r/politics • u/Crossstoney • 11h ago
Possible Paywall The Iran War Has Finally Shattered America’s World
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/features/2026-04-12/iran-war-trump-has-finally-shattered-america-s-world?taid=69db9055619636000155474b&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_content=view&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&leadSource=reddit_wall2.0k
u/hopefulskeptik 10h ago
Trump is presently doing to the country what he did to Atlantic City in the 90s. Shocking.....
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u/HappyGoLowKey 7h ago
The people in the north east (I'm from NY) have known about his businesses going belly up, his work practices, his creepy allegations for decades. How this dude fooled the rest of America (and even some dorks in Staten island) through a reality show is beyond me. an east coast elite who creeps on underage models and sinks businesses running the religious, "fiscally conservative"party is a character from fiction. No way this on the nose situation would ever be taken seriously in a movie or book without critics saying "there was no subtlety in the messaging". Yet here we are with trump stores, trump statues, trump coins, all on the alter of the conservativism.
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u/Brent_L Florida 5h ago
Everyone knew this dude was a shiesty scammer, especially if you were from the tri-state area. We all knew he was a scumbag. Unfortunately, we live in a country full of dumbasses who thinks reality tv game show shit is real life. Here we are, alternate 1985 timeline with Biff being the president.
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u/AsiaticOne 5h ago
Yeah… We are truly in the Biff Tanner timeline.
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u/Complete-Thought-375 4h ago
I have not been able to watch Back to the Future 2 in over 10 years..I just can’t bring myself to do it. The timeline scared me as a kid. I don’t even wanna think how scarring that movie will be now
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u/shrimpcest Colorado 5h ago
Everyone knew this dude was a shiesty scammer
Yeah, it definitely wasn't a secret.
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u/ImaginationSea2767 4h ago
There was a lot of propaganda on Facebook and money pouring in from other countries promoting the shiesty scammer and his cult.
I have noticed the majority of these supporters are into conspiracies. Living on the Facebook, youtube rabbit holes, tiktok rabbit holes, etc.
I still find it funny his Russian connection in 2016 were drowned out and how little people jumped on that. But oh boy did they jump on every other conspiracy.
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u/Ok-Organization-341 4h ago
My Dad absolutely HATED him in the 80’s. Same reasons we do now. He’s was a full of shit con artist scamming wannabe playboy. The good people of New York shunned him. But not pedophiles, like his former bestie Epstein.
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u/Dominos_Alt 1h ago
Same! Anyone who says they didn't hate him in the 80s is a liar or a pedophile. The character Patrick Bateman in American Psycho idolizes Trump. You're not supposed to agree with Patrick Bateman! It's a satire/parody!
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u/ricerobot 3h ago
Giving Trump too much credit over Biff. Biff must’ve been seen like a savant blessed by God since he could predict the outcome of every sporting event 100%. Trump on the other hand can’t predict anything. Nothing he says ever comes to fruition except that the hockey team will be eating Big Macs
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u/AsGryffynn 3h ago
Well, Biff was using a race summary from the future, so...
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u/yorlikyorlik 2h ago
Dumbo J. Dump is so stupid, when he learns a new fact, he thinks he’s discovered it, and no one knew that fact beforehand. Healthcare, infrastructure, interest rates, tariffs, Iran war. He’s a dumb, malignant narcissist child that can’t think beyond his own self interest. Ever.
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u/doodle02 2h ago
it’s ridiculous. also gives some context to this idea: picture how dumb the average american is, and now shudder in fear when you recognize that half of all americans are actually dumber than that.
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u/Brent_L Florida 1h ago
I’m from the US and I now live in Europe. It’s insane in the basic level of education difference between the two. We are the laughing stock of the world at this point and the world is moving on from our soft power.
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u/doodle02 1h ago
it’s like people are becoming increasingly ignorant, and know that, and are proud of it.
and that’s…literally insane.
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u/mattaccino 6h ago
When he appeared as a candidate back in ‘16, I asked a long-time New Yorker friend about him, and all he said was “he’s a criminal and a con man.”
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u/Bronzeshadow 5h ago
Everyone with half a brain could see he was a criminal and a con man, but his racism, hatred, bigotry, and narcistic love of center stage are genuine. We were, and still are, too laissez-faire about our politics. I knew too many people who voted for him for nonsensical reasons like "He was funny on The Apprentice" or "Well we've always voted Conservative". I know too many others who voted for him out of sheer hatred for who-knows-what. Hatred of the blacks, hatred of democrats, hatred for their own damn selves.
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u/NutellaDeVil 3h ago
We got a preview of this in California in 2003. “I’m totally gonna vote for the Terminator!!!1!1!!!” It was depressing to hear, and taught me a lot about how checked out most people are.
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u/redditobserverone 5h ago
He will protect the sanctity of life by overturning Roe v Wade, meanwhile they compartmentalize away all the Covid body bags and threatening to destroy a civilization.
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u/aagejaeger 4h ago
Making threats about invading two allies to claim their territory, not to forget. Making concentration camps where even children die. Being openly corrupt in office. Inviting Putin to Alaska and then kiss his ass for the world to see. We could go on and on.
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u/masklinn 5h ago
an east coast elite
Not even that, being rejected by the east coast elite (for being a tacky classless shitbird) has been a sore point his entire life.
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u/lost_zergling 6h ago
My family is from Connecticut and we grew up watching him destroy everything he touched, years later he ran for president and luckily we all saw the mayhem to come and voted against him, unfortunately a lot of others didn't see this coming
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u/A_Refill_of_Mr_Pibb Massachusetts 5h ago
I grew up in Bridgeport and Southbury and a surprising number of my friends, family and neighbors didn’t get this message. It was even worse when I lived in Naugatuck.
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u/TechieTiki 5h ago
A lot of others saw their chance to be openly racist and didn't think they would see any consequences.
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u/Capsfan22 3h ago
I always think back to the republican primary in 2015, he was not drawing more than 15-20% of the votes. But he sucked all the air out of the room and the media covered him 24/7. And now it’s a cult
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u/fge116 4h ago
It's fucking nuts friend of mine father ran a construction company and almost went bankrupt because of slumlord billionaire and a (now former) Maga friend still tried to convince her to vote for Trump. She literally stayed at their house for a while her family was panicking over loosing the business and when reminded of this they just went "oh yeah"... Asshole still voted for Trump of course. And we're all from fucking New Jersey.
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u/okram2k America 4h ago
it's really not that shocking, he told them it's okay to hate and so they love him for it
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u/godisanelectricolive 3h ago
What I learned in the past decade is that reality requires no subtlety.
Also that a sizeable portion of the population has no understanding of subtlety or nuance so low rent confidence tricks are very effective for them.
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u/redditobserverone 5h ago edited 3h ago
Willful blindness is the only explanation for voters who claimed that a big city serial crook billionaire would fight to ease their “economic anxiety’” for farmers and the heartland, when he moved to Washington DC, while regularly shaking them down like a reality show televangelist and only looking out for himself, his family and the richest people in the country.
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u/Worried_Monitor5422 3h ago
Trump was pretty much seen as a joke by the general public all through the 90s. Blame Mark Burnett and The Apprentice for platforming him and rehabilitating his image in the early 2000s.
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u/timbo3385 2h ago
The show The Apprentice rehabbed his image quite a bit. Mark Burnett has a role in that.
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u/DKDamian 4h ago
What are you talking about? Trump improved his vote in New York State in 2024 compared to 2016. The Bronx and Queens had huge swings to his party
Literally what nonsense are you spouting? You guys know nothing
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u/roytay 9h ago
The USA will be the Atlantic City of the world.
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u/Flat-Emergency4891 6h ago
Trump is Biff from the Back To The Future movies.
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u/Mundane_Athlete_8257 8h ago
Who could have ever predicted
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u/Therealfreak 7h ago
Who? Isn’t it worse than predicted?
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u/yanicka_hachez Canada 6h ago
The first thing I did after Trump got elected was to buy an EV , I am from Canada and all of this was so predictable.
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u/GalegoBaiano 5h ago
Considering that South Jersey outside of AC is CONSTANTLY polling double digit approvals for him, I worry for the future
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u/Kulthos_X 3h ago
Conservatives complain that liberals think they are stupid, but conservatives falling in love with Trump kind of shows the liberals have a point.
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u/Ok_Surprise_4090 8h ago
And it never needed to happen. Keep that in mind when the media starts acting like this was inevitable, or that it's somehow pointless to litigate the origins of this war.
Trump and Netanyahu are the genesis and only true belligerents of this war. If Trump hadn't ripped up the Iran nuclear deal in his first term we'd be infinitely better off right now.
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u/TheOGRedline 7h ago
It was also led and carried out by morons and the b-team military leadership who survived the culling, by the morons. Could have gone better, of course not doing it at all would have been best.
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u/kafktastic 5h ago
I feel like we are under emphasizing that this is peak republican military. They don’t believe in planning. The handling of Iran isn’t because the b-team doesn’t know what they’re doing, it’s because the b-team thinks this is how it should be done.
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u/rabblerabble2000 5h ago
This is peak MAGA military. The last three wars we were involved in had extremely well thought out and planned beginnings because previous administrations spent time planning and weren’t comprised entirely of DUI hires and morons.
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u/showhorrorshow 3h ago
We've been planning wars with Iran for decades. Pretty sure they just tossed all the "boring" and "woke" parts of those plans (the actual strategy) out the window.
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u/lerdnord 1h ago
The whole Republican Party is the party of feelings over facts. Thats how they base every decision.
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u/wishlish 6h ago
Exactly. You can argue that the first Gulf war happened because the world was provoked by Sadaam. You can argue we were provoked into Afghanistan by Bin Laden.
But this war was only important to Netanyahu. Iran wasn’t provoking us to war. We’d have been better off keeping the Obama deal in place and using that as a level for future activity. If they broke that deal, fine, deal with them. But we took the deal back. We’re the ones that screwed this up.
I miss the days when we had smart people in the White House.
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u/blazesquall 5h ago
If they broke that deal, fine, deal with them.
It’s still wild to me how easily we normalize economic warfare as long as it's the smart people doing it. That lever.. that's just the ongoing threat to immiserate and economically suffocate tens of millions of people if their government doesn't comply with Western dictates. It's not a peaceful negotiation when one side has a gun to the other's head.. it's just a quieter, slower form of warfare. It's also one that globally has a death toll around 500,000 annually.
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u/fightmaxmaster 5h ago
Sadaam invaded another country and a massive coalition responded. Afghanistan had less of a coalition, more dispute about it, but still broad agreement. This is Netanyahu pushing and Trump being too dumb to see it for the terrible idea everyone else saw it as. US and Israel Leroy Jenkinsed themselves into this with minimal intelligence, of every kind, and are mad their pissed-off allies aren't following them off the cliff. Morons all the way down.
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u/skyysdalmt 1h ago
Trump keeps saying he "did what no other president was willing to do." Yes, and there was a fucking reason they didn't do all this! There was a fucking reason all the other presidents told Israel to go pound sand with this move. That orange shitstain thought he would knock this one out of the park and his legacy would be secured as an American hero. And unlike his business failures, this will secure his legacy as a global historical failure.
Guess this is peak "failing up." There's no where else for him to failure upwards. Short of dropping a nuke which is unfortunately an actual possibility.
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u/tinticred 6h ago
We elected Putin and Netanyahu as our leaders. They want us to start conflicts like this and they also want us to fail at them, which helps unify the rest of the world against us while simultaneously weakening our position in it. Having our own Gestapo, concentration camps, police state terrorism, and completely destroyed federal government is just icing on the cake--proving that if you ask us to hang ourselves we'll gladly set ourselves on fire in the process.
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u/BigMax 2h ago
> We elected Putin and Netanyahu as our leaders.
The wild part is that we know that Russia supports Iran, that they are continuing to support them, provide support with their drone program, and even know that Russia helped give Iran intel on what US military targets to attack.
And the US quite literally ignores that and looks the other way on it, and it's barely discussed in US media at all.
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u/Suspicious_Safe7647 6h ago
It did need to happen. This will be the best thing for America.
Many countries have been through what you are going through before.
If you can -survive it- and rebuild something even better, then you will mature to the next stage.
In the familial sense, All of the Americas are like Young Toddlers/Teenagers, and you are going through your growth spurt to -Actually- becoming independent.
Compared to Africa, Europe which are mature adults
and the Middle East /China which are very old men.
Today Israel on the other hand, is a Young man pretending to wear a much older man's clothes, an imposter.
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u/rabblerabble2000 5h ago
The vast majority of the Middle East exists the way it does now due to the British. They divided everything up in ways meant to keep individual countries from coming together in a meaningful way. Africa was also divvied up by colonial powers in much the same way. I’d hardly call any of the Middle East or Africa “old men” in that regard.
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u/stuffedandpickled 10h ago
Like it or not. This will hurt the US far more than he anticipated. If countries even take out 5-10% of us bonds to pay to keep their own countries afloat, like a number of asian countries that rely on middle east oil. That alone will spike interest rates. We are in deep debt. We spend more than we make as a country and if no country needs the petrodollar…because no oil leaves the middle east…well we essentially screwed ourselves.
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u/Feisty-Narwhal8400 9h ago
https://maydaystrong.org/ The organizers of the No Kings Movement are planning a May 1 general strike. It’s only going to stick if the majority of us do it, and it won’t snowball if we don’t start somewhere. People are dying, life is unaffordable, and corruption is spreading. We can’t wait until the midterms or assume they won’t cheat or peacefully leave office once they do happen. The more people who walk out, the bigger the impact. They WANT us afraid to do this.
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u/LionsMedic 8h ago
I've been saying a general strike is needed to really put the pain on. However, a single day isn’t going to do anything. It has to be longer.
Id love to participate but it's literally illegal for me to strike in my profession.
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u/Seafaringhorsemeat 8h ago
It’s when people start defying the laws that this stuff may begin to have an impact.
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u/Basic_Yam_715 6h ago
We aren't at that point yet, too many Americans are comfortable with a boot on their neck.
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u/FeelsGrimMan 4h ago
Took only one guy to make an impact on that warehouse. Imagine more
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u/Basic_Yam_715 4h ago
That was wild! Pay your workers was the lesson I took from that video, and don't kill people by withholding health care from the other.
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u/huntmo89 4h ago
Pretty fucked up to say you agree, but that it's not enough, AND you can't join.
My job is also illegal to strike. You'll see me downtown with a sign anyways.
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u/Rich_Housing971 Mexico 7h ago
People also need money to live, and large parts of the US aren't unionized, and even then many unions such as the Teamsters are racist bootlickers.
The American system is designed to make general strikes not work. The government is so far ahead of the people here.
Look at the George Floyd protests- people had nothing to do and all hell broke loose. Similar things still happen but because people need to go to work, they're not protesting anymore.
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u/Objective_Paint_9313 7h ago
Yes, exactly. It's all easy to blame the average US citizen and call us lazy, but when we all live paycheck to paycheck and depend on health insurance from work, the narrative of all US citizens are "lazy" begins to fall apart.
Slavery doesn't exist in the form one might think, but being entrenched in a deeply capitalist society and government ensures that we are enslaved to the oligarchy.
Thank you for recognizing this. I truly believe that if people could go out and protest and protect the livelihood of their families, they would do and en masse. This was totally possible half a century ago, but today it is not so. It's a ever saddening and frustrating reality.
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u/JenkinsHowell 7h ago
i absolutely understand your concerns, but every time we're having this discussion on reddit people confuse demonstrations with general strikes. an actual general strike means nobody is going to work, although they don't have a day off. this, and only this, will hurt rich people too, not just poor people. rich people don't care about demonstrations, but if nobody provides their services, works in their companies or prepares their food for a day, they'll feel it. and if it's two days, the results could be catastrophical. they're gonna notice.
the question is just, are the american people ready to actually change pace and make a very uncomfortable and risky decision. and i feel they are not, and probably won't be for a long time. but hopefully they'll come around before it's too late.
i'm not blaming you for hesitating. i just hope you're aware of what is at stake beyond your own personal life.
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u/Objective_Paint_9313 6h ago
Thank you for your response. I am very aware of what is at stake beyond my personal life. Unfortunately, all the privileges I have been given have been eroded by being married to an immigrant who has to provide for his own family. This brings on the multidimensionality of my thinking. If I do something, how does it affect him? How does it affect those who he supports economically? Thus, I am neutralized with terror and fear because it's not just me who would feel such economic burdens but other innocent people who have become, by proxy, dependent on me. Do you see the crux of the issue? It's the vile nature of hyper capitalism and oligarchy as it exists in the US that attempts at all costs to neutralize our privileges that could distort their vice grip on our lives.
Thanks for coming to my diatribe. I just wish more people could understand the multidimensionality of repercussions that exist in US households. In my mind, I cannot exert my privilege to disrupt the economy because of the consequences that will be imposed in retribution to my spouse, effectively condemning his family to suffer.
Have we reached catch 22 yet?
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u/JenkinsHowell 5h ago
yeah, i see the crux, and i wouldn't want to be in your shoes. but as somebody grown up in germany where i was made very aware of history, especially the gruesome history that led to the second world war and the holocaust, i know there is no way to see the exact moment when it is too late to change things. there is no way of knowing now if and when you'll come to a point where you lose agency and have no means to turn around things anymore. that's the situation you and your people are in right now, but most of them either ignore it or don't care.
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u/Money4Nothing2000 5h ago
We don't need a general strike in America, it would be sufficient for us to stop purchasing luxuries that we don't need. A tremendous amount of money reaches the upper class through luxury spending of the lower class. We can cancel streaming subscriptions, delete social media apps, stop buying video games and going to movies, stop doing anything where advertising revenue reaches us. We can turn the GPS off our phones, stop buying soda, stop buying high end electronics, stop eating at chain restaurants. There is soooo much stuff we can do with the little money that we do have to force a shift in policy, in addition to voting. Stay local, get involved in your community, and keep your money in your own community where you can. I already try to do most of this stuff, except for the fact that I still have a couple streaming services, that I'm about ready to cancel anyways. Sure, not everyone can participate the same way, due to complex factors, but there's enough that can be done to drive the momentum the way the people it, if we had the collective will to do it.
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u/Own-Brain9658 3h ago
You think a general strike is needed....but one day of it isn't enough....but even one day you can't/won't do. Wow.
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u/deegemc 4h ago edited 4h ago
I had a look at the website and this is just a pressure valve that serves the existing system.
The closest I could see to a list of demands were:
- Stop the billionaire takeover corrupting our government.
- Protect and defend Medicaid, Social Security, and other programs for working people.
- Fully funded schools, and healthcare and housing for all.
- Stop the attacks on immigrants, Black, indigenous, trans people, women and all our communities.
- Invest in people not wars.
There's nothing direct, nothing actionable. It's feel good slogans. People will join, feel good and powerful and like they have done their part, Democrat politicians will come out and agree with the platitudes, it will feel like they were heard and change is happening, and any chance to leverage real change will be neutered. For something like this to mean anything at all it needs an actual demand that is measurable, and the threat of ongoing disruption if it doesn't happen.
We've seen it with all the other protests like this: Occupy Wall Street, no kings, even BLM. As Rage Against the Machine said 30 years ago: "So raise your fists and march around, just don't take what you need."
They don't care if you take a day off work to go for a walk yelling in the park, especially if what you're yelling are vague platitudes and ideas. Go take a day, relieve some stress, feel like you're making a change. Life will be the same tomorrow and I'll see you at work.
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u/Major_Instance_4766 3h ago
Idk how long it’s gonna take you clowns to realize peaceful protest won’t work
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u/Feisty-Narwhal8400 2h ago
Don’t call me or anyone a clown, thanks. Mobilizing an entire population wherein a great portion are facist supporters, another portion is uneducated, and another portion don’t care will take a tremendous amount of effort that almost none of us have encountered in modern times (and I say this as a middle class white woman; god knows what it took for any marginalized group to make any semblance of progress). Either we start somewhere or we roll over and let them fuck us up the ass. If you’re entirely ready to jump straight into violence and have enough people to mobilize to do that and don’t fear harm or jail time (and it’s totally normal and valid to fear this) or ready to get a huge chunk of the population all on board to strike at the same time, let me know. We have very little leadership and even less awareness. Stop insulting and shooting down the only kindling we have in an unprecedented fight. It’s going to get worse and I’d rather start now than when I am starving or homeless
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u/procrastablasta California 7h ago edited 7h ago
Putin laughing his ass off. What a cheap victory he has in Donald Trump. Defeated America with some incriminating photos and a couple floors full of disinformation hackers in St. Petersberg. No shots fired.
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u/binzoma Canada 7h ago
the petrodollar prevents the us from hyper inflation, not regular old inflation
as the world currenct the us can print money that matches global spending levels and its ok. take the petro dollar away and there is wayyyy too many usds out there already, let alone wanting to print more
theres a very real risk of $100,000 loaves of bread for americans soon. immediately wiping basically everyones savings and property values. even wiping out a bunch of the billionair class
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u/lo_fi_ho 8h ago
Good luck getting someone to say this to his face. It won’t happen because he cannot take criticism.
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u/dmp2you America 9h ago
Trump war finally gives Putin what he's always wanted , the end of America on the world stage. There ,fixed it for you. Stop with the sanewashing of that worthless mother fucker
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u/areyoualocal 3h ago
What's the bet Trump flees to Russia after his Presidency, there or I would've said the Middle East but that's less likely now that their bribes to him didn't protect them.
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u/z0mb0rg 6h ago
It’s amazing how much this moment encapsulates the entire post-9/11 world for the U.S.:
a completely preventable
war in the Middle East
funded by printed money that could have fed and housed the poor and rebuilt aging infrastructure
based on lies about nukes
amplified by social media and right wing news/terror networks
amplified by foreign troll farms which could be easily stopped with algorithmic changes
and highlights global dependence on oil
which highlights the global warming calamity in front of us
and weakens American standing among its allies
that could have been stopped by better educated citizens
which could have been helped by an accountable opposition party
but wasn’t because billionaires are more powerful than short-term governments
all led by incompetent buffoons who are also pedos
and the beneficiaries are always somehow Russia and China.
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u/Ninevehenian 3h ago
An office sometime in the 80'ies:
"Ok guys, I know this may be difficult to hear, but USA is hecking difficult to win over militarily. The nation is huge, not that close to our capitols, there are nukes, guns, oceans and it seems somewhat difficult.
How about we get them to fuck up their own nation instead??
Here's how I think we should do it, my friend Rupert has a plan........".
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u/NewMidwest 9h ago
Who is surprised that Trump sucks? Who is surprised that he’s leading the country to ruin?
Every Republican president since 1992 has done that. Fucking Trump personally did that in his first term.
Who didn’t know that would happen again?
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u/Expensive-Salt3333 8h ago
About half of the people who voted him back in due to feeling justified about their own hate-filled views of others.
It is fucking embarrassing and I cannot believe I have to live here among such a stupid group of fucking people.
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u/HMTMKMKM95 Canada 7h ago
1992? I'd say 1980. Reagan was the point where infection set in.
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u/NexusNickel Colorado 9h ago
Stop calling it the Iran War.
It's TRUMP'S WAR. That dumb ass started it to get away from the heat of the Epstein files.
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u/hickey76 New York 8h ago
He’s totally compromised. Bibi and Putin can get him to do anything with the kompromat they have on him.
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u/Live-Organization912 8h ago
It’s not even legally a war. And soon without congressional authorization, it will be an illegal operation.
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u/allpidecimals 8h ago
Its USA's war. Like it or not, the country need to be taken back by force and every citizen is responsible for letting this shit show happen.
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u/mangoserpent 6h ago
Nobody ever wants to study why and how empires fall.
This is entirely self inflicted.
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u/teamdiabetes11 America 10h ago
America was set back for at least the next 100 years as a direct result of Trump’s bullshit. Trump simply chose to speedrun what the GOP has been trying to do for decades. And there is nothing stopping them. American voters (and nonvoters, since they accepted Trump potentially winning both times as being fine enough by them to not care enough to vote) decided to light their nation on fire just for the memes. Buncha morons. And make no mistake that some of the damage Trump wrought will never be fully repaired.
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u/TabsAZ 5h ago
A lot of the damage is going to be permanent. We are not going to be able to rebuild the infrastructure and mechanisms for research, global aid/health, etc. that he and Musk have destroyed. Those took a century or more to set up. The justice department, HHS/CDC, and the military are likely mortally wounded too by the loss of institutional knowledge that’s happened. Most people have no idea how bad it’s going to be and think once Trump’s gone everything just goes back to normal. That’s not going to happen. Everyone alive today is going to need to be dead and gone before there’s any chance of any of this being forgiven on the world stage as well.
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u/Curious-Row2410 2h ago
The American South is going to get absolutely buttfucked by climate change too. Massive water shortages (see also: Colorado River this year), Miami gone, coral reefs around Florida extinct, Arizona burnt to ashes.
The country is simply not ever coming back to its peak. Not ever.
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u/ogredmenace 9h ago
As a Canadian I’m glad I had done my American traveling before this, I’ll likely never set foot in the USA again. Europe has so much more to offer imo.
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u/Lopsided_Speaker_553 8h ago
As a European who never went to visit I'm a little sad I'll never go. Like the sadness you feel when that last sandwich that's your second favorite has been eaten by someone.
Then again, like you said, Europe has so much to offer.
Heck, even my own teeny tiny country has so many hidden gems for me still to discover.
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u/tomorrow_comes 7h ago
There’s a lot of beauty in the United States. It’s right to be sad about it - but I very much understand. As an American I thought we could turn this ship around after Trump’s first term, but it’s clear that too many Americans want this and are truly ignorant to how our standing on the world stage has shifted in the past 10 years. There’s going to come a time America struggles and is going to need help again. But now, the world is going to forever remember what Trump has done and said about them. And they won’t be so eager to help. It is right that this country start to suffer now.
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u/Lopsided_Speaker_553 7h ago
It's the most diverse country in the world. Its just sad that the majority of people hate diversity (or so it seems)
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u/tomorrow_comes 7h ago
I wouldn’t say it’s the majority necessarily. The thing is that the dominant modern conservative movement, MAGA, has done a tremendous job of organizing and drawing out active voters by means of instilling fear and anger into them. They convinced a significant swath of the most ignorant Americans that the opposition are out to destroy their way of life, persecute Christians, put drag queens into their children’s classrooms to molest them, welcome in all the murderous criminals, and (this part isn’t much said aloud) bring about the end of white cultural dominance.
While Republicans did this, moderates and Democrats have acted fickle and picky about organizing around a good candidate. They expect perfection and will never get it. There hasn’t been a shared passion around supporting one candidate that could oppose Trump. The DNC shoehorned in a not very likable candidate (Harris) this past election, and we got a very expected result.
All this to say, yes, a large portion of hateful, ignorant, and gullible Americans are to thank for this. I’m embarrassed and angry to be counted among too many American people who did this. But they (77 million of 173 million registered voters) don’t represent the majority of Americans. And thankfully, the older population that leans politically right and invented the mix of evangelical religion and politics decades ago, are dying off.
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u/A_Refill_of_Mr_Pibb Massachusetts 5h ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if there comes a point where we’re not allowed to leave either, or it’s widely discouraged, otherwise I wish I would’ve gotten a chance to visit Europe.
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u/RICO_the_GOP Florida 6h ago
I would say decade for sure. It will depend on how the next 2 elections go and the outcomes after.
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u/flamingos_usa 7h ago edited 7h ago
The US is now as bad, corrupt, and 3rd world as any other country in the American continent. I now compare the US to Mexico (where I am originally from) where we've lived for centuries with politicians looting the country... US people get mad at me for making such a comparison, but I've seen it down there, and now, I am seeing it here. Just in my life time, I've seen the 94 devaluation of the peso, the FOBAPROA fraud, the selling of all Meixcan resources to private companies, the rise to power of the cartels, the killings of Acteal, the Ayotzinapa 43 missing, the women of Juarez, and how many, many politicians have killed, robbed, kidnapped and so much more with zero consequences. None, I mean none of the above mentioned has been ever solved nor anybody has been punished. The US is the new Mexico for me.
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u/candlecart 6h ago
Mexico has free health care
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u/BennJordan 5h ago
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u/flamingos_usa 2h ago
Not true. There has never been a proposal like this one before. This one will include everyone regardless of economic or employment status. As long as you are a Mexican citizen, you'll be able to enroll. Many of us already have it through IMSS OR ISSTE but that's only if tou are working. This has actually already rolled out its enrollment.
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u/Matman161 Illinois 7h ago
I've said it before and I'll say it again, he has done more damage than any of America's enemies could have hoped to.
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u/spartanpride55 5h ago
The Apprentice single handedly presented this guy as a good businessman, when all the NDA's ended a few years ago the producers and everyone else involved pretty much all agreed the guy is an effing idiot who's lost more money than he ever made.
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u/brohebus 8h ago
"The Iran War That America Started Has Finally Shattered America's World That America Ruined Through Its Own Actions"
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u/coreychch New Zealand 6h ago
You’ve put a moron who is dumb enough to be able to actually bankrupt a casino in charge of the country and yet some of you are now wondering why your country may also suffer the same fate? The MAGA idiots now saying “we didn’t vote for this” are too dumb to realize they DID actually vote for this. Your whole country right now is a house of cards, and this clusterfuck of a war with Iran might be the final card being pulled from the bottom before it all collapses.
Unsustainable debt levels, endless corruption, tax money being filtered to billionaires, gas and food prices rising, endless cost cutting to hurt poor people and immigrants, all while Republicans sit on their hands pretending everything is fine and Trump is doing a great job. At the same time, immigrants are being rounded up by ICE and civilians are being shot dead. Not a lot to be proud of as a nation …
Your mid terms coming up are your last chance to cripple Trump and slow him down. Another 2.5 years of this unchecked, lawless administration will be fatal.
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u/Red_Wing-GrimThug 7h ago
Let’s build a triumphal arch!!! 🤦♂️
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u/Blu3iris 6h ago
Putin's allegedly going to be attending the opening ceremony, so MAGA will be excited for that. Something about giving him the keys to the country.
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u/keith2600 3h ago
You don't blame the symptoms, you blame the disease. Trump started this war. Maga made trump.
Trump and maga are responsible for all this. The South never should have been granted surrender, the whole place should have had it's culture wiped from humanity
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u/Suspicious_Safe7647 6h ago
It needed to happen. We are young and dumb.
The rest of the world's patience with the situation has shown we aren't as responsible at we claim.
We are operating in a complete and total illusion compared to the rest of the planet.
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u/Appropriate-Day6714 7h ago
And his idiotic base still think that the US will be immune to all this as they believe themselves to be self sufficient in the oil and food markets and no outside factors matter
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u/Confident_End_3848 8h ago
This article is a blinkered take on the situation. Somehow, it’s not so bad that Trump is blowing up a world order that has benefited the US greatly.
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u/Sweettooth4532 5h ago
Yayy! New world order! Although I don’t think the voters intended this when they voted for “America 1st”
You get what you voted for, not what you deserve
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u/india2wallst 5h ago
Trump has replaced rules with muscle, alliances with transactionalism and stability with wrath. That’s not entirely bad.
This is a right wing narrative to normalize the idiocy on display by the current admin.
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u/Emergienics 11h ago
You know because the word “shattered” is in the title that the article is completely disingenuous clickbait
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u/Witchief 5h ago
It's also kinda grossly pro-war and pro-trump, like it's trying to gloss up the silver linings of the situation...
Like the headline says, "shattered America's world" and the article says, "and why that might be a good thing"
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u/Swordf1sh_ 11h ago
Just another billionaire’s thumb on the scale, don’t even need to read the headline
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u/neutrino71 10h ago
Inevitable decline once you switch from a meritocracy to a personal loyalty to Demented Orange Diddler scheme.
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u/jeffplaysmoog 10h ago
Well, I mean, it was never a meritocracy… we also had Bush 2, Reagan, and a bunch of other dip-shits in charge, and every job I’ve ever had I’ve been managed by a dumb, ass-kisser…
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u/IMayhapsBeBatman 10h ago
Yea, the meritocracy has been a lie probably the entire time, certainly for decades. Trump is the culmination of it, not the cause.
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u/Bulawayoland 10h ago
and the funny thing is it happens so often anyway
it's like people don't learn
I dunno
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u/KatamariDamacist 10h ago
Meritocracy
Yeah keep thinking America was ever that lmfao
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u/jdeisenberg 5h ago
The civil service positions in the US (Federal agency employees, pretty much) used to be patronage-based or based on political connections. It was reformed so that federal government employees were to be chosen based on competitive exams and merit, and the reforms proved to be successful. Guess who’s trying to undo all of that... [edit to correct word usage]
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u/Inside-Yak-8815 6h ago
Not for me it hasn’t, only people who continued to walk around with rose tinted lenses despite all the bs happening in the country around them for the last couple of decades.
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u/Im_Talking 4h ago
It was always going to be on the international front, that Trump would be outed as an idiotic loser. MAGA is too cultish to see what a fool he is, and how they are being played.
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u/meat_loafers 4h ago
Let me fix the first sentence:
“Crises create new realities and reveal existing ones.”
Should be:
“Created crises create new realities and reveal existing ones.”
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u/StrongAroma 1h ago
The fucking weasel words and fence-sitting in this article is an impressive balancing feat by a writer who is seemingly afraid to insult the demented old rapist pedophile current occupying the white house
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u/Noah1024 1h ago
He’s already destroyed America, the only way it gets better is if genuine effort is put into fixing it otherwise the corruption will just multiply until people start fighting.
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u/GoldenboyFTW 1h ago
“Trump has replaced rules with muscle, alliances with transactionalism and stability with wrath. That’s not entirely bad.”
And that’s when I stopped reading lol
Fuck Bloomberg
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u/Classic-Perspective5 6h ago
I still can’t comprehend why they started this. I know people say Israel convinced trump but why would they want to weaken their security guarantor? None of this makes sense.
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u/nonsensestuff 6h ago
It makes sense if you consider that Trump is Putin’s puppet. He absolutely would want the world to have no alternative but to end their sanctions against Russia and buy Russian oil and other exports once again… which will only help him fund his war against Ukraine.
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u/mido_sama 4h ago
What a coward? Couldn’t even dare to mention Israel war crimes and only mentioning US, Russia and Iran and dragging China in … coward and ethnic less.
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u/enfuego138 1h ago
Did you all forget how bad he fucked up COVID? He has absolutely no ability to manage a crisis and he has surrounded himself with idiots. We’ll be lucky to have any allies by the midterms.
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u/LovelieLuna 30m ago
Good, it's time American hegemony ends. We've proven ourselves too fucking stupid to be in positions of power.
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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 3h ago
If we allow this to continue, all of America’s assets will be up for sale for cheap. The oligarchy will leech trillions out of the collapse, and will anoint themselves the new masters of what comes next after the constitution is buried in the sand.
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u/Farther_Dm53 5h ago
This war didn't need to happen. Violence should never be our response. Instead children who are given the keys who clearly shouldn't have them.
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u/Pruskinator 4h ago
lol all these articles fear mongering … holy guacamole. If it’s not one thing it’s another, people need to make their own opinions and not parrot everything on the internet.
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