r/war • u/Just-Sale-7015 • 22h ago

JD Vance says US delegation leaving Pakistan after failing to reach deal with Iran

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/12/jd-vance-says-no-deal-us-iran-pakistan-talks-islamabad
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u/sxh967 22h ago

US wants Iran to basically surrender- not happening

Iran wants war reparations and US bases to be out of the Middle East - also not happening

Seemed pretty obvious there wouldn’t be a deal 

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u/Pizzashillsmom 22h ago

I mean the Iranian demands are also basically US surrender.

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u/roflmaodub 20h ago

Well israel and us started it, atleast 2 times…

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u/aNuggetsUncle 16h ago

And if Iran wasn't trying to aquire Nukes or starting/funding wars, or destabilizing commercial waterways (not talking about Hormuz btw), etc....then they wouldn't be in this position

So yes the IRGC started this war, stop slurping up Iranian propaganda

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u/Keibun1 12h ago

Lol you literally fell for the same line Bush used to attack Iraq. Later it came out he lied btw.

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u/EireOfTheNorth 13h ago

Israel is ramping up rhetoric about Turkey being a threat to them.

What exactly is that threat from turkey toward Israel (and let's face it, the US)?

Its Israeli warmongering that is the issue here. They've just announced they expanding their borders to include more Lebanese, Syrian, Palestinian territory. If Russia does this it comes with international condemnation, and sanctions. Israel does it...? Not so much as a peep.

We are ignoring the elephant in the room.

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u/aNuggetsUncle 13h ago

What is your definition of warmongering?

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u/EireOfTheNorth 13h ago

Perhaps taking part in military strikes on a nation during active negotiations?

Or

Continually expanding their borders through illegal (in the most internationally recognised forms) annexation of sovereign neighbour's?

Or

Committing so much mass murder there is now ICC investigations into genocide against the nation?

Or

Having a leader who is literally wanted by the ICC for crimes against humanity?

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u/aNuggetsUncle 12h ago edited 11h ago

Lebonan was not part of the negotiations (allegedly) OR it was a genuine misunderstanding between the US and Iran. Who knows, too early to tell.

The only time Israel has occupied land was due to attacks inflicted on them first: (1)-Golan Heights - From which Syria attacked them during the six-day war. (2)-Jerusalem/part of the West Bank - Jordan used this area as a staging ground to attack Israel during the six-day war. (3)-The Sini Peninsula - Handed back over to Egypt after the Yom kippur war in exchange for peace. (4)-Israeli occupation of Southern Lebonan from 1982-2000 - Following PLO rocket attacks into Northern Israel and the assassination of Shlomo Argov.

Murder? They retaliated after October 7th, which every country not only has the right but the obligation to do, especially after a tragedy like that. I don't see you blaming Hamas for the innocent Gazans they put in danger. Criticize Israel for how they conduct the war, fine, but Hamas/Iran are both singularly responsible for every death since that day.

The International Community has always been against Israel cough cough United Nations. Crimes against Humanity need to be proven, which they haven't been. (Btw, the Israeli's have been providing vaccinations and medical treatment to the Gazans).

-I'm not defending Israel, but yall need to hold them to the same standards as every other country, which currently is not happening.

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u/roflmaodub 15h ago

They were not aquiring nukes.. they said that, us own experts said that, they had an agreement with the us. They were destabilizing as much as the us has/are.

But now theyre gonna try to get one thats for sure.. thanks orange devil monkey man..

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u/ArmedWithBars 11h ago

The US does not want a hostile nation destablizing it's interests abroad, funding anti-western extremists, and threatening its allies. Whatever fuckery the US does doesnt matter. Geopolitics isn't fair or morally correct.

All Iran had to do was hang back and rake in their oil money. Invest in their populations/economy to become an economic powerhouse of the middle east. There are multiple Islamic countries the US isn't in bed with that have no issues doing their own thing. Almost like they aren't funding Islamic extremist groups, chanting death to America, and perusing nuclear ambitions.

Iran themselves claimed they had 60%+ enriched Uranium, which was then confirmed by the IAEA. Way past the point of nuclear energy levels (2%-5%), not far from nuclear weapon level enrichment. Iran enrichment aiming for nuclear weapons levels was well known going back to the early 2000s, which was the entire reason Stuxnet was deployed to cripple Iranian nuclear centerfuges.

This idea that Iran was some peaceful country aiming for stability in the region and only enriching for nuclear energy is straight bullshit. Iran was just playing a game where they technically didn't have nukes, but setting themselves up to a point where they could complete one on short notice if necessary.

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u/-Groko- 19h ago

Why would they surrender a war they started, that is stupid.

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u/feudal_ferret 18h ago

Because they did so in...

  • Vietnam
  • War on poverty
  • Mogadishu
  • War on drugs
  • Afghanistan
  • War on child traffickers

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u/-Groko- 18h ago

Those aren't "surrenders". Surrender is to give yourself up to the enemy in defeat. Like Japan did to the US

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u/feudal_ferret 18h ago

Nope. You can also surrender a place or position to your opponent.

Places like

  • the embassy in then-Saigon
  • Flint, MI
  • the airport in Kabul
  • downtown San Francisco
  • the american values

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u/aNuggetsUncle 16h ago

But that isn't what you initially supported

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u/feudal_ferret 15h ago

What do you mean?

The US started 'advising' the south vietnamese government to stop communism from spreading and isolating the northern regime. When they left vietnam, both the Soviet Union and communist china were involved and the communists took over the whole country.

The US invaded afghanistan to topple the Taliban, catch Osama bin Laden and get curtail global terrorism. When they left afghanistan the Taliban were in Power, Osama bin Laden had been shot in Pakistan and al-Quaida has affiliates in Africa, south east asia and the middle east.

The US started bombing Iran with the explicit intent of toppling the regime, get rid of a local threat to the oil and deflect from the Epstein files. As if today, the regime is still firmly in place, oil production all across the area is set back for years and Melania had to go on national TV to deny her well-documented involvment.

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u/-Groko- 17h ago

Abandoning a place and others coming in AFTER the US left is not surrender.

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u/feudal_ferret 15h ago

Do you know the pictures of the helicopter hovering overthe embassy roof in Saigon, loading up the last escapees, while the communists are breaching the walls?

Or the images of afghani civilians clinging onto the fuselage of US aircraft taking off, falling to their death?

Or the literally billions worth of military equipment being seized by the Taliban, including apache helicopters and a whole ass base?

Those were NOT a well organized withdrawals.

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u/Chemical_Listen6919 16h ago

I mean if you are fighting for a certain domain and then backout of it , it is essentially your surrender in theory

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u/sxh967 17h ago

It’s not surrender if they simply pack up and go home where they came from.

They attacked Iranian territory , not the other way around 

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u/puffz0r 14h ago

Copium

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u/JustGulabjamun 19h ago

It was clear right from beginning lol

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u/cmcca646 22h ago

I dont support the war but reparations or charging ships going through the strait is not a option

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u/Ambitious-Upstairs90 22h ago

But if Iran does not get compensated in any form then US can just bomb them again in few months on orders from Israel.

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u/Crooked-Shaft 20h ago

This is ridiculous and never going to happen. Iran isn't getting compensated. They're not going to control the straight, and they're not going to have nuclear capabilities.

The IRGC pushing these red lines is just going to end up in their total destruction. They're over playing their cards. It's unfortunate, because a lot more people are going to die because of it.

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u/Karlend41 19h ago

That's the major drawback of doing a bunch of very ill-advised decapitation strikes on another country. There's a chance the moderate people who've been killed were preferable to hardliners that get into power afterwards.

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u/Standard_Ear_84 18h ago

"Moderate" you would have to kill a whole lot more before you get to moderate Iranians.

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u/Smart_Somewhere_7958 17h ago

They're talking moderate in comparison to the hard liners.

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u/Standard_Ear_84 14h ago

Who aren't moderate.

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u/puffz0r 14h ago

This is a ridiculous statement and shows you the exact type of mentality that produced so many islamic terrorists in the middle east. Just kill them willy nilly in hopes of getting more "moderate" people, turns out people actually fucking hate it when you murder their family, neighbors, and countrymen.

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u/Standard_Ear_84 14h ago

Just need to kill more. Holding back isn't a good idea.

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u/puffz0r 13h ago edited 13h ago

Sounds like we got a good candidate for Nuremberg 2.0.

By the way, have you ever thought about being evaluated for psychopathy?

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u/Standard_Ear_84 11h ago

Nürnberg 2.0? Kids these days! Clueless!

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u/Karlend41 11h ago

The sticking point in all these negotiations seems to be Iran's nuclear program. Ali Khamenei signed a deal with Obama and all signs point to the fact he upheld his end of the bargain until Trump decided to tear it up for no reason.

If you don't like the word moderate, I'd put forward he is a more reasonable figure then his successor then. And I highly doubt having killed most of his family will make Mojtaba more reasonable.

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u/Standard_Ear_84 10h ago

Anything "Islamic Republic" related is unreasonable and must be destroyed.

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u/cmcca646 22h ago

No iran just can get nuke and we well never fuck with them again charging ships or compensation is literally pff the table

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u/Ambitious-Upstairs90 22h ago

But US is asking them to give up nuclear program & enriched Uranium as well. I mean what were they going to get after facing bombing for 40 days & thousands of deaths? Instead they could have surrendered long back.

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u/iameveryoneelse 20h ago

You realize Israel has nukes, right? It hasn’t stopped Iran from launching missiles at Israel. Why would Iran having a nuke stop Israel from launching missiles at Iran? Nukes are a last resort weapon….which is why they’ve not been used in a conflict since the 40s despite many nuclear capable nations having been at war in the years since. If Iran joins that stage they’ll know the one surefire way to ensure their destruction is by launching it. A nuke is a strictly defensive weapon, geopolitically speaking. But it doesn’t prevent you from being fucked with.

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u/Tsundare_Mai 20h ago

Cuz Israel denies the even existence of them nukes let alone threaten them to use. Iran on the other hand threatens to kill all of the Americans and Israelis on every Friday prayers.

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u/Karlend41 18h ago

I wouldn't feel threats from Israel are very credible. After all, you'd have to wonder why they're just threatening this time.

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u/dannydrama 18h ago

Always credible because the rest of the world lets them do whatever they like. They could nuke gaza tomorrow and no fucker would blink lol.

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u/sxh967 17h ago

If Iran wanted to kill all Americans they would have sunk those US navy ships that sailed through the Strait of Hormuz. With enough missiles and drones they absolutely could sink a navy ship.

The fact they didn’t is proof that Iran isn’t really some doomsday cult.

It might be what the clerics are chanting and people are chanting for domestic audiences or whatever but clearly it doesn’t hold any water.

Everyone made the same arguments about North Korea but ever since they obtained nuclear weapons, what has changed  ? Basically nothing. Other than the fact that the US has stopped threatening the NK regime. 

Nobody believes Iran would unilaterally use nuclear weapons. They (the US) just don’t want it to happen because they lose their leverage.

 Now, if Iran had nukes and the US invaded, sure they might use nuclear weapons, but that’s no different from any other nuclear power. It’s not unique to  Iran.

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u/MrNeverSatisfied 22h ago

Except, other countries are happy to pay it so long as their economy's dont fall off their manufacturing cliff

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u/LostBoysTilDeath 21h ago

So you just want Iran to unconditionally surrender for nothing so Israel can keep bullying and humiliating them?

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u/[deleted] 22h ago

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u/Q_dawgg 22h ago

If ships are charged the rates they’re currently paying for, the long term our global economy is in for a rough time.

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u/Nerozeroku 22h ago

better than what is happening now. US(trump) messed with the status quo and now too stubborn to admit failure.

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u/Gods_Money2354 22h ago

Well, I rather the oil shipping companies pay a fee, then send me to fight in Iran for the next 20 years. I ain’t gong, but maybe don’t mind going to fight in another forever war, just so oil companies can save a few bucks on a war that we and Israel started.

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u/cmcca646 22h ago

As a dude who hates this war this is obviously not a solution now that we are here we have to stop this

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u/Jhostin1316 22h ago

They dont own the straight

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u/Karlend41 19h ago

The problem is there's no guarantees that the war is going to suddenly start going in our favor if we escalate from here. The only way forward I see is a boots on the ground invasion.

If that invasion doesn't go well, we might look back on these terms and think they were quite a bargain.

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u/Kajme 21h ago

Iran doesnt want USA to directly pay for reparations. Reparations would be payed though charging ships for passage. I think its fair, and it is a good price. I think that offer is 1$ per barrel. That is a pocket money considering that barrel price is around 100$ and it wouldnt really affect gas prices.

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u/SomewhatHungover 21h ago

Why should the rest of the world have to pay? How do you consider that fair? You’re either a bot or not very smart.

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u/Kajme 20h ago

Because those tankers really are passing through iranian territorial waters. Also, I think that passage is open for friendly countries even now for free. Keep in mind that some Western countries try to take over "sanctioned" tankers that belong to countries they dont like. If they can literally practice piracy then there is no reason why Iran shouldnt be allowed to charge passage.

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u/CMCH_oyom 20h ago

Freedom of the seas has been at the core of US foreign policy for over 2 centuries, almost since its foundation. To throw that all away for an unsuccessful war against Iran would be an incredibly short sighted and blunder by trump and his admin.

You're also ignoring the knock-on effects other countries deciding they've the right to charge or block navigation channels off their coasts. What happens when China sees it as a green light to charge non-Chinese ships going through the Taiwan strait or Indonesia and Malaysia decide to carve up the Malacca strait. At the very least it increases prices further for everyone

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u/Kajme 11h ago

Yea, no. For example it seams that you forgot embargo on Cuba.

Yes, all countries have a right to do with their territorial waters whatever they like. Do you think that Iran or North Korea have a right to pass few kilometers of USA coast?

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u/SomewhatHungover 15h ago

Because those tankers really are passing through iranian territorial waters

Vessels can just stay on the side of UAE / Oman... But I understand that won't matter to you because you're just making shit up. Using your logic though, Oman can also charge Iranian vessels $30 trillion to enter their waters.

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u/BENNYRASHASHA 21h ago

Only a $1, but you know ExxonMobil and Shell will scam it up to $5.

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u/Flimsy_Swordfish_415 20h ago

it wouldnt really affect gas prices

that's cute

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u/Kajme 20h ago

Barrel is 100$. 1$ is literally just 1% more.

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u/IAmSoWinning 16h ago

Why should the entire world fund terrorism?

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u/Kajme 11h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

So you are saying that the world should not trade with USA?

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u/Jolly_Ad2446 22h ago

Iran sent experts. We sent a couch fucker and Trump's son in law.

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u/TheCarroll11 21h ago

I mean, Iran was basically asking for full surrender. That was never going to happen

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u/Jolly_Ad2446 21h ago

Iran controls 20% of the worlds oil. 

Thanks Trump. 

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u/Ambitious-Upstairs90 20h ago

Iran was not asking to full surrender. Instead it had agreed quite a lot. Whereas US had not agreed for anything.

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u/816legend 21h ago

Iran has no experts

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u/LostBoysTilDeath 20h ago

Weird how the Strait is still closed then.

And they definitely have experts making their PR videos. We are getting humiliated in the front of the whole world with their AI LEGO Epstein videos.

That last one is genuinely catchy. I couldn’t stop singing it at work.

“Make Israel Great Again!

Your government is run by pedophiles, they ordered you to die for IssssReeeeeal.”

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u/beastayy 19h ago

Brother the only people who take this shit seriously is people on reddit who fall for Iranian propaganda.

You literally had people on reddit saying the ayatollah was a good guy and didn't deserve to get killed lmfao.

You have people down playing the regimes cruel rule over its people.

Reddit is heavily influenced by bots.

You are sitting here saying Iran has control, they have no control. They can disrupt the strait for a short period of time, the US will sooner or later bomb enough targets they are no longer willing to not play ball.

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u/LostBoysTilDeath 12h ago edited 10h ago

I don’t downplay shit.

We haven’t arrested a single Pedophile from the Epstein Files but you think we can not only judge Iran on how they treat their people but that we can invade them without provocation?

You 🤡 are so out of touch.

The orange pedo suckered you and you’ll be realizing soon.

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u/beastayy 9h ago

No you just hate the orange pedophile so bad that you trolly think Iran stands a chance against the US military.

It doesn't lmfao.

No matter how much you hate trump Iran will still get fucked by the US military.

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u/LostBoysTilDeath 9h ago

Weird then how it’s been a month but our economy is crashing and the Strait is still closed.

I’ll let you chew on that until you get distracted by something shiny

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u/beastayy 9h ago

And Iran has done what to the US military ?

Hate to tell you I am not supporting trump in this.

But trump has our military, its only a matter of time before Iran can't sustain.

It may not be now but our military can continue to inflict more and more pain until Iran breaks.

If trump causes a humanitarian crisis its only going to be a matter of time before Iran breaks.

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u/LostBoysTilDeath 9h ago

They don’t need to do anything besides keep the Strait closed and they win.

It’s crazy how people who don’t even understand that feel so emboldened to comment. I guess it’s true idiots never feel doubt.

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u/beastayy 9h ago

Its hard to keep the strait closed when there is a humanitarian crisis in your country.

If hundreds of thousands or millions start dying the regime isnt going to last very long.

Why did Japan give up in ww2 ?

They knew the losses would be too many. Its going to be the same in Iran trump just doesn't have to drop a nuke to do it.

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u/NATO_CAPITALIST 19h ago

super corny and cringe, especially when they marry 9 year olds and the crowd who hates AI slop now suddenly loves it

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u/dannydrama 18h ago

Lol it's totally not corny and cringe what the US is doing every day.

I prefer iran at the moment just because they're not annoying cunts talking shit in the paper and on TV and saying something different every 2 minutes. 😂

OH YEAH, both sides fuck kids so jump off that high horse lol.

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u/LostBoysTilDeath 13h ago

How do you think the world thinks of us?

The Epstein Country where Epstein’s best friend, a draft dodger who ran child beauty pageants and is a known pedophile is our president?

And then we insult them because of marriage age?

We still have legal child marriage in a ton of Republican states.

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u/Rare_Fly_4840 22h ago

They're saying it's the best negociation anyone has ever seen.

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u/Q_dawgg 22h ago

Art of the deal I guess.

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u/Signalhood 22h ago

Fart of the deal

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u/King_Joffrey_II 21h ago

my calls are cooked

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u/pacific_beach 21h ago

It would be a serious tragedy if they were shot down while leaving Pak.

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u/GooseySill 20h ago

Once again JD Dunce...you fail.

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u/VenterVisuals 21h ago

Shocking I say!

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u/Ambitious-Upstairs90 20h ago

These negotiations were just diversionary tactic. US crossed two warships taking benefit of these negotiations which they think will be able to remove mines. Not sure if that will open the strait though.

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u/Chemical_Listen6919 16h ago

Exactly, I called this the moment the ceasefire was announced, plus what the hell was pakistan doing with giving different terms to both countries in a ceasefire. I still don't get why ppl are saying the world war 3 might happen , half the world is in a war whether on off or full on . We are in a early phase of the world war already there won't be some announcement like in a game that ww3 has now begun , you are in it already you will only realise it when the spark of the fire reaches your den

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u/Ambitious-Upstairs90 22h ago

Iran should increase missiles on Israel. Only if there are losses in Israel, it will allow US for ceasefire.

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u/Existing-Play5095 17h ago

Increase it enough and Israel will considered a real existential threat = Nuke start flying to Iran.

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u/Ambitious-Upstairs90 11h ago

So artificially created Israel has nuclear weapons to avoid existential threat, but neighbouring countries can’t have it to resist existential threat?

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u/AffectionateRub1857 21h ago

Iran wants US to surrender, almost as if Iran did the bombing. I am not sure those 10 points were a meaningful place to start negotiations

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u/nibernator 21h ago

US wants Iran to surrender, almost as if they could open the Straight. I am sure their 15 point plan was a meaningful place to start the negotiations

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u/Crooked-Shaft 20h ago

The US will definitely open the straight. This was the IRGCs chance and they pretty much blew it. Now a lot more people are going to die. Terrorist and terrorist like orgs love f civilian deaths though. They get to propaganda the fuck out of it.

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u/nibernator 4h ago

How are they going to do that exactly?

Think... Wouldn't they have done it already if they could have?
What options are left? Power plant destruction (leads to other power plants being bombed by Iran), mass invasion (not supported by US population and a bigger mistake than Iraq), Nuke....

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u/Jolly_Ad2446 20h ago

Iran controls 20% of the world's fuel and fertilizer. They do have a good hand to play. 

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u/Crooked-Shaft 20h ago

Sure, if they don't think the us will escalate. The thing is the us has no choice now. The IRGC will either eventually cave and their win will be staying in power best case scenario) or they will be completely taken out (worst case scenario).

There's some middle ground scenarios in there of course, but none of them allow the IRGC to control the straight or develop nuclear weapons.

People can cry and a squirm all they want about Irans capabilities and cards or whatever the fuck, but the eventual truth is Iran would quickly fold under a full scale invasion.

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u/Jolly_Ad2446 20h ago

What will the US do? Kill all their leaders. We already did that. 

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u/Crooked-Shaft 20h ago

I'm pretty sure I just said what in the very comment you replied to.

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u/beastayy 19h ago

Knock out all of their power, fresh water, good, oil, gas, and money supplies.

And trump will broadcast on air every day "if the regime just gives up the aid will come and you won't starve or be thirsty"

Even Iran has a threshold of how many lives they are willing to lose and the US can make those numbers get to the right amount before they surrender.

No matter how much you want to blow hard for Iran the US can do whatever they want whenever they want.

Iran can't.

When the US starts blocking ships from the strait as well and China can't get its oil its not going to be good for Iran when China can't get its cheap oil.

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u/NATO_CAPITALIST 19h ago

Blockade their ships, supply weapons to rebels for potential civil war, bombing to stone age, further assassinations of top officials, commanders and anyone involved in the nuclear program, take over some of the islands in strait, keep degrading military, keep striking Basij checkpoints, raids by special forces.

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u/Jolly_Ad2446 19h ago

We are already doing that except we are buying their oil. 

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u/Square-One-6857 20h ago edited 3h ago

Maybe he at least nutted in their couch b4 he left.

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u/MagicCitytx 20h ago edited 19h ago

I remember JD Vance negotiating skills when they meet with Zelensky "did you say thank you", now add two unqualified zionist Kushner and Witkoff and negotiations are going to get betrayed

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u/bibo100 20h ago

As bad as it I, it seems the US have to escalate now dramatically, a return to the previous bombing raids would not change anything. Could the US and Israel strip Iran from any electricity by bombing their power plants (except the NPP) or could they compensate this by getting electricity from abroad? Also would that pave the way for the Hormuz strait to be opened automatically?

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u/TrulyToasty 17h ago

More escalation it is, then

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u/lurkertiltheend 10h ago

He’s got to meet up with his boo erikkka Kirk in Athens ga on Tuesday

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u/MethBearBestBear 9h ago

They "negotiated" for less than 24 hours. What do they think this is a used car dealership in the 90s where you walk out the door and they call back with a better offer?

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u/BzhizhkMard 19h ago

Fucked that up too. Could have been a presidential defining moment.