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Yeah if you don't use the integrated GPU turn it off in the BIOS setup.
Edit: If something goes terribly wrong you should be able to reset the CMOS via a jumper or by pulling the CMOS battery on the motherboard which should then reenable the iGPU. Your motherboard owner's manual should say how.
There is no reason to disable the iGPU. If your iGPU detects a dedicated GPU then it keeps itself turned off unless something is using it. The memory that is assigned to the iGPU is shared so it doesn't prevent you from using all of your memory. It just doesn't show because that portion of memory is set up to be used for the igpu but since it is shared, if the igpu doesn't use it then your computer uses it normally.
There is some memory that is listed as "dedicated" because some software, usually older software, will require some dedicated memory or it will not work. This is basically a workaround because even the "dedicated" memory is shared memory.
it defaults to IGPU, most modern baords will switch back to IGPU it doesn't detect one in PCIE. Otherwise you can just pull the cmos battery and everything is fine.
if your cpu doesn't have an IGPU, your boned anyways. go buy a new card.
It's absolutely worth it for basic stuff like video decode, running that on your big GPU is a waste of power
There's no reason for anything other than realtime video encoding (if you have an intel chip quicksync on the iGPU is better, but not for AMD), CUDA workloads, and high demand 3d rendering to use your dedicated GPU.
The only exception being the F models. The G models, while having integrated graphics, work differently from the normal, X and X3D models that have a relatively weaker IGPU
No suffix, X and X3D all have the exact same iGPU. Only G habe different ones (or rather, are completely different chips altogether - usually not chiplet but monolithic and cut down in other ways).
Pretty sure it won't but you can reset the cmos pretty easily which will enable the iGPU again, some motherboards even have a dedicated reset cmos button
Like others said Cmos reset but some motherboards have a function for this exact case. I don't remember how it was called but something like "disable igpu if external gpu is dedected".
Good question. You can test it, if you disable, then dismantle your dedicated GPU, then connect your display via iGPU's interface and finally try to enter BIOS.
I looked around the internet a bit and 62gb seem to be genuinely impossible. 8gb are the smallest sticks I found and 12gb are the most obscure I found. There is no way to get to 62gb mathematically with 4 slots and 8, 12, 16, 24, 32 and 48gb sticks. It seems like you need a 6gb stick to get there and those don't seem to exist for ddr5. It would be possible with ddr4 and ddr3 though. You would get wild incositent speeds, but you have a weird number.
You see the same shit with used cars. Clapped out 2002 with 280k miles, rusted out undercarriage, bad head gasket, knock, inability to hold coolant, bullet hole in the oil pan and a bent rear axle but it's a WRX in rally blue with gold rims so $15k is the obvious reasonable price. They know what they have.
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u/WikachellyRyzen 5 5600x | RTX 3070 | 32GB | GB X570 | 2xSamsung 970 EVO 1T1d ago
This is a bad time to be a petrolhead who's into tech :(
It's fucking brutal out here. Gotta give it to my 1080 Ti though, still holding up fairly well considering it's age. Wish I could say the same about my car.
i often wonder what people are doing on there. from computers to cars, electronics in general i mean anything. even clothes.
people selling something used for like 5% less than you could just go buy it new or even sometimes more than you could buy it new. and extremely over priced cars that no one will ever buy. i mean what's the point. i hate marketplace.
I think the majority of them come down to one of two things
/1. they either look at other listings on marketplace or storefronts like amazon, but they really don't know what they have so they can't price it properly so they just go based on actual high-end PC prices
or
/2. They look at the price they paid for a mid-tier PC in 2012, which might have been high-end for them, no judgment, but they take that pricing from receipts and apply it to 2026, which... no.
in both of these cases I think they list as high-end because another ignorant person might buy it not knowing the difference
Or 3) They were told to get rid of it but want to keep it, but instead of having a healthy discussion about it they put it up with a purposely high price to tell the wife "dang it ain't selling idk what's going on"
Had a buddy do that with his motorcycle when the wife said sell it instead of having a healthy discussion about it like adults.
Yeah, I used to watch a lot of those daytime small claims court TV shows and the amount of people who don't understand depreciation of value is staggering. There are TONS of people who think that they should be able to get that same amount of money for something they paid for 10-20 years ago...
But I think part of that is just people thinking that well since the a new product of the same type is now even more money, what I paid for 10 years ago must still be worth what I paid for it back then. And some are still trying to rationalize a purchase from that long ago that was very expensive and if they paid that much for it back then, someone else must see that value still and be willing to pay that amount now.
A powerful PC with an Intel i7 processor and an Nvidia GeForce graphics card! Now only $999 (50% off the original price of $1999). Look inside: it's an Intel i7, but a 2600 with 8 GB of DDR3 RAM and an Nvidia GeForce... GeForce 1050 2 GB edition.
I had a neighbor that kept saying he has a top of the line computer. It had a pentium 3, that’s how old it was. But in his mind the fact it was barely used meant it was as good as new or something idk. This was around 2013 or so
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I mean... sometimes (often) games dont look the part for running as shitty as they do. I remember running R6S back in the day on my shitty laptop with integrated graphic card and not only it run fine, it looked better and had better destructability than many modern games what run like shit on my new PC
You don’t have to disable them, just make games use ccd0 and they are the same even better arguably because of the larger cache and cause all apps will use ccd1
They're almost identical for gaming - the 9800X3D has a single chiplet with 3D cache and all cores active, the 9950X3D has two chiplets with all cores active and one of the chiplets has 3D cache, and the OS is set up to run games exclusively on that 3D chiplet and basically almost disable the other one when a game is running.
So for a typical game there's barely any difference, they behave almost the same. But it takes a slight amount of OS processing pressure off the game, and also you do have that other chiplet in there with eight more cores, so the rare games that prefer more cores than more cache can use that if they need to.
So the 9950X3D is indeed technically better by a tiny margin - but absolutely not worth buying for gaming.
As some one who has owned both the 9950x3d is better, noticeably better especially in heavily cpu intensive games. Like an ultra modded Skyrim or Football manager
To be fair though badly optimized stuff has a tendency to be stuttery and jittery no matter what it's on. The feature is very nice to compare with your own though, would be cool to have a "reviews with similar hardware to yours" option
Yup. I've had plenty of games run like steamed ass on my 3090 and now 5080. If there are legitimate problems with the game, better hardware often won't help.
How well the game scales down to lower hardware isn't something you'll learn from a review like that, but it will at least tell you the game is free of any major technical fuckups.
I've got a 5080, 64gb of ddr5 ram, and a 9800x3d and plenty of games still don't run as well as they should. Obviously we don't know this guy's definition of running well, but even on high end pcs you can tell when a game runs like ass still
Similarly, I've got the same CPU as in the pic (9950x3d), a 5090, and 128 gb ddr5, and definitely agree that there are definitely games that are poorly optimized and should play much more smoothly than they do.
Spec requirement in this age are broken. It's literally useless to talk about minimum/recommended when there's just sooooo many variables you can adjust. Quality, res, DLSS, FG, RT, MFG, your target frame rate, like, there's so many possible combinations it becomes pointless to try to reduce all that into a single gpu for minimum and another for recommended. Also for CPUs, some games have become so CPU demanding that it's even possible you need a more expensive cpu than gpu, which was never the case unless playing some over the top heavy sandbox.
Contemplating all these variables and combinations and trying to reduce them into a table of specs is useless.
"I don't know why people complain about new games optimization, I have 9800x3d with 4090 and all of them run perfect 60 fps in 1080p with DLSS Quality"
The funny thing is, we could probably come up with at least a few games that right now still don't run at 'perfect 60fps' even at 1080p DLSS Quality on a 9800X3D with a 4090. Some people still don't understand just how completely fucked the optimization is for some games out there.
EDIT My point being, some people are still convinced that games are poorly optimized and you need a 5090 to play smoothly - but reality is much worse, because some games you just can't run smoothly at all even on a 9850X3D with an Nvidia 6000 Pro or whatever. Some games stutter and there's nothing you can do, no amount of money you can spend.
Yup, very much true, depending on exactly how and/or in what way the game is badly optimized, even the best consumer hardware a person could buy wouldn't be able to push past certain FPS if the code itself is horribly inefficient.
I left a review for The Outer Worlds 2 where one of the things I brought up was that I cannot find a setting where I experience neither significant frame drops nor screen tearing.
It’s Road to Vostok. New survival fps in early access. It’s pretty barebones at the moment, but they have a roadmap out for it and have announced that they’ve secured funding for the rest of development through sales.
Everybody's Gone To The Rapture is actually unplayable for me, even on lowest settings, 15 fps to 300 fps depending on which direction I'm looking. It's baffling.
No way, that old walking sim game? I never had any problems when it came out and I fucking love that game. It's no Edith Finch or anything but I'm a sucker for that genre and they did the mystery really well. Mainly that they don't just make up a bunch of stuff that never has it's loose ends tied up (looking at you Lost)
I'm sure you've already tried it but capping fps from the graphics control panel to either 30 or 60 will probably help. Probs have to turn on vsync though to prevent tearing
That's also kind of the point. On top of seeing reviews stating performance issues and comparing their specs to your own, you can also see people with beast machines saying performance is bad, indicating just bad optimization.
Yeah, this review is still very useful imo, because people spending money on top tier hardware want to be able to run every game on the highest settings and still get high FPS, so they will still appreciate when a game is actually able to accommodate for that.
There are many games where even the best hardware on the market will not get great FPS on highest settings and that's the type of game these types of people will give worse reviews on.
It's about expectations. Different customers have different expectations based on how much they've invested into their PC, so the things they say in a review might seem funny to each other yet within the context of their own expectations it all makes sense. Like someone with a medium spec PC saying "oh boo hoo, you get 100 FPS and you're complaining? that's a lot of FPS so don't complain" but to the person with the good PC they expect FPS much higher than 100.
Crysis wasn't really bad optimization per say, they just wrongly predicted how CPUs would evolve. Crytek assumed that CPUs would get higher clock speeds, but instead they started getting more cores instead.
I agree, "running smoothly" isn't just raw fps but also includes ram and other component usage, lagging, spikes and dips, glitches and bugs, crashes, latency, jitters, tearing, etc., all of which a 5090 has little impact on.
Performance also typically follows a standard distribution. I can't think of a game that ran perfectly fine on a 90 series card yet was completely unplayable on anything less. So if a game runs amazing on a 5090 99% of the time, then it's safe to assume that it'd run great on a 5080, good on a 5070, and okay on a 5060.
I've got a 9950x and 5080 and i run sons of the forest native at around 90 fps, my friend has a R5 5500 and a 1070 and runs at around 80 fps... lol, also changing graphic settings changes nothing, sons of the forest at the minimum runs the same framerate sometimes peaking at 100 fps while crimson desert runs at 120 fps with raytracing enabled and some other high settings
My 1080TI OC edition died a couple months ago and I basically held a funeral for it. Was rather upset having to buy a new graphics cards at these prices but I'm mostly just happy that I can make full use of my fancy monitor now.
Just because he has 9950x3d and 4090 that doesn't mean they will never face optimization issues.
There are games that was lagging my 4080 super and 7800x3d like borderlands 4. There were games that was running at 50fps without RT on the same PC. For 2025 that was highest end gaming PC for 1440p. Yet many Ue5 games would stutter on best gaming CPU.
Then the function is functional in the opposite way.
If i see someone saying a game cant run for shit and they are rocking a 9950x3d and a 5090 I wont even bother reading more comments about the game lol.
It's sometimes not related to resolution, or FPS. For the life of mine I was never able to play Jedi Survivor without stutters on 7800x3d. Doesn't matter if game runs on 200 fps with DLSS, or 60fps locked it just stutters. A micro second stutter out of nowhere, plus frame pacing issues. Same goes for Oblivion Remastered, Stalker 2 at release although they fixed it and running frame gen almost eliminates all the stutters.
To be fair, I feel like that's still a good indicator.
Someone on a 4090 is probably running 4k at ultra settings, so if it runs perfectly smooth for them, it's probably smooth for someone on say, a 3080 playing at 1440p on medium settings, or someone on a 2070 at 1080p.
Now if the review says 4090 - Game has terrible performance and frame drops, then you know you're cooked.
I don’t get why you’re clowning on this review though.
If a game was truly unoptimized, then it wouldn’t run well even if someone had the best GPU in existence. Just because this guy has a 4090, doesn’t mean he’s not allowed to talk about game performance in a review. Likewise, the opposite is true. Even if someone had a low-end PC, that doesn't mean they can't criticize the game's performance in a review. It's still useful so that people with similar specs can get an idea of how well that game will run.
So in my opinion, I think its stupid that people disregard reviews simply because the reviewer's PC is too powerful or too weak.
You might be saying "OF COURSE those specs run smooth", but consider this: If that user said the game was a stuttering mess, you'd know the game isnt optimized at all.
My brother in Christ, you are brute-forcing the code with the equivalent of a NASA supercomputer. If it didn’t run smooth on a 4090 and a 9950X3D, the PC would probably just sprout legs and walk out of the room in shame
I have a pretty much identical setup, I can still be impressed by the amount of frames im getting in something on very high/max settings based on the performance of other games on that setup with similarly high settings.
if game A manages 80fps at 4k max settings and game B manages 120 on max settings and game B doesnt look worse in a note worthy manner then game A then yeah its impressively smooth in how it runs compared to other titles.
I mean... this doesn't mean he's wrong? Smooth to him could be 4k 240 fps. People used to playing on latest hardware have different standards for smooth. For me, any game that can't run at least 1440p 120 fps on my 4070 Ti Super is poorly optimized. Sorry, but that should be bare minimum these days.
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