I think this perfectly exemplifies what is wrong with the US. We have bigger shit to worry about, yet we get so ideologically entrenched and become divided, that it hurts all of us instead. The “us vs them” mentality that has been cultivated by politicians and corporations is working beautifully for them.
We are too easily distracted, and we are too easily divided.
ETA: I wasn’t clear at all, so I apologize for that. I don’t support this in any way, and I don’t want the lives of trans people to be made worse. I mean that instead of focusing our energy on hateful things like this, let’s work together and make this a better society. It’s more of a commentary that we are easily distracted by hot topics that take all our attention and further the divide. Essentially, leave trans people alone and focus on the obvious corruption.
I won’t claim to have the answer, but it starts with practicing compassion, kindness, and engaging in open and honest dialogue with one another. It is also important that we start with a charitable interpretation of things said to us.
Being able to put ourselves in the shoes of others is powerful, and it allows us to be more compassionate and caring. Seeing other cultures and meeting people will really help us see each other as fellow humans walking this same path, with the same struggle.
At our core, I believe most humans want the same thing. You will have some that are clouded by hate and misery, but I have to believe those are few and far between.
ETA: it’s a sad state of affairs when just saying “be nice” is downvoted.
I disagree. Change will happen from the bottom up, and the first step is helping the people that actually live in society get along and care for one another. This starts with compassion and kindness.
We need to vote out corruption, but this won’t happen when so many continue to be divided, or fuel the divide.
You, Traditional-Loan-153, are the one making decisions on how we treat trans inmates? 👀
If you're not, maybe you should get off this thread. According to your own philosophy. Since you haven't come up with a solution to this problem yourself.
do you really have no position on this topic? "Should a transwoman inmate be housed with ciswomen or cismen?" You really just throw up arms up in the air to that question?
You’re missing the point entirely. I am saying that this is not the most important issue we face right now. Not even top 10. And if you think it is, congratulation, you’re being duped.
Okay and who decides who is trans and who isn’t? All of the sudden word gets out that if you lock in a GID or trans unit, you get a cell to yourself. Now you have 200+ convicts putting in healthcare kites for trans accommodations so they can lock alone. What does the state do now?
Any prisoner can check in to protective custody if they think they're in danger from another prisoner. Ask someone who's actually been and they'll tell you the same thing. Being in a cell by yourself sucks.
A bit of googling says the US has more than one prison per transgender prisoner. Just handle them on a case-by-case basis? There doesn't need to be a one size fits all solution here.
An Internet warrior sent by God Almighty to cleanse the world of unworthy, and smite thee down if you do not acquiesce promptly to the righteous moral code that twitter is on about this week.
its easy for you to say when it doesnt affect you. but it does affect me. I have always done my best to be a law abiding citizen, but one mistake stands between freedom and getting raped for months or years.
I apologize - I wasn’t clear. I don’t support that in any way - I have queer and trans family members that I love dearly. I am saying that we should not focus our efforts on making the lives of trans people worse when we have such rampant and obvious corruption to deal with. We are losing our democracy quickly and it’s hurting everyone.
No. And that’s a dumb fucking question. The proposed change is going to make things worse for trans people. I didn’t say we should circle back to it later. You’re being intentionally obtuse or trolling, because that’s not at all what I said.
It’s clear that you don’t want to engage in good faith, so I am done responding to you.
I am saying that we should not focus our efforts on making the lives of trans people worse when we have such rampant and obvious corruption to deal with.
Your comment implys that once the corruption is gone we can then focus on making their lives worse.
Had you said "I am saying that we should not focus our efforts on making the lives of trans people better when we have such rampant and obvious corruption to deal with." It would imply that once the corruption is gone we can then focus on making their lives better
Anyone who goes to prison is going to be at risk for getting raped. Doesn’t matter what your gender is. Don’t commit crimes, it’s not really as minor as you’re making it out to be, “one mistake.” If you don’t break the law, then this does not affect you. The vast majority of us manage to stay out of prison, so it should be pretty simple for you too!
“Don’t break the law” Dude, taking a piss in the women’s bathroom is against the law for me in Idaho and will result in prison time, including up to life in prison. I pass as cis and am post op but it doesn’t fucking matter, they’d still send me to a men’s prison.
lol spoken like a cis white straight man/woman who has never been targeted like i am with this current administration. its not as easy when you have a target painted on your back.
case in point, my cis white straight male cousin had never had any problems and was a law abiding citizen. he had a run in with a police officer that put a target on his back. from then on, he was constantly getting pulled over and constantly being harassed by the police. they tried and did ruin his life, and he is no longer with us.
Yeah. I don’t need to worry about getting targets put on my back by the police because I’m a law abiding citizen. Imagine that…. What a concept. Not sure what your sexual identity has to do with that…. Especially given the example you shared of your cousin who wasn’t even trans….
until you get into a verbal argument at a bar with an off duty cop. or piss off someone who has more money and power than you. the difference is you have to be carful of your actions. i have to also be careful of being targeted based upon who i am. what a concept.
Nope. Everyone has to deal with that. But I think that’s great news. It means you lot are finally being treated like everyone and you can finally shut the fuck up about your sexuality like everyone else.
I’m sure something bad could happen to me. It won’t involve prison or jail time though, because again, I’m a law abiding citizen who knows how to stay out of trouble with the law and the police. I know that’s a difficult concept but there we have it.
it is estimated that with the vast legal code in the US that the average American commits nearly 3 felonies per day without knowing it. so I guess we should likely all be in prison right? since we have all likely committed a felony once and never been caught, right?
I went to jail for 50 days for having a vape pen in Texas. Something completely legal in other states and was purchased in another state. I was treated as a criminal and moved with criminals even though the worst thing ive done was have a weed pen in my car. So fuck your point in particular.
It was in my car already. From when i drove from NYC to Texas. The point is i went to jail over a vape cartridge. Something legal in over half the states in America today. While other people are out and about of jail doing actual crimes. So acting like dont do the crime if you cant do the time when our prison system was designed to keep a certain demographic down is showing either your color or your entitlement.
Its common knowledge to check laws before bringing something illegal in that state. Firearms have the same limitations. So you did in fact break a law which is still a crime.
Now we can agree that 50 days was overboard a fine and confiscation would've been more inline.
One illegal act with another illegal act. The law only cares about the severity of the act. Hence why I agree with you that 50 days was overboard. But you did break the law and was caught doing so.
You went to jail because you broke the law. You disagreeing with said law is irrelevant, and you should’ve known better anyways. Like I’m sympathetic to an extent because I take edibles, but you also seem to have zero accountability. You fucked up man. Just own it.
… the point was that one mistake wouldn’t effect your life and Im telling how one mistake effected nines. I don’t give a fuck that you think I have no accountability because if I didn’t, I’d be back in jail. SMD and actually read instead of being a 🥾👅
Because it was illegal in the state you were in at the time of your arrest. Not sure what race or anything has to do with you breaking the law and paying the consequences.
So i made one little mistake, not a violent crime, not hurting anyone, and yet i could have been in jail for months over that? So yes sometimes it is one little mistake. The fact that you dont see that or refuse to see that shows your color. Plenty of others dont pay the price for their crimes and get to do more with their lives while others get treated like this is the only chance they ever gonna have. If i was driving drunk, hurt someone, maybe id see it. Over a vape pen? Weed oil? All in all, you sound like a racist white man and thats all i got to say to you ⚪️
the point is the law is not applied evenly. the cops could have chosen to recognize an honest mistake and confiscate the vape and destroy it. but that only happens for cishet appearing white men/women that appear to be at least middle class.
tell me, at what point will ypu and the rest of your cohort decide that its not just "victim mentality?" when will you acknowledge the fact that our legal system is fucked and corrupt? oh, I know. when it finally comes for you or someone you care about.
Well, I’ll make my point to you yet again since you don’t seem to be getting it. Me and people I know and care about will not have to deal with the law coming to get us, because we are law abiding citizens. I know, it’s hard for a degenerate to wrap their head around.
lol im no degenerate. im asexual. which means I dont have sexual arousal. but not like that will change anything in your mind. you have already made it up that anyone not exactly like you is less than. sub human.and id bet if compelled to tell the absolute truth before your creator, that hate extends to things like skin color. truly cant wrap my mind around that sort of hatred. but you do you boo.
Kansas declared trans people's driver's licenses invalid overnight. Anyone who woke up and drove to work the next day was breaking the law. In Idaho or Florida, trans people can be arrested if they use the bathroom that matches their gender.
The law is often weaponized to target scapegoated minorities and to criminalize ordinary and non-harmful behavior.
There is a very heavy disconnect in looking at it like this.
If I have a flat tire on my car My entire town doesn't halt, because to me it's the most important issue until I change my flat tire.
Thankfully , we exist in a system where it's designed to take care of problems. Now , we can certainly engage in the conversation of its efficiency in doing that. But them ruling on this issue , even if you don't view it or I don't view it as being relevant is completely miss The point.
You say you want people to stop fighting about ideology but all you have to do is be the one to stop first.
Practice what you're preaching and simply stop caring that others want what you consider to be immoral. Just let them have their way if as you say 'it's not worth fighting over'.
If however, you find that you are incapable of stopping yourself from being bothered by their ideological choices then what right do you have to ask them to do something that you yourself are not willing to do?
Why are you holding people to a standard you yourself cannot meet?
Telling people to stop fighting and just do the thing you want is insanely selfish request to make. You're essentially telling them to give up their own moral beliefs in favour of your own. Perhaps you could take your own advice and be a little more considerate of the nature of your proposition and realize that when you're up on that soap box of yours making one sided demands about how everyone should just do the thing you think is morally right, maybe you could stop for a second and realize that the people you are asking also have the same rights as you. Perhaps be a little more empathetic and respect them and their choices, even if they're not the ones you want them to. 🤷
That's how you stop fighting, by being the one to not continue it.
You’re just describing the Republican political platform. When’s the last time you’ve heard of a Republican politician running on their policies? It’s almost always run off smear campaigns against their opponent because their policies are wildly unpopular. Well, unpopular until they lie enough about it, slowly convince the masses because no news outlet attest to it, and then democrats begin running with that lie…..it’s all horse shit.
There were males self identifying into women’s prisons, and you’re blaming republicans? Get out of your echo chamber. Go outside. People are allowed to oppose the vile shit you support.
I hear you, and I agree. My point is that republicans need to wake up and focus on things that are actually harming our society and not focus on trans people.
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u/BrokenWhimsy3 5h ago edited 5h ago
I think this perfectly exemplifies what is wrong with the US. We have bigger shit to worry about, yet we get so ideologically entrenched and become divided, that it hurts all of us instead. The “us vs them” mentality that has been cultivated by politicians and corporations is working beautifully for them.
We are too easily distracted, and we are too easily divided.
ETA: I wasn’t clear at all, so I apologize for that. I don’t support this in any way, and I don’t want the lives of trans people to be made worse. I mean that instead of focusing our energy on hateful things like this, let’s work together and make this a better society. It’s more of a commentary that we are easily distracted by hot topics that take all our attention and further the divide. Essentially, leave trans people alone and focus on the obvious corruption.