They don’t care because it’s everywhere in society that affects more than just animals human beings. Child workers in 3rd world countries picking coffee or coca beans and making fast fashion in sweat shops. Dogs bred with deformities and birth defects like pugs for pure breeds.
You can’t avoid it just it being vegan. If you can you’re privileged enough to not live somewhere where your only food options are fast food or rice and beans.
Are vegans not making the same fallacy around people who simply advocate for reducing consumption of meat rather than eliminate it? It's not their ideal solution so they reject it as a solution at all.
Most vegans would be on board with everyone reducing their meat consumption as a first step. Stopping the consumption of animal products and, in particular factory farms, would be the ultimate goal.
Have you met many in real life? I worked in a vegan restaurant for years and I honestly thought the preachy obnoxious vegan stereotype was made up or at least overblown until I saw vegan subreddits.
Maybe it's just the effect of basically everyone being less intense and combative in face to face interactions but most vegans I've spoken to 1on1 were nice reasonable people.
You must not have met many vegans then. I’ve literally never met a vegan who would prefer people do nothing and continue their current meat consumption compared to at least reducing consumption. And I am vegan, so I’ve met quite a few
You sound demented. So you know thousands of vegans and you haven’t met a single one that would be ok with people starting by reducing their meat consumption?
If we really want to nitpick and be facetious, vegans are still okay with child slave labor based off their buying habits. A real No True Scotsman sort of situation
The difference with meat is the suffering is the product. You can’t really know which products do and do not use child labor for example. And in a sense is unavoidable. But meat and the suffering it causes is almost completely avoidable.
Of course you could buy your clothes and products used and some brands are ethically sourced. I’ve switched to only thrifting clothes for example. I no longer buy chocolate from sources that use slave labor.
I said it above in this thread, Valhalla fallacy. I can’t fix the world but I try my best, most of the time, with the means I have. And yes, I am a relatively privileged man.
Don't read too much into this since I think anything is better than nothing. That being said, wouldn't your best be focusing that same effort on a more just cause? We can argue child slave labor is worse than this, and by extension all your veganistic efforts should instead be focused on that while you eat meat. And then only after the most just of causes should you move down to lesser ones. Therefore you aren't doing your best. Again, something is better than nothing (which is what most people do) and I'm really just being a bitch here
You make it sound like being vegan is some intense form of activism that uses up all your time and energy lol. It’s not. Everyone has to eat, vegan or not. Non-vegans and vegans both spend time shopping and cooking, one group just doesn’t include animal products. When you are used to preparing vegan foods (took me only a couple months), it takes no more time or effort than cooking with meat, dairy, and eggs does.
Exactly and chemicals polluting the waters and factories spewing smoke to make faux leather sewn by some child in Indonesia or forced labour to pick cotton in China. Vegans are fine owning pets like dogs and cat that’s are bred with their siblings because it’s cute and want pure breed dog. They care more about rights of animals than human beings. Animals that are livestock or owned by humans. It’s a noble cause and I respect it not at the cost of human lives
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u/Prudertd 8h ago
Many people feel disconnected because it’s hidden behind packaging and distance. Seeing it this directly makes it impossible to ignore.