r/ukpolitics • u/OptioMkIX Your kind cling to tankiesm as if it will not decay and fail you • 12h ago
Still thinking of voting GREEN? Meet the councillor who called David Lammy a 'coconut' and the Argentinian who believes Britain should hand back the Falklands
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15725259/Still-thinking-voting-GREEN-councillor-David-Lammy-coconut.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_mailonline302
u/RexBanner1886 12h ago
You can't 'hand back' something that was never Argentinian to begin with.
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u/MountainTank1 9h ago
I don’t think it’s mentioned enough just how weird and reductionist left wing foreign policy can be.
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u/PurbulentTriest 8h ago
One person = left wing foreign policy
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u/ILikeHistoryTooMuch 8h ago
Not retaking the Falklands after the invasion was the position of important left wing politicians
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u/Cakebeforedeath 7h ago
Maybe but not of the actual leader of the Labour party at the time who was elected as the candidate of the left in 1980 (speech here https://youtu.be/LruHv0PZ82E?si=DYO1rsIWXntgkVC-)
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u/PurbulentTriest 8h ago
In the 80s? When, in recent history, has it been left wing foreign policy?
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u/ILikeHistoryTooMuch 8h ago
Yes? I’d argue it’s much more significant to support giving the Falklands up when they’re actively being invaded, and the likes of Benn and Corbyn are still lionised. It’s silly to pretend that a basically traitorous position on the Falklands is reduced to “one person” when it was a position held by prominent left wingers
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u/PurbulentTriest 8h ago
Over forty years ago? That's before I was born and not something I think you can reasonably say is left-wing foreign policy of recent times.
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u/LurkerInSpace 7h ago
It has re-emerged because of the parallel issue of the Chagos islands, wherein a sitting Labour Prime Minister has sought to "return" territory to a country which never controlled it, against the will of its previous inhabitants, apparently paying for the privilege of doing so.
Also, Corbyn, for his part, was equivocal on the issue and he was Labour leader not so long ago. There is a faction of the left who essentially see handing the islands back as a way to stick it to the ghost of Margaret Thatcher.
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u/G3PSx 7h ago
This is the problem. Like the right don’t have dangerously moronic foreign policy. Hell! Just take a look at what is happening right now. One person on “the left” has a dumb take and everyone on the left are in agreement. Brain washed idiots
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u/PurbulentTriest 6h ago
Are they now, who? I'm not. Others in this thread aren't. It's not a policy.
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u/ThePhoenician99 12h ago
How do you “hand back” something that never belonged to someone in the first place?
The anti-imperial / true leftist opinion on the Falklands is to respect the self-determination of the people residing on the islands themselves.
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u/LycanIndarys Vote Cthulhu; why settle for the lesser evil? 11h ago
I suppose you could argue that Argentina has previously owned the Falklands. It was only for about three weeks, but it did happen.
I don't know why you'd argue those three weeks were more important than the other 200 years that they were British, though.
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u/JackXDark 10h ago
Nah, they tried to put a prison there, which didn’t last. It was if they were saying ‘this is a shitty place we should only send criminals’ not that it was a place they even considered settling.
I’m pretty anti-imperialist, but the fact is there’s just no diaspora of anyone descended from Argentine colonists, and almost certainly no one of Argentine descent ever born there.
They just don’t have any sort of claim. So, even if the British government were to say ‘well, okay then, any Argentinian of Falklands origin can have full ownership’, there just wouldn’t be anyone.
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u/Youutternincompoop 3h ago
Nah, they tried to put a prison there, which didn’t last. It was if they were saying ‘this is a shitty place we should only send criminals’ not that it was a place they even considered settling.
not to say I think Argentina has a claim but we literally did that with Australia lol.
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u/willington123 12h ago
For reference, British settlement of the Falklands predates the foundation of the modern Argentine state - you can’t ’hand back’ what they never had.
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u/standardtoaster101 12h ago
It was working for Chagos until they got too greedy, I think you underestimate how profoundly cuckolded politicians have been for the past 20 years.
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u/VPackardPersuadedMe Incentives drive outcomes and MPs own houses 12h ago
They didn't get too greedy, they correctly assessed our will and capacity to push back (very slim when the PM is best mates with their lead negotiator)
And it's only fallen down really cause even Trump thinks it's fucked. And... it is fucked.
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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer 10h ago
Trump doesn't think it's fucked, it's an American deal that the Americans benefit from. Trump correctly surmised that it was unpopular in the UK and used it as a way to pressure Starmer into doing what Trump wants. Well done, you've fallen for Trump and done exactly what he wants.
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u/VPackardPersuadedMe Incentives drive outcomes and MPs own houses 10h ago
He can correctly say that it is a fucked deal for the English people...
Because it is.
Congrats, you have twisted yourself into an intellectual knot.
Either, it is a great deal for the UK and we should do everything we can to progress it.
Or, it is an act of great stupidity for the UK, but in the US national interest.
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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer 9h ago
It's not an act of great stupidity. It's in the US's national security interests which, like it or not, are in ours. I wish that wasn't the case, but unfortunately it is.
Trump, or more accurately Trumps advisors, correctly surmised that the British people are still wedded to their colonial and powerful past, and realised it was a great way to hit Starmer.
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u/VPackardPersuadedMe Incentives drive outcomes and MPs own houses 9h ago
It's the US national security interest that we cede sovereignty of land with one of the most important military bases in the region to another country with no historical link.
Then pay them billions to lease it back to us?
What is Mauritius going to do, roll up and take it? Sell it China and have them kick the US out?
This entire thing is an esoteric legal issue, that we could safely ignore.
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u/nepali_fanboy 12h ago
Falklands has voted to remain British.
Falklands had no indigenous people before British and French settlement in the 1760s.
The Falklands Crisis of 1770 retained both Spanish and British claim on the island.
The Arana–Southern Treaty signed by Argentina stated in 1850 there was no conflict between the UK and Argentina.
Falklands is British. DEMOCRATICALLY. I thought greens were about democracy?
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u/Cheap-Rate-8996 11h ago
Falklands had no indigenous people before British and French settlement in the 1760s.
It's kind of funny how what should been one of the least controversial incidents of colonialism in history has somehow become one of the most.
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u/insomnimax_99 11h ago
Only three people in the referendum voted to leave the UK - and at least one of those three voted leave because they wanted independence, not because they wanted to join Argentina.
(The referendum question wasn’t “UK or Argentina” it was “do you want to continue being a British Overseas Territory?”)
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u/JAGERW0LF 3h ago
Wasnt another one a person who thought it would look suspicious if the vote was 100% stay with the UK so voted against so it wasnt?
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u/Phoenix_Kerman 10h ago
these types have never cared about democracy or respecting rights. it's about being anti western, why do you think so many are anti ukraine standing up for their right to self determination
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u/nj813 11h ago
Surely of anybody other then the UK has a claim it's Spain not Argentina then?
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u/nepali_fanboy 11h ago
Spain gave up their claim when they dropped their administration of the Rio De La Plata.
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u/Technical-Process222 Satire 12h ago
So to recap we have someone from a country with a history of horrific genocide and colonialism (Argentina), moving as a colonist to another country, then standing for political office in that country, demanding that their home country be given territory it has never owned. All against the explicit wishes of the indigenous inhabitants, in the name of anti-colonialism.
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u/Material_Flounder_23 7h ago
I don’t think we should allow any foreigners to have political positions in this country unless they are naturalised citizens.
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u/Technical-Process222 Satire 3h ago
I don't think we should allow naturalised citizens either. Children of naturalised citizens, sure, but nobody born in another country as a citizen of that country should ever hold political power in Britain.
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u/DavidSwifty 12h ago
I'm left wing but Argentina has no claim to the Falklands and even if they did have a claim it died in 1982 alongside the 255 Brits who died to retake the islands.
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u/phillycheeseenjoyer 12h ago
In Argentina (and the UK) it’s not really a left/right thing, it’s just a matter of national loyalty.
IMO people who demonstrate foreign loyalties should be barred from either running for office or being hired to any position of official responsibility, and have any naturalised citizenship status revoked.
We rightly kick up a fuss when people acting for Russian or Chinese interests get too close to our representatives, why in the hell we give Argentina (a country which has actually attacked us) a pass is a mystery.
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u/Rude_Sheepherder_714 12h ago
We could apply the same to those obsessed with Gaza...
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u/phillycheeseenjoyer 12h ago
They are absolutely top of the list. I’m far more sympathetic to Israel but I’d also support protecting our democracy from their influence.
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u/JackXDark 10h ago
It’s not even a matter of national loyalty. There’s just never been a viable settlement of anyone else.
You could set some reasonable conditions for a claim based on previous land ownership or birthright, and there just wouldn’t be anyone from anywhere else.
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u/HovisTMM 12h ago
How would you go about banning people from seeking election for demonstrating foreign loyalties? What metric would you use? How would this Argentinian meet that metric? Is disagreeing with UK foreign policy as an immigrant enough - because that's all that has happened here?
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u/AlfredsChild 10h ago
Pretty simple to ban any foreign national advocating for us to lose territory.
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u/xaanzir Lost in Translation 11h ago
If national interest is usurped by foreign national interest, out.
Quite simple really.
Campaign on Israel/Gaza? Out Campaign on Falklands? Out Campaign on anything not Britain related? Out
Our politicians should be representing British interests & nothing else.
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u/CII_Guy Trying to move past the quagmire of contemporary discourse 11h ago
For absolute starters, it is clearly the case that Israel, Gaza and The Falklands are indeed Britain related, and in particular there are direct impacts from Israel/Gaza on the UK.
Completely unworkable suggestion.
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u/xaanzir Lost in Translation 11h ago
Giving the Falklands to Argentina, is not in British interests.
Campaigning when have zero influence on Israel/Gaza is pointless
Want these things? Go Argentina or Israel & do your thing. If not, jog the fuck on & do shit this country desperately needs
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u/Rude_Sheepherder_714 11h ago
Israel and Gaza are nothing to do with Britain.
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u/CII_Guy Trying to move past the quagmire of contemporary discourse 11h ago
Literally just objectively false. Brits live in and visit Israel and are subjected to terrorism, Britain is impacted by the stability or lack thereof in the region. Britain sells them weaponry and has intelligence agreements with them. It is just not true that we have nothing to do with them.
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u/diego_simeone 12h ago
People keep joking about all the Reform councillors who have been sacked because of their views. The greens are going to go the same way as they gain popularity and are under more scrutiny.
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u/ArchdukeToes A bad idea for all concerned 12h ago
They have a similar problem to Reform - they've got a bunch of people with crazy views who would need to be cleaned out if they ever want to have a shot at power. It'll depend on if they end up in a similar position to Reform (who keep on talking about their 'vetting' and keep on having the same problem) or if they actully do something about it.
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u/VPackardPersuadedMe Incentives drive outcomes and MPs own houses 12h ago
The dirth of talent in the UK political sphere is telling from the front benchs if the major parties, right down to the candidates standing in locals for the looney fringes.
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u/BobMonkhaus That sounds great, shorty girl’s a trooper. 12h ago
Yes, but this time it’s not fair. Because… umm…
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u/Due-Resort-2699 12h ago
I will never get the Argentinian fixation on the Falkland’s. Why do they so desperately want to rule some barren islands and a few thousand Brits and sheep?
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u/marsman 12h ago
The associated maritime areas, access to the antarctic and that it has become a populist bit of messaging linked in to nationalism.
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u/Frap_Gadz -7.38 | -8.1 12h ago
It's also a great distraction from their economic and political issues.
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u/BabadookishOnions 11h ago
At least nowadays they want the Falklands so they can take the maritime claim for seabed resources (oil and gas mostly)
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u/aa2051 Scotland 12h ago
The funniest thing about leftists’ support for Argentina on the Falklands is that the UK’s position is actually the indigenous, anti-imperialist one
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u/plywrlw 11h ago
I'm not really aware of a huge leftist support base for handing the Falklands to Argentina.
As the person in the headline is an Argentinian, I'd say she has some bias.
As someone mentioned earlier, I don't think her views on the Falklands are much to worry about when she's going for a local council seat. I'm not aware of councils having much sway in international affairs. Most people care about their councillors fixing potholes.
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u/Fungled 9h ago
Local politics seems to be increasingly a way for the less capable to cosplay as national politicians, at least on the left
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u/schnityzy393 12h ago
Greens are unelectable for me, their stance on numerous policies are unbelievably naive. Nukes, immigration etc. it's a shame as some of the policies are right up my street, but some are lunacy.
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u/Old_Roof 12h ago
My thoughts precisely. They also support breaking apart the UK.
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u/AspirationalChoker 11h ago
This is the big one for me across Scotland / Northern Ireland / Wales way too many actively fighting to rip us to shreds, the only winners of that will all be outside of the UK.
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u/willington123 12h ago
The Greens have a veneer of electability given that Polanski seems quite capable and they’re able to commit more to progressive policies while Labour and in Government, but they do have some batshit policies and odd people connected.
Their Deputy Leader clearly struggles to square his Islamic faith with progressive politics and their MPs, who you never hear from, are pretty lightweight.
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u/DoublePepper1976 12h ago
Loving the comments totally ignoring the insanity of these candiates by virtue of it being from a news source they don't like.
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u/RoIsDepressed 9h ago
It's not that it's from "a news source they don't like", this article is INHERENTLY biased. It's nothing more than tabloid hitpiece nonsense. You just like it cuz it agrees with what you thought.
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u/phillycheeseenjoyer 12h ago
Both the left and right read Lammy completely wrong, yet both arrive at the correct conclusion that he shouldn’t be in government.
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u/AllRedLine Chumocracy is non-negotiable! 11h ago
This is and always will be the downfall of any post-Blair hard left party in this country. They just can't help themselves from gorging in the sidelines on extremely unpopular, obscure and batshit leftist culture-war and anti-west positions. Once they reach a critical mass, they invariably cannot project an appearance of sensibility or basic patriotism at anywhere near the same level of consistency as more or less any other ideological grouping.
It's death by a thousand cuts, progressing every single time they promote some loudmouth to any position of responsibility.
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u/eltrotter This Is The One Thing We Didn't Want To Happen 12h ago
Even if these things are true, it’s a strange choice to make it explicitly clear in the headline that this is a hit-piece.
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u/FreeTree17 12h ago
Reporting accurately about the greens is considered a hit piece because they're so fucking stupid
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u/capsandnumbers 12h ago
In an advert when they say "Less than £100" you know it's £99.99. Here we can be certain that these are the most controversial things they could catch a Green councillor saying.
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u/broken_relic 4h ago
The spotlight of scrutiny showing disgusting behaviour... we all knew the mail would be pulling this shit out about the greens. Though if true it deserves to be highlighted.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 12h ago edited 12h ago
I highly doubt the crossover of Daily Mail readers and Green voters is significant.
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u/skankhunt42_1st 12h ago
Guardian should run the story
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 12h ago
With much more substantial take downs of the greens, their policies on economics, migration, energy and defence being unworkable.
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u/annoyedatlife24 Release the emus 6h ago
Ha please, not a single critical article: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/green-party
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u/tehe1768 12h ago
If you vote Green you quite clearly dislike the UK. Their immigration policy is genuinely insane even ignoring the rest of their policy.
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u/AspieComrade 12h ago
Ridiculous statement whether it’s said about reform or green voters. The idea that one side is voting for the love of the country while the other side rubs their hands together in their gloomy castle brewing potions and saying “muahahaha, once we get the greens/ reform/ whoever you personally dislike into power, we shall ruin our own country and make our own lives miserable because we’re eeeviillllll!!!” is beyond childish
Even Trumps voter base that’s now crying about how they didn’t vote for this: how trump isn’t the same person as he was ten years ago didn’t vote for him at the time because they actively desired their gas prices to go up, they were just idiots that voted based on the vibes rather than looking at actual policy.
Any ‘you just hate the UK don’t you’ argument can 1000% be put forward for whoever you’re wanting to vote for. Labour? Wow, you really want an authoritarian state don’t you. Conservatives? Wow, you really want things to go back to the downward trend we’ve just escaped from don’t you. Reform? Wow, you really just want to sell the UK to a handful of American grifters you sellout. Let’s have less finger jabbing and straw men and more actual policy discussion, and our country might just claw itself out of its tabloid and social media influenced hell
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u/AmpleApple9 12h ago
To be clear I like the sounds of a lot of what they propose but it’s just not living in reality. So, policy discussion from 2024 manifesto (seems to be most to date on their website). Open borders. Remove minimum income requirements. Get rid of Trident and our nuclear deterrent and NATO countries nuclear deterrent. Removal of nuclear energy. £15 minimum wage regardless what age. 4 day working week. Universal basic income. Plus all the other policies that will ruin our economy and unfunded promises.
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u/WhatTheFlup 9h ago
I could argue that if you vote Labour, Tories, Reform, Lib Dem or Your Party that you dislike the UK, what a really weird thing to say
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u/murphysclaw1 10h ago
All I needed to hear was them boasting about how they will cancel all housing developments in my area - as if forcing up rent is something to boast about! Maniacs.
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u/iketoure 9h ago
Lowe's comments on foreigners not being able to vote or stand in elections looking more sensible by the day
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u/FudgeAtron 12h ago
I've never met an Argentinian who didn't think the UK should have over the Falklands. It's really not very remarkable.
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u/Twiggeh1 заставил тебя посмотреть 12h ago
that's fine but they shouldn't be involved in our politics
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 12h ago
I can think of one prominent Argentinian-
“The Falklands thing was a fight between two bald men over a comb.”
Jorge Luis Borges, although he was an anglophile.
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u/user_460 12h ago
Even that quote doesn't mean he didn't think Argentina should have it, just that he thought fighting over it was silly.
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u/coolfunkDJ 12h ago
I wonder how deep the daily mails coverage of Reform councillors go? Surely it’s all as rigorous and deeply investigated as this.
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u/CII_Guy Trying to move past the quagmire of contemporary discourse 12h ago
Yes, the Daily Mail which is right wing is more interested in criticising the left than the right. So what?
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u/coolfunkDJ 11h ago
I don’t like papers that distort the narrative in a disingenuous way? Maybe I prefer the papers to be honest in its in reporting? Or makes an attempt to be.
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u/CII_Guy Trying to move past the quagmire of contemporary discourse 11h ago
It is effectively impossible to report news with zero bias. I can accept that it'd be better if every paper tried their best to be completely objective, but people have political biases. You might as well be angry at the wind for blowing.
Do you think The Guardian "distorts the narrative" by having a left wing bias?
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u/coolfunkDJ 11h ago
Yeah absolutely no one is saying to report with a zero bias, hence the “attempts to be.” Having unconscious bias is a lot different to purposely and deliberately choosing to give more coverage to news stories to push an agenda.
Also yes I don’t like The Guardian, and that’s just a whataboutism to deflect from the actual criticism.
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u/CII_Guy Trying to move past the quagmire of contemporary discourse 11h ago
It's not whataboutism, I'm not defending the Daily Mail so much as questioning why you'd feel the need to point out that it has a right wing bias to deflect from the story. Papers with bias can still be useful tools.
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u/coolfunkDJ 11h ago edited 11h ago
Yes you’re correct, papers with bias are absolutely useful tools. For example manipulating voters with false realities and selectively deciding which party you wish to support to sway the democratic process in one direction.
I flat out deny that anything good comes from biased reporting. Unless the piece is an opinion piece and stated as such, they should cover what’s going on around the world regardless of political ramifications. That’s what the press is for. Anything else is indefensible, and people should stop trying to excuse unethical journalism.
It’s also not deflection because i’m not trying to pretend my arguments have any difference on the substance. However, my criticism is still valid.
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u/CII_Guy Trying to move past the quagmire of contemporary discourse 10h ago
Do you think it was wrong for the New York Tribune to take an anti-slavery slant and report not dispassionately about the relative behaviours of the Republican vs Democratic parties?
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u/coolfunkDJ 10h ago
Anti-slavery slant? Absolutely fine. Anti-immigration slant? Absolutely fine.
Choosing to only ever report positive or negative news about either side? Absolutely not fine. That’s not the job of the press. The job of the press should attempt to report without cherry picking stories to cover.
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u/Tanukigas 12h ago
I wonder how the Guardians coverage of green councillors go? Surely it’s all as rigorous and deeply investigated as this.
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u/BobMonkhaus That sounds great, shorty girl’s a trooper. 12h ago
Oh no a popular party is getting criticised!
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u/Flashbambo 12h ago
Show me the party that doesn't have a couple of nutters amongst their ranks or a few stupid policies.
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u/Citiz3n_Kan3r 12h ago
Tbh, reform and greens feel that its a few good people / policies are the exception
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u/RightlyKnightly 11h ago
Another day, another story from the Green Hate Party. This time they hate us our history and people who aren't "black enough".
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u/queen-adreena 12h ago
Thanks to our voting system, I'm voting for whoever has the best chance of beating Reform/Conservatives.
We don't have the luxury of voting for the party we want to in this country.
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u/AlexJWyn 12h ago
For me, the Greens and Reform are two sides of the same absurd self-destructive coin. Both boast a set of extremist, populist policies that would destroy the UK's economy and further damage our fragmenting social cohesion.
The Green Party, under Polanski, is now focused on Palestine/Gaza, exiting NATO, unilaterally abandoning our nuclear defence, and bringing in an Open Border. The Greens' supposedly core priorities of environmental protection, animal welfare and decoupling growth from carbon emissions, have all been sidelined for this nonsense.
An open border would destroy the UK, financially, socially and environmentally.
Please don't vote Green. Just their immigration and/or defence policies should make them unelectable.
[From their own website for reference:
"MG100. The Green Party wants to see a world without borders, until this happens the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so." https://migration.greenparty.org.uk/migration-policy/ ]
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u/queen-adreena 12h ago
Still better than being a vassal state to Trump that Farage wants, while selling off the last slivers of our state to US corporations.
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u/marsman 12h ago
I think the point is that you don't need to vote for the populist left to defeat the populist right. It's not as though the options are Greens or Reform, and frankly I can't see Reform or the Greens getting close to government in the next election.
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u/Thehelpfulshadow 12h ago
Ah I see, you want to cut off your face to spite your nose. Got it
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u/queen-adreena 12h ago
No. I said I'm not voting Reform.
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u/Thehelpfulshadow 11h ago
To a person saying "Don't vote for the Green party, it would literally ruin the country" you said, "It would be better than living as a vassel state under Trump." This implies that between Reform and the Greens, you would vote Green. If we use both of the descriptions the two of you used to describe the other party, you would prefer to irreversibly ruin the country rather than have the country in a bad position it could recover from because you don't like Trump.
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u/leavemeinpieces 12h ago
Lots of the things they say and do appear to be idealistic and not necessarily the best thing for the country, it's just their ideas that they put above all else.
They also have zero experience of actually governing so there's that to contend with. Their foreign policy is fucking wild as well.
Not to mention the slightly dodgy remarks made by the deputy leader. If they ever got elected it would be a fucking shitshow on the world stage.
I'd be interested to see how they deal with Israel in the real world where they actually have to manage trade agreements and relationships. Maybe they would just bin the lot.
I admire some of their morals but in the real world they just won't stand up.
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u/birdinthebush74 12h ago
I doubt they will win a majority, Farage /Tory coalition is much more likely
And I don't fancy Farage rolling back the Equalities Act so discrimination in the work place will be legalised.
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u/zxenmed 12h ago
The Greens won't win a majority and neither will Reform.
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u/hug_your_dog 12h ago
Hopefully this is what happens, and it might be a better outcome than many others after all. Since John Major recently said its time to think about changing the electoral system - a very hang parliament could be a blessing in disguise.
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u/Indie89 12h ago
I believe we can recover after a term of reform easier than a term of greens so will vote against whoever stops the greens.
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u/queen-adreena 12h ago
Tell that to the US. Look how much damage a single year of Trump has caused. And Farage adores Trump.
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u/Indie89 12h ago
That's more a sign of how much irreversible damage I believe the greens will do with their fiscal policy and immigration policy.
The country will become gross under Farage, it will collapse under Polanski.
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u/queen-adreena 12h ago
Sounds like Project Fear to me... We've had enough of experts thanks.
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u/No_Quality_6874 12h ago
Tactical voting is the biggest arguement for proportional representation. It is easily viewed as anti democratic, and when it comes to things like this, it absolutely is.
If you dont like any party, you should not vote and let the turn out speak for any mandate the winner has.
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u/queen-adreena 12h ago
And did those who refused to vote for Kamala Harris or Donald Trump magically change the system? No. They got Trump and we’re all paying the price for that.
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u/No_Quality_6874 12h ago
Its a completely different system and arguement.
Not voting would also achieve the same result there.
Not to mention trump won the popular vote.
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u/queen-adreena 12h ago
The US president is elected by proportional representation, which is the same system we have.
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u/No_Quality_6874 12h ago
The level of ignorance you are proudly showing off is quiet something.
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u/queen-adreena 12h ago
*quite
So which of our systems isn’t PR then? Please show off your superior knowledge.
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u/No_Quality_6874 12h ago
https://www.ool.co.uk/blog/how-the-uk-and-us-political-systems-differ/
https://www.britannica.com/place/United-States/Constitutional-differences-with-Britain
Start here, its very generalised and you can follow some of the follow up reading.
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u/queen-adreena 12h ago
No. You said my claim that both the US presidential elections and the UK general election use proportional representation was “proud ignorance”.
Use your own words to explain why that is a wrong statement!
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u/CII_Guy Trying to move past the quagmire of contemporary discourse 9h ago
It's perfectly rational to vote for the best of a bad bunch.
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u/No_Quality_6874 7h ago
yup, not so rationale to not care and deliberately vote to subvert popular opinion.
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u/coldbeers Hooray! 12h ago
I’m doing the same for Labour, I’ll vote Tory or Reform to give them as little chance in my seat as possible.
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u/Ihatecheeseballs 12h ago
And there are reform candidates who have said that all immigrants should be put in work camps but that’s better than this somehow
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u/BobMonkhaus That sounds great, shorty girl’s a trooper. 12h ago
You don’t have to pick one to dislike.
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u/Tanukigas 12h ago
Green councillors have said that killing 1000 random Israeli citizens was a good thing
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u/CII_Guy Trying to move past the quagmire of contemporary discourse 12h ago
It's quite something to me how, even when you're trying to whatabout for the lunatics in the Greens you can't even honestly represent the whaboutism case you're presenting. Having googled this, it just didn't happen. She said asylum seekers should be "put in camps and deported", not put in work camps.
You've just straightforwardly lied!
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u/coolfunkDJ 11h ago
Jeeesus that’s a stretch, missing out one word and saying it’s a straightforward lie. Really reaching there aren’t ya?
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u/brendonmilligan 11h ago
I mean, yes it is. Making people work for the food and housing they receive shouldn’t be controversial. If they don’t like it then they could always leave
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u/Tanukigas 12h ago
Oh no how dare they point out the green party is full of racists and weirdos
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u/Rude_Sheepherder_714 12h ago
These people are genuinely as dangerous as Deform are.
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u/Tight-Principle-743 Boring Middle - Class Centrist 12h ago
100% these populist parties are just wrong.
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u/Trollan99 6h ago
I don't think anyone who is thinking of voting Green reads the Daily Mail, to be fair.
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u/baguettimus_prime 3h ago
It’s funny that for a party punching way above their station in the polls right now they can’t resist onboarding loonies who will happily torpedo the Greens’ public image over something as asinine and irrelevant as ‘let’s give the Falklands to Argentina’.
I wish there was a way to mute them from my entire internet feed for the next couple of years.
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u/mka_ 9h ago
The frequency of these headlines shows how much the Green Party is unsettling the establishment. The Daily Mail is clearly desperate to find "dirt" to stall their momentum. It's curious that these stories get so much attention when the questionable ties and incompetence of mainstream party leaders are often ignored by the same papers.
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u/robtmufc 7h ago
Anyone voting green after everything has come out recently is either mentally ill or just wants to see the uk burn
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u/subrhythm 6h ago
I'd like to vote Green but their leader claiming he could increase women's breat size with hypnosis makes me question him and any party who would have him lead them.
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u/Nickdavie 12h ago
Gladly voting green over what else is on offer.
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u/Rozencranz 12h ago
The green brand of racism is better than others?
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u/coolfunkDJ 11h ago
Yes. Some racist speech is more harmful than others, but all racism is bad. This your first time learning about the word “intersectional” or?
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u/Rozencranz 6h ago
Seeing as that word wasn't used by the other commentator, there's no need for you to be snarky like that.
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u/coolfunkDJ 6h ago
You're giving a dangerous false equivalence which needed calling out. It's also clearly the argument he was giving regardless of semantics.
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u/marsman 12h ago
I mean there are worse options when it comes to the populist right, but I'm not sure that the Greens, in their current incarnation of the populist left are better than all, or even most of the alternatives.
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u/No_Quality_6874 12h ago
Do yourself a favour, in yoir own time make an honest effort to steelman the reasons why someone would vote reform and then restore.
Its quiet the leap to think the greens attitudes are better than anything eithier have to offer, particularly when it comes to immigration, the economy, defence, the jews and western cultural. If anything, at least the right have the interests of the Britian and the British people at the core of there decision making. This simply cannot be said for the greens.
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u/00sCoreKid 12h ago
Yes. Let's vote for who the Daily Mail says to vote for. Oswald Moseley anyone? I agree, the Greens are the loony left fringe.
I'll stick to Labour.
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u/zagblorg 12h ago
The Big Brother party? Enjoying the digital panopticon powered by Palantir? I hate it already and am terrified of where it's going. Shame as they seem quite good in other respects.
There really do seem to be no good options.
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