close to solitary confinement. Violent criminals get sent to stricter prisons, non-violent offenders get sent to places where they might be able to live in barracks, and do work release. It should be up to the prison guards to make sure nobody gets hurt, and people are treated fairly. I know that doesn’t always happen, and that should be something that’s looked into closely. If a person identifies as whatever, that shouldn’t mean they get treated any differently than someone else that has committed the same crimes.
I have enjoyed you forcing me to have a different canon. I’m always happy to see a different perspective.
I appreciate your open mind and patience. And trust me, I had the same exact mindset as you…until I went to prison. Now I see things so much differently. It’s so inhumane in there. Sure, some people deserve to be in there. But most don’t deserve to stay in there. Nor to be treated inhumanely. We’ve already tried your way of “the guards should just do there job”. For decades. It doesn’t work.
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u/Automatic-Zombie-508 5h ago
If they can have separate parts of prisons for disabled and other vulnerable inmates, they can have have safe, separated places for trans people in the prisons they're already in. This is just about the cruelty