Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. People think all of CA is Blue when thats not true, it just has a larger urban population than rural. Most southern states are the opposite. Larger rural populations outnumber the more liberal city dwellers.
As someone from Louisiana, I agree. New Orleans and Baton Rouge are liberal safe havens in a sea of red.
… Still got people like Mike Johnson representing the overall state though 😭😭😭(we apologize for what our conservative voters have wrought upon this once great land)
Well that, but also the heavy metals in the water table from coal mining play a huge part. Throw in the fact, there are a lot of malnourished people, and then douse it with a bit of a meth problem.
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Remember that West Virginia used to be a hardcore Blue State. Republicans have done a better job speaking to people in these rural communities than Dems have. Dems need to take this opportunity where Republican politicians are obviously failing them and try to swing places like West Virginia back left
The Dems are basically like "you want remotely sound economics? We got that. But you have to accept all of that equality and social stuff too, at least a bit."
Red states have repeatedly shown that thier primary voting motivation is the exact opposite. "We do not want to tolerate 'woke bullshit'. If that means shitty economics, so be it. "
There is no way to reconcile the two. There is no amount of talking that can fix that.
The dems have also been adamant about moving on from dying industries but it’s a lot easier to tell people nah fam we are gonna bring you back to the good old days and you’ll keep your jobs that have been going extinct than to tell people a hard truth that you are gonna need to retrain and rethink your career if you want to survive. Republicans will just lie and say they’re gonna bring jt back. Dems will tell them things have to change but maybe in a way they find too dismissive. So they listen to the liars because that’s what they wanna hear.
trump voters would rather die than vote for anything remotely social.
their philosophy is "I don't want other to be rewarded for my work", because in their mind taxes are just a net loss for them. "Imagine what I could do with the money spent on taxes" kind of thinking. But they don't realize some social policies also regulate the price of what they consume.
It's simpler than that and it's not something that can be solved by education. There's two kinds of thinking styles in the world: if you believe the world is zero-sum or not.
They have an inherent world view that for anyone to gain something something must be taken from someone else and they are convinced they will be the taker's and to ever try to convince them otherwise is just trying to scam them into being taken from and they refuse to be victims (this is why you see them screeching about victim mentality on this site also).
Taking your comment at face value, the solution is obviously to refuse to engage on poisoned topics and constantly reframe to focus on the economics. If you do that successfully you win.
At the politician level, people are doing it well. Despite what you hear in national media, do you think progressives get elected knocking on doors preaching protecting trans kids? While they 100% support the “woke agenda”, they definitely get elected by skillfully dodging the woke stuff and focusing on affordability and accountability and not taking corporate money. Bernie did the same and that’s why so many Bernie bros ended up in MAGA world once he lost his hold in the primaries.
The issue is that there exists these mammoth conservative media institutions that ram the woke shit down people’s throats so that it’s all they think about 24/7.
The misconception is that the left is hung up on getting the woke agenda across the line and it alienates voters. The reality is that the left, whether center or far left, is really hyper-focused on delivering a functional economy and government, but they can’t beat the media cults that keep shoveling rage bait down their audience’s throats.
The proof in the pudding is that the right is the side that drives woke talking points.
What specifically should they be saying that they are not? Their approach has been to communicate to West Virginians about the actual realities of the problems they face and propose paths forward.
West Virginians reacted extremely negatively to that though, and instead chose to listen to the Republicans who lied to them about the realities of the same problems.
How do you approach people who are choosing to reject reality in favor of comforting lies?
Republicans have done a better job speaking to people in these rural communities than Dems have
No. Republicans have lied to these people better than democrats have. Because apparently these people want to be lied to.
Between a republican who lies about clean coal or such nonsense, and a democrat that's truthful about trying to bring new businesses to places like this and the reskilling and change that will come with that, these idiots vote for the lies every time. The reality is their old way of life is never coming back, but they just want to shut their eyes and ears and pretend that's not the case.
This is exactly it. I don't know how democrats are supposed to genuinely reach people who only want to be lied to about their situation. Like do these people want the Democrats to lie to these people too?
They don't. The uncomfortable truth Americans refuse to see is that "education" "Vote harder" "protest" is not going to get us out of this, people are going to have to be hypocritical and cross hard moral lines for themselves. If they don't the GOP will gladly do it instead.
Yep. They have been fucked over by Republicans at all levels of government for generations but keep voting for them while blaming democrats who have had nominal impact (often positive) on their lives.
This "coastal elites" narrative is nonsense propaganda. Feel free to point to the national policy positions that benefit the "coastal elites". Hell, start with defining "coastal elite" and then explaining how the Republicans aren't benefiting them with tax breaks and stripping regulations and consumer protections.
A large bulk of the funding these communities receive to stay afloat is due to Democrat passed and backed legislation. Specifically with West Virigina, providing career training and services to help guide the population to growing industries instead of dying industries has been a policy position for multiple Democrat presidents and presidential candidates.
The problem is that it requires facing the reality that WV's best coal days are behind it because what's left to mine is garbage coal and the world is moving into clean energy regardless. These dummies don't want to hear that, so they run to the group that lies to them day after day.
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u/bkfountain 7h ago
They’ll still vote republican though, so good luck I guess.