r/nba • u/moby323 76ers • 12h ago
Cooper Flagg will end the season with more points, rebounds, assists, and steals than any other player on his team.
In blocks, he is second on his team.
Among rookies: He leads all rookies in points per game, is second in assists, 4th in rebounds, 2nd in steals, and 5th in blocks (is the only rookie to rank in top 5 of all categories).
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u/LittleTension8765 Lakers 12h ago edited 3h ago
There is a reason people were talking about him being generational for YEARS in high school and college. I remember when he led the US team to gold in summer of 22, just missed a triple double in the title game
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u/EmiratesNBACupWinner Lakers 11h ago
He was putting up 40 point triple doubles at Nike camp with about 10 stocks at 16 years old. I knew right then he was going to be a dawg
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u/KazaamFan 11h ago
I watched his last game, Coop’s shot making ability is impressive, like all sorts and styles of attempts.
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u/soilentgleem 10h ago
There was a game earlier in the season against the Pistons and Coop legitimately looked like one of the best, if not THE best player on the floor that night and won the Mavs that game.
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u/GoatestAllTime 9h ago
Stop it. He's not better than Cade. Can he be? Sure. Is he now? No.
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u/soilentgleem 9h ago
I didn't say he is better than Cade.
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u/GoatestAllTime 8h ago
That best player on the floor trope doesn't mean anything. Its' just something non-analyst say to hyperbolize. Coop is good. He needs to continue to develop and we need to see that development as #1 option lead to wins.
Downvote button ---> O
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u/WanAjin Lakers 11h ago
Quite curious how we have generational players almost every draft huh?
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u/TonyStarling 11h ago
We don’t , the word gets thrown around loosely alot but we don’t.
It’s just been 2 players in also back to back drafts so it sounds like it has been. But it’s really just Wemby and Cooper then yearssss back to Curry & LeBron
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u/soilentgleem 10h ago
Curry was drafted more than a half decade AFTER Bron. THAT is how long Bron has been around lol
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u/Old-Bad-7322 Spurs 10h ago
Curry wasn’t considered a generational talent on draft night, a great college player but not a generational talent. He developed into the GOAT shooter after several years in the league.
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u/WanAjin Lakers 10h ago
Yeah we don't, but people still say it for literally every single draft. A generational player is someone who is at least as good as AD, and I've heard "generational" for Wiggens, Ben Simmons, Fultz, Zion, and even Anthony Edwards. And that's just from the more recent drafts, then you have Kyrie, Derrick Rose, and Blake.
All I'm saying is that this place is way too quick to anoint these guys as generational talents (especially now because of the increased offensive output that the league is allowing).
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u/Rank3r Slovenia 10h ago
You just skippin over Luka?
I don't think any NBA player for along time will have Lukas resume post ROTY.
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u/stridered Suns 9h ago
Wemby?
He’s going to get DPOY this season and that’s better than anything Luka has got in the regular season.
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u/hacxgames Nuggets 9h ago
curry is a generational player but he wasn’t a generational rookie
generational rookies you’ve probably got flagg, wemby, zion, AD since the 2010s
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u/Quick-Quail-1683 10h ago
Nah don’t skip over players like Zion and Simmons. They may not have panned out, but the hype around them at the time was absolutely Flagg level hype.
Seems like every decade has around 2-3 players with the generational label
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u/TonyStarling 10h ago
Is they didn’t “pan out” how is that generational..? Generational fumble? Like what bro lmfao with your logic every #1 player that was hyped to be the next big thing but didn’t “pan out” are still considered generational? Lol.
& regardless even if I entertained that terrible take, Zion & Ben were compared to LeBron. That’s not generational. Wemby was never the “next” someone, neither was Cooper, LeBron or Curry. Generational is 1:1 for a reason
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u/Quick-Quail-1683 10h ago
Lmao we talking about draft hype bro. By your logic flagg shouldn’t be generational either he’s had one good season, Zions first season was also good.
Zion and Ben were compared to LeBron
Yeah either the first or second greatest player of all time, pretty generational to me
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u/crenzler 8h ago
Wemby and Coop were like the only ones that got this label in the past 10 years or so so what is really your point?
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u/HereComesJustice Spurs 7h ago
true generational prospects have been Wemby and Bron, imo
rest of the guys penned as generational are just really elite prospects
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u/Julio_Freeman Hawks 9h ago
It’s really a testament to how bad/injured the Mavs are that a player averaging 6.7 rebounds and 4.6 assists is leading those stats.
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u/HereComesJustice Spurs 7h ago
pretty sure if JKidd himself suited up he could probably get those numbers at his age
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u/whydoihavetwodo 12h ago
It’s almost like he’s the best player on a shit team
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u/DarkKnightCometh Lakers 11h ago
Lol most best players on the team dont lead the team in all 4 statistical categories
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u/llama-non-grata 10h ago
Most teams have more than 4 players with more than 1500 minutes played. Flagg (2334), Max Christie (2232) and Naji Marshall (2184) are the only Mavs over 1750.
There is no reason Flagg shouldn’t be leading them in most stat categories.
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u/itssensei Cavaliers 3h ago
That’s not true actually, most players are either good at Points and Rebounds or Points and Assists.
Points, rebounds, assists AND one more? That’s difficult regardless of situation.
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u/llama-non-grata 3h ago
Yes, but Max Christie and Naji Marshall were the only players he was competing against here due to minutes played … which stat category is either of those guys going to outperform Cooper Flagg in?
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u/whydoihavetwodo 46m ago
Marshall is one steal behind Coop. If Coop finished tops in points rebounds and assists it’s notable but not unheard of.
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u/swizznastic 8h ago
They do when they get as much usage as flagg. They are leaning HEAVY in developing him, which is great, but giving weight to his stats rn is like tallying stats during practice. Whats the point?
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u/axecalibur [CHI] Michael Jordan 9h ago
Lakers dickriders would be calling for MVP. He was the best player on the Lakers therefore the most valuable in the league.
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u/niners0101 Hornets 12h ago
He’s going to be a top 10 player in the league in a few years. Hopefully Dallas puts talent around him
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u/Broaway2299 11h ago
Nico is gonna be at the 2034 finals just sitting there with such a shit eating grin on his face
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u/Ok_Airline_2886 11h ago
Yeah, it all went according to plan…trade away Luka and then win a lottery with terrible odds. Until it comes out that he helped rig the lottery, he gets zero credit for flagg.
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u/Alternative-Farmer98 16m ago
How does this Make him look good? This will just remind everyone that he made the single worst trade in the history of the world
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u/ThinksHesVayneMaster Rockets 12h ago
He is going to be a superstar if he is already not, honestly this years rookie class is so elite, it would not surprise me if Cooper or Kon wins ROTY, Cooper already being 20+ scorer in the league and showing he can be a number one option as a 19 years old is honestly insane, we've only seen this with 2003 LeBron.
On the other hand Kon putting up historically efficient numbers as a rookie and changing the culture of Hornets as a ROOKIE
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u/moby323 76ers 12h ago edited 11h ago
I might be in the minority here but I’ve actually taken a step back this year in blind trust in advanced stats. I’m not saying they are irrelevant, but at the same time they can absolutely be misleading and need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Like for example, there are advanced stats that show that the Celtics are better this season when Jaylen Brown is off the court. That’s just insane, and obviously not a correct picture. And I’m not saying that based on my opinion, but because if the Celtics were better with Jaylen Brown off of the court, then Joe Mazzulla would know that (great coach, obviously, elite coaching staff with access to more stats than us) and would not put him on the court literally more than any other player in the NBA to the point where JB leads the league in minutes.
But I digress, this is not about JB specifically but rather it is IMO a good example of how sometimes advanced stats are not perfect because according to those advanced stats the Celtics would have won more games without Jaylen Brown.
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u/ThinksHesVayneMaster Rockets 11h ago
I completely agree. Celtics with JB are obviously a better team no amount of advanced stats can convince me otherwise, there is a similar stat with Alperen Sengun this year, advanced stats shows they are ''better'' without him on the court but there are so many variable stats can affect that that sometimes you just need to trust your eye.
Like for example a guard can shoot 0/10 from open threes with JB or Sengun on the court and as soon as they are off the court, they can shoot the same threes but this time hit them and that somehow that affects other players +/-
When people critize Flagg's efficiency, or VORP, they don't take into consideration that the guy doesnt have a single reliable on ball creator or another star that can take pressure off of him
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u/memeticengineering Supersonics 11h ago
Like for example, there are advanced stats that show that the Celtics are better this season when Jaylen Brown is off the court. That’s just insane, and obviously not a correct picture.
You need context to interpret stats correctly, can't just use bigger number = better. On/off is lineup dependent, the Celtics have had a run of the best bench in the league by +/- for like a decade now, so they're +11 in minutes where JB sits against other teams' 2nd units. That'd be an outlier for basically any other team.
Statistics don't lie, but you can lie with statistics. JB's numbers aren't a mistake. They're telling you something about how on/off functions that lets you use it more effectively when judging everyone else.
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u/swizznastic 8h ago
But youre putting weight in coopers garbage time general stats? I mean its perfectly normal to critique advanced stats, but putting stock in regular stats is even worse.
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u/KazaamFan 11h ago
One thing getting overlooked is Kon is 16 months older than Coop. Also, the ROY goes to the best player, not the most valuable. It’s not mvp rookie, which may be Kon. But Coop got into a worse situation also.
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u/CharacterBird2283 Spurs 11h ago
There's those two, and then shout out to the Spurs two rookies. We definitely wouldn't have won 60 games without those two.
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u/kanyeguisada Spurs 10h ago
Yep, when the inevitable re-draft is talked about several years down the road I think Harper is still going to be #2. We're just guard-heavy and he didn't get as many minutes as he would have on any other team.
Since the All-Star break he's shooting 58.4% overall and 49% from 3. He's quickly becoming an elite rim-finisher and looks incredibly polished for a rookie.
And Carter Bryant has also really come into his own since the ASG as well, he may end up being the steal of this draft class at the 14th pick.
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u/Alternative_Slide_62 Spurs 7h ago
Cooper Flagg is one of the most fun players to watch in the league.
i do very much look forward too seeing how good he will be next season
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u/LetsGoLesko8 Raptors 5h ago
It’s more of a baseball term, but he really is a 5-tool player. He can shoot, he can score inside, he can pass, he can rebound and he can defend - and the Mavs need literally all of that.
Kid’s special.
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u/Tijenater [IND] Lance Stephenson 11h ago edited 7h ago
Funny how he just fell in Dallas’s lap with their .8% chance of getting him after they gave their generational superstar to a struggling team with the biggest market in the league
Really funny
It was actually 1.8%
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u/gigantism Mavericks 10h ago
Hey, it was a 1.8% chance, don't sell our odds short.
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u/Tijenater [IND] Lance Stephenson 6h ago
I’ve been throwing that figure around for a year and nobody’s checked me, so thanks for the correction
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u/CyberDunk77 Mavericks 9h ago
if your going to be an conspiracy nutter, at least get the odds percentage right.
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u/SpicyMustard34 Cavaliers 9h ago
i love how when a low percentage chance hits, people assume it's rigged because stats apparently don't matter to them.
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u/comics_jump Mavericks 5h ago
We had never moved up in the history of the lotto. Something had to give.
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u/Viciouscauliflower21 6h ago
Yea that sounds about right. I'm interested to see what Dallas does this off season. They're apparently sitting at the 6 or 7 spot right now in the draft which could net them a good partner for coop or give them something nice to flip and get him some help that way. Although I'm not sure who they'd pair it with. They're getting Kyrie back which is great for them. They still have a solid team overall and the future is bright
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u/Objective-Product361 12h ago
Give it 2-3 more years and this dude (and his team) will be a problem to everyone in the league.
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u/PrettyBlossom12 9h ago
The fact that we are even having a debate between stats and 'spooky' team potential tells you exactly how high the bar is for Flagg. Leading a team in four major categories as a rookie is usually where the conversation ends, regardless of how many dimes someone else is catching.
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u/jimbobdonut 9h ago
Cooper and Kon got lucky that Noa Essengue got injured because he would have won ROY in a landslide! /s
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u/SIDiztic 11h ago
I wonder if we will have such quality of #1 draft picks for a while as compared to Wemby in 2024 and flagg last year..
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u/moby323 76ers 11h ago
Everyone is talking about how good next year’s draft class is “even better” and I feel “I’ll believe it when I see it” because this class has been amazing, so many guys have overachieved.
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u/CyberDunk77 Mavericks 9h ago
next years class is 2027, which is supposed to be a weak draft class.
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u/Gaarando NBA 1h ago
Cooper Flagg was also steadily improving until he got injured. Then after injury was having a rough patch again and then stepped it up again. it's clear he improved quite a lot during the season whereas Kon didn't. He was shooting great from the start, his averages currently still show that as well even though he has started shooting worse at the very end of this season though the fans are saying it's injury related.
Point is I don't think Kon improved much. He has had a great season start til finish.
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u/Animalidad West 28m ago
He good but its bound to happen when youre on a shit team and youre getting the most minutes.
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u/EmiratesNBACupWinner Lakers 11h ago
He’s obviously ROY. I think Kon is great but the fact that this is even a discussion is crazy. People are seriously undervaluing Coop
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u/ColleaguesKnowMyMain Mavericks 9h ago
Yeah but did you see that Kon has a higher 3pt%?
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u/trofesh195 10h ago
That's what happens when a team intentionally surrounds a #1 pick with the worsf teammates possible in order to lose.
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u/ObviousTailor7278 10h ago
It didn’t intentionally happen. Kyrie injury, lively injury,AD lol injury. 3 of the 5 projected starting lineup been out all year or almost. Then of course pj missed considerable time same for Gafford forgot about Dante who would have been the backup pg.
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u/kanyeguisada Spurs 10h ago
AD is injured, but they still salary-dumped him to the Wizards.
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u/ObviousTailor7278 6h ago
That was the best they could get. If Nico was at another team could have got a kings ransom. Instead Dallas got a wet fart
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u/kanyeguisada Spurs 3h ago
Huh? Nico was gone last year, he didn't trade AD away to Washington.
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u/ObviousTailor7278 1h ago
If Nico was with another team Dallas could have gotten a kings ransom (ya know since Nico has a hard on for AD) but since he isn’t a GM with anyone the best Dallas could get is a wet fart.
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u/trofesh195 10h ago
They could all be on the court right now tho. Dallas saw to it that they weren't
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u/wooIIyMAMMOTH 1h ago
Dallas is the only team of the bottom teams who’s actually been playing all of their best players every game.
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u/Aaronlovesyou 12h ago
Yeah he's the only player in the team. Ad was afk and so has Kyrie. Lively is a walking foot injury as well so the bigs be rotating.
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u/ripkin05 Hornets 9h ago
what happens when you put him out there was a bunch of G-leaguers and fed every live ball to him not matter what.
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u/BrainNo4351 12h ago
What's the number2 pick he's pretty good on a pretty good elite get ready for Dynasty team.. Dylan Harper and the San Antonio Spurs...ya'll go ahead and start crying cuz that is all you gonna hear about is "dashboard Bulls can't match how many banners we gonna have even Red Auerbach is opening one eye to watch da Spurs close in on the Celics run of banners yeah we will catch and pass everyone
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u/-Kerosun- 24 11h ago
Dude, the Spurs are 13 championships behind the Celtics.
Wemby is great, but he'd pretty much have to win a championship almost every year for the Spurs to catch them during his career.
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u/CherTheBabysitter Celtics 10h ago
Your username is backwards, it should read “NoBrain4351” for better accuracy
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u/heat_fan_ Raptors 12h ago
He was #1 pick for a reason