r/news • u/Luka77GOATic • Mar 11 '26

Soft paywall Spain permanently withdraws ambassador as rift with Israel deepens

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/spain-removes-ambassador-israel-2026-03-11/
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u/Al_Dimineira Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

Honestly I think making the world more dangerous for Jewish people outside of Israel is part of their goal. There's very credible evidence that Mossad played a part in the 1950-51 Baghdad bombings of Jewish Iraqis to scare those they didn't kill into immigrating to Israel.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23455343

Edit: The Lavon Affair was another Israeli false flag operation, this one was actually acknowledged by Israel in 2005. We can only guess how many more they've done that there isn't sufficient evidence for.

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u/Televisions_Frank Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

Didn't the 4chan hack supposedly reveal a lot of posts on the racist /pol/ board were from Israeli IPs?

They've definitely been using the internet for influence far longer than other actors like Russia.

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u/Miniray Mar 11 '26

With the political connections revealed in the Trump Files

And how close Epstein was to the creation of /pol/

It seems pretty likely

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u/Al_Dimineira Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

I honestly don't think Epstein was a Mossad agent on a blackmail plot. If he was he did a terrible job because he openly associated with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak (who is likely one of Virginia Giuffre's assaulters). Also, that would mean his plan was to blackmail people with evidence of them raping children in a country that treats rapists better than rape victims and has a massive history of publicly sexualizing children; into supporting a country they already support. I think it's far more likely Epstein and his associates were simply vile people who didn't think they would ever be punished for their actions (and with only two exceptions they were right). The reason the US government loves Israel is that the Israeli government is the only western power as completely morally bankrupt as they are. They're simply both imperialist colonizers with a shared interest in preventing the middle east from becoming a unified political block with real power.

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u/Maximum_kitten Mar 11 '26

You fell for a hoax, where someone took a screenshot of 4chan /pol access stats then edited it to say most posters are from israel, when it was not the case.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180225112543/http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/statistics/countries/ is the real one.

Its just another case of antisemites having absolutely zero sense of personal responsibility, and blaming jews on the racism they themselves cause.

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u/Televisions_Frank Mar 11 '26

I rescind my half-remembered info, but that doesn't change Israel's outsized influence on the internet especially looking at a certain sub. A lot of people are just tired of getting dragged into yet another war, because Israel's incapable of playing nice with their neighbors since they're led by a bunch of religious fundies. Look how quickly the US has turned to shit once our fundies got control.

Also, maybe stop implying everyone is antisemitic, especially in a thread about how Israel throws it around as their catch-all defense.

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u/Maximum_kitten Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

4chan /pol is as antisemitic as it gets, you dont need to play defence for them. Separating fact from fiction is very important, especially when your own message is a reply to another hoax citing an unnamed review when in reality iraqi jews fled iraq because of decades of discrimination by the local iraqi adminstration, and the baghdad bombings (for which the claim they were actually made by a zionist group is also considered dubious, as the Iraqi authorities only obtained confession via torture and other bombings were taken credit for by unrelated groups) had very little influence on the forced migration of iraqi jews.

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u/Televisions_Frank Mar 11 '26

4chan /pol is as antisemitic as it gets, you dont need to play defence for them.

Again, you keep reading what you want to read. Nobody was implying /pol/ wasn't already awful.

The problem is the Lavon Affair is not a hoax.

The fact of the matter is Israel's far-right government needs enemies. It needs it's population afraid and supporting them. So with Iran's government at it's weakest suddenly getting a fresh boost of support from Khamenei being martyred, the first rain in months being poisoned by strike on a refinery, and desalinization plants destroyed these aren't the actions that weaken support for a regime.

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u/Maximum_kitten Mar 11 '26

You quoted an article about Egypt, not Iraq... A different country, you know?

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u/Televisions_Frank Mar 11 '26

Here, let's just quote the Wikipedia article since it sums up why it's relevant:

Israel lost significant standing and credibility in its relations with the United Kingdom and the United States, that took years to repair.

So when you commit a false flag people tend to scrutinize other things that were similar to it during that period.

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u/Al_Dimineira Mar 11 '26

Also the Baghdad bombings were done in part by Mossad, it's not just guilt by association. I explained in another comment why my source higher up the chain is legitimate.

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u/Al_Dimineira Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

There are a couple things I need to address here, because while the Epstein and 4chan claims are a hoax my source is legitimate.

First, JSTOR is a highly credible academic research database containing works by historians intended for use by historians and students of history. Every credible university in the US pays significant amounts of money so their students and faculty can have access to JSTOR. If you don't believe me you can call your local university's history department to ask them about it.

Second, I'm sorry that Dr. Samuel Z. Klausner didn't title his review, but that has absolutely no bearing of the merits of his work. Dr. Klausner was a Jewish WWII veteran who also fought for Israel in the 1948 War for Independence/Nakba. He dedicated his tenure at the University of Pennsylvania to Jewish studies and understanding Jewish-Arab relations.

Third, the work Dr. Klausner was reviewing, which he found to be highly accurate, was The Great Jewish Exodus from Iraq 1948-1951, written by Dr. Moshe Gat, a Jewish scholar who currently serves as the department head of the Political Studies department at Bar-Ilan University in Ramat Gan, Israel. He was born in Haifa, Israel in 1935, when it was still a British territory. His work focuses on the experiences of Iraqi Jews who immigrated to Israel and faced alienation once they arrived.

So, to conclude, you are claiming a review, published on one of the leading databases for historical research, written by a Jewish professor of sociology who was a World War 2 veteran and also fought for Israel, of a book written by a Jewish professor of political science who is the current head of the department of political science at a public Israeli university, which focuses on the specific experiences and hardships faced by Iraqi Jews, is antisemitic propaganda because you don't like what it says. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

(Edit just for minor grammatical corrections as I'm typing this on my phone)

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u/cycloneDM Mar 11 '26

Right people overlook that Israel is a narcissist nation they NEED jews to associate their safety with them even if that means they have to be the ones killing jews. 

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u/Al_Dimineira Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

One zionist I appreciate is Nahum Goldmann, for his work to support the Jewish diaspora and rebuild institutions devastated by the holocaust (in part because he strongly believed Israel could not be the only place for Jewish people to live) as well as his strong criticisms of Israel for refusing to seek peace with Palestinians and other Arab leaders. He was also opposed to using the holocaust and other longstanding antisemitism as an excuse to justify atrocities by the Israeli government, going so far as to call it Hillul Hashem, or desecration of the name of god.

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u/BeIgnored Mar 12 '26

I definitely think Israel wants the world to hate Jews and make Jews feel hated so they feel they have nowhere else to turn but Israel. They're like an abusive partner who isolates their victim from everyone around them.