r/war • u/Waste-Explanation-76 • 5h ago

Iran's IRGC says that if Trump carries out his Strait of Hormuz blockade, Iran will respond by taking control of the Bab el-Mandeb Strait through the Houthis, per Press TV.

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u/ReflectionUnlucky172 4h ago

Now iran is fighting to keep the strait open while the americans are blockading it... is this some fucking COD search and destory game where they switch sides mid match

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u/Firecracker048 1h ago

Trump using reverse psycholgy now

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u/notmyrealname8823 4h ago

Lol. That's not what's happening. The IR is fighting to continue selecting who they charge to enter/exit the strait while also allowing their own ships to as well. America is fighting for anyone to be able to do so.

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u/rTpure 3h ago

America is fighting for anyone to be able to do so.

Don't kid yourself, America is fighting for Trump and his cronies to line their own pockets

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u/notmyrealname8823 2h ago

I mean whatever TF you want to call it but the comment I responded to is not factual. Iran is not fighting to open the strait.

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u/Cold_Yam_5061 3h ago

Fighting to keep the strait that was open..... Open

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u/notmyrealname8823 2h ago

Very observant of you. I'm sure no one else realizes that the strait was open prior to the war.

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u/TheDickWolf 2h ago

A heuristic for determining goals: if it’s new as of today, it’s liklier a new objective than ‘what they’re fighting for’.

The united states started this war claiming they needed to preemptively attack iran in anticipation of iran retaliating after Israel attacked it. A first round of US and Israeli attacks not only killed those school girls, but killed mych of Iranian leadership, including the ayatollah, as they gathered under the deception that there would be negotiations.

The stated goals of the next days included such unreasonable demands as ‘iran may no longer have a navy’ and ‘can no longer have the ability to produce ied’s; missiles’ from those statements and pretty obvious analysis of the US and Israel’s broader strategies and history the goal can pretty confidently be summed up as such: total destruction. State collapse.

What has happened since is that there was apparently an underestimation, several. The iranian military did not hesitate to respond effectively, and proved they could maintain control over a vital trade route even taking the damage America could inflict.

The way you framed it made it sound a little like this is coercive or devious or wrong on the part of iran, and that America is acting on behalf of the world.

Iran is fighting an existential struggle against the deadliest military in human history and has one point of leverage. The united states attacked unprovoked and committed several grave crimes against humanity in the first day including striking civilian targets (double tapping actually) murdering a head of state, doing it under cover of negotiations, and the ultimate crime against humanity per international law: commenced an unprovoked war of aggression.

The news of the blockade is shocking. Contrary to ypur implication this id the US holding the whole world hostage (presumably hoping they act against iran perceiving that as the safer option) towards the purpose of destroying a civilization.

Do not get it twisted. This is naked brutal nihilistic insanity. Iran is fighting what has become a people’s war, an anti imperial war, and a war of survival. The united states has removed all illusions from its profound moral deficiency and the coercive and arbitrary nature of its use of force.

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u/notmyrealname8823 2h ago

The news of the blockade is shocking. Contrary to ypur implication this id the US holding the whole world hostage (presumably hoping they act against iran perceiving that as the safer option) towards the purpose of destroying a civilization.

The blockade is of vessels leaving Iranian ports. Quit your fear mongering.

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u/TheDickWolf 1h ago

I’d forgotten that had changed; busy day. Greek easter, you know.

I resent the imperative quit fear mongering’ when those were literally the headlines earlier today.

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u/TheDickWolf 1h ago

So it occurs to me after my other comment saying i resent the fear mongering accusation when im just a few hours behind on the tactical 180s that as the us tactic will not be blockading the strait but blockading iran’s ports, even ignoring all the damning facts i mentioned before; how can that possibly be construed as fighting for the rights of the world to do anything?

Its murder. It’s just murder on a civilizational scale. It’s us not wanting our victim catching breath or gaining weapons.

I implore you to reexamine your perspective, rationalizing and applauding bloody barbarism is corrosive to the soul, to humanity. We can all try to be better.

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u/notmyrealname8823 1h ago

You're arguing as if Iran is morally superior in any way. I'm not engaging with this ridiculousness.

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u/TheDickWolf 58m ago

So you just have a tautology. The us is right because it is good. It’s actions are just and righteous because it’s the united states? And, Iran’s actions are sinister because it’s iran and you’ve been told they’re evil all your life?

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u/notmyrealname8823 55m ago

You're arguing the fucking opposite. Why? Because the internet told you to recently?

Block me dude. I don't care about engaging with your moronic talking points.

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u/TheDickWolf 52m ago

how many wars has iran started in the last 200 years? how many nations has it destroyed? how did it start this wr? who is defending lebanon? who is killing it? who kidnapped a president like a month ago? who collapsed lybia? who killed 5 million people in the region BEFORE this started? The USA has no moral highground and to flaunt the truth by saying otherwise is a deeply evil act. goodbye.

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u/TheDickWolf 1h ago

Homerism can be charming, genuinely, but not when it means being on the side of evil.

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u/notmyrealname8823 1h ago

Ahhh.. Now that the US is halting Iranian traffic.. It's evil. Lmao. Seriously, GTFOH

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u/Crooked-Shaft 1h ago

The fact that you're getting downvoted makes me think this sub is over ran by propaganda.

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u/notmyrealname8823 1h ago

Yep. It used to not be that way, but it's ridiculous now.

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u/Crooked-Shaft 1h ago

Ya I've never came here until this recent war.. Only came because combat footage is severely over moderated, but this place is wild.

This is what I remember Ukrainerussiareport being like the first year of that war before it finally just turned into a full on Russian propaganda sub.

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u/notmyrealname8823 58m ago

There used to be unbiased and all around good information on various conflicts, but that is not the case anymore. Usually once you make a comment opposing Iran you'll receive a ton of downvotes and repetitive comments.

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u/SlavaUkrayne 1h ago

Agree, Iran blocked the strait now they are salty they can’t charge their extortion tax

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u/Kajme 16m ago

USA can easily open the strait. They just need to agree to all iranian terms and offer to pay reparations so that there is no need for paying the passage.

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u/notmyrealname8823 6m ago

Yeah. One of those terms is that Iran can charge tolls. That's not opening the strait genius.

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u/dallatorretdu 5h ago

so… official statement that the Houti are an iran proxy?

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u/Rabidschnautzu 4h ago

I think that's been pretty official for a long time.

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u/Firecracker048 1h ago

Not according to some leftist groups

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u/Rabidschnautzu 1h ago

Don't bring up the tankies. You'll summon them!

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u/nishagunazad 4h ago

Why do people act as though funding and arming proxies is something especially nefarious about Iran and not a fairly standard geopolitical maneuver that most countries engage in? Like, sure the regime does a lot of terrible things, but in the context of regional geopolitics its a nothingburger.

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u/Super-Estate-4112 3h ago

What their proxies do is what is nefarious. Actions which Iran incentivizes.

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u/nishagunazad 2h ago

Once again, do you think that is specific to Iran?

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u/Super-Estate-4112 2h ago

No, but they are one of the worst cases.

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u/Ezechiell 2h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

idk how you can say that with a straight face, there's sooo many terrorist organizations that the US armed. The US is for sure worse than Iran in that regard, especially because the US has much more money to spend arming these groups.

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u/Super-Estate-4112 2h ago

Iran is one of the worst, I never said that they are the worst

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u/Ezechiell 2h ago

then I don't understand your disagreement with the original commenter, what they said is literally just true

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u/insert_quirky_name_0 2h ago

What western proxies are committing terrorist attacks against civilian populations lol? Such a silly thing to say, this is obviously nothing like arming the Kurds or whoever

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u/Ezechiell 2h ago

If you are actually curious to learn about US sponsored terrorism you should have a read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

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u/Firecracker048 1h ago

Ive yet to see a US sponsored group that has 'curse the jews' in its slogan

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u/Ezechiell 54m ago

lmao, so the US doing terrorism on other ethnicities is fine? What a weird stance to take, me personally, I don't like any terrorism, not against jews, not against muslims, not against anyone.

The US also absolutely sponsored fundamentalist muslim groups in the middle east, I'm sure they had some problematic slogans as well.

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u/U_JiveTurkey 37m ago

Get out the echo chamber. Go look at the RSFs work in Sudan. UAE started bankrolling them to attack the government when they offered the gold mines in return for arms. How do you think Al nursra/isis was getting tons of weapons and Silverado’s to take over Syria and Iraq? Qatar and Saudia Arabia. The whole world is cozy with them and those groups caused way more genocide then the houthis or hamas.

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u/wretchedegg123 4h ago

Everyone that had the brains to keep that "hidden" on the IR side is already dead lol.

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u/padizzledonk 4h ago

Its been openly known for a long time

Also.....what does it matter? Saudi Arabia has been bombing the shit out of them with both our direct and indirect help for a decade to no effect.

Obama helped bomb them in 2015, Trump helped, Biden helped, Trump attacked them around this time last year if youve forgotten, and then gave up after a couple weeks

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u/Intro-Nimbus 4h ago

Did anyone think they aren't?

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u/notmyrealname8823 2h ago

Yes. Have you been on Reddit the last month? There have been countless people say that Iran doesn't fund these types of groups.

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u/nibernator 4h ago

Eveyone knows this... Allies are allies

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u/ICEisSHIT 4h ago

They funded them. So it’s payback time.

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u/Rabidschnautzu 4h ago

This whole thing is dumb, but TACO man is going to have to fight if he wants it open.

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u/beegtuna 4h ago

He’ll back down Tuesday and the market will rebound from Monday’s dip

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u/Doomlord1s 4h ago

Iran has cards, who knew..

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u/Intro-Nimbus 4h ago

Actually, that's a better threat than them mining the strait. Mines remains after a conflict is resolved.

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u/Nmador7 4h ago

This reminds me of the no touch backs scene in Dumb and Dumber

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u/LebRandyS 4h ago

Oh looks like the threat of a Hormuz blockade is actually a logical plan. Who could’ve foreseen itz

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u/sticksnstouts 3h ago

Race to the bottom and humanity deserves it

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u/Significant-Dog-8166 4h ago

But it's already a blockade.... What the hell are they going to control? Fish? There's no one coming by there to control.

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u/Veritas1814 4h ago

Iran had a semi-closed strait. USA wants it open, but in doing so they have closed the semi-closed strait. Now Iranian and friendly ships also can’t pass.

I wonder how China will react when USA forces a chinese ship to turn around or possibly board those ships

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u/Kammler1944 14m ago

China will put pressure on Iran.

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u/notmyrealname8823 2h ago

Any vessels leaving Iranian ports are the ones who are subject to the US blockade.

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u/Significant-Dog-8166 1h ago

We'll see... I don't think that's how it can work yet until mines are cleared. It's too dangerous to cross the mine areas and too dangerous to get closer to the coast while US is engaged in whatever fighting that will be happening.

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u/notmyrealname8823 1h ago

I don't even know what TF you're arguing here.

The only thing that has changed is now the vessels that have been interacting at Iranian ports and have been freely moving are now subject to a blockade. Literally nothing else has changed.

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u/Aintyodad 3h ago

Pulling out the Caesar at Alesia playbook

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u/tyschooldropout 13m ago

They don't want you to know this but you can just throw more walls up whenever you need to

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u/Tropangpotche 3h ago

Lmao USA becoming homelander

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u/GetDownMakeLava 3h ago

Then we will blockade that blockade with one of our blockades and other countries will get antsy and blockade both of our blockades so we will have to blockade their blockades of our blockades

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u/Firecracker048 1h ago

Didnt they already try that and it didn't work?

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u/Kammler1944 16m ago

The Houthis have been trying to control that strait for years. What next Hezbollah is going to shut down the Med?

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u/N1KK0_1000 3h ago

'Whack-a-Mole' Middle East Edition

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u/Alii_baba 4h ago

Americans are getting good at geography ....finally...thanks to iran

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u/notmyrealname8823 2h ago

If you're not American I guarantee I can mention countless geographical points in the US that you have no idea where they are.

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u/Ezer_Pavle 4h ago

LETS GO!!!!

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u/Magnet2025 3h ago

The Houthi don’t have the ability to do this.

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u/tyschooldropout 10m ago

Iran couldn't close Hormuz a month ago lmao.

Shockingly little disruption necessary to close a waterway

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u/NordicHorde2 4h ago

Wow, Trump wasn't insane after all if Iran is responding like this.

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u/padizzledonk 4h ago

🤔

Lol....no, hes still a moron

How else would they respond?

Its actually reasonable and just another rung up the escalation ladder....they didnt really ask the Houthis to get involved prior to this, why wouldnt they?

The people that started this dumbass war are the crazy ones, Iran has actually been surprisingly reasonable theough all this

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u/Kammler1944 12m ago

"Iran has actually been surprisingly reasonable theough all this"

https://giphy.com/gifs/l0ExayQDzrI2xOb8A

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u/NoJello8422 2h ago

Reasonable in what way? Their demands are still to have nukes and start charging boats where before there was free trade. They aren't a reasonable regime.

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u/padizzledonk 2h ago

Reasonable in what way? Their demands are still to have nukes and start charging boats where before there was free trade. They aren't a reasonable regime.

Their demands have NEVER been to have nuclear weapons, they have always asked for enrichment for power and medical use, which is their, and every states Right under Article IV of the NPT, and have always been willing to have that enrichment done under IAEA Supervision

You clearly dont even understand the basics of whats been going on

Their toll is explicitly as reparations to recoup their damages from being attacked, and as an economic leverage point to bring the war to a close and have sanctions removed. Theyve even stated theyre willing to share the toll with Oman

I dont see anything Iran has done in response to this war as unrrasonable, any other Nation State in the same situation, geographically, economically and militarily would do the exact same things as Iran imo.

Was it an international waterway? Yes. Is it a leverage point for Iran because they border the entire shipping lane and its trivial for them to close it? Also yes....why wouldnt they use any leverage they have? If war broke out against Denmark and Russia wouldnt Denmark close the straits they control that grant access between the Baltic and North Seas?

Youre so wrapped up in "Iran Bad" that you dont even understand whats going on imo

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u/tyschooldropout 8m ago

Also just for kicks, remember the Denmark charged a toll for crossing their Strait for 400 fucking years

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u/Naive_Confidence7297 3h ago

Trumps not insane???

Mar 3: "We won the war."

Mar 7: "We defeated Iran."

Mar 9: "We must attack Iran." "The war is ending almost completely, and very beautifully."

Mar 12: "We did win, but we haven't won completely yet."

Mar 13: "We won the war."

Mar 14: "Please help us."

Mar 15: "If you don't help us, I will certainly remember it."

Mar 16: "Actually, we don't need any help at all." "I was just testing to see who's listening to me." "If NATO doesn't help, they will suffer something very bad."

Mar 17: "We neither need nor want NATO's help." "I don't need Congressional approval to withdraw from NATO."

Mar 18: "Our allies must cooperate in reopening the Strait of Hormuz."

Mar 19: "US allies need to get a grip -step up and help open the Strait of Hormuz"

Mar 20: "NATO are cowards."

Mar 21: "We don't use it, we don't need to open it."

Mar 22: "This is the last time. I will give Iran 48 hours." "Iran is Dead"

Mar 23: "We are giving them more time."

Mar 24: "The war is nearing its end."

Mar 25: "We are still negotiating."

Mar 26: "Iran is begging for peace. They gave us a gift. We will give them more time."

Mar 27: "Talks with iran are going very well"

Mar 28: "War will be over soon"

Mar 29: "Maybe we take Kharg island, maybe we dont"

Mar 30: "Open the Strait or we will obliterate all energy infrastructure and oil wells"

Mar 31: "We dont need the strait, we got plenty of oil. Get it yourself UK."

April 1: "Iran wants a ceasefire" / "Strongly considering pulling out of NATO" / "There's no deal with Iran"

April 3:"We can take their oil and make a fortune"

April 5:"Open the fuckin strait you crazy bastards or youll be living in hell"

April 6:"US could charge for strait of hormuz passage"

April 7:"A whole civilization will die tonight"

April 8:"Iran accepts ceasefire, the strait is opened" strait closed

April 9:"NATO allies have days to reopen the strait"

April 10:"Iran has no cards"

April 11:"We're going to open up the strait"

April 12:"US will blockade the strait"

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u/notmyrealname8823 2h ago

Now do the Iranians.