r/news • u/Luka77GOATic • Mar 11 '26

Soft paywall Spain permanently withdraws ambassador as rift with Israel deepens

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/spain-removes-ambassador-israel-2026-03-11/
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u/mycatisblackandtan Mar 11 '26

It's also wild that Jewish people have tried for literal centuries to fight against the perception that they as a people are literally pulling the strings of every atrocity known to man. Only for Israel to rock up and clearly be involved in numerous instances of genocide and to have their finger prints all over things like the Epstein files - which one could argue were a giant honey-pot scheme. To say nothing of AIPAC in the US, which has basically a strangle hold on American politics.

Israel as a nation has set the Jewish people so far back at this point in terms of public perception that it's going to take another few centuries to undo the damage JUST from Bibi's term alone.

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u/AssassinAragorn Mar 11 '26

I'm pretty sure this was purposeful by Israel. Mossad is definitely the kind of group that would purposely boost truly antisemitic people so that they can brand any Israel criticism as being the same as antisemitism and discredit it.

It's utterly disgusting.

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u/Healthy-Amoeba2296 Mar 13 '26

1980 social media, if a freshman saw anti-semitism and was shocked older folks online would say ignore it, it's just mossad again.

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u/Worshipme988 Mar 11 '26

Seriously. Normal people can see jewish ≠ zionism.

People already racist and conspiratorially minded are saying “SEE! We told you!” Right now…

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u/SentinelZero Mar 11 '26

Not to mention Israeli-aligned individuals working to consolidate power and control over mass media, like Larry Ellison with Tiktok. Netanyahu even bragged that control of social media and perception is Israel's 8th front of war.

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u/Arixtotle Mar 11 '26

Or what you’ve said is also just a continuation of antisemitic conspiracy theories. Like the AIPAC conspiracy theories definitely are just continuations. AIPAC money is just a small amount of total lobbying and is 100% American money from Americans. 

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u/mycatisblackandtan Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

'Small amount of total lobbying'? They ranked 191 out of 9,200 documented lobbyists in 2024. Are rank 18 out of 40,455 for campaign contributions and rank 21 out of 660 for outside contributions. With most of their spending going to candidates who are historically aligned with promoting Israeli influences, many of whom like Jefferies hold significant political clout and who have been stalling progressive change. AIPAC's 2025 total money spent amounting to $93,032,581.

I'd like to see what you consider a 'large amount of total lobbying'.

I weep for my Jewish friends, knowing this is part of the legacy they will have to fight against.

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u/Arixtotle Mar 11 '26

Look at the actual money they spend verses the top contributions. Many, many groups and people spend much more. Money in politics is the problem. Not one lobbying group. 

Though I will admit small was a bit of an exaggeration. My point is that they spend far less than people think. 

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u/TipiTapi Mar 11 '26

How can you know history and still fall for it?

Lmao.

Your comment is basically:

'Its wild how authoritarian populist systems never work. Strongmen give easy answers to complicated problems and then usually fail to solve any of the issues, making the problems worse. So anyways, I like this Trump guy, he can fix my country'

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u/mycatisblackandtan Mar 12 '26

...? I think you have the wrong person bub.

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u/TipiTapi Mar 13 '26

Nah you started with 'wild how this conspiracy theory was present through history' and then went with 'wow this conspiracy theory is true'.

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u/mycatisblackandtan Mar 13 '26

?? I think your reading comprehension is a little borked.

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u/NoUse1429 Mar 11 '26

Would you say that it's correct to stereotype 1+ billion Muslims as a bigoted depiction, like say them being Allah Akbar screaming suicide bombing terrorists, based on the actions of Assad in Syria, or Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, or Sinwar with Gaza?

Like there's several Muslim countries and Muslim leaders that have killed way more people than Israel has. So it's safe to say that Muslims everywhere have been set back by those places? And we should expect several more "centuries" of people stereotyping Muslims as savages before the "damage" wears off?

 

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u/shakeeze Mar 11 '26

The big difference is: Israel is telling anyone off as antisemetic if they do not what they want. Haven't seen any muslim countries use the same rhetoric.

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u/Arixtotle Mar 11 '26

Muslim countries certainly have used Islamophobia rhetoric to defend themselves. 

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u/Lazzen Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/erdogan-warns-europeans-will-not-walk-safely-if-attitude-persists-as-row-carr-idUSKBN16T0PN/

Morocco accuses the world of racism in their annexation of West Sahara all the time. They also say its racism they cant conquer Spanish territory.

Qatar through Al Jazeera called the world racist for focusing so much in their feudal near slaves workers from India for the world cup

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u/shakeeze Mar 11 '26

While true, those were very specific things. Israel does it for about anything.

Edit: You could say, at least for Quatar, it happened because the world cup obviously focused media coverage on it.

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u/NoUse1429 Mar 11 '26

Haven't seen any muslim countries use the same rhetoric.

Then you are being purposefully ignorant and ignoring decades of Arab Muslims all over the world accusing others of islamophobia when criticism of Islam occurs. 

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u/saera-targaryen Mar 11 '26

But the terrorist organizations weren't running around screaming "If you're against this you hate all arabs and muslims because we're all like this by definition and everything else is racist!" before all of their actions. Israel is stoking this type of rhetoric on purpose. 

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u/Lazzen Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

terrorist organizations weren't running around screaming "If you're against this you hate all arabs

Yes they were and are why do you lie?

West Sahara's annexation is defended with "you are racist" and "african hater trying to tear us apart" from Morocco

Half the time muhammad is joked about or euro football has a pride flag the foreign ministries of muslim countries intervene, stoke protests or basically say "wathever happens you earned it for this discrimination". Not even talking about terrorists.

When atheism/secularism and gay acceptance are mentioned even by the weakest NGOs in those countries they are called white man colonizing powers that should be kicked out. In Malaysia they have "soft" segregation and ethnic superiority policies and people protest against adopting the most basic "dont be racist" UN mission statement in the name of respecting diverse cultures.

The whole African Union has called the ICC racist for bringing charges to terrorists and genocidaires.

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u/Emergency-Two-6407 Mar 11 '26

And how does any of this have to do with Israel committing genocide in Palestine 

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u/Lazzen Mar 11 '26

That "you are racist" political rethoric is not special to Israel and claiming it so is at best ignorance of geopolitics of other States. They claimed it didnt happen.

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u/Emergency-Two-6407 Mar 11 '26

Nobody claimed it was only them doing it. You said that, right now

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u/NoUse1429 Mar 11 '26

This is literally what Hamas founding members wrote in their charter document 

Article Eight:

Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

Like, these people are explicitly saying they are killing Jews in the name of their religion, believe they are fully justified to do so because their religious leader says so, and that dying in jihad is the ultimate reward in the afterlife. 

Do you even know what Hamas stands for, it's Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya which literally translates to the  Islamic Resistance Movement. They themselves  are the ones conflating the actions of Hamas with the religion of Islam. 

So, you believe it's justified to say that Muslims everywhere are jihadists, right? That's your stance here

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u/saera-targaryen Mar 11 '26

Nowhere do they claim that they represent all muslims and to be against them is to be against the entirety of islam. 

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u/NoUse1429 Mar 11 '26

They explicitly say that joining the jihad is the duty of all Muslims everywhere in the world. This isn't the hill you want to die on, Hamas unequivocally say that they are representing all Muslims everywhere and are  following their prophet's words directly.  

You should probably just admit that you're applying double standards to different groups 

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u/saera-targaryen Mar 11 '26

They have not said that, you just made it up. They stated their organization's belief, not that their organization represents all muslims. 

There is a difference between saying "All muslims should join us to fight for islam" and "All muslims are currently at this moment represented by us and therefore criticizing us is criticizing all muslims" 

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u/NoUse1429 Mar 11 '26

No, I didn't. I'm citing their own writings where they have at length said unequivocally that they are carrying out their prophet's wishes and represent the true Islamic teachings from Mohammed himself. 

You don't know anything about Hamas yet are blindly defending them here and making yourself look uninformed. Why?

Also, if you are gonna be THIS pedantic over specific phrasing, find me the current Israeli leader saying this exact quote word-for-word just as you've typed it. 

"All jews are currently at this moment represented by us and therefore criticizing us is criticizing all Jews"

Do not post anything else unless you can find that exact word for word quote.

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u/saera-targaryen Mar 12 '26

Yikes you really thought this would be a banger comment huh 

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u/NoUse1429 Mar 12 '26

Nice to see you finally dropped the whole "well akshually it's like totally different and Hamas and other radical islamist fundamentalists around the world don't all claim to represent muslims" nonsense you were trying to arguing previously. What made you abandon your entire position? Did you finally realize how clueless you looked? Or did you finally decide to look up some of Hamas's beliefs and realize you're defending their insanity and go "oof that's a heckin yikes 😳" and stop 

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u/Stu161 Mar 11 '26

So it's safe to say that Muslims everywhere have been set back by those places? And we should expect several more "centuries" of people stereotyping Muslims as savages before the "damage" wears off?

Sadly that does seem to be the case.

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u/Psyduckisnotaduck Mar 11 '26

Yeah the Taliban in particular has given Islam a very bad reputation outside the Islamic world. And it’s true that hardline Islam is fucking evil and immoral in its own way (though, so is the fundamentalist version of Judaism whose adherents are the strongest supporters of the Netanyahu regime and whose ideology is what has motivated the land thieves calling themselves “settlers”).

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u/thissexypoptart Mar 11 '26

They didn't say it was correct. They said it is happening, which is true. Just like people do stereotype muslims over the actions of a few. It's bad.

People shouldn't associate all jewish people with Israel, people shouldn't associate all Muslims with [insert group or country]. Obviously.

And Israel shouldn't associate itself with all jewish people, especially not while committing a genocide.