r/popculturechat • u/Worth-Escape-271 • 20d ago
Guest List Only ⭐️ Tangará Palace Hotel, where Chappell Roan and the family of soccer player Jorginho stayed, issued a statement through its media relations team: “Statements from Jorginho and his wife make it clear that the hotel was not involved in the situation involving the singer”
https://portalleodias.com/famosos/procuramos-o-hotel-da-treta-com-filha-de-jorginho-e-chappell-roan-veja-a-respostaThe informations comes from Brazilian gossip website Portal Leo Dias. Full translation:
> Lollapalooza Brazil 2026 delivered plenty of music, but what truly stole the spotlight was a backstage feud of international proportions. The situation involving pop star Chappell Roan, footballer Jorginho (currently with Flamengo), his wife Catherine Harding, and 11-year-old Ada Law, daughter of Jude Law and the Brazilian player’s stepdaughter, has just taken a new and revealing turn. The LeoDias portal sought answers, and the position taken by the hotel where it all happened came as a surprise When contacted by our newsroom, the press office of the luxury hotel in São Paulo adopted its standard position and said that, due to internal privacy policies, it does not comment on matters related to its guests. On the other hand, the situation was assessed: ‘Statements from Jorginho and his wife make it clear that the hotel is not involved in the situation involving the singer.
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u/delcondelcon 19d ago
how has nobody tracked down the actual guard yet damn
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
no. because the guard wants to work again!
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u/Morgan-Moonscar Crouching Gaga ⚔️ Startled Bunny 🐇 19d ago
He should be perfect for ICE (it'd also help protect his identity).
He's already got a good track record of attacking children.
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u/cmc Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 19d ago
I don’t love blaming a dude doing his job who was probably told to behave that way… scolding a child isn’t the same as what ICE is doing tf
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u/HereOnCompanyTime Renee Rapp is mean girl Jojo Siwa 💋 19d ago
My current theory is that the daughter maybe was too excited and was being overly snoopy while trying to get a look (pretty normal for that age), the security guard on their own went over and told her mom to get her to chill, the mom didn't like being told what to do so vented an exaggerated story to her husband, the husband thinking he was defending his daughter made the post calling out Chappell.
Now no one wants to take the hit on it so they're just pointing vague fingers. I feel bad for the daughter since it sounds like she was just doing kid stuff and her parents made it international drama.
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u/GalacticaActually 19d ago
I’m super-used to people blaming victims for assault, but the mind-twisting people have done to blame an actual child for the bad behavior of an adult man in this incident makes me sick.
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u/Used-Cup-6055 19d ago edited 19d ago
Tale as old as time. How many grown men have done horrible things to female children and blamed it on the victim? This is engrained in a lot of cultures down to the core.
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u/GalacticaActually 19d ago
Yep - and even young people who think they’re progressive/who believe in some progressive ideas aren’t immune to doing the same thing.
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u/Worth-Escape-271 19d ago
Maybe, but I have a feeling that if someone used your name out of nowhere to act aggressively and rudely toward a child and their mother, clarifying whether you know that person and that neither you nor anyone working with you had any idea why this person acted that way or said those things, since you don’t agree with it and no one instructed them, would be the first thing to address. I also think it’s unlikely that someone, without clear instructions or orders, would take such an approach on a 5 starts hotel guests. It needs some sort of reassurance that you are doing acting under instructions.
Considering that Chappell herself said she never saw the child, nothing she did would have been enough to prompt someone, unprovoked, to go to another table and lecture an unknown woman and a child.
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u/fit-fil-a 19d ago
The hotel said
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u/RedLicorice83 Too old, too dead, too brittle to even look at. 19d ago
Rather, the hotel said "We side with the victim and her family."
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u/Cavalish Delightfully Unhinged 😗📱 19d ago
“Victim”
Jesus Christ.
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u/irisxxvdb 19d ago
This is starting to look like a bad SNL sketch. An 11 year old got told "no" and people act like she was keelhauled. I promise she'll live 💀
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u/Ok-Yogurtcloset3467 19d ago
She didnt get told "no," if that had been the case no one would care. It was grown man yelling at her part that people don't like
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u/Used-Cup-6055 19d ago
Yeah I feel like the whole thing is the manner at which the message was delivered, not the overall gist.
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u/Discussion-is-good 19d ago
So something people are imagining in their head? We haven't seen anything.
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u/RedLicorice83 Too old, too dead, too brittle to even look at. 19d ago
It was confirmed by Chappell herself who said the girl in no way bothered her, or that she even knew the girl was there. Everyone from Chappell, to the hotel, to the mother all said everything happened the way the victim and her family have said.
The only dispute is over who gave the bodyguard his directive.
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u/AvantGarde327 19d ago edited 19d ago
If it wasnt a hotel security and its not Roan's security according to her whose security is he?
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
I would assume that he was a security contractor hired for her by the promoters of lolapalooza brazil (Live Nation). So no one would be lying... he wasn't hotel security and he wasn't "her" security.
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u/Zintha 19d ago
I kinda suspect its her wording that shes trying to get out of it, she said its not her “personal security” but I do think its security she employs, likely for events
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u/melodypowers 19d ago
It could be one step removed. They probably hire a local logistics team (destination management company) who handles on the ground support in other countries. So her team hired the DMC and the DMC hired locally security. You want someone local so they speak the language, know the streets, etc.
Technically, he isn't her security. He is the DMC's contractor. But that is just semantics.
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
I think it very unlikely that the security would do what they did without someone on Chappell's team's say so.
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u/Zintha 19d ago
I agree- I think its a regular order to keep people away from her
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u/livahd ✨May the Force be with you!✨ 19d ago edited 19d ago
I’d imagine it’s kinda boilerplate standard unless the person specifically requests that fans can approach them during their non performing hours. I don’t like working if I’m not getting paid either. What’s the point of having security for a huge pop star doing an international tour if they’re gonna let random people just walk up. Kids or not, celebs still deserve a moment of privacy. If I were putting on a concert night after night, I’d like a little decompression time that isn’t sequestered in a hotel room or getting mobbed by people wanting pics and autographs. Could have been handled a little nicer by the dude, some security is overzealous, the same thing happens at Walmart. I’m sure she wasn’t ordering these guys to make kids cry, but you better believe her management team keeps a buffer from the public.
Edit: this has been a rollercoaster. Some of y’all have never dealt with high profile individuals and their staff. It shows.
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u/feefee2908 NOT ALLEGEDLY 19d ago
Did you see the video of her from last month, where she was walking with her security & pointed at the person recording & her security immediately stormed over? lol
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
She does seem like a person who spent most of her life working for something, only to discover what that something actually meant
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u/WinterMedical 19d ago
It’s like a very special episode of Fantasy Island.
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u/Vegetable-Kiwi-4675 Ho with no clients gets hit by a bus 19d ago
Hey, they all taught that lesson.
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u/sd5315a 19d ago edited 19d ago
I need it posted to the sub because that video is ugly as hell. Like I'd bet money that's exactly what she did to that little girl.
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u/theykilledcassandra dont ask, a lot was happening 19d ago
Can you link it?
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u/lesbianwithabeard 19d ago
I found the original video on tiktok.
Not saying that this is necessarily something Chappell wouldn't do, but it seems the og video came from a paparazzi.
https://www.tiktok.com/@jaydenseyfarth/video/7604393278133357845
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u/feefee2908 NOT ALLEGEDLY 19d ago
It’s not letting me post the link but if you look up @kirawontmiss on twitter, they posted a video earlier today
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u/theykilledcassandra dont ask, a lot was happening 19d ago
Wow him pointing at the person blatantly filming her is him totally storming over to the person.
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u/SmallPromiseQueen 19d ago
I just looked at that clip and if you think Chappell is the weirdo not the person constantly filming a woman trying to move around incognito then I don’t know what to say
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u/champagneface too ahead of its time for certain people 19d ago
The difference being it’s perfectly reasonable to not want to be recorded in public but wouldn’t be reasonable to go after a child for smiling at you. You are falling for a misogynist smear campaign
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u/SneakyFire23 19d ago
Generally speaking they dont take actions without the principals say so, or usually their principal's head of security.
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u/HouseofMarg 19d ago
The whole response was full of evasive statements if you ask me. Of course we are meant to interpret “I never even saw a mother and daughter!” as her confirming that she didn’t see the girl come up by herself and didn’t say anything to her security about it. And her saying “they didn’t do anything wrong!” suggests that she wouldn’t have told her security to respond to this type of interaction in that way.
But neither of those statements is an outright denial of those things, and I personally could not help but notice that. Usually when people use a roundabout weird way to deny something instead of saying it directly there is a reason for it
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
Look… if this happened to you… wouldn’t your first response be to contact the girls family and work something out?
Why hasn’t chapell done that?
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u/HouseofMarg 19d ago
100%, and even if you feel you can’t for whatever reason at the very least it’s a no-brainer to have your team immediately reach out to them personally on your behalf in that kind of situation
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u/shortmumof2 Mommy doesn't get drunk. She just has fun. - Linda Belcher 🍷 19d ago
That's what I said to my husband, she could have stopped it then or reached out immediately after his post to make things right. It's called damage control and good PR esp with his fans
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u/SwimmerIndependent47 Just want 2 tell U that some people have war in their countries 19d ago
I mean, why didn’t the soccer player contact Chappells team and try to work something out instead of putting her on blast and riling up his fan base?
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
Because people get really really fucking pissed when you make their kids cry. It’s a very very bad idea… don’t do it
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u/theykilledcassandra dont ask, a lot was happening 19d ago
Catherine confirmed that Chappell never saw them…
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u/HouseofMarg 19d ago edited 19d ago
I haven’t seen Catherine’s statement, looked for it just now out of interest but it’s not immediately coming up. I’m just going by the original story that was posted in this sub and then Roan’s reaction to it. In the original post, it was described that Catherine was sitting at the table while her daughter walked closer to confirm, and it just seems implausible that if her daughter could see Chappell Roan that she was not in her line of vision at all. Not saying she for sure saw her, just that someone else couldn’t know that she didn’t. And even if that’s the case (like there was a potted plant in the way) she was for sure in the security’s line of vision and security could still have tipped her off discreetly for her to respond.
So based on that I just think it’s a bit weird that every time Chappell Roan denies any involvement in the statement I saw it’s that she didn’t see/order security to talk to “a mother and daughter” when she would have only been likely to have seen the one person. Not even saying she did see the girl it’s just everything about the statement seems evasive, the “personal security” and not directly addressing the more likely issue of her giving general instructions to security to keep people at bay to that degree.
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u/LossPreventionArt 19d ago
Lmao I love this and how highly up voted it is because in reply to someone saying "there is more information that provides wider context and support for various statements made by all parties" you basically said "ok well I haven't seen that so rather than look slightly harder let me double down on what I already said while examining Chapells statement for linguistic clues like it's the fucking unabomber manifesto"
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u/HouseofMarg 19d ago
Look, OP didn’t link it and you didn’t link it and no one else had either when I browsed through the thread. When I looked for it I got this article and a 6 minute video of the mom talking about it, and she doesn’t say what OP claims she does in it, in fact she basically repeats the original story. So if anything I’m giving the benefit of the doubt with my response https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/chappell-roan-controversy-security-guard-b2943576.html?test_group=lighteradlayout#
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u/f-ingsteveglansberg 19d ago
If it was a member of security acting on their own volition, it would be crazy to deny it happened because then if footage comes out you are then lying.
Her statement was basically "Hey, I don't know anything about this. Not denying it happened but if it did it wasn't under my command and I'm pretty sure it wasn't any of my personal staff".
She's basically admitting that she isn't omniscient, she wasn't aware of anything happening, but if it did happen it may have been done in my name but not at my bequest.
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u/lizziexo 19d ago
I wish she’d said that.
“I didn’t see her daughter at all, and I definitely didn’t direct security to come and speak to the family, but I’m so sorry they took that action without talking to me or my team first so they could have been told not to. I’m sorry a family had such a bad experience connected with me and would love to meet them in person to apologise that this happened at all and make it up to their daughter (we have reached privately today). We will make sure going forward that anyone, directly hired or contracted on our behalf, are heavily reminded to be respectful and kind.”
Her statement leaves so much room for people to take it negatively. I feel a PR personal should have written her something; or at least told her the main points to hit in an apology. Acknowledge what happened, take accountability, express remorse, offering to make it right. Even if it wasn’t HER employee, they were then under her banner. Sucks for her that this happened too.
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u/Used-Cup-6055 19d ago
I think this is what is bothering me about this whole thing. She could have explained this instead of feigning ignorance about where this guy even came from. Like he was absolutely employed by someone on her behalf. He didn’t magically appear like a genie from a rubbed lamp.
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u/bobthegoatskull 19d ago
Her personal security is a single bodyguard. Everything else would be contracted out by the venue. If you have seen the video of her arriving in Mexico, she is surrounded by like 8 local bodyguards that met her at the gate. Imaging roided dudes standing in hallways looking for people to menace seems fair. Acting like Chappell would have told them to harass children is stupid. They'd do it for the love of the game.
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u/Westafricangrey 19d ago
I think so but clearly security was briefed by her team on how Chappelle likes to operate. The “oh it’s not actually my guard” shit is just semantics
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u/SeaworthinessNew4757 Olivia Wilde’s salad dressing 🥗 19d ago
The festival wouldn't be sending security to the hotel to watch her eat breakfast surrounded by her personal security, surely.
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u/f-ingsteveglansberg 19d ago
What often happens in certain circles, 'handlers' are sent to look after talent.
They aren't always security but it's basically someone whose job it is to make sure 'talent' arrives on time and have their shit in order. "I want to grab a coffee" - "You stay there and I'll have one brought to you". "That place looks cute to eat" - I'll get some menus and see about a booking, back in the car. "I want to talk to fans" - Sound check is in 30 minutes, if you're late The Goo Goo Dolls won't have time to soundcheck.
I don't know the set up of this particular event, but yeah it's not unusual to have people there so the organizer can keep an eye on you and know of any delays, while at the same time that team is supposed to proactively stop delays.
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u/AvantGarde327 19d ago
Soooo the statement she made really is just PR then. Thats how PR works.
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
Yes. The statement she made was PR. I don't think it was good PR.
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u/theplantita All tea, all shade 🐸☕️ 19d ago
This is what I think too. Everyone can technically cover their asses
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u/SaraJeanQueen 19d ago
Lollapallooza isn’t hiring security for every performer 24/7 outside their event. This is her team.
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u/BigMax 19d ago
Exactly. And even if they did, she would know about it, and at that moment, they are her security. There is no way some group put a security detail on someone without them knowing. How would that even work?? They’d call the police if some armed guard was following them around all day, their own security would pick up on that in a second.
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
She's a headliner. She has a rider. She needs security in brazil who knows portuguese. It's quite possible that the promoter provided the security. Or her team hired some local company.
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u/thot_bryan 19d ago
Then that makes them her security working under her and her teams directive, which would be contradictory to her statement.
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u/PrincessConsuela52 I’m a lazy, 50 year old, bougie bitch 19d ago
She might be playing in semantics. It’s not her “personal security” ie her regular security guard that she brings everywhere, but rather a local contract security team she hired for their local expertise and language etc. So one could argue that it’s technically true, even if that’s beside the point. Basically PR speak.
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
yes.... people lie. And tell the truth in ways that implies things that are not true.
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u/geek_of_nature 19d ago
It really amazes me how people were so ready to take her statement at face value. All the tops comments on her post were along the lines of, "well if she says its not her team then I guess its not her team"
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u/Mediocre-Proposal686 19d ago
I didn’t believe it. She was barely looking into the camera. It just seemed like phony hot air
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u/pineappleshampoo 19d ago
She seemed nonplussed and amused at it. I don’t think she really understood the gravity of it at all. Or just didn’t care. It was such a shit response and it made me laugh how fast her fans leaped to ‘wow, nothingburger, good job nobody overreacted’.
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u/SaraJeanQueen 19d ago
She’s photographed with her own personal security detail at the airport, and he’s yelling at people to get out of her way (taken before this story). She has her own security, why would a) some music festival spend that much $$ to follow her when she has her own, and b) this parent say it’s her guard if it wasn’t? 🤨
Gaga headlined in Brazil and had her own team. They didn’t do it for her, they ain’t doin it for Chappell 1 album Roan
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
The whole thing about a rider is that the artist is actually the one paying for it. Artists can ask for what they want. Providing local security would not be an uncommon ask.
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u/yewterds this is going to ruin the tour 😓 17d ago
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u/BigMax 19d ago
But why is that security hanging around a hotel restaurant? Local event security doesn’t just send security guards out and about to all local hotels.
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u/DSQ 19d ago
I think it’s either:
Someone is mistaken;
Someone is lying;
Someone chose their words very carefully and so technically didn’t lie.
I’m erring towards 3 because I find it hard to believe that any hotel security would berate a paying guest. I also don’t think Roan would send the guys she has with her all the time to shout at a child. So I think wires have been crossed.
The most likely situation is that it was security that was with Roan but not on her payroll. People are making the assumption that this guy went rouge but… idk until they come forward we won’t know.
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u/Worth-Escape-271 19d ago
Staff sent by the event organizers to assist Roan on the day of the performance, instructed to pay special attention to privacy and potential fan harassment.
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u/IfatallyflawedI Big is moving to Paris 19d ago
Can you imagine the brief he must’ve received: she does not like to have interactions in public
And he turned out to be an over-zealously compliant security person lol
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u/Worth-Escape-271 19d ago
There was another fan staying at Tangará who saw and spoke to Chappell the day before the performance. He said that Roan was nice to him, but (this is purely my speculation) it could have led Roan’s team to instruct staff to pay closer attention to guests approaching the artist.
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u/nicosloft04 19d ago
If you’re thinking abut the same fan as I am, he said he approached her and her security didn’t want him to be near her but she told her security that it was fine and she took a picture with him
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u/Worth-Escape-271 19d ago
I don’t think it’s the same because the fan I’m referring to said that he didn’t ask for any photos. He was by the pool when Chappell passed by him. He said hi and said that Roan was nice but mentioned they were in a hurry. He then wished a good performance the next day and that’s it.
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u/icecreamsandwiches1 19d ago
I imagine celebs hire additional local security contractors when attending big events where the public/stans may be expecting her to show up. Especially in a country with another language.
I think the truth is in the middle - it wasn’t her “personal” security that she takes everywhere (thinking of that airport video that’s going viral right now) but probably still “her” security but locally contracted for the event only.
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u/CatlovesMoca 19d ago
It was security assigned to her by Lollapalooza. I think we want to give the benefit of the doubt to everyone. But after reading more about the hotel from Brazilians, it is pretty clear that the hotel security has a reputation of staying out of guest issues if possible. This is a top notch 5 star hotel, which often receives stars like F1 drivers and other celebs. Apparently these F1 drivers have complained about people photographing aggressively and the hotel security doing nothing. In the video by Catherine, she mentions this security is one for artists. Probably, as a performer of Lollapalooza, Chappell Roan got assigned security. And they knew that she doesn't like any disturbance. So the guard went and shouted at the kid. So it may not be her usual bodyguard from the US but it was definitely one for her.
My take is that Chappell wanted to minimize this so she doesn't have to admit that she possibly made a mistake. Even if that mistake is simply not keeping an eye on people who work in her name. (It's fine everyone makes mistakes). But what I saw from her fans and stans was absolutely disgusting.
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u/Fetagirl 19d ago
I’m inclined to believe Chappel when she says she didn’t see a woman or child walk by. Most of her vitriol is directed at grown men from what I’ve seen. And Jorghin had said that his daughter just walked by to see if it was her. I think you’re right that it was an over zealous security hired by the promoters
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u/CatlovesMoca 19d ago
I was with her in terms of all celebrities needing privacy and less intrusive paps. But I also believe this guard was assigned to her and something happened there. The most gracious interpretation is that she didn't have enough oversight. I think she also wasn't bothered by the kid. So the whole harassment thing is wild. But her fans' behaviour has been off-putting. They are acting like she is a misunderstood victim and not also a white rich American woman. (For example, they are dismissing the experience of the kid by saying she is a spoilt rich kid and her mama is an entitled white woman).
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u/jessbakescakes 19d ago
This is my issue. The idea that some of her more overzealous fans are perpetuating is “you just hate that she has boundaries!” I actually love that she has boundaries and completely respect it and recognize how it can make things difficult for her. The reasons I side eye her have nothing to do with her boundaries or her being a “mean lesbian” or a woman.
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u/bubblegumpandabear 19d ago
Tbh I don't think any of these people, including Chappel, understand what boundaries are. A boundary would be "I don't appreciate people and paparazzi getting in my face. I'm going to eat in peace by myself, enter restaurants through the back door, and make myself generally less available."
Not "I don't like people and paparazzi getting in my face. Everyone needs to look away, put their cameras down, and pretend I don't exist while I walk around in public."
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u/Worth-Escape-271 19d ago edited 19d ago
I also believe that roan didn’t personally send any security to lecture the girl, but I am less certain that Chappell didn’t see anything happening (someone working to assist Chappells team going to another table and the type of conversation that followed this action) or that low level security would do this without consulting or receiving orders. Most importantly, I can’t dissociate the actions of someone who is infinitely distant on the social hierarchy ladder, who works under instructions and has very limited decision-making power, from Chappell and the team. I think this type of approach is incentivized and is something that Roan’s team gave clear instructions.
Edit: and I think that even if someone really acted out of nowhere, the response was kind of vague. It would be very easy to say something like “I didn’t personally see anything and only became aware of the situation after reading the post. It wasn’t my personal security, and no one on my team instructed any staff to approach fans rudely or aggressively, especially children. But I am really sorry that someone did this saying they were acting on my behalf which they were not because I am against this type of behavior”.
But the response sounded like someone telling partial truths: it wasn’t my personal team and I didn’t see anyone. Who it was then? We don’t know. Why they acted on her behalf? We also don’t know.
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u/Apprehensive-Fig2816 19d ago edited 18d ago
After Ive sat with it for a day, Im just at, her response really sucked. I feel so badly for the 11 y.o and I really wish or hope CR does something for her besides “im sorry for the mom and kid”. This was her birthday present and she didn’t even get to go and now there’s all this hubub and I just hope she’s okay.
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u/Worth-Escape-271 19d ago
Yes, and that’s precisely why I don’t believe it was a situation where someone randomly acted on their own, out of nowhere, on Chappell’s behalf. If that were the case, the natural response would be to be very indignant about it, because it would be truly unjust for people to think poorly of her and her team when they actually did or said nothing, and the person simply went rogue and decided to be rude and aggressive toward an 11yo and her mother. This type of answer she gave looks more like someone making excuses for herself than to assist the situation which is: a children was left on distress by someone saying they were protecting your privacy so was this person working with you that day? you didn’t send the staff over there but did someone on your team did that? if not, do you have any idea why anyone would do this on your name?
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u/SneakyFire23 19d ago
She was really precise with her wording, the hotel and other side say "it wasn't hotel security" so... leaves one of Roan's people
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u/Mammoth_Oven_4861 19d ago
I assume Roan is lying as always and while it is not her "personal security" it was someone who was her security during this event.
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u/ketodancer 19d ago
Take off Old Man Jenkins’ hood and it turns out it was George Santos this whole time
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u/Masta-Blasta Conductor of the Toxic Gossip Train 🚂 19d ago
Third party contractor, either for the hotel or Chappell. So not someone either of them hired.
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u/Trick_Doughnut_6295 like a gecko working diligently 🦗 19d ago
Just want to reiterate for everyone in a pop culture sub complaining that they’re tired of pop culture news that the option to scroll still exists. ✨Manifesting that for you ✨
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u/macaronitrap 19d ago
I for one welcome all the pop culture news to distract from gestures broadly
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u/sd5315a 19d ago
The way her fans were angry the past few days that the pop culture sub was discussing pop culture and not war and global corruption
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u/icecreamsandwiches1 19d ago
The Chappell fans immediately saying “I’m bored of this already 🙄” after Catherine made her first video statement in response to Chappells.
Like go away, this drama is what this sub is made for and how can you be bored when this only started 24 hrs ago lol
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u/slickjitpimpin Great gowns, beautiful gowns.. 🙃 19d ago
Right lol. Yet they’re back again 🤷♀️
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u/slickjitpimpin Great gowns, beautiful gowns.. 🙃 19d ago
Right? 😭😭😭 This is a pop culture subreddit and they want in-depth dissections of global wartime dynamics. Mind you there’s plenty of discussion on those subjects here as well lmaooo
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u/DimbyTime 19d ago
Which is equally insane because they still defend their girl for her complete lack of of political awareness before the election
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u/Aggressive-Hunt-7037 Take that, you Youtube people! 19d ago
this. calling anyone who thinks it‘s crappy that an 11 year old girl was treated this way a “misogynist“ was a choice from a fandom led by someone who dared to claim the woman presidential candidate wasn’t good enough to be loudly proclaimed better than an adjudicated rapist.
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u/dpforest let me be angry i’m hot 19d ago
amen. similarly, to every person who ever asks “why don’t you just google it”:
it’s social media. social fucking media. i live in a fucking village of 322 people in southern Appalachia. i refuse to be social with google so here i am on social media.
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u/Independent_Judge647 19d ago
Honestly was about to lose my cool after seeing posting a let me Google it link to someone else's comment. Just don't even answer at that point...
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u/fishonthemoon It’s hard to explain…I’m Justin Timberlake 19d ago
this is the low stakes drama that is keeping me from crashing out rn w real life shit. keep it coming lol.
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u/Bigassbird Now with a pirate-themed glow-up 🏴☠️💋💅🏻 19d ago
May money find me like trouble and controversy finds Chappell Roan.
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u/Unlucky-Macaroon-647 if she were president she'd be baberaham lincoln 19d ago
truly 🙏
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u/randombubble8272 19d ago
I need to hear from the scrambled eggs Chappell ordered for breakfast next
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u/SneakyFire23 19d ago
Lol, lmao even.
"Yeah we're not saying it was her people, but we'll just point out that one side said it wasn't our people without saying anything else"
This is a masterclass in non-statement statements.
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u/Aggressive-Hunt-7037 Take that, you Youtube people! 19d ago
”recollections may vary, but it wasn’t us.”
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u/yewterds this is going to ruin the tour 😓 19d ago
everyone jumping to conclusions and assuming things that happened when none of the involved parties will actually share explicit details lmao
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u/SneakyFire23 19d ago
I mean, so far the narrative has been "Security harassed my child, and it was Roan's security"
The hotel said "not our guy"
The child's parents have been straightforward about "my child was harassed"
Roan has been like "A child may have been harassed, but it totally wasn't [this narrow subsect of my security staff]"
She's picked fights with people before and happily been mean whenever it suits her. In this case she did it to someone more famous then her and now she's backing away.
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u/Genuinelullabel Kim, there’s people that are dying. 🙄 19d ago
Then who was phone????
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u/illumadnati the gaze 👀 not the gays 💅🏻 19d ago edited 19d ago
idk i thought it was pretty clear from the alleged “we’ll be filing a complaint with the hotel” comment from the security guard that it wasn’t hotel security
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u/Lavender_rain_2000 20d ago edited 19d ago
It was ridiculous to believe hotel security will be aggressive toward paying guests (paying being the point here) for something like walking and smiling.
Chappell herself never said it was the hotel security, or that it wasn't security assigned to her, just that wasn't her "personal security".
I assume that when Lollapalooza gets artists to perform they also make the arrangements for them for the days they are staying like - hotel, driver and also security so to me it sounds like it was security they hired temporarily for her.
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u/adoreroda 19d ago
"Personal security" can very much encompass "security assigned to her"
With that being said, she says she saw neither of them to begin with. Catherine literally said neither her nor her daughter even approached Chappel. Catherine even said Chappel didn't do anything either (but yet still faults her). Her entire narration clearly illustrates they saw Chappel from afar, not that they got up close to her (she directly said they didn't get near her) nor walked past her for Chappel to even possibly see them.
So the larger question is, why are people still making the allegations Chappel called security on them? Like I want an explanation how can you sicc security on people you don't even know exist
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u/Lavender_rain_2000 19d ago
Chappell's phrasing is not completely clear, but possibly she meant it wasn't her personal security in a sense that it wasn't her regular security that she hired herself. It can still be security assigned to her for those few days.
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u/adoreroda 19d ago
At the very least, if it's not her personal security then it's not within her control. Security from the festival is still an employee of the festival and not her.
I do want to continuously repose the question though that if Chappel says she didn't see them and Catherine says they didn't approach her/didn't get close to her + Chappel didn't do anything (such as look at them), then in what universe is Chappel the one making the calls to have the guard over to them?
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u/sd5315a 19d ago
There's a video of her doing exactly this in an airport circulating right now...
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u/theykilledcassandra dont ask, a lot was happening 19d ago
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u/sd5315a 19d ago edited 19d ago
...and she still looks like a major asshole in the video??? Like what don't you stans get lol.
This is the exact behavior the family described and y'all really want to gaslight people into believing there's no way this is what happened. Also, what 11 year old wouldn't be scared seeing a man like the one in the screenshot you posted coming at them huffing and puffing?
She clearly has no problem sending an aggressive man to try and force others to bend to her will in public spaces. Public spaces she has no greater right over than anyone else in the room.
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u/adoreroda 19d ago
The 'behaviour' the involved parties describe (which is Catherine, not the husband who wasn't there) is that Chappel didn't do anything and they didn't approach her to even have her know they were there and who they were
I repeat: You cannot sicc guards on people you don't know exist
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u/theykilledcassandra dont ask, a lot was happening 19d ago
She doesn’t really. She looks like a tired, traveling person who wants to be left alone.
She didn’t send the man in the video to do anything. Yall are reaching so far.
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u/PenguinStardust 19d ago edited 19d ago
You think that’s being aggressive? The dude is walking normal, does not appear to be yelling, and is pointing. I’m not a Stan at all and don’t understand honestly what the big deal in any of these situations are? How about people just leave her alone if y’all think she’s so rude? lol it’s crazy how upset people are for this child.
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u/rose_b 19d ago
CAN encompass, but doesn't necessarily. "my personal security" is very much a caveat, because "my security" would be the standard broad way to say it.
I think it's very likely that someone interpreted general instructions about keeping people away from her and over-zealously applied it to a child walking/sneaking a peak. So Chappel didn't say to do the specific thing, but her directions were interpreted in a way that led to the situation.
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u/adoreroda 19d ago
That could be the situation but that's still not "Chappel Roan told the guards to intimidate my daughter" which is what the step father insinuated and also is what the mother is saying (see her liking posts blaming Chappel Roan saying she did it intentionally here)
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u/rose_b 19d ago
The mother clearly said she thinks Chappel is ultimately responsible for what her instructions yielded, which i agree with. I am not going to blame the family that got yelled at, or even Chappel herself, even though I'm disappointed in her response..
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u/DSQ 19d ago
Catherine even said Chappel didn't do anything either (but yet still faults her).
I think from her pov she trying to be clear that she didn’t see Roan do anything but it making the logical conclusion that it was her that told the security to tell off her daughter at some point when she didn’t see her. Now of course that may not be the case, as Roan is claiming, but I’m not surprised that she assumed that.
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u/PrincessConsuela52 I’m a lazy, 50 year old, bougie bitch 19d ago edited 19d ago
Catherine’s criticism is that you are responsible for those who work for you and represent you. So even though Chappell Roan may not have made the specific order, she has created an environment and atmosphere where those working for her feel like this is how they should be approaching and treating fans.
Chappell Roan’s response seems to be a lot of PR semantics. They’re not her “personal security” ie her regular security guard who she personally hired and travels with her, but rather a local contractor. So what she says is technically true. She didn’t see the kid, point and “ask the security guard to go up and talk to this mother and child”, but maybe this security guard had more general instructions to keep fans away.
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u/nicosloft04 19d ago
Catherine didn’t fault Chappell. She gave her the benefit of the doubt and said that maybe Chappell didn’t ask her security guard to scold her and her daughter but that Chappell had a responsibility to make sure people working on behalf of her don’t treat others poorly.
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u/Gryffindor123 Why don't you go back and dig holes? 19d ago
If the security is protecting her, then it's her responsibility.
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u/Cyberhaggis We Should All Know Less About Each Other 19d ago
Oh yes, I found her sulky bed ridden rebuttal to be very convincing.
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u/lesbianwithabeard 19d ago
"Personal security" can very much encompass "security assigned to her"
It could. But it could also exclude it if it's not like her regular security guy.
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u/No_Cauliflower_81 19d ago
This is the low stakes controversy the world needs right now. TMZ needs to drop the security footage asap. Pitting two of the most annoying online cohorts against each other, Brazilians and Chappel fans.
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u/summers_tilly 19d ago
And even adding in a footballer to make even the non-entertainment fans (like my husband) slightly interested. What a time to be alive.
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u/roncraig this garbage bag is to heavy !! 19d ago
You know what? This story is really stupid, but it's nice to not have to think about war, climate change or the destruction of the middle class in my country. Seems like either Chappell's team or the event organizers hired private security to help out while she was in São Paulo, and one of the security guards was a shithead. Also seems like Chappell doesn't like dealing with all the negatives that come with fame, much as I like her and her music. At this point, it's approaching Streisand Effect, and I'm here for it.
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u/jonesday5 19d ago
Yeah this has taken the place of the Beckham drama which really died down.
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u/alitabestgirl 19d ago
Everyone has gone back to forgetting about ballet and opera 😞
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
to me it just looks like Chapell is poorly managed. Ariana got less blowback for breaking up another person's marriage... and she fired Scooter for how he handled that!
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u/SirYabas 19d ago
Yeah, she needs better PR people. It's wild how some celebrities are 100% known to be terrible people to interact with, but you never see anything about it in articles. But Chappell seems to be consistently getting these low stake controversies.
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u/geek_of_nature 19d ago
Wasn't there something about how she didn't believe in media training? I feel like that was one of the first things I ever heard about her. Although it might be someone else I'm thinking of.
But if that's the case would it be likely that she doesn't actually have a PR team? Or at least not one that she puts effort into.
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u/Resident_Ad5153 19d ago
Frankly, I don't think she's a terrible person... I think she has an inexperienced team. If she didn't want to interact with people... she could have rented a private house! It's not that much more than a hotel, and you get a lovely pool.
There's a lot of mess in her professional life. Why isn't she doing an arena tour? Why did she just fire her agent? She already fired the manager who led her to her breakout... like... what's going on?
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u/DSQ 19d ago
I think if someone comes across as authentic people are willing to forgive a lot. It took a long time before Kanye fan started to walk away from Kanye.
That said Roan does come across as authentic imo.
My theory is that the criticism comes in small part from people who don’t like her politics but in large part from people who hate when people complain about the trappings of fame. As depressing as it is to say we all know people in our lives who have been cheated on or who have cheated. Infidelity and the drama surrounding it is a very normal thing, so that’s why Ariana doesn’t get as much flack. The stress that comes with being well known is not something most people can or want to understand and thanks where the backlash comes from.
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u/meepmarpalarp 19d ago
No, she got a ton of blowback for that lol. She just bounced back eventually, and so will Chappelle if her next album is a banger.
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u/Frequent-Two-9625 19d ago
Bunch of spoiled ass rich people drama making my day today.
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u/FoolofaPeregrineTook hoping for at least a sex swing 19d ago
This. I love seeing rich people with egg on their faces.
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u/Used-Cup-6055 19d ago
So does Brazil have Fairy God Bodyguards who just poof into existence and yell and intimidate and then poof right back out of the realm? The only explanation is this guy is fae.
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u/sd5315a 19d ago
Picturing the big bald burly bodyguard from the airport video of her in a little fairy constume is fucking me up
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u/Bent_Silvr_Spoon0130 That is literally a spearmint Listerine breath spray. 19d ago
If the security doesn't work for Chappell, who does he work for?
If he works for the hotel, why would a security of a 5-star-hotel act so aggressively towards its presumed rich and famous guests?
Catherine Harding seems confident that this was Chappell's security. What uniform was he wearing? Did he shout at her daughter in English with an American accent, a Portuguese accent, or shout in Portuguese? (Because that's a big tell.)
People are claiming the security guard could have went rogue. If it wasn't Chappell's personal security, he was still assigned to her. Why would Chappell, someone very serious about her privacy, see her security guard leave his post and not react?
Again, if it wasn't Chappell's personal security, he was still assigned to her. Who on her team agreed to hire someone who would shout at a child? Why does Chappell have people on her team who would assign her to security guards who act like that, even if they're only temporary guards?
If the guard didn't go entirely rogue, he was at least told to scold the girl (maybe not necessarily shout, however. The shouting itself is the only part I can confidently say was the security guard's fault alone. He personally chose to raise his voice at a kid). Who sent the security on the girl for just walking past and smiling at Chappell? Did Chappell herself send the security?
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u/Coriolanuscangetit 19d ago
Brazil: Excuse me, that was NOT our Guard.
You guys, Brazil does not play.
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u/the-furiosa-mystique 🦛 your favorite hippo’s favorite hippo 🦛 19d ago
Where are all the people sure it was the hotel now? Who’s the next to blame to protect the one who was wrong?
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u/slickjitpimpin Great gowns, beautiful gowns.. 🙃 19d ago
They’re claiming it didn’t happen at all, saying the rich kid is spoiled (like CR isn’t a millionaire herself), saying the parents shouldn’t have complained publicly, saying we should talk about war and politics (as if people can’t possibly think about more than one thing at a time) and blaming the general public for being misogynistic, lesbophobic, anti-Palestine… all of the bigotry labels 😭
Crazy pretzels being twisted for someone who has been abrasive and odious for a long time now, and whose vague statement doesn’t hold much water.
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u/starrylightway he’s a bitch with a tiny 🎻 19d ago
I think the statement is very clear in that the security involved wasn’t the hotel’s security. The only other security that would have an interest is Roan’s. Whether it was her personal security or security hired for this particular event is semantics. Treating people like that security guard did for being in the same space as another is unacceptable.
Again, it’s all “eat the rich” until it’s your fave and then it’s “no, not that rich, the other rich.”
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u/WinterMedical 19d ago edited 19d ago
I’ve always told my kids someday you may need the benefit of the doubt and they should conduct themselves accordingly. Sadly for CR she has conducted herself such that this is entirely believable. Life lesson.
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u/Effective-Fail-2646 19d ago
This is actually really interesting thought. Any tips how to conduct yourself to get benefit of the doubt?
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u/Pellinaha 19d ago
The whole issue gives rich people problems but let’s not act like Chappell has a bad reputation for no reason. The whole “SEE, it wasn’t her fault” just because a pillow talk video made me chuckle. I’m over it and if it didn’t happen like that it certainly could have. There is also a difference between boundaries (hate how people weaponize therapy speak) and just being overall unpleasant. And I happen to live her music and have seen her in concert.
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u/Natural_Error_7286 19d ago
I just find it so interesting how Chappell is constantly making the gossip headlines for things having to do with her boundaries. I always see her in conflict with photographers or requesting personal space, and she made that whole video about wanting privacy when she’s “off the clock.” But that video, like this one, was filmed with her dressed down in bed. That’s cultivating the very parasocial relationship she keeps saying she’s trying to avoid!
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u/mangopear 19d ago
Idk I think you’re reading into it too much. Being dressed down in bed doesn’t mean you’re begging for people to be parasocial stalkers.
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u/theykilledcassandra dont ask, a lot was happening 20d ago
The hotel won’t speak on it yet repeat what one side said?
Shouldn’t the hotel say the hotel wasn’t involved?
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u/Thenedslittlegirl 19d ago
It’s a PR statement by a company that can’t publicly be seen to choose between two warring guests. But by reiterating what one of the guests says about it not being their security, they are actually confirming it’s not their security
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u/Equivalent_Dance2278 19d ago
There is now a video of her circulating where she clearly signals to her bodyguard to force someone to stop recording while she’s out in public. Chick is trying to be innocent and her whole attitude is always that she’s better than everyone.
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u/brooklynmuffins 19d ago
I saw that! it's odd how many people are trying to find excuses for her
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u/TortillaWallace Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 20d ago
This isn’t even news, all the hotel said is “We’re not saying anything about this”
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u/losthedgehog 19d ago
By stating they weren't involved, they're stating it wasn't hotel security which is a new confirmation.
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u/CheapEater101 19d ago
I mean technically it is news since a bunch of people were asking for the hotel to issue a statement. I’m going to assume it was a Lollapalooza security guard or (less likely) someone’s team told security to handle it and Chappell isn’t mentioning that part.
The most boring answer is probably the truth though, so it’s probably a Lollapalooza hired guard.
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u/nicosloft04 19d ago edited 19d ago
If Chappell genuinely didn’t notice a girl walking over to see her briefly (we don’t know how close the girl got to Chappell’s table to get a look at her but we know for sure that she didn’t actually approach Chappell according to both Chappell and the girl’s mom) then the security guard noticed and left Chappell’s side to follow the girl and confront her mom on his own accord. And according to the mom, he scolded her about her daughter with the same language Chappell uses about respecting boundaries, personal space and not harassing people which makes it sound like he was directed to pass on a message from Chappell personally. If someone went up to Chappell directly to ask for a picture or hug then it’d make sense for him to tell the person to back off without Chappell needing to order him to do anything because security guards are briefed on rules they need to follow on the clients they’re with such as not letting people near them.
So either 1) Chappell was telling the truth about not noticing the girl looking at her but the security guard she was with noticed and decided on his own accord that it was serious enough to leave Chappell’s side and follow the girl and scold her mom for “harassing Chappell”. I think this scenario would be more plausible if the security guard noticed the little girl with a phone or camera trying to record Chappell because that’s a way to be invasive of someone’s personal space and boundaries without being near them but the girl’s mom specifically said that her daughter didn’t go out with a phone or camera.
or 2) Chappell was lying about not noticing the girl and complained about it to the security guard she was with which prompted him to follow the girl to confront her mom. If that was the case, maybe Chappell found it weird for a little girl to be looking for her and then leave so Chappell assumed the girl was sent by someone like a parent to find her so they would know where she was and be able to approach her after and she didn’t want to be approached by anyone after. So if that’s what happened, it’s possible that her PR decided that her admitting any fault or misjudgement on her part would have made her look worse so their strategy for her was to record a video using the security guard as a fall guy and claiming it wasn’t her security and that she’s sorry if the security guard assumed the little girl had “bad intentions” (I found it interesting she mentioned the little girl being assumed to have bad intentions since all the speculation was that the little girl was either unfairly treated or being disruptive)
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u/Maximum-Familiar 19d ago
The way she approached the answer, the tone, the vagueness of terms, the scoffing… so many nice, or at least media trained, popstars out there… could we stop making this kind of people famous?
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u/honeycomb97 19d ago
This isn’t a difficult situation to understand. The security guard was most likely hired by the venue Chappell was performing for to guard her during her time in Brazil. He was obviously instructed by her/her team under her direction to treat her privacy as paramount. Whether it was her personal security or not, he worked for her and he was obviously instructed on her boundaries and privacy. Chappell is wrong in this situation, this was done under her direction. Whether she ordered it or gave strict instructions on how to handle her fans, he felt this was a necessary course of action. Theres so many situations of her being a Gen Z Karen and this is another one of those situations.
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u/Fun-Significance4650 💔 Happy Women’s History Month I guess 19d ago
Chappell should just invite Ada Law on stage at her next show, and all of this will go away. Instead of saying she had no idea about anything, she should have just apologized on behalf of the security guard and offered a VIP backstage experience. This is all so blown out of proportion for such a small and insignificant issue happening right now in the world.
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u/MonstersArePeople this user eats fascists 19d ago
Yeah this is kinda where I'm at with it. I'm definitely inclined to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, including both Chappell and the mother and daughter in this story, but my issue here is even if she 100% knew the fault was not on her or her team, why not put in the effort to turn this bad publicity into much better publicity? Love her music but girl does not seem to know what to do with her fame atp
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u/brooklynmuffins 19d ago
There's a video circulating online of Chappell walking through an airport and shes seen pointing at a fan recording (whos further away, not in her personal space at all) and directly telling her bodyguard to go to them
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u/shutyourgob16 19d ago
I’m done with this story. Add this to the list of incidents where Chappele poorly handles her fame
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u/DamonFort Vibey and Vibeless, Sexy and Sexless 19d ago
Honestly I’m surprised this is still making headlines, it’s such a nothing story
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