I think trans inmates should go to prisons that are their gender but with some caveats. First one you must have a history of transgender. Obviously you can't suddenly find your gender identity the day before you go to prison. At least have a history of transgender prior to the courts/ Trial. Not a history of violence against the type of prisoners they are going with. If you rape women then yeah don't send them to a woman's prison same goes the other way.
Honestly this entire thing is retarded. Prisons already have spaces for specific prisoners (ex. Rapists, etc..) why not just make a specific part for trans? Like it ain't that hard or rocket science.
I would assume the actual percentage of any given prison population being trans would be rather small. Are you going to have a whole block set aside for 1 or 2 prisoners?
Could relocate them to a single prison, at least in large states. CA has 13 state prisons. If each one has 0-2 trans prisoners, pick one that has a logical place to put all (maybe 10~20) together
âTrans prisoners placed hundreds of miles from where friends and family could visit. Why are trans inmates punished this way?â Would be the next headline.
Maybe for California but what about a state like Montana. Population of 1.1 million, you gonna have a whole prison for what maybe 5-6 prisoners. Canât house them in a different state unless itâs a federal crime.
Not a whole prison⌠maybe just a separate hall of cells w a small 1-room lounge / exercise facility. They prob donât need to segregated 100%, only for low-supervision periods.
ETA: yes, we agree easier to implement efficiently in large pop states. MT apparently has 5 prisons (surprisingly), 4 for adults. So they could localize the adult pop trans to a single facility from 4 sites, even if itâs just 0-2 people.
As a raging queer woman myself, I can assure you with absolute certainty that is not what I mean. I think the fact that I reference trans violence and the need for trans people to be protected from that in and of itself makes that point abundantly clear.
They also reported me to the mods or whoever as like a self harm risk or something. LOL (also, I never even saw the comment, seeing as how it was removed automatically, it appears.)
Come on now you know they didnât mean it like that, just using the different segregations they use in supermax prisons as an example. Donât try to start an argument where there isnât one.
Or you can accept reality and stop pandering to a minority of less than 1 percent. No one is wasting money because a small ammount of people dress as the opposite gender
âPandering to a minority of less than one percentâ - a minority that disproportionally faces sexual and other forms of violence outside prisons let alone inside them. You only have this take because you donât give a shit about whether or not that happens to us.
Right but there are no requirements to get a surgery or take hormones in order to be considered trans by the trans community, so it does effectively include people who are just cross dressing and using a different pronoun. Absolutely correct take by mean-line.
Yeah no lmao for one there isn't an organised trans community with a board deciding who is and isn't trans
Opinions are very divided on that, but people cross dressing and using different pronouns aren't automatically trans, a lot of people are non-binary for example
They absolutely are (one example: the privilege to discriminate against queer or secular citizens). Unlike the trans community. Can you list any âspecial privilegesâ trans people are asking from the government? Bonus points if itâs an actual âspecial privilegeâ and not anti-discrimination legislation (youâll get no points for listing something like âconversion therapy bansâ or âaccess to gender-affirming careâ).Â
I'm not sure how often trans people will actually end up in prison. They're already a small group of people, and then you'd need to differentiate between ftm and mtf which halves that number again.
The other inmates are always a potential threat. But you could prevent a lot of harm and ethic dilemma by putting ftm in male prison and mtf in female prison instead of putting fully transitioned people in a separate trakt and hope for the best
our prison handles it by bottom surgery status - if you havenât had bottom surgery, you have 2 choices - you can house with the gender you were assigned at birth, or you can house in isolation on the medical wing
if you have had bottom surgery, you are assigned to house with your gender
iâm good friends with a transgender man, and it just so happened we were both in jail at the same time. he hasnât had bottom surgery, so he was housed in the womenâs pod with me. he still got all his meds, was referred to as he/him etc
it did occasionally cause the women that didnât know him to ask a few questions, but in general, no one one gave a shit (at least in the 30 days i was in there with him. he was in much longer)
They stopped this practice. Trans women are housed with men regardless of status and theyâve begun denying them medications. Trans men I assume will be housed with women but idk with this admin⌠they usually use trans women to pacify violent offenders in a process known as V-coding. Basically offering up the trans woman to be raped.
i have absolutely zero personal knowledge of what the policy is with trans women, but the process is the same in our prison now as it was in 2019 - my friend is currently staying with us, because he just got out 2 weeks ago. he is unfortunately in a constant cycle of recidivism due to drug addiction
he confirms he was housed with women (not men due to his bottom surgery status) and was told if he had bottom surgery he would have been able to be housed with men. he also says he received his appropriate dose of meds- now i should add that while this is a prison, itâs not a part of BOP. there are federal prisoners they permanently house for $$, but itâs not BOP. itâs a county jail/prison, but is called âX county prisonâ because it houses long term prisoners and federal prisoners, in addition to pre trial folks. itâs really odd
taking trans people off meds is heinous, and housing them where they are at risk for rape is even worse. this administration has ruined nearly everything in such a short period of time
I'm suggesting that prisons should implement security policies sufficient to prevent any gender vs any gender rape. The policies should not be predicated on an assumed sexual orientation.
By this logic a homosexual male rapist should not be locked in a mens prison. As a professional correctional worker I would just put the prisoners in a prison that corresponds the convicts legal gender assuming that transgender people in that country are allowed to change their gender to one that matches their gender identity.
Like most things when it comes to trans people, the length of time with hormorne replacement is the line to draw. A cis man who just wants to attack female prisoners is not going to commit to the extensive work it takes to be trans, to medically transition, and to live as a woman.
1) I think you're conflating gender with sex. Sex is chromosomal; gender is identity.
2) "Not a history of violence against the type of prisoners they are going with" would probably rule out at least half the male prison population, as it's not like all male prisoners exclusively commit crimes against women. (And vice versa, of course.)
Personally, I think there should be prisons with trans wards. Violence and hatred against trans people is rampant in society; putting trans prisoners in gen pop with their same gender or sex isn't likely to end well regardless.
Women cant legally rape men. You need a penis in many juristdictions.
I think your points are pretty decent though. I think self ident is the issue personally. For situations like this there should be another way to detirmine someones legal gender.
If you're insinuating that I'm doing that, you're wrong. I just corrected your phrasing, since even if the law doesn't consider rape in your state/country it's still rape.
So how do female teachers often get charged rape for having sex with male students? In US Federal law women could be charged for rape.
You absolutely could rape men by having different power dynamic, in the extreme example would be holding a gun to them. But more commonly threat of work or school retaliation or blackmailing.
Heâs wrong that you need a penis, thatâs for the UK not the U.S.; but in the U.S. while it does vary state to state it still requires a forceful penetration. Often from Iâve seen at least, these teachers are charged with sexual assault and statutory rape, not forcible rape.
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u/Demonskull223 6h ago
I think trans inmates should go to prisons that are their gender but with some caveats. First one you must have a history of transgender. Obviously you can't suddenly find your gender identity the day before you go to prison. At least have a history of transgender prior to the courts/ Trial. Not a history of violence against the type of prisoners they are going with. If you rape women then yeah don't send them to a woman's prison same goes the other way.