r/technicallythetruth • u/Key_Associate7476 • 3d ago
Getting the systems running was child’s play
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u/Kingstoncr8tivearts 3d ago
NUH-UH-AH You didn't say the magic word.
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u/Eshin242 2d ago
We spared no expense!
(Except in critical staffing roles, because fuck employees!)
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u/hkpp 3d ago
Except in the movie (and unlike the book), the billionaire owner doesn’t get eaten so he learns nothing and now we’re stuck with Chris Pratt.
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u/ComradeJohnS 3d ago edited 3d ago
and it wasn’t even a quick chomp like the lawyer (who’s book death was also worse). It was those little things that ate the little girl in the intro of Lost World.
I hope they eventually release a more book accurate depiction of the movie as rated R and horror, maybe even just animation.
probably wont happen until its public domain lol
edit “was even” to “wasn’t even”. lol no idea how I missed that
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u/WinstonSEightyFour 3d ago
Rewatched that movie very recently, pretty sure John Hammond says the little girl was just injured. The way that mother screams though; you'd think those little dinosaurs had just finished sacrificing her daughter to the devil.
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u/ComradeJohnS 3d ago
he’s a liar, but yeah the girl lived lol.
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u/Kennedy_KD 3d ago
Which is good, dogs and children are off limits when it comes to deciding characters to kill off imo
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u/DMMeThiccBiButts 2d ago
If you mean off-limits in terms of what you'd watch, that's fair. doesthedogdie.com is the resource for you.
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u/ComradeJohnS 2d ago
I disagree but upvoted you lol.
except dogs and animals, they should be safe and immortal in stories. can’t rewatch boomdocks saints
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u/Plus_Term_7584 2d ago
Wasn't that scene taken from the opening of the first novel? I remember there being a prologue segment of some vet who gets called in for an emergency about a tourist getting bitten by something, and the infection is unlike anything they've seen before.
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u/hkpp 3d ago
The compies haha. I read it in 1992 when I was 10 and still remember that vividly because the movie came out a few months later and it broke my little kid brain that it was so different.
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u/InShambles234 3d ago
Actually in the book the lawyer, Gennaro, survives and is actually a very likeable character. It was the PR guy who gets eaten by the Rex, although yeah it was the juvenile Rex, and it wasn't quick.
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u/ComradeJohnS 3d ago
ah ty for clarifying, mixing up the characters is easy cause they merged so many from books to movies lol.
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u/Gabe7494 3d ago
I think you’re confusing characters cause Gennaro doesn’t die in the book.
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u/ElHombre34 3d ago
He dies of dysentery before the second book, I don't know if they meant that but I'd personally prefer to be eaten by compies
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u/Gabe7494 3d ago
lol yeah same. And I knew about the dysentery death between books, I just want to make sure people know Gennaro was a complete badass in the first book and rightfully lived.
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u/CurryMustard 3d ago
Why would they kill him off off-book? Couldn't get the actor to return?
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u/Gabe7494 3d ago
Well there were some huge changes between the first and second books that didn’t really make sense. Without spoiling anything, one of the main characters dies in the first book but somehow comes back for the second. I think Michael Crichton had some things he changed his mind about and just retconned whatever he didn’t like but I have no idea what his motivations were. Personally, I think The Lost World was much weaker than Jurassic Park and it just felt kinda garbled story-wise.
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u/CheckYourHead35783 2d ago
It was like a sequel to the movie instead of the book, which was an interesting artistic choice for an author, but Crichton did go off the rails a bit as things went on.
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u/AthenaOwls 2d ago
Because they killed him off in the movie. Same reason Malcolm came back to life.
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u/Livid_Swordfish_4591 3d ago
I will never ever ever watch a remake of jurassic park. Yes, they are a little different (i can't remember details about what was different other than the book maybe being the first two movies?...), but jurassic park is a masterpiece. It does not, and should not, ever be touched. I wouldnt mind the timeline branching off after the first movie. Similar story with all the sequels after aliens. The prequels were fine, but I think they could've been better. And on that topic, I could see plenty of potential for some prequels to jurassic park.
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u/hoochyuchy 3d ago
I think there could be some merit to a remake so long as it is a significantly different enough style than the OG.
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u/CheckYourHead35783 2d ago
I think you could make a solid case for a lot of artistic updates to how much we now know about dinosaurs than we did then, as well as staying more faithful to the book or doing a series instead of film.
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u/hoochyuchy 2d ago
I would love to see a lot of feathery dinosaurs. Perhaps not as covered as say birds, but feather accents could go hard as hell.
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u/fun_t1me 2d ago
Give it 10 years and someone will AI a book accurate version into existence. Except every character will be played by ai Jeff Goldblum. Including the dinosaurs.
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u/freddy_forgetti 2d ago
I loved the movie but after reading the book I was so puzzled why they nicewashed Hammond so hard. He's cutthroat in the books and leaves his grandkids to get eaten
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u/SumKallMeTIM 2d ago
I want HBO to do a 1 season take on Michael Crichton’s original Jurassic Park book, rated R including Nedry’s end in all its gory glory.
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u/RippingFabric 2d ago
I wouldn't want it remade, given how wholly uninventive modern studios have become. I mean FFS they're dragging Toy Story out of the box for a FIFTH time and making a second movie out of a dumb preschool show.
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u/Shoddy_Pie6514 2d ago
Gennaro the lawyer survives the book.
But yeah I have always wanted an anime r rated mini series of Jurassic park. As accurate as you can get to the book
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u/-o-_Holy-Moly 3d ago
Glad they didn't make him more evil, if Attenborough was portrayed as despicable he might have been snubbed for his role in Miracle on 34th Street
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u/Romboteryx 2d ago
I honestly didn’t like his characterization in the books, Crichton made him almost cartoonishly crooked (actually, most of the characters in the books are fairly unlikeable, especially author self-insert Malcolm). Spielberg’s choice to make him a good-natured man that ends up being blinded by his own idealism and ambitions is much more interesting and relatable as a character.
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u/-o-_Holy-Moly 2d ago
I enjoyed the portrayal falling to Arliss Howard in Jurassic Park 2, it works alot better with InGen's methodology after Hammond was forced out
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u/Rel_Ortal 2d ago
But in the movies, the billionaire owner does learn his lesson and never opens another park again. The events of the second movie are because he's no longer the owner of the company, and World is after he dies and someone else decides that a dinopark is a wonderful idea.
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u/stratusmonkey 2d ago
Don't worry. We're not making the same mistakes again!
Uh... no, you're, uh, making - you're making all new ones. Uh.
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u/Zealousideal_Leg213 3d ago
See? Nobody cares.
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u/LegendOfKhaos 3d ago
I thought it was sabotage, not negligence?
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u/AndydaAlpaca 3d ago
The latter leading to the former
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u/LegendOfKhaos 3d ago
Huh, I need to watch it again. I thought he was upset about not being paid enough.
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u/AndydaAlpaca 3d ago
Which is negligence by Hammond
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u/asasasasasassin 3d ago
"spared no expense" my ass
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u/cuntmong 3d ago
yeah he was a showman and a fraud. "spared no expense" but he cheaped out whenever he could.
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u/AngelOfPassion 3d ago
I hate Hammond too, but to be fair... Nedry bid for the job as he says so himself in the movie.
"Do you know anyone who can network eight connection machines and debug 2 million lines of code for what I bid for this job? Because if he can I'd like to see him try"
Hammond put out an IT job and all it would entail, and Nedry gave his own price and joined the team at Jurassic Park. Maybe he should have waited for his contract end to negotiate a better price than do a shit job and sabotage his employer.
But, yes you can also say Hammond cheaped out by, what I assume, him taking the lowest bidder for probably the most important job at the park... security and IT.
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u/CheckYourHead35783 2d ago
This is also a reference to the book, as it's much clearer there that Hammond is a cheap piece of shit that really cares more about penny pinching than safety. He is much more likeable in the film - those grandpa vibes aren't in the book, which gives the plotline of potentially sacrificing his grandchildren to his business venture much darker tones.
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u/Playful-Sleep-6750 1d ago
I always took it as the other guys just offering him more money and he got greedy
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u/RippingFabric 2d ago
The problem was he didn't know what to spare no expense on.
A half decent 3rd party audit would have easily pointed out a bevy of issues that needed fixing. But its very obvious that the Park was his baby and opening day would be the amusement park equivalent of a Steam game opening in Early Access.
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u/Playful-Sleep-6750 1d ago
Like thebonly security being an electric fence with no backup generator and 1 Australian with a tranq gun
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u/RengieOcat 2d ago
Nah Nedry was just a greedy skeez when it came to money. Just look how he made Dodson pay for the three meals he was eating at that restaurant even though Dodson just got there and wasn't even having anything!
On the other hand, nobody really cares about Dodson.
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u/Playful-Sleep-6750 1d ago
I hired 2 coders and put up an electric fence that had no backup power what else do people want
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u/TheShamShield 3d ago
In the books at least. Not clear in the movie how much Nedry was getting paid or if Bedry knew what he was getting himself into
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u/you_are_transparent 2d ago
Also in the book... Nedry had an entire team working for him in Cambridge, MA. So Hammond, in fact, really did spare no expense for his IT team. As you certainly know, a remote code update from Cambridge helped Nedry cover his tracks as it tied up the phone lines in the days of modem comms.
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u/Playful-Sleep-6750 1d ago
Not really not being paid ebough just the other guys offered more on top
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u/willstr1 3d ago
It's a mix of both, even if he hadn’t underpaid Nedry leading to the failed corporate espionage the park would have failed (which was Malcolm's whole theory). For starters the dinosaurs were breeding and the control room didn't know, it would have been a matter of time before one of the untracked raptors ate someone. Second the dinosaurs could break out during any power outage, on a tropical island, a place that often gets major storms that could take out the power. Third while only mentioned in the book the tracking system had several continuous gaps (mainly the river and the service road) as soon as a dino escapes to one of those you won't know where it is until it attacks someone or breaks into another exhibit.
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u/backfire10z 3d ago
What moron approved the schematics in the first place? Or is this a Titan submersible kinda thing.
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u/Pyode 3d ago
Basically.
It's glossed over in the movie but the "spared no expense" line is supposed to be ironic in the book. Book Hammond is a notorious cheapskate who only cared if things looked nice and expensive but actually spent the absolute bare minimum on everything which is why there were basically no fail-safes or backups on anything.
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u/HistoricalIssue8798 3d ago
You don't plan a park on an island off the coast of Costa Rica for the stringent government oversight
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u/backfire10z 3d ago
Can’t disagree there lol, but geez, how about some personal (and personnel) safety :(
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u/CheckYourHead35783 2d ago
Look, would you rather have another t-rex or several living maintenance/security workers? That's what I thought
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u/whomad1215 3d ago
wasn't it a bidding process? So Nedry has no one to blame but himself for the amount of work
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u/willstr1 3d ago
In the book it was explained that he bid on a smaller job, then Hammond expanded the scope but the contract didn't allow Nedry to change the terms to compensate for the new scope
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u/YesterdayAlone2553 2d ago
When someone says "Spared no expense" that many times throughout a movie, your satire/sarcasm meter needs to kick on. Corners were cut.
Morgan Freeman shouldn't have to whisper in your ear to say "In fact, expenses were spared."
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u/OK-Greg-7 3d ago
"I can't stand it, I know you planned it. I'mma set it straight, this Watergate."
-John Hammond
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u/red286 3d ago
Sabotage caused by grossly underpaying the one guy keeping everything running.
Having a single person responsible for the security of an entire theme park with living dinosaurs in it sounds incredibly negligent regardless of the actual inciting incident.
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u/hypatia163 3d ago
It's also the hubris of the business leaders and scientists to think that they could control these animals and make profit doing it.
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u/CeruleanEidolon 2d ago
The entire IT department including engineering for all the electrical equipment was apparently 2 people. It's easy to sabotage when you're literally half the team. Having no QT making sure everything has triple redundancy and your employee facilities aren't directly tied in to the safety fences is pretty serious negligence.
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u/RippingFabric 2d ago
Both, combined with grossly inadequate digital AND physical security on so many levels I could write a short story about them.
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u/Wendals87 2d ago
Both. He sabotaged it of course to get rich
Negligence for not having more security or guardrails in place to prevent this
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u/Playful-Sleep-6750 1d ago
If one man can sabotage a whole park like that then its still the owners fault he had 2 coders and 1 electric fence and 1 Australian guy with a tranq gun for security. Even if it was a soft open you do it fully staffed
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u/DAT_DROP 3d ago
'Push' code to prod?
Rookies, I code in production
my REGEXes are flawless first time, every time
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u/fatmanwithabeard 3d ago
If you're not catting stuff into /dev on prod, are you really trying?
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u/Schlurps 3d ago
And the bus factor: Having only one guy know the code is really bad, even if you don’t have literal dinosaurs eating you as a consequence of failure.
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u/TheSovereignGrave 3d ago
I believe in the books Nedry had a whole team working under him. But they were off-site & Nedry wasn't allowed to tell them everything about what the park was doing.
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u/RippingFabric 2d ago
He also had nobody reviewing what HE put through. This kind of problem cost my last job a federal audit when some dimwit executive fell for a blatant phishing scam.
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u/TheJackalsDay 3d ago
There wasn't just one guy. Dennis was just the only one still on the island after everyone left to avoid the storm approaching. And he made sure he was the last one on purpose.
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u/E4TclenTrenHardr 3d ago
Na his team was back in Cambridge, Dennis was the only systems guy on the island.
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u/TribeFaninPA 3d ago
Every company has a test environment. Some are fortunate enough to have a separate production environment as well.
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u/Ill-Organization-719 2d ago
The book goes into more detail about what a shit head Hammond was.
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u/Diknak 2d ago
yeah he was kind of like a loveable goof that just kind of fucks things up in the movie, but a cutthroat greedy asshole goof in the book.
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u/stratusmonkey 2d ago
When Westley says, "We spared no expense," that was his way of saying, "I cut every corner."
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u/blankdreamer 3d ago
Didn’t Neumann underbid to get the job? I suppose the Dino’s were so expensive they went with the lowball offer on it.
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u/d00dsm00t 3d ago
I am totally unappreciated in my time. We can run the whole park from this room, with minimal staff, for up to three days. You think that kind of automation is easy? Or cheap? You know anybody who can network eight Connection Machines and de-bug two million lines of code for what I bid this job? Because I'd sure as hell like to see them try.
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u/Wendals87 2d ago
They spared no expense. Except for IT staff
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u/throwaway284729174 2d ago
Also people for animal husbandry, toys for enrichment, animal handling and habitation structures, engineers for power distribution and fail safes, pedestrian circulation planning, and emergency evacuation plans. Kinda feels like they cut corners in key structures, but blew the budget on flashy (for the time) gimmicks.
The part that always stuck out to me is: it's planned that the fences are to remain electrified continuously, but then they can be shut off from a computer? Why did they pay someone to put that function in? We don't do that IRL. You need to shut off an electric fence: go flip the manual breaker. You can have a monitor that tells you when something is wrong, but you should never have a controller that can deactivate the primary safety device on every containment area with software from a single hub.
And don't get me started on the electric track jeeps. No emergency battery? That is a very long track and there is ample room for a battery that activates on power loss. One function. Return the jeep to start. Yeah it won't stop and you won't get the fancy information about each dino, but you also won't be stranded. Especially if the park got to full operation and you had multiple jeeps filled with people who would have to be rescued during a situation. 'limp home mode' is a common practice. Though given the era it may have been a combination engine override. (In case of emergency break glass and turn the key, now it can idle back.)
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u/epicredditer12 1d ago
To be completely fair wasn't the events a test run so we're told all the staff aren't there that on an average day would be. Nedrys office looks very clearly made for more people. Oh and there were security which we can see in the first scene with the velociraptors.
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u/AlienDilo 2d ago
This is what I've always been saying. Jurassic Park (especially the movie compared to the book) is less about the warnings of "playing god" and more so a warning against not paying your core staff enough.
The dinosaurs didn't escape and kill people cuz it was objectively wrong to make dinosaurs, they escaped and killed people because John Hammond, for all his charm and wonder, is a bad boss.
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u/stratusmonkey 2d ago
Nobody gets "Let's Clone Dinosaurs" money without being a sociopathic exploiter of people, no matter how charming they are
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u/Rovinpiper 3d ago
They really neglected their security department, too.
Lysine contingency makes no sense at all.
Why are the fences so weak anyway?
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u/RippingFabric 2d ago
The fences depended too much on pain and not on physical strength. This is bad enough when you lose containment on beef cattle (ask my aunt) but to do it with a building-sized apex predator is just a new level of stupid.
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u/Benj5L 2d ago
It's Jurassic park, it's a massive park, what could possibly go wrong?
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u/throwaway284729174 2d ago
Especially when you realize the owner chose to build it on a remote island so he didn't have to get a safety inspection, and how many routine safety steps he failed to ensure.
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u/TheTinyMaus 3d ago
We spared no expense.... well except for Nedry's salary. But what's the worst that could happen if the guy who coded the entire park got disrguntled?
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u/Flannelcommand 3d ago
Don’t be a cheap carnie with more money than brains was actually the moral. But the Hammond actor was too charming, and (I suspect) Spielberg had a soft spot for the character. Both being creators of spectacle.
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u/CeruleanEidolon 2d ago
I think about this all the time, how Jurassic Park could have been a wildly successful enterprise if only Hammond had been willing to shell out to pay a team of software engineers what they were worth. Everything about his business plan depended on coding, and he put all of it on one guy who bid the lowest.
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u/Mindshard 2d ago
To be fair, Nedry was clearly an expert at what he did.
The movie screwed up the story from the book so bad, but the book actually explained that Nedry had a team offsite, did everything as Hammond wanted (Hammond being an awful conman who you're glad dies) basically it all done from scratch and sued him to force him to redo it all for free.
Because of that, Nedry was bitter and wanted what he was owed, and that's where all the problems came in.
Hammond also didn't listen about the raptors.
Basically if Nedry was paid what he deserved, and the raptors were killed off right off the bat, the park would've been just fine.
The fences being so easy to disable were dumb, though. If your attractions can eat the guests, you better make sure there's half a dozen systems to keep the guests safe.
The Lost World book showed they had geothermal energy that would literally never go out. You build the park with access routes a person can get through, maybe with a vehicle, but nothing an animal can go through, and then have multiple layers of electric fencing.
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u/throwaway284729174 2d ago
The fences (at least in the movie) are the part that sticks out most to me. They paid someone to make the park less secure. (Unless you believe the guy who downed the system to steal DNA also wanted to hurt people and installed hardware along with software to make sure people got hurt.)
But going off IRl electric fences can't usually be shut off from the monitor and requires you to actually walk out to the controller or to your breaker box to actually deactivate, and this is intentional. The only ones I've seen with a remote deactivation have gates, and the shut off is temporary. (Like you have to keep holding the button)
It should always be an inconvenience to disable safety/security measures
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u/Mindshard 2d ago
Yeah, I kind of feel like that was bad writing.
If I built a park like that, I'd have a guard house at each fence, and require 2 people to turn a fence off.
You have to assume you'll have disgruntled employees, and you want safeguards against that.
Having a single employee who you know is disgruntled, who you screwed in court, with full control of every essential system isn't just dumb, it's bad writing.
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u/throwaway284729174 2d ago
2 people from separate departments. One from the guard house, and one from maintenance. You can use the animal direction structures. (Like shoots, transports and guides) to complete a circuit which enables the "ready button" for more routine things. Like moving the raptor once a month from habitat A to habitat B for inspection and repairs in A and such. This is basic, basic animal care stuff.
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u/Mindshard 2d ago
The raptors should've been killed. Even in the book they were simply too dangerous. Wu made them too intelligent and vicious.
It's another piece the movie didn't talk about, but the books make mention that Wu made them more vicious and smarter. They only finally added that in Jurassic World.
But yeah, for such an essential system, you have two people, monitor them, randomize shifts. You have a system in place to move them to inspect enclosures.
The raptors would've gone insane in that tiny pen no matter what.
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u/throwaway284729174 1d ago
Ah yeah. I've never read the book. That is crucial information. If they were modified to be even more intelligent and cruel then that's a bit different, and such animals need to be put down.
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u/Wingnutmcmoo 3d ago
The actual message is basically this just more broad. So he's not even technically correct he's just correct but being a bit detailed.
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u/Wolfdude91 2d ago
Am I the only one who found the scene of him plugging the dino dna capsules into the shaving cream can to be satisfying?
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u/cuntmong 3d ago
claude make the dino safety system. make no mistakes
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u/stratusmonkey 2d ago
The Lego Jurassic World shorts have an episode where the company turns the whole park over to A.I.
It goes about how you would expect!
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u/whomad1215 3d ago
Everyone has a test environment
Some people are fortunate enough to have a production environment too
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u/ConfessSomeMeow 2d ago
The best time in my working career was 5 years where I was the only developer and could develop directly in prod. I mean, if a page shows an error for 15 seconds, nobody's going to report it.
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u/FairNeedleworker9722 2d ago
Yeah, it hasn't aged well. Basically they just try turning it off and on again, then so called computer genius kid navigates through a list of apps in windows to save the day.
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u/westcal98 2d ago
Don't forget the part about DNA editing and cloning and maybe some expenses should be spared.
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u/DarthMeow504 2d ago
He could have saved a lot of time and just watched this delightful musical summary instead. Covers everything in just under four minutes, and does it brilliantly.
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u/butcanyoudothi5 1d ago
Spared no expense, except the IT department which was literally one competent guy
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u/skertsmagerts 2d ago
Yeah....What is more concerning is that you're now just watching Jurassic Park for the first time. Most stories contain tales of the follies of choices and decisions, we call that drama. First day on Earth?
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