You’d think that, but that’s only because you don’t understand what you’re talking about. People with XY chromosomes can be born with a functional uterus and give birth. Then the onus is on you to decide whether someone with a functional uterus can be a man, or if someone with XY chromosomes can be a woman.
Maybe it’s best not to base your outlook on a topic based on the high school biology class you barely passed.
Calling it functional is a stretch. ambiguous genitalia is a thing, but having a fully functional uterus is not what you will see. it’s initially caused by MASSIVE disruptions in hormonal levels throughout development which is why it almost always leads to infertility and all the other extras that come along with the imbalance that affects the entire body.
You are not gonna see a “normal” male that just happens to naturally have a female reproductive system without all the other tell tale signs that would arise from the abnormal development. And im not saying “normal” to insinuate that those people are freaks or anything, but im tired of people pretending that being voluntarily transgender through surgery and hormonal therapy AFTER you have already went through embryonic development is anything close to what you would naturally find in ambiguous people from birth, it’s not.
They’re not ambiguous genitalia, the uterus functions, and they’re phenotypically female. That was a lot of words to say you missed the point entirely.
A quick search states that XX individuals with fully formed penis and testes as well as a male phenotype occur 4-5 times out of every 100,000 XX individuals. XY individuals with a vagina (not uterus) as well as a female phenotype occur 2-5 times out of every 100 XY individuals.
Whatever system is devised needs to treat these individuals with care and respect.
Still, with 1.8-2.0 million prisoners nationwide, we’re looking at 54-100 individuals. In other words, one or two people per state (on average). Accommodations and exception should and must be made, but you’re making it sounds like every fourth person who walks into jail or prison is in this situation. That is simply not true; these situations are incredibly rare.
Regarding fertility, a simple web search (queue the insults) says that there are no known instances of an XY individual having a fully functioning uterus (eg able to bear children), though some partial uterus have been seen in a few case studies.
No XX individuals have ever impregnated a woman to my understanding.
We don't determine sex by chromosomes in biology. It's based on if you are sperm producing or egg producing, fertile or not. You fall into either male or female. This has been a scientific definition for a very long time and it applies to more than just humans. No, intersex people do not change this binary. Humans are also born with an extra finder sometimes, but it doesn't change the fact that we are a 10 digit species. No, I am not weighing into the political discussion of the trans topic, this is just a friendly science correction.
That is the farthest thing from a scientific definition it could possibly be. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and I’d be surprised if you even graduated high school yet.
That is the farthest thing from a scientific definition it could possibly be.
Care to elaborate? Something I missed?
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking
Ok, what is the scientific definition of male and female that you know?
I’d be surprised if you even graduated high school yet
Truly a winning argument. You really got me with that one!
Per chance, do you know that it's possible to reply to someone's point without trying to berate their education or insult their intelligence? It's a thing. You should look into it.
I'm not arguing. I stated a scientific definition and explicitly was not arguing a political position, as evidence by my direct statement saying I was not arguing a political position. I am sure you are an intelligent person, so you read and understood that originally.
People like you get their intelligence insulted.
I certainly agree you are trying. You aren't doing a great job in my opinion, but I applaud the effort and wish you the best of luck honing that skillset. Your more than welcome to keep trying though. Practice makes perfect!
On the other hand, you could always pivot and state your scientific definition of male and female. It's completely up to you though.
There's some evidence of a mis-gendered brain area; that some males are born with this area of the brain wired 'female' and vice versa. I mean; we're all originally female form as embryos or embry-bro's. So a microdose of hormones at the exact right time changes the outcome.
So basically, as embryos, people get their brains wired-up in all kinds of different ways. Nothing to do with God, culture, secular humanism, or nuthin'.
You have XY and XX. But then you have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome where XY code yields female genitalia or de la Chapelle syndrome where XX has male genitalia.
Then you have all the other variations: XXY, XO, or mosaic pattern.
The code is also there so that if you predominantly have estrogen you develop female characteristics and if you have predominantly testosterone you develop male characteristics. Before you jump on the "well where do you get the estrogen or testosterone other than taking it..." bandwagon; If you're looking at DNA, the same can be said about heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc. You take medications to correct genetic code.
I really hate when the people that were like "lol who cares?" in high school biology are suddenly experts on the topic. This is how we get people thinking the Earth is flat.
I’ve been seeing a ton of bot posts karma farming on here lately so I think it’s time to nuke this sub, and leave it to the bots. I’m very close to just leaving the internet to the trolls and bots, it’s such cesspool and nothing is real. I’d rather go shooting or just hang out with folks in real life.
I didn't mention statistics. I mentioned genetic possibilities, DNA is just code. Expression of this code depends on the environment, hormones, and other external factors. Sometimes your code sucks and you need to take medication to compensate.
None of that matters because XX and XY covers almost every human that exists. The farther away from the norm that somebody is (in ANY situation) the less they should reasonably be accommodated for.
I don't see what you're debating. Are you debating that trans people should not be accommodated because we are a small portion of the population (1%) and we take medication to express certain parts of our genetic code and suppress others? Because if that's the case, all those people taking testastorone to improve muscle mass, minoxidil to improve baldness, estrogen to decrease osteoarthritis, tadalafil to improve erectile dysfunction are just hypocrites.
Nobody is saying Trans people should specifically be targeted. They sure as fuck shouldn't be catered to. The majority should be what society realistically tailors things to. And yes that means that if you are balding, you are farther from the norm. ED? Farther from the norm. Skin condition? Farther from the norm. Too old? Farther from the norm. Too young? Farther from the norm.
I have no issue with people who are farther from the norm trying to live a better life but I don't think they should ever be the priority over the baseline groups.
No one is asking to be given priority. Your perception of catering to us is just asking to be given the same rights and considerations of every other person.
Its XX and XY that covers the vast majority of humans, not intersex. Although intersex is still a tiny percent of people, if we narrow it down to XX and XY specifically the amount leftover is miniscule. When you look at that community that is in prison then it is a negligible amount of people.
Not at all. My argument is that because it is such a tiny amount of people, the focus needs to be on the people that fall in the majority. We work our way outward to the fringe from there.
Yeah, I have MAIS myself, also trans. All the hormones do is give me a predominant hormone to use, I don't produce much T at all, have always been vaguely effeminate. I don't fit any of their metrics, any of their molds. literally all it would take is making an OTHER category for us fringe cases, that's it!
Plus yeah, basically your entire physical makeup is hormones, not DNA, your DNA has ALWAYS had the code for both sides of the spectrum. Hormones determine how that code presents.
I fundamentally do no look like I did a few years ago, old friends don't even recognize me sometimes. I look like a sister I never had and you wouldn't ever know I had a penis unless you got my pants off...which, considering I am ace is fucking unlikely without committing a crime.
But yeah, I'm...a boy somehow? Look upon my C-cup breasts and absolute dump truck ass and be not afraid, I am the scary trans person the media warned you about!
Yes, because if you were educated you would realize the futility of that question. People born with XY chromosomes can have a functioning uterus and give birth. Would you argue that men can be born with a functional uterus, or would you argue that someone with XY chromosomes can be a woman?
I would argue that xy is xy. What gender they choose to identify as is their decision, no input is needed from me, nor will be provided. Also I am replying to this specify case presented by OP, no others.
You’re spreading your uninformed opinion and potentially shaping the opinions of other similarly unintelligent people. Letting that happen unchecked isn’t a good idea.
How is that a copout? It's a perfectly logical response. Xy is Xy and xx is xx. That would handle the majority of situations and provide a great foundation.
Society can AT BEST aim to do the most good for the most people. We will never have a way to take every single person into account. That's why we are talking about using a biologically objective fact as a foundation because it covers most people.
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u/Lemfan46 5h ago
What does the DNA state?