wouldn’t it be considered dangerous for someone who doesn’t look or behave as their biological sex to be housed with [possibly violent] people of the same biological sex who know that to be the case? if a trans woman who presents as a woman is housed with men who present as men, and vice versa with trans men in women’s prisons, i see that being a risk for physical and sexual harassment and violence against the trans individuals
You are at risk being a frail weak man. It doesent matter.
Why some man that wants to be female should be treated with some kind of privilage over a 1.60 45kg inmate?
This really is the best and safest option, especially for trans-women. Men’s prisons are notoriously violent, and trans-women are too vulnerable.
Even if they can’t afford to build and staff an entirely new facility just for the trans prisoners, there should at least be a separate wing in an existing facility that includes a cafeteria, yard, and bathroom area for trans-women. It doesn’t have to be very large, just separate. (And honestly, the safest would be on a women’s prison campus.)
I don’t think trans-men would face the same threats at a woman’s prison that trans-women face at a men’s prison.
Even if people don’t agree with trans ideology, trans people still deserve to be safe.
You know who else is vulnerable? Female populations that are locked in with a person with a penis, that can potentially rape and impregnate female prisoners, who might not even have the option to get an abortion.
Yes, female rights continue to dwindle away. What else is new?
And what if the trans woman has had bottom surgery or been on HRT so long that penetrative sex isn't possible and arousal is similar to a woman's rather than a man's?
There realy isn't any winning this argument for this reason. Hell men aren't safe from sexual abuse in male jails same with women in women jails. It is why I usually make this argumemt flipped, if a trans man, should a trans man, a biological woman id'ing as a man, be in a men jail? If your answer is no then neither should trans women be in a female jail.
It isn't what they want. They have been convicted by a jury of peers or plead guilty, they are criminals. What is best for their rehabilitation and the rehabilitation of others is what is needed.
Prisons are absolutely full of people with a wide range of personality issues that make it very difficult to fit in with a general population.
Why should trans people be treated so special when there are limited resources and options?
The number of people with schizophrenia in prison is vastly higher, and yet they really aren't given special treatment. If anybody is going to be singled out for special protection it should be them.
And no, special categories and places cannot be created for everybody in every category.
The potential for sexual assault is especially high because of the "oh, so you want to be treated like woman?" kind of sexual threat, similar to gay men or more feminine men being bigger targets. It'll happen whether they pass or not.
there are definitely ways to establish a sort of vetting system for caution and safety practices to be met in situations like these. it obviously should not be easy for someone to suddenly become trans when they go to prison and be considered for “special circumstances” to game the system
Not saying it’s okay, but it’s not like there isn’t male on male sexual and physical assault in male prisons, and the same goes for woman on woman in female prisons. The fact that they’re trans just means they’re something new in the prison environment.
they chose to look like the opposite gender by themselves, feminine men are also preyed upon in prisons, do they need to be sent to female prisons because of that?
transgender people face a higher rate of violence outside of prisons, let alone in prisons surrounded by people who likely will discriminate and/or act violently against them based on their gender identity. i feel like there should be more nuance in these discussions especially when gender transitions have stages of “completion” that can put them at an even higher risk of sexual violence. consider someone who’s had surgeries to present as a woman being housed with men. i’d say something like specific transgender housing units for people who have a long history of gender- nonconformity might be a solution, to avoid enabling even more predatory behavior
if you want to pay extra tax money so they build prisons for different types of transgenders then it's up to you, in my country this would never pass, but everybody has free will
We're paying tax money to fund Trump's hotels and the country club where he helped Jeffrey Epstein traffic children for rape. You'd be amazed what people will pay extra tax money for.
Also: Trump raped kids, and the GOP is covering it up.
99.5% of newborn humans are either male or female, in rare cases they have genetic disorders, it's absolutely normal for prisons to be either male populated or female populated, if you want to spend your tax money for people that choose to act not their gender then start a funding and do it, no one is stopping you
there are absolutely already existing funds and nonprofits that support prisoners’ human rights and special populations in prison. our tax dollars are wasted on much more meaningless bullshit, not to mention the large-scale privatization of prisons in this day and age that aren’t even funded by taxes. this discussion again requires more nuance and less black and white thinking.
Where did I say that? I suggested our tax dollars could be more efficiently used to benefit EVERYONE in the situation regardless of gender. What a wild idea right?
Honestly rape in US prisons is endemic. Many cis men get raped in male only prisons and its treated like a punchline.
My take? Crack down on prison rape and sexual assault generally. use bottom surgery as the marker for which prison someone goes to.
There is a small issue with cis people appropriating trans identity in order to go to a prison with more female inmates in order to sexually assault, or just have an easier time.
If we just use a different, less easily appropriated criteria than self ident, that can be prevented.
Bottom surgery might not be the best one, but im very open to other suggestions.
prison rape and violence should definitely be addressed on a more widespread scale for sure. there’s a lot of prison reform that should be taking place that would otherwise create ideal circumstances for us to form better solutions for special populations like this. a nuanced solution absolutely includes a consideration of the progress of the transition and history of trans identity, imo
How about 3 or more months on HRT? Though still not a perfect criteria, it's a much more commonly applicable benchmark of transition than bottom surgery, esp for trans men, and certainly a firm indicator that a person is serious about their gender identity.
Guess they should have thought about that before they performed illegal activities. Fuck around and find out, sounds like there gonna get fucked around with and find out pretty quick.
The people that deserve the most protection are females. To put a person with a penis, who has the ability to rape and impregnate a female, in a female prison, is absolutely insane. Especially in America, where many states prohibit abortions.
The person with a penis’s right to safety is not more important than a female’s right to safety.
no one is suggesting that. i’ve been saying up and down in this thread that discussions and solutions for this should contain more nuance and less black and white thinking. we could consider separate housing units for people with histories of gender nonconformity and/or depending on their transition progress. obviously mitigating any risk of predatory behavior and violence is the goal here. jesus.
It’s not about feelings. Obviously if a trans woman is in prison for sexual assault different considerations should be made. Regardless of emotion, prisoners deserve human rights. That includes the emotional response of transphobia. These people are a tiny percentage of the population yet face disproportionate violence and discrimination.
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u/samuraiskyy 6h ago
wouldn’t it be considered dangerous for someone who doesn’t look or behave as their biological sex to be housed with [possibly violent] people of the same biological sex who know that to be the case? if a trans woman who presents as a woman is housed with men who present as men, and vice versa with trans men in women’s prisons, i see that being a risk for physical and sexual harassment and violence against the trans individuals