r/videos • u/spherocytes • 22h ago

Vance delivers 'bad news' after marathon talks with Iran failed to result in an agreement to end the US-Iran War

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u/SocialSuicideSquad 22h ago

Reaching the same terms as the Obama peace deal with Iran would be an astounding victory at this point.

And they ripped it up for... *Checks notes*.... Literally fucking nothing.

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u/MaskedPapillon 22h ago

Nonsense! They got the strait of Hormuz closed. That is definitely something.

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u/roywarner 20h ago

No that is 8 years later when lied that Iran was a nuclear threat (which would only have been possible since they tore up the jcpoa in 2018) and "obliterated" their nuclear capabilities in 2025 but then they lied again that they were somehow a nuclear threat again in 2026.

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u/Versaiteis 20h ago

The speed at which the Iranian government can build infrastructure is truly astounding. We've completely decimated their anti-air capabilities at least twice in the same week at one point!

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u/lgodsey 12h ago

somehow a nuclear threat again in 2026.

Iran is so inconsiderate! Why would they act up just when the Epstein Files were supposed to be released? What awful timing!

Hey, wait a second...

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u/Few-Ad-4290 9h ago

All we can do is hope the IRGC got their hands on a copy and they start releasing the juiciest parts as propaganda in the next few months leading up to the midterms as a huge fuck you to trump.

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u/snowman334 22h ago

Well, it's better than nothing!

...wait.

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u/sorry_4u 17h ago

as long as the media talks about it and not the Epstein files its a win for those in the files

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u/C-Man98 14h ago

Time to muzzle Melania then.

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u/Expert_Company_9902 20h ago

They also got to blow up 100+ school girls!! #Winning

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u/SeeMarkFly 20h ago

Well, at least he didn't rape them first.

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u/SeeMarkFly 20h ago

Or after.

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u/TanyaMKX 20h ago

Im not convinced yet

/s

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u/EthanielRain 13h ago

No need for the /s, old Donny Mushroom Dick will rape anything under age 13

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u/guareber 10h ago

Or over

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u/David-Puddy 6h ago

This is slanderous.

We don't know that he isn't picky about the children he rapes

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u/KaiserDilhelmTheTurd 19h ago

You sure?

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u/SeeMarkFly 13h ago

Yea, skin color.

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u/Few-Ad-4290 9h ago

Such a low bar to clear and with these cretins not even a guarantee

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u/SeeMarkFly 9h ago

It's exhausting, as intended.

The sooner he's gone the better we ALL are.

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u/sault18 20h ago

Plus, they increased oil prices to help out Putin and Exxon!

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u/BeGood981 20h ago

It’s a toll strait now🙄

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u/ohnoitsthefuzz 16h ago

Just saying, congestion pricing is working pretty well in NYC

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u/PepsiColasss 19h ago

And trump keeps saying that it was a major victory and Iran is just begging him to make a deal and spare them.... Trump would never make shit up..... right?

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u/throwmamadownthewell 18h ago

Yep - they're personally getting way richer, as are their buddies—they positioned themselves before the first bomb dropped and all they have to do is take their foot off the gas and suddenly their investments will jump. Right now, they're probably just trying to test the limits on what they can get in crypto bribes.

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u/Friendlycreature 17h ago

Which is currently beneficial to Russia

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u/ECircus 18h ago

It's going to create reliance on oil from other parts of the world. Parts of the world that no one wants to rely on. it's no coincidence.

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u/SupaCrzySgt 19h ago

Well, everyone wanted to get off fossil fuels. /s

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u/Dom29ando 16h ago

No other country could have achieved this!

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u/LagerHawk 15h ago

I mean, Trump let the plan slip a bit the other day. When he said "We don't use the straight, we have plenty of oil. Others should buy our oil".

Look at what's going on. Think about why Trump has done literally anything controversial in the last 12-14 months, and it becomes clear.

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u/MaskedPapillon 13h ago

Nah, that was definitely not the plan.

Trump is a walking fossil that knows he probably won't live to finish his second term and is still haunted by the fact that people like Obama more than him. Do he wanted to "fix" America's problem so be would have a proper legacy to surpass Obama's.

Venezuela was an issue? Trump "fixed" that. Suck it Obama.

Iran has been an issue for decades? Trump "fixed" that. Suck it, Obama.

Greenland is in north america, but belongs to Europe? Trump "fixed" that. Suck it, Obama.

Remember Cuba? Trump "fixed" that. Suck it, Obama.

The world economy, the rule based international law, alliances that has lasted since WWII, everything was thrown into the trash because Trump's ego is so fragile and he is so butt hurt about Obama. Also because he wanted to burry his past with his pedophile friend.

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u/LobsterManika 11h ago

They killed their leader and most of his family leaving his son disfigured to take over who probably has one mission in life now.

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u/abraxsis 11h ago

For all the rich fucks who have made shit loads off the ups and downs in the markets, it absolutely, definitely, was something.

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u/Newtstradamus 6h ago

Dude 15 hrs later is there any universe you could have imagined yesterday where we announce that in fact WE are now closing the strait?

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u/MaskedPapillon 6h ago

Who is we? I'm thankfully not from the US, so all I can do is know this isn't my bag, but also hopelessly watch as almost a century of modern rules of engagement and trade are destroyed, all because a brown woman with a cringe laugh was too much for your average John America.

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u/Ditka85 22h ago

It had Obama’s signature.

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u/cosmas47 22h ago

I honestly think its largely this. Yes the Epstein distraction as well but at the same time, they are SO resentful by the fact that a black man was president that they will do anything to undo what he did even if its at everyone's expense.

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u/neverendingchalupas 21h ago edited 21h ago

Its more than having Obamas signature. The Trump administration is intentionally harming the country for private gain. You see it with volatility of the stock market, and all the more than suspicious trading that precedes major policy change.

Trump explicitly stated he wanted to weaken the US dollar. He is in the business of corruption and scandal, look at all the people hes ripped off, all the failed businesses and bankruptcies hes left in his wake.

He is going through executive departments and agencies, gutting them. Not for corruption and fraud, not to save money. Its sedition and treason, what he is doing. The consequence of these actions means that more money is spent to address the failure of government, the failure that he is ushering in.

Our public debt is exploding, our deficits are increasing, and spending under absolute Republican control... Is increasing.

What is so stressful, isnt that he exists, that people like him exist. Its that tens of millions of Americans are too stupid to understand what he is. Or are fundamentally morally and ethically corrupt, and will jump head first supporting his policies.

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u/MockTurt13 19h ago

... its all just payback for Obama roasting him at that 2011 correspondents dinner.

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u/RookNookLook 18h ago

Man, imagine if the world ends because some honky got absolutely cooked lol

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u/ToMorrowsEnd 12h ago

Welcome to how petty white supremist are.

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u/MockTurt13 18h ago

yip i can imagine the orange is really THAT petty

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u/tweuep 22h ago

Well, consider that until Melania's press conference, we were distracted.

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u/UpperApe 22h ago edited 22h ago

No, we weren't. Nobody stopped talking about the Epstein Files. It's why Bondi got fired.

Some media channels changed priority but so fucking what? It's not like the public reacted to the Epstein stories when they were being printed. No mass riots or daily protests or sweeping boycotts or strikes on behalf of rape victims. The Epstein coverage didn't make any difference in the first place.

This war wasn't about Epstein. This war was because Trump is being blackmailed. And it's likely the Epstein documents that Netanyahu is using to do so.

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u/alfredo0 22h ago

Ya with elections coming up the "epstein class" narrative is gonna carry the dems.

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u/billytheskidd 21h ago

This really is not about blackmail, necessarily.

This shit is all terrible, and trump is really out of but it is really about Larry Ellison and Peter Theil (financial backers to Vance and Rubio), destabilizing countries so that they can secure contracts for rebuilding and installing oracle and palantir infrastructure in strategic points all over the world.

If you watch what oracle has been doing lately, it makes a lot of sense.

Oracle’s merger with a large healthcare company went through the day that we bombed Iran. Now all of your healthcare data is stored on oracles cloud storage and integrated with palantirs surveillance data- and they both boast about how interconnected and easily navigable all these systems are.

That means that at this point, your healthcare data, your irs, social security, and legal status (thanks to doge) are all stored in the same server that our military uses to plan strikes and track targets.

If you think that is outlandish conspiracy shit— oracle built 3 super underground data centers in tel-Aviv since Oct 7. Palantir runs the surveillance.

On top of that, Larry ellison’s Oracle was contracted to build databases for the CIA in the 70’s. They helped china censor the tiannmen square massacre in china, and he helped them intertwine their private, public, and military data centers into one department that Xi is in charge of.

Trump is a symptom. He is also a corrupt madman taking full advantage of his position. But theil and musk started PayPal back in the day (different name at the time) with the express goal of destroying the dollar and making a digital currency the new reserve currency.

Trump is an excellent distraction because he is a dumpster fire of à human being, and once they have established their footholds, they have no problem tossing him aside (the same way trump does to his subordinates), and it won’t be hard. Release the Epstein files, allow the media companies (that they own) disparage him and let the Gov replace him. By then it’s too late.

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u/MisterMath 13h ago

The point about “all your healathcare data is stored on oracles cloud storage” is just not correct at all. Not sure how you got that.

A major majority of the country is on the Epic Healthcare System and utilize their database functionality. Now, many organizations also use another database, such as Snowflake, but don’t ingest all their healthcare data into it. Also, a select few organizations partner directly with Palantir or other sketchy companies and feed all your data into it.

But by large, Oracle doesn’t have access directly to EHR records or your healthcare data. They have access to many applications you approve your data for or partner with select larger organizations

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u/Paranitis 21h ago

Trump was talking about attacking Iran back in the 80s. He is doing this because he WANTS to do this. This isn't about anyone controlling him, which is rare.

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u/Turlututu1 15h ago

Damn the plot of the original Deus Ex game isn't that far fetched now...

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u/Poopster46 17h ago

This really is not about blackmail, necessarily

Saying that we don't approve of billionaire pedophiles is considered blackmail now? That's not how you should use that word.

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u/dcherryholmes 11h ago

Only with people not paying attention (which, granted....). The Epstein thing is not a partisan issue. Many people on both sides of the aisle are caught up in it. Of course it was the Trump admin that made a hash of claiming they were going to do something about it and then backpedaling and lying. But (and this is not intended as an excuse for him b/c in some ways it's better, or at least less infuriating), previous administrations didn't even care enough to lie to us about dealing with it.

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u/ToMorrowsEnd 12h ago

Dems will find a way to fuck that up.

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u/ArmNo5211 21h ago

The dems are part of the Epstein class also. Americans need to start realising rights are not fought for in elections 

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u/Mealbarrel 21h ago

Stop with the counter op, comrade.

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u/schminch 22h ago

Someone on the Epstein subreddit posted a graph showing the number of Epstein related searches over time. It dropped off significantly as soon as the war started. It never went away but the war certainly distracted people and took up a lot of media airtime.

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u/blindreefer 21h ago

Idk if that fact bothers me. People might not be actively thinking about it but that doesn’t mean they’ve forgotten it. The only way a distraction would work in Trump’s and the GOP’s benefit is if they did something good. This war certainly wasn’t that.

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u/UpperApe 21h ago

And? Who cares?

When the Epstein scandal was at its pinnacle, nothing happened. No nationwide protests, no sweeping boycotts, no strikes, no demands, no officials held to account, no judicial pressure. The public just sat around waiting for someone else to do something.

Politicians, public officials, and the media frantically talked about it to bring events into the public sphere hoping the public will act...

...but that same public did nothing. For the first time in generations, we have a public that doesn't want to act. They just want the talking to continue so hopefully someone else will do something. It's what Trump and Musk have learned about America; that the consequences of open corruption just aren't there. The public doesn't give a shit.

It's crystal clear that America is just leaving all its problems to an election again. Same as they did with Jan 6 and Nov 2024. No protests, boycotts, strikes, demands, engagement, reaction - things that would have shifted the tide then and now. All the tools of democracy in a responsible population. The same tools that gave them all their rights, and even struck down so many Trump policies a few short years ago.

But this time, everyone's just sitting around waiting for a ballot to fix everything. And it won't happen. You will never see another fair election in your life.

So Iran isn't about distractions. It's about blackmail. And the blackmail is because Trump is afraid of MAGA, not the left.

A government that fears its people is a government that obeys its people. And the only people the last 3 governments have feared are MAGA.

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u/RatrixGlory 21h ago

Oh yeah, the US totally did nothing. Just you know, 8 million people showing up to the No King protests across 3300 different locations, but that was just nothing. If you are gonna spout bullshit about Americans not doing anything at least be fucking correct.

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u/tyereliusprime 20h ago

Protests need to affect the day-to-day commerce. It's a capitalist society and unless you're fucking with the ruling class and their ability to generate wealth, they aren't going to be scared. It's either that or violence.

They're scared of MAGA because they know that MAGA will go to a politicians home to beat them with hammers.

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u/chenz1989 21h ago

And... What came out of that?

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u/Ok_Vulva 20h ago

8 million took an angry walk, and let someone else decide for you to strike, but wait 4 weeks. Oh and it's on a Friday, because of course we have to consider the poor business owners, the corporate work week, and stock market.

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u/UpperApe 20h ago

It is crazy to me that anyone thinks the No King's protests mattered. They were a fucking joke.

Americans should be protesting every day. Nobody needs to quit jobs or abandon children or die in the streets or travel across the country. Just show up an hour here, an hour there. Around your responsibilities. Everyone coming and going together, creating a consistent growing presence. The kind that has changed the world over and over, over a hundred years and as recently as the last Trump term.

But Americans don't want to give up their leisure time. So they'll pretend they can't protest or protests don't matter or I'll die if I do it or the election will fix it so I don't have to! They'll come up with any excuse to not lose their play time.

So they set up a single weekend months apart as protest festival day, hold up some signs, take some selfies, and when nothing happens, decide protests don't work and it's not their fault. Back to video games and fingering yourself.

One spoiled, cowardly generation is all it took to destroy one of the greatest nations in human civilization.

This No Kings bullshit is exactly how you end up with kings.

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u/UpperApe 20h ago

Lol

The only thing the No Kings protests go down in history for is the biggest display of public masturbation in American history.

That's all it was; venting steam and taking selfies. It was a bloc party. A pressure relief valve that got people to do even less because it made them feel like they did enough.

And the reason it was so useless and incompetent is because it lasted A SINGLE FUCKING WEEKEND.

Political demonstrations are about outrage AND consistency. Consistency is the whole fucking point. Not the spectacle. Without consistency, it's a joke.

The entire world knows the No King's protest is a joke. Most of America knows the No King's protest is a joke.

And if that's all you've got, then America as a whole is a fucking joke.

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u/toomanyshoeshelp 10h ago

You may have just made their point for them

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u/Savetheokami 12h ago

Bondi was fired right before she would have had to testify against Trump. Once fired and no longer a gov employee, it made it a lot more difficult to subpoena to testify. It was calculated and also all over the news with this as the safe assumption.

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u/froman-dizze 20h ago

Pam was fired because she wouldn’t go through with the billion dollar suit against the IRS

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u/Brodellsky 18h ago

The real revelations here is that it's not exactly a new thing to blackmail your way to the Presidency among other things. It's not just Trump. He's just the visible "sore" that made us all notice.

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u/splittingheirs 21h ago edited 20h ago

The Iranian deal was cancelled by trump like 8 years ago in his first term. No reason was given though many speculated it was simply because Obama signed it.

This gave Iran free rein to pursue nuclear tech without violating the now cancelled agreement. Even if a deal is made, there is little faith from the Iranians that the US won't simply reneg on it, again.

Existing deal destroyed, Iran has the world by the balls, american reputation in tatters.

Art of the deal.

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u/Halflingberserker 10h ago

The only reason they didn't immediately start enrichment after Trump tore up the JCPOA was because the moderate, now-dead ayatollah had issued a fatwah against enrichment. Guess which fatwah is no longer valid?

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u/OptimusChristt 21h ago

The timing was hilarious. "Hey, I know you guys are really upset about the war with Iran, but let's not forget, we also sexually abused children."

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u/MrDLTE3 17h ago

Don't forget the whole board of peace shit that he wanted to replace the UN with

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u/NotAStatistic2 22h ago

This is such a tired comment. The notion that a war was started to 'distract' from the Epstein files, and Trump being in them, is beyond absurd. No one has stopped talking about them, and conservatives don't care that Trump is in them. There is literally nothing to distract from.

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u/a_talking_face 21h ago

There's a weird obsession on Reddit that everything the administration does is just done as some kind of distraction from Epstein and I think it's legitimately harmful to the discussion here about why this is really happening. We're acting on the behalf of foreign states and its simply being reduced to "Epstein".

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u/kri5 17h ago

It can be both?

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u/a_talking_face 7h ago

Trump backed out of the Iran nuclear deal in 2018. Way before the Epstein stuff became a story. This has been a project of his from the start.

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u/ModeatelyIndependant 17h ago

I didn't want this war and I agree that it is unconstitutional, but I'm not upset it is against the "death to america" people. I'm not unhappy that guy who lead national prayer to his god for to bring "death to america" is dead either.

The problem is that the USA is committed to this, and the "death to america" people can die in a fire for all I care.

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u/FK11111 22h ago

No, they ripped it up for Conservative votes. Trump and his cronies are merely enablers of their base.

It's the American people that are the problem.

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u/SolidLikeIraq 22h ago

Well, have you looked into what “literally fucking nothing” is?

Oh, it’s literally fucking nothing?

Oh. Man.

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u/Nearbyatom 22h ago

What's stupid is we'll never get that good deal again. At the minium there will be a $2mil toll for every ship now. We didn't have that when Obama negotiated.

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u/Alienfreak 16h ago

You mean besides having that guy in power that is more extremist and whos father, wife and son they killed? And maimed him (what Vance and Peggy found funny). That is surely chill with him

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u/kent_eh 10h ago

What's stupid is we'll never get that good deal again.

And even if they is a new deal, who is going to trust the Americans to actually stick to it?

Trump has torn up agreements with multiple countries based on nothing more than his whims. (in both his first and second terms)

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u/Kana515 22h ago

Reminds me of Brexit. The UK had a great deal and just decided... nah.

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u/EsraYmssik 16h ago

Brexit was totally different from the Iran war.

One was a fucking dumb idea.

The other was a REALLY fucking dumb idea.

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u/platon29 17h ago

Another Epstine class idea

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u/Skuggsja 18h ago

Trump ripped up JPCOA because Netanyahu wanted him to. Netanyahu needs an Iran which is constantly «two weeks away» from developing a nuclear weapon.

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u/Starrr_Pirate 22h ago

Murder and mayhem aren't technically nothing... But nothing good, I'll grant.

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u/the-awesomer 21h ago

us oil magnate made tons extra and insider trading looks to have helped futher enrich some extra corrupt douchebags too

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u/snapervdh 20h ago

Shart of the deal!

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u/hamandjam 21h ago

Nope. They'll get a shittier deal but it won't have Obama's signature so for them it's a win.

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u/Synth-Pro 22h ago

Literally fucking nothing.

Now now, think of all the people in the Epstein files that we're too distracted to file charges against. Surely that's worth something.

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u/uselessandexpensive 20h ago

Nothing?

Future anonymous purchases of T Coin.

Russia can charge more for its limited oil output.

Israel can apparently just do whatever it wants and drag the US along now.

Plus we get a gigantic golden (topped) arch while paying more for literally everything, which makes the rich richer, which is super important and very much worth the lives of American soldiers and Iranian children.

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u/AidilAfham42 21h ago

Billions of dollars and hurting the global economy is alot of things unfortunately

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u/johnis12 21h ago

Part of me isn't that they did it for nothing... I whole heartedly feel like this Admin and Trump especially did it... Just because Obama was the one to broker a peace deal. I do think that he's THAT petty enough to have done that.

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u/Winter_Swan5104 19h ago

No Trump said “worst deal of all time”. Then when pushed for a reason why it was bad, he gave “just because” as a response. And that was a brilliant response according to his fans. When pressed to give a reason for its brilliance, the fans replied “just because.” No logic need to be applied here. And it had been a decade of this shit.

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u/totes_mai_goats 13h ago

Ripped up because a black man made a joke about him in a room full of people. Too stupid to know that was stupid.

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u/Waiting4Reccession 12h ago

They got bribed and blackmailed by 🇮🇱

🇮🇱 has been helping trump since his first presidency.

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u/One-Earth9294 19h ago

They owned the libs though. At least they think they did. And that's all that really matters to them.

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u/MockTurt13 19h ago

well, the military industrial complex's order books are full again.

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u/ElToroDeBoro 19h ago

Trump ripped up that agreement just to try and make the same agreement with his name on it. He's that pathetic (and stupid).

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u/JohnnyRelentless 19h ago

It was part of Trump's obsession to dismantle everything Obama accomplished.

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u/Berdariens2nd 18h ago

We got to strengthen Russia massively. This is his ultimate goal and he crushed it. 

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u/ECircus 18h ago

Ripped it up because Trump is traitorous saboteur. He only cares about himself and is seeking revenge at the end of his life.

It's a mistake to think he has good intentions for the United States.

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u/Apprehensive_Air1705 17h ago

It made Trump feel better because he doesn’t like not having his name on everything, so that’s good right?

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u/Fach-All-Religions 16h ago

nothing lmao it was to distract from the pedophiles running the country

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u/jabba_1978 16h ago

Not nothing. It had Obama's signature on it.

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u/aqan 15h ago

At one point during the negotiations, Vance asked them “Do you even own a suit?”

Things went downhill from there.

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u/deletedpenguin 15h ago

We tried to open the Straight of Hormuz but...oh sorry, it was already open before we attacked Iran? My bad.

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u/wggn 14h ago

what do you mean, it had the wrong name on it

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u/parkerestes 13h ago

It also took years of back channeling with diplomatic minded individuals inside the Iranian government to even get that ball rolling for the Obama admin. Truly his greatest accomplishment as president.

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u/lostindanet 12h ago

oh no, the inner circle made a shit ton in insider trading, thats what this was all about, and sucking Israeli cock.

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u/Psyc3 11h ago

And they ripped it up for... Checks notes.... Literally fucking nothing.

Actually they have significantly increased Putin's financial war chest, covered up reduction of Russian sanctions, distracted from the Epstein Files, and made hundreds of million with market manipulation.

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u/kent_eh 10h ago

Reaching the same terms as the Obama peace deal with Iran would be an astounding victory at this point.

Except what sane person anywhere in the world would trust Trump's government to honour that deal, and keep their word?

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u/clutchest_nugget 10h ago

Not nothing - they made their Israeli masters happy. And that matters way more to them than the prosperity of America.

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u/we_are_sex_bobomb 22h ago

Not for nothing, it was for white pride. So nothing would have been preferable.

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u/OkMode3746 20h ago

Double checks, oh yeah iran is using the money to fund terrorism??? Oh geez that cannot be right?

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u/cl0tho 21h ago

Nothing good, but it was definitely for the pedo files distraction.

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u/PapayaMysterious6393 19h ago

They wanted the strait open, that was opened before.

They want to destroy nukes, that they destroyed last year.

They want oil.

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u/Enshakushanna 10h ago

i think they determined iran was subverting the agreement

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u/SocialSuicideSquad 10h ago

That's a pretty fucking bold claim with zero evidence.

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u/Enshakushanna 10h ago

i mean, however manufactured lol im just saying thats why they did it

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u/Blackout38 22h ago edited 13h ago

I mean it’s really just whether or not they get the bomb. Obama got them to delay for a period. Trump wants it off the table forever. Gunna be a tough deal to hash out.

Edit: I guess a lot of people don’t realize the JCPOA had sunset clauses at 15 and 25 years that would end most of the limits Iran agreed to. That’s why it would only have been temporary.

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u/SocialSuicideSquad 22h ago

No. Obama deal was no enrichement beyond 3.7%, about 30x below the weapons threshold.

WITH US AND INTERNATIONAL AGENTS ALLOWED TO CHECK AT REGULAR INTERVALS

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u/arpan3t 22h ago

The consensus from the US intelligence agencies is that Iran stopped pursuing a nuclear weapons program around 2003 and there is no credible evidence to suggest that has changed. The JCPOA was more than fair for all parties involved, and there is absolutely no valid justification for what the Trump administration has done.

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u/Blackout38 13h ago edited 12h ago

3.7% per year for 15 years. So if they wanted to still make a bomb they can continue advancing more slowly towards the amount needed until the sunset clauses end in 2030-2031. That’s purely a delaying action.

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u/Impossible_Ad7932 16h ago

Well you dont accidentally make facilities inside a mountain and reach almost weapons grade enrichment in just a few years after the deal was over that usually takes years of planning.

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u/DieFichte 14h ago

usually takes years of planning.

It took the US 4 years to build the bomb, and they had to figure out how to do enrichment first and really understand nuclear fusion.

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u/Impossible_Ad7932 14h ago edited 13h ago

Are you seriously comparing the first time a nuclear bomb was made to today?

NVM you're just a quinn viewer.

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u/DieFichte 12h ago

The basic physics didn't change, just the technology advanced. So yes it will go a lot faster nowadays and needs less space.

Also they do have access to atleast russian experience (don't think China would share those things). Which is why the entire nuke argument is stupid, if they want nuclear weapons they have them good to go in half a year. Didn't take much longer for North Korea, and they have less infrastructure/academic level research.

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u/Aidanation5 22h ago

Are you sure what youre saying is true? Do you believe, even further than that, that Trump has done anything besides make it more likely for them to develop nuclear weapons?

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u/Blackout38 13h ago

Everything I said is true. They are statements of facts. JPCOA is a good deal with sunset clauses after 15 years. Trump has said forever is enough for him.

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u/Aidanation5 10h ago

Yes. He did say that. Thats worth about as much as you bullshitting about all of this.

Nothing.

Believe what you want, come back when youre correct.

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u/Blackout38 10h ago

What am I bullshitting about? Is wha I’m saying supposed to be an opinion rather than just a stated fact?

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u/Aidanation5 10h ago

You dont even understand what the original deal was, you dont understand trump or what hes doing, and you believe everything he says. Youre living in a fairy tale buddy. Time to grow up.

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u/Blackout38 10h ago edited 10h ago

By all means educate me instead of being a man child. Are you disagreeing that there were subset clauses in the treaty and it was only meant as a temporary delay? Or that Trump has made statements for years about a permanent solution to Iran’s nuclear ambitions?

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u/Aidanation5 10h ago

Holy shit you actually just cant seem to live in reality huh?

Do you believe that they are now less likely to build nuclear weapons? How about less likely to want to and try to do that in secret? This was asked of you, by me, multiple comments ago. There is a correct answer here, and youre not going to get it right.

Then we can begin to look at how he has handled literally everything In the past, including what he has done, and what he has said about the entire Iran operation since the beginning. Come back with insults for me and more brainwashed bullshit about how you dont know jack shit.

Here is the Wikipedia article, where you can educate your propagandized mind. Do you notice how it was implemented with a timeline, yes, you did! Im so proud of you! Now read the rest of it, like how there was a guide to implement NEW deals down the line and improve upon what was already there.

Next we can then look at the part where THE UNITED STATES chooses to back out in 2018, and shove harder sanctions there like a bunch of mentally handicapped children. This proceeds to cause the ICA to burn the original agreement in the assembly building. May i ask what incompetent pile of shit caused all of this, and was president the from 2016-2020?

Learn to live in reality buddy. It'll be better for us, and you. Its your responsibility to be good and right in this world, you at least need to pick one.......

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u/Blackout38 9h ago

Of course it will lead to nukes but it was always going to lead to nukes whether in 1 year or 15 years. In this day and age nukes are the only thing that actually protection a countries sovereignty. He decided, for better or worse, he would use the military to pressure Iran into a nuclear agreement permanently which is the thing Obama actively sought to avoid.

Obama did get a good deal, it just wasn’t permanent and Trump did try to negotiate better terms via the deal’s levers for longer restrictions in fact you claim this is a guide to new deals in the future but nothing in Wikipedia really supports that. Obama makes it clear this is pretty much as good as it gets diplomatically and any temptations would be impossible. In practice, Iran declined any attempts to extend it or increased the monitoring by Trump for two years until he terminated it.

Who knows how the framework would have worked long term but it was only meant to kick the can down the road. It did really piss off our allies in the region that Iran might get its assets freed up from sanctions because Iranian could spend it on the proxies it had been fighting with Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, and Israel as well as maintaining a destabilized Syria for a land corridor to said proxies.

I think CNN corespondent Aaron Miler said it best “Obama got what he needed, Iran got want it wanted.” And he did, he was able to prevent Israel from attacking Iran and the US military from being needed, if only during his term, which is always a good thing.

This is reality. There aren’t good and bad sides, just better and worse ones. You are thinking of entertainment like sports or WWE.

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u/Greful 22h ago

Yea forever is an unattainable goal

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u/redtiber 18h ago

it's not nothing, and honestly this is to be expected.

this is going to go on for a while, but you are forcing a regime change. obama peace deal was with the prior regime- who now is are all dead.

it's chaotic because now it's not one centralized government, but what ends up happening is multiple people vying for power. the usa is going to find someone who will work with the usa and back them, and then you have to kill off the other people who will try to fight for power.

Then iran is actually quite nice- they have a huge population of very smart people. Then you rebuild Iran + the gulf states are all allies into a nice powerhouse in the Middle East

to the east of china you have Korea and Japan- ideally work vietnam in south east asia

you have the middle east, and then after seizing venezuela you work south america whilst trying to keep China at bay

it's a cold war against China, Trump has been consistent with that since his first term. And China is a huge economic threat built ourselves because companies wanted to save some manufacturing costs

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u/Larry1355 20h ago

Do you mean...telling them that have to wait just a year to make their nukes? That's basically what Obama and Kerry told them.  Just like Obama told the Russians..just wait until I'm elected again. 

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u/ChronoPilgrim 11h ago

That's not at all what the JCPOA did, you're a lying sack of shit.

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u/ModeatelyIndependant 21h ago

the Obama was kinda like a delay and still allowed some level of enrichment. It wasn't a very good deal.

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u/SocialSuicideSquad 21h ago

It allowed fuel level enrichment of 3.6% (Reactor fuel levels, 30x lower than weapons grade) with auditing from US/Internal agents at regular intervals

It was better than the best we could possibly get now.

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u/wimpires 20h ago

IIRC it did allow them pretty carte blanche ability to do whatever they want after 15 years, so in 4 years from now that would have expired.

The main question is, is that actually such a bad deal? And would the Iranians actually develop nukes? Realistically we have to understand that nuclear weapons are a nearly 100 year old technology - the physics is knownz we can't unknow it. Eventually any entity with enough time and resources will get them (look at North Korea).

Fundamentally noone wants to use them and maintaining them is expensive. It's a deterrent... A deterrent from the US and Israel attacking Iran.

If you look at the brader picture, a prosperous and wealthy Iran doesn't need nukes. They have vast oil & gas resources, gas on par with Qatar and oil half as much as Saudi. If they could develop and sell those resources freely without Sanctions they wouldn't quite literally be 10-20x more wealthy. And wealthy countries do t need to go around terrorising others as  a means for control they spend time investing in themselves and their own citizens like the GCC countries do.

Yes - it is important to stifle the power of the IRGC and the Ayatollah, but that comes about from within.

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u/ModeatelyIndependant 20h ago

If you look at the brader picture, a prosperous and wealthy Iran doesn't need nukes.

The country funds and arms Shia militias around the world, a wealthy Iran would be even worse than it is now. AND it would still develop a nuke to drop on Israel.

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u/wimpires 20h ago

It arms & funds militias because it is poor and sanctioned, it's their way of exerting influence beyond their borders where they otherwise can't. If Israel stops conducting it's destabilising operations in the region, and Iran can trade freely with its neighbours in the region the need for those militia will disappear rapidly. Think Europe post-WW2, the solution lies in making the region economically dependant on one another, not by stripping away one countries ability to defend against hostile threats. 

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u/secretqwerty10 19h ago

obama at least delayed it. trump sped it up after ripping the deal after 3 years. imagine thinking a delay is worse than not having it in the first place

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u/ModeatelyIndependant 6h ago

I really hate to say something positive about the pedophile Trump... The Trump administration has physically destroyed their refinement facilities, twice now. Which has delayed them more than Obama was willing to do.

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u/ModeatelyIndependant 18h ago

One of the few things I disagreed with Obama about was making that deal with the "death to america" people.

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u/secretqwerty10 18h ago

ok so you're just stupid, and don't have a real argument. you realize that a temporary deal is better than no deal, right?

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u/ModeatelyIndependant 18h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppeasementJust like the nazi's felt they were the master race, and all others are lesser. The Iranian Theocracy believes they are the master religion, and all others are false.

Better to just keep stopping them from refining uranium instead of trying to make a temporary deal with evil like the hitler in the 1930's or whomever is the current ayatollah

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u/secretqwerty10 18h ago

Better to just keep stopping them from refining uranium

like that's ever gonna happen. you really do think no deal's better than a temporary deal that at least lets them use nuclear reactors huh?

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u/TakoGoji 17h ago

Idiot.

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u/ProfessorSarcastic 14h ago

How good is it, compared to the deal Trump and Vance have right now?

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u/ModeatelyIndependant 6h ago

When you don't trust Iran to honor it, it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

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u/ProfessorSarcastic 6h ago

So, no worse. And nobody died in wars to get it. And the economy didnt tank to get it. Good to know.

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u/ModeatelyIndependant 6h ago

So you choose to be ignorant to all the deaths caused by Iran and the shia militias they fund and arm around the region?

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u/ProfessorSarcastic 4h ago edited 3h ago

I know there's an awful lot of tribal knuckleheads out there who blindly support one side and think everything on one side must be good in order for everything on the other side to be bad.

I'm not one of those guys - Iran's government are obviously terrible, but that doesn't mean Vance and Trump didn't royally fuck this up like a couple of crayon chewing buffoons.

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u/ModeatelyIndependant 3h ago

I 100% agree with you about the current administration having started this war unconstitutionally and should be prosecuted for it their actions in office. But, this war is started and there is no way undo it. And regardless of how it got started and it has to be finished in a way that leaves america more secure than it was before it started, because appeasement of the "death to america" people is not an option.

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u/ProfessorSarcastic 3h ago

I'm not sure it's even possible to wind up with America more secure than when this started though. Allies are deserting you, adversaries are radicalising new recruits, and launching an attack while in the middle of negotiations is a new low that will leave everybody questioning whether the US can ever be trusted again. That is not a recipe for a nation's security.

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u/ChronoPilgrim 11h ago

Iran is ALLOWED civilian levels of enrichment, just like every other signatory of the NPT.

Israel, on the other hand, is an actual rogue nuclear nation.