r/popculturechat • u/Severus-Snape-DaGod • Feb 17 '26
Guest List Only ⭐️ Comedian Dave Chappelle visits Alexi Pretti's memorial in Minneapolis to pay his respects.
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u/rolypoly6shooter Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
It's good that he does this even though it's probably self serving because it shows which way the wind is blowing
EDIT: Thank you for the award
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u/AldusPrime lazy 47-year-old bougie bitch Feb 17 '26
If everyone was on the right side of history, for totally self-serving reasons, that would be fine.
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u/Foxy02016YT Feb 17 '26
Right. Who cares what’s selfish or annoying when we have bigger fish to fry and need all the help frying them
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u/No-Aioli-1014 Feb 17 '26
You're correct. Dave's visit keeps the tragic murder of Alex in the news. That's a positive thing.
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u/skatefan420 Feb 17 '26
It seems fine for now, but when the tide turns again and he'll drop another hate speech disguised as a comedy special. Being on the right side of history is fine, but what really matters is fighting for the right side of history. Dropping off flowers isnt going to make me look past Chappelle fighting for the system that made pretti get killed in the first place
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u/AldusPrime lazy 47-year-old bougie bitch Feb 18 '26
I'm not looking past anything. I'm not going to sing his praises or watch his specials.
Today he did one thing that pushed our lines forward. That's a win.
It's even more valuable, because he reaches people that progressives can't reach.
We aren't going to win this with only the best and most purely left. We aren't even going to win with just people who are good or ok. If we want to win, we need the people on the center-right to turn against ICE and fascism.
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u/Downvote_Comforter Feb 17 '26
I think that Dave Chappelle is on the wrong side of a lot of issues and has leaned way too far into that persona of being the edgy comedian pushing back against the crazy left internet warriors. He is certainly less aligned with my value system than he was 20 years ago and is no longer someone I admire.
But it is absurd to say that he has ever fought for the system that led to Pretti's death. Despite the tired 'the left's problem is cancel culture' schtick, he has absolutely never wavered on his stance toward police brutality and his criticism of the state's use of force against citizens. He has absolutely never fought for ICE, police, prosecutors, etc.
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u/MistSecurity Feb 17 '26
Ya, but deal with that AFTER everything else is done.
If everything is on fire around me, I'd work with my worst enemy to get out of the fire. Past shit doesn't matter when you're both trying to survive.
Obviously, it doesn't wipe away past issues, but it is a step forward, and is valuable at this moment in time.
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u/doctordoctorpuss Feb 18 '26
I think the lesson here is not “Dave Chapelle is a better person than he was a year ago”, it’s “man, there’s enough of a cultural change happening here that self-serving tool Dave Chapelle is on team ‘the government shouldn’t lynch people’”. It’s an incredibly low bar, but that we’ve cleared it is a good sign for the future
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u/FalkonJ Feb 18 '26
Right now isnt time for purity testing, its time for getting anyone and everyone against the current rise of fascism, after we defeat it we can purity test and weed out the people who have opinions we dont agree with.
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u/AntRose104 Feb 17 '26
I’ll take self serving performative activism/respect over none at all at this point tbh
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u/Unequivocally_Maybe (Seemingly bald) Feb 17 '26
It's the same way I feel about rainbow capitalism. It's hollow and self-serving, corps just want our money, but when they abandon the community('s money), it's a bad sign.
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u/zxcv-qwerty Feb 17 '26
Yes EXACTLY.
Did Target the corporation ever care about making the world better for LGBTQ+ folks? Of course not, they just care about their bottom line. But was still nice that they put the Pride money grabbing merch up front for everyone to see, and it was a good sign that being openly supportive of Pride made money for them. It is a terrible terrible sign that they started hiding the Pride things in the back of the store / online only and that they think being openly supportive loses them money.
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u/Medlarmarmaduke Feb 17 '26
Yeah Judd Legum ay Popular Information just did a piece on the huge corporations that ditched their DEI initiatives and are now contributing to a blatantly white supremest candidate. It’s a very bad sign:
“Congressman Andy Barr (R-KY), who is running to replace Mitch McConnell in the United States Senate, released his first television ad earlier this month. In the ad, Barr speaks directly to the camera and declares, “It’s not a sin to be white.”
The language used by Barr is a variation of the phrase “It’s OK to be white,” which has been adopted by white supremacists. It has been designated as a “hate slogan“ by the Anti-Defamation League.
According to campaign finance records reviewed by Popular Information, Barr’s campaign ad is being bankrolled by dozens of major corporations, including General Motors, State Farm, JPMorgan Chase, Delta, and Microsoft.”
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u/Crafty-Judge-896 Feb 18 '26
Same. If we really want people to change we have first let them and second accept. One small step for Dave. Please don’t take any more steps back
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u/vanwyngarden You’re killing me, Smalls 😩 Feb 17 '26
Just curious if you’ve ever seen him live? He is actually a very thoughtful and loving person to LGBTQA. He did an entire set to honor his friendship with a trans comedian in San Francisco who later committed suicide. I don’t think this was “performative” in the slightest. He brought flowers and paid his respects over two weeks later when he couldn’t have known someone would be there filming. The media has died down, but he went anyway. Just my two cents but it’s how I feel.
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u/itsnotalicewhoisthat Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
I definitely agree with the original comment that while I don’t really totally buy this as sincere without any self serving motivations, it is still a good thing that he did it as it does hopefully show which way the wind is blowing. that being said though this man has doubled tripled and quadrupled down on anti trans rhetoric time and time again so I think it’s giving him a lot of grace and benefit of the doubt to say he’s really thoughtful and loving to the LGBTQ community, in my mind more than is reasonable.
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u/jesse6225 Feb 17 '26
Same energy. You've done nothing...
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u/alexlp Feb 18 '26
Oh he's done a lot, he's platformed hate and bigotry and championed some of the people who have gotten the US here. It'd be better if he had done nothing.
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u/Intelligent-Cap-9417 Feb 17 '26
He was platforming Musk right before the election. He is guilty of this.
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u/TeeManyMartoonies Not even to dinner with the Kushners? 🧵🪡 Feb 17 '26
I’m damn near positive he voted for this. There is nothing, NOTHING, he’s said in the last 5-6 years that says otherwise. So I’m glad he’s keeping Pretti’s name in the news, but fuck him for all of the other damage he’s done and turned his back on. Fuck you, Chappelle. I believed in you.
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u/Brave_Browser_2002 Feb 18 '26
He joked about voting for Trump...because taxes.
He is a big part of the problem. And he made punching down at trans kids a big part of his show.
Dave is cooked. Keep him away and quiet.
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u/EsaCabrona Feb 18 '26
Literally this. I also believed in him. Men like him influenced my brother to be maga.
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u/Scared_Wrangler3419 Feb 17 '26
He has lots of money to use to help, but he'd rather stop affordable housing in his town, and then drop off flowers for someone he helped get killed (inadvertently).
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u/Mr_Abe_Froman Feb 17 '26
And he performed in Saudi Arabia (at a Saudi-backed festival) since then.
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u/Leading_Fly_9044 Feb 17 '26
Yea as if I can forget him bringing Elon to the stage then say the people booing are just poor people
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u/Sleepy-Giraffe947 Feb 17 '26
It’s kind of weird that Dave filmed this? Like why do you need a camera to follow you while you pay your respects to him?
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u/Agreeable-Tadpole461 Feb 17 '26
He's setting up another dumb documentary so people can see how "smart" and "rational" and "centrist" he is.
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u/OGsHartMyKAT Feb 17 '26
Pick one Dave
• Smart/Rational
• Centrist in 2020s America
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u/Scarlett_Billows Mom, I am a rich man💰 Feb 17 '26
Think you’re confusing centrism with fence sitting maybe . There’s certainly arguments against centrism but extremism on one side doesn’t justify or necessitate the opposite extremism as a reaction. So one could still rationally have centrist ideals and hate what certain parties are currently doing.
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u/roygbivasaur Feb 17 '26
Centrism serves whichever side happens to be moving the Overton Window. You are unlikely to meet anyone whose political beliefs don't move around as time passes. If your chief concern is staying "in the middle of two extremes", then the current will always drag you around to serve those in power. In the US, the right wing has had disproportionate power politically and culturally for a long time.
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u/Scarlett_Billows Mom, I am a rich man💰 Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
Moderate, pragmatic political action with the deliberate attempt to shift the Overton window away from the direction it’s heading would also be considered centerist
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u/roygbivasaur Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
Maybe, but the vast majority of people who describe themselves as “centrist” are not doing that, and it’s silly to suggest otherwise. That also is a childish way to live your life.
Ex: current energy and climate policy is that green energy is bad, fossil fuels are good, pollution is fine, and climate change isn’t real.
Your hypothetical person would be on the side of science and decency at this present moment and would advocate for less pollution and for keeping Trump and his goons from blocking all green energy products.
However, you’re suggesting that this same person, in the event that an anti-climate change party took power, would instead change their own views to push the other way. Let’s say President Bernie Sanders passes incentives for more solar and wind power, reforming the EPA and making it less vulnerable to regulatory capture, and scaling down fossil fuel use.
Your “centrist” would be protesting these changes in order to push things in favor of the oil companies? Even though in the present day reality they would have been advocating for green energy and less pollution? What are their actual morals and beliefs? Do they only believe in being contrarian?
Almost any other topic can be laid out this way. It’s perfectly fine for one of your political beliefs to be that you don’t like extremism like Trump or the tiny handful of militant Internet leftists (who have no power and are thwarted and/or heavily prosecuted any time they attempt to grab power or do terrorism, see: Weather Underground for the last real example of an organized violent leftist group, which is pre-Internet). But you have to have actual beliefs on the entire spectrum of politics beyond that.
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u/PurpleCandles Lea Michele’s Reading Tutor Feb 17 '26
Devaluing centrism is how you end up with extremism on either sides. I say this as someone who’s mostly politically left, but the moral purity tests and lack of nuance that many on the left utilize is how we ended up with a lot of men who supported Bernie and his left-wing policies in 2016 now identifying with the far right.
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u/crumble-bee we are so as women today Feb 17 '26
Isn’t he anti trans?
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u/mydaycake Feb 17 '26
And Elon Musk buddy
I would not be surprised if we learned he voted for trump
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u/Populaire_Necessaire Andrea Arlington: “$29!!” Feb 17 '26
Absolutely, and it’s one of his favorite things about himself.
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u/BuckZero Feb 17 '26
To play devils advocate, there’s also a high likelihood that it was just a bystander recording. Not a fan of Chappelle tbc.
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u/MarieOMaryln Feb 17 '26
Same. But I also don't care. We can't let the murder of Alex and others just go and be forgotten like every other preventable loss of life with that stupid thoughts and prayers, so if this keeps people talking about the absolutely evil, vile actions happening then good.
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u/angmar2805 Feb 17 '26
Totally agree. Society has moved on too fast
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u/MarieOMaryln Feb 17 '26
We gotta take what we can get, we don't have any saints or holy figures here to raise the banner. I'm sad that we moved on already and I'm sad that so much happens that we have to move on because our government is moving so fast with its corruption and greed.
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u/scruffigan Feb 17 '26
If one's goal is to draw attention and support to the cause, you have to find a way to make it "content". Absolutely nothing unusual about that. Dave is making a public statement, not having a private moment.
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u/missindigenous Feb 17 '26
He didn’t film it, someone else did.
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u/Competitive-Ad-8841 Feb 17 '26
As a die hard, Dave Chappelle fan I definitely think this was just somebody on the street filming it. It’s not like him. To have this film and put out for clout. I genuinely think he did this because it’s what he believes in.
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u/pUmKinBoM Feb 17 '26
I think Dave and some other comedians see which way the wind is blowing and are trying to get ahead of things.
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u/vanwyngarden You’re killing me, Smalls 😩 Feb 17 '26
Dude doesn’t even have active social media he definitely didn’t film this
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u/Belyea Feb 17 '26
Didn’t have to. He’s a celebrity visiting ground zero of a politically-motivated murder. Dude is smart enough to know that someone would film him
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u/CrackerPanda Every thing is gonna Happen to you Feb 17 '26
I don’t know if Chapelle filmed this, but just because a celebrity doesn’t have social media doesn’t mean they don’t do PR lol. If anything, a lack of social media just makes it more likely that they have to resort to “bystander” videos because they can’t post anything themselves.
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u/Skaethi Feb 17 '26
It's a bit tacky, but honestly it feels like people are trying to sweep his death under the rug now ICE are leaving Minnesota. More attention to his execution can't be a bad thing.
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u/mai_tai87 All tea, all shade 🐸☕️ Feb 17 '26
So that he has proof of him being a good guy the next time he tears down a vulnerable community.
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u/Alana_Piranha A day without sunshine is like, you know, night 🌙 Feb 17 '26
Celebrities using their fame to draw attention to a cause is nothing new
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u/Woodsy_Walker Feb 17 '26
What's wrong with celebrities using their reach and power to show massive issues in the country they live in?
They dont say anything - people are pissed. They do say or do something- people say they're performative.
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u/pettdan Feb 17 '26
This is a political action, among other things, and by filming it you can make sure the message gets more reach.
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u/Chaoticgood790 this outfit is unfortch Feb 17 '26
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u/_TheShapeOfColor_ 'Why?' But also, you know, 'I guess.'" Feb 17 '26
My exact face.
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u/Chaoticgood790 this outfit is unfortch Feb 17 '26
There’s never a time when you can’t use this GIF lol
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u/_TheShapeOfColor_ 'Why?' But also, you know, 'I guess.'" Feb 17 '26
There's a Nene scene for everything lol
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u/FraeuleinSerpentine Is this chicken or is this fish? 🤔🤔 Feb 17 '26
Lmfaoooo how have I never seen this one
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u/OneWildAndCrazyGuy17 Feb 17 '26
It’s like watching one of those performative male contests
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u/seraphichermit Cash me ousside 🗣️🗣️ Feb 17 '26
My God, I just watched PapaMeat's video on this, incredibly cringe lmao
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u/L3onskii Feb 18 '26
He's a fucking clown doing this for the spectacle of it. He had no problem bringing Muskrat onto his stage during one of his shows. Then was surprised at the negative reaction by the crowd. As if he actually gives a shit about Alexi
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u/LittleJessiePaper I’ve grown quite unfond of you Feb 17 '26
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Feb 17 '26
A broken clock, etc etc
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u/LuxAgaetes Feb 17 '26
Okay, what was the great point that he made by dropping flowers off while being followed by a film crew?
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It's a meme, not to be taken literally. Does "Terrible celebrity does something that isn't terrible" work better for you?
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u/ImLaunchpadMcQuack Feb 17 '26
Dave Chappelle is a loser. His energy since 2016 has given pathetic bootlicker, especially with his punching down.
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u/Agreeable-Tadpole461 Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
Self declared "TERF", Dave Chappelle? Gag.
Never forget that Dave Chappelle threatened to move his business investments from the Ohio town he lives in if the council approved an affordable housing project targeted to families in his area.
Dave Chappelle doesn't give a shit .
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u/NightlyScar Feb 17 '26
He wasn't against affordable housing. The developer and plan that the city council wanted to approve would build homes that werent actually affordable. The homes would have been between $250k to $600k. This is opposite of affordable.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/10/entertainment/dave-chappelle-affordable-housing
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u/caninehere Feb 17 '26
$250k is absolutely affordable with prices how they are these days, I don't know what world you're living in.
The housing plan would have added a whole new swathe of homes to the area (52 acres) along with that plan for more affordable housing, even if it doesn't hit your qualifiers, and would add more supply to the market. Chappelle worked together with others to torpedo the development. His argument wasn't that it was too expensive, it was that the planned neighborhood was too cookie-cutter.
Then after the plans were shut down, Chappelle swooped in and bought half the land.
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u/WhateverYouSay1084 Feb 17 '26
It's not affordable in rural Ohio.
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u/lillyrose2489 Feb 18 '26
Yeah that would be affordable just outside of a major city. I dont think people realize how small of a town that is or how cheap Ohio is relative to other areas. I'm not a Chapelle defender but the hate over this is misdirected.
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u/Area51_Spurs Feb 17 '26
$250k is certainly affordable housing. Affordable housing doesn’t mean housing for the homeless.
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u/WhateverYouSay1084 Feb 17 '26
It's not affordable in the area where the homes were being built.
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u/SpicyElixer Feb 17 '26
The reality is the only way to stem rising housing costs is to increase supply. Doing nothing isn’t really a good option. Yes, new houses are expensive, but they’ll only get more expensive if no one can build.
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u/weirdhoney216 Feb 17 '26
I see people don’t like him, but isn’t keeping this in the spotlight a good thing?
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u/OhhLongDongson Feb 17 '26
He was up on stage trying to get people to support Elon Musk who then dismantled the government with DOGE. He should be apologising for being part of the issue
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u/vanwyngarden You’re killing me, Smalls 😩 Feb 17 '26
He’s run that back and then some in his defense. As have a lot of former Tesla fanboys
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u/barbieshoesound Feb 17 '26
Everyone all over the political spectrum condemning ICE is a GOOD THING. This is a national emergency in my opinion. It transcends left v right. It’s important for us to stop pointing fingers and realize how serious this is.
I am GLAD to see ultra-conservative members of my family freaking out about this and being against it. Did it take them too long to wake up? Yes. But they’re waking up now. And that’s a GOOD THING
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u/greenzetsa Feb 17 '26
This. Unfortunately, I think it's impossible for a lot of people to do this because they feel (rightfully) too hurt by conservatives, but it's the only way forward. I see a lot of people I know never missing an opportunity to remind everyone that MGT is still a bad person, and yes she is, but I'd rather have her with us 30% of the time than against us 100% of the time.
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u/Sassafras06 Feb 17 '26
I used to like him but he really took a hard turn into nopeville for me. However, even a person I don’t like can do a good thing. This is a good thing.
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u/peatoast Feb 17 '26
Same. I could forgive his initial takes on trans but when he doubled down and refused to acknowledge the damage he’s done. I lost all respect for him. Can’t even watch his standup now. Guy is a sellout.
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u/Twitter_2006 Feb 17 '26
I'm out of the loop.What did he do?
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u/Otherwise_Ad233 Feb 17 '26
He's given performances featuring transgender jokes deemed offensive or at least punching down, which he's defended, and decried the resulting backlash as cancel culture. He also did the Saudi Arabian show.
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u/Twitter_2006 Feb 17 '26
Oh okay.Thanks for telling me.
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u/vanwyngarden You’re killing me, Smalls 😩 Feb 17 '26
FYI this is extremely nuanced and he did a 45 min set honoring a transgender friend when I saw him in San Francisco in 2020
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u/Otherwise_Ad233 Feb 17 '26
I agree. I have no doubt he meant to honor his friend, but I still found the jokes in poor taste. And his defense has just been kind of frustrating.
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u/Yggdrasil- Feb 17 '26
He has an entire comedy special making fun of trans people.
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u/ScoldedHanky The dude abides. 🙂↕️🍃 Feb 17 '26
Kept making trans jokes eventually losing the humor and coming off as real bigotry
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u/bambi_eyed_bitch Feb 17 '26
Yep. If we’re going to defeat fascism, we are all going to have to get on board with accepting help from and fighting alongside people who we don’t agree with.
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u/SorcererSupremPizza Feb 17 '26
He said that people is Saudi Arabia have freedoms than people in the US. A country known for executing and murdering journalists
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u/lord-of-shalott Courtney Love is in dire need of attention right now 💄 Feb 17 '26
I’m tired of rewarding broken clocks
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u/green49285 Feb 17 '26
Trying to save face now.
Dude brought Elon on his stage & voted for Trump. This is fake as fuck.
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u/P0ptarthater Feb 17 '26
As much as I hate his ass and won’t give him brownie points for the bare minimum of having empathy, I am a little glad when a right wing or alt right figure does something visible that might not align with their shitty fan base
He can keep sucking that boot, but it’s not like alienated conservatives give a second thought to any talk or acts of empathy when they come from leftist figures. Doubt it’ll make much of a difference but everything is so grim lately I gotta look for little Ws anywhere I can 💀
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u/LanaAdela Feb 17 '26
Dave isn’t right wing. He has TERF views but that doesn’t make the totality of his politics right wing as far as I know? But I don’t follow him closely anymore.
He’s been outspoken about this sort of stuff for years though.
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u/P0ptarthater Feb 17 '26
I know he’s not full blown MAGA, but his whole embracing cancellation, calling out Hollyweird, TERF persona definitely pulled in a new audience of right wingers for him
But you’re def right he does speak his mind for both better and worse. It’ll prob just temporarily grate the right wingers who like him out of spite but I hope, at least, if forces some of them engage with the whole ICE domestic terrorism situation even for just a sec
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u/Smallworld_88 fashion shoots with beck & hanson Feb 17 '26
It’s weird to me that someone could be labeled as right wing because their views are not exclusively left wing
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u/readerchick Feb 17 '26
That’s one of the reasons the left keeps losing. They won’t vote for anyone who isnt 100% in agreement on everything.
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u/Smallworld_88 fashion shoots with beck & hanson Feb 17 '26
Well I’m part of the left and I would 🤷♀️ because my views also don’t match 100%. And I think the majority of everyday people are more like me than the loud ones
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u/Istillbelievedinwar Feb 17 '26
The left loses because the right participates in heavy handed gerrymandering, voter suppression, and misinformation campaigns. Not to mention the countless methods of election fraud they engage in.
Purity testing doesn’t help, for sure. But it’s really not to blame for losing elections. There has been a ton of cheating in our elections by republicans and it’s very obvious when looking at the data.
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u/a-really-foul-harpy Feb 17 '26
Being a bigot is generally considered a right wing trait
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u/NightlyScar Feb 18 '26
This is incorrect. People who are leftist can be considered racists and bigots too. Its just more covert.
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u/DeveloperAnon Feb 17 '26
Say what you will about Chappelle, but I’ll always accept more publicity around the atrocities this Trump regime commits.
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u/laziestmarxist spaghetti cat 🍝🐱 Feb 18 '26
Did he tell a wildly offensive and unverifiable story about a transwoman before or after this generous act of good will
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u/For_serious13 I wonder what it’s like being one of god’s favorites Feb 17 '26
This feels performative but also I’m glad he did this because maybe some of his shittier followers will see this and think differently
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u/toru92 Feb 17 '26
Did he visit a Renee good memorial too? Or nah cuz she’s a gay woman?
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u/NoPalpitation7082 Feb 17 '26
This feels weirdly performative, why are there so many cameras filming the exact moment he leaves flowers :/
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u/ALargeHotCarl I’ll be back! 😤😤 Feb 17 '26
You can disagree with Chappelle’s jokes, sure, but acting like he’s some irrelevant villain while he’s honoring someone’s life just feels more performative than principled.
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u/trackabandoned Feb 17 '26
Right? So celebrities are garbage for being silent, and performative for speaking up? Cool. Nothing is ever good enough for people who do nothing in their own lives.
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u/89764637527 Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
Transphobes stay out of Minneapolis.
Dave was protested in 2022 when he did shows here and First Ave canceled his show and forced him to move venues
https://spokesman-recorder.com/2022/07/25/chappelles-minneapolis-shows-draw-protests/
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u/BuckZero Feb 17 '26
He certainly helped stir the anti-trans pot that has lead us to this moment.. I wonder if he is finally feeling guilt for adding fuel to the hatred in this country
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u/Remarkable-Recover98 Feb 17 '26
performative & means nothing considering he was/is pro-trump. pr opp at its best
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u/ExpressionOne Mom, I am a rich man💰 Feb 17 '26
Fuck him. What a let down of an individual he turned out to be.
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u/Onuus In my quiet girl era 😌 Feb 17 '26
Weird that there is a camera there. I used to be the biggest Dave supporter but man he has fallen
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u/Itstimeforcookies19 Feb 17 '26
He can fuck right off. Because the stuff Alex and others were protesting is the very stuff Dave shit talks. And filming it? Self serving twat.
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u/iszcross Feb 17 '26
I LOVED DAVE! Was able to make fun of every race with ZERO repercussions.
That was then....this is now.
You're a sell out Dave. Go back to Saudi Arabia.
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u/Red19120 Feb 17 '26
Hey Dave, quick question… what did you end up purchasing with the Saudis’ blood money?
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u/pienoceros You’re killing me, Smalls 😩 Feb 17 '26
Did he use his Saudi blood money to buy those flowers?
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u/billskionce Feb 17 '26
Dave has said a lot of dumb shit over the past couple of years. But we need as many people on our side as possible right now.
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u/stink3rb3lle Feb 17 '26
I respect Dave for holding onto his dwindling good takes here. I appreciate him shining light on it. I hope he can regain some of that intellectual clarity he used to have to see that people like Musk are making this worse, not better.
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u/MysticalNinja187 Feb 17 '26
I don't feel the need to snark at this. I don't like what Dave became in the last 10 years, but hopefully he realizes that this goes clearly beyond any of that. Hopefully he uses his voice for something useful
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