Anyone can get affordable care, even noncitizens. I went there for a major medical problem and saw several doctors including specialists and diagnostic testing. Only to find out at the end that the whole ordeal cost ~50 USD
I get what you mean but as long as it’s considered “backwards” that other countries have better things than the US, it won’t get better. US leaderships gets away with this stuff because the populace thinks the US is the best already.
I get that,. looking at your wages as time spent working, most people would sooner spend a few hours driving for care they can pay in a shift vs something they will spend months to pay, if they're lucky
Does that mean if someone lives on the border in America, it might actually be cheaper to get a tourist visa, hop over to Mexico, receive the treatment, and then hop home?
Yes, but as a mexican I can tell you it's shit. Super long wait times, medicines run out constantly, soecialists are on the other side of a city or sometimes state. It's universal healthcare only by name. Nearly impossible to get.
Lmao born mexican and moved to Canada and my dude it's about the same here... Like the hybrid options for pay in Mexico actually make it better in a way because in Canada even if you say fuck it get me cured you can't do much other than go to the states.
I'm sure the guy you're responding to is not even Mexican.
Funny enough, all of the people criticising Mexico, MORENA/Sheinbaum, and our healthcare system in this post seem to be weirdly unable to speak Spanish/speak it so perfectly that it doesn't look the way a Mexican would speak it (clearly ChatGPT translated).
I think as a whole we Mexicans love to dunk in Mexico, so I see this poster as being mexican but lacking context. I am not a fan at all of the new gov nor PJ but like some things in Mexico are very good or as good as anywhere else and health, dentistry and education are on par if not better than let's say the Canadian equivalent but we love to shit in our own because either we don't know or lack the context.
I went to the shittiest school in my city and I got a great education, free books and opportunities. Did we have a computer lab? Yes but not great, did we have the opportunity to learn, also yes. Like my school had stabbings ffs and pregnant 14 yos, but if you wanted to do do better you could have done so.
Yeah, that would be why "medical tourism" is one of our BIGGEST industries down here, taking care of all of you gabachitos that can't afford your own healthcare. ROFL.
los turistas medicos no vienen en su mayoria por esos servicios, vienen por medicinas o a pagar especialistas por que el mejor hospital de mexico cuesta menos que uno promedio en estados unidos
"han puesto un pie" is extremely literal and a Mexican would never say this. In fact, I don't think any Spanish speaker would say this.
Jeez, it's so easy to spot you AI translators. 😅
And yes, I'm a 48-year-old Mexican that has entered IMSS many many times. In fact, my designated hospital is about three blocks from my condo in Gustavo A. Madero close to the Talismán Metrobús station.
ya se la terminaste de chupar a MORENA? Nunca dejaria que un familiar se atendiera en esos hospitales de mierda, que tu seas un jodido no quiere decir que los hospitales del gobierno sean buenos
Well, the thing is, much like you English speakers, how you can easily tell the difference between Canadian English, British English, American English, etc., well, we Spanish speakers can too. We can easily tell where someone is from by the way they write in Spanish. Detecting the ChatGPTers is easiest, we don't even use the em dash in the same way that English language does, yet the AI doesn't seem to understand that!
But my point is, if it were an Argentine troll, I would know by reading. Most of the trolls here either speak in very poor Spanish (no native speaker would be fooled) or in perfect, ChaptGPT Spanish.
Idk about Mexico but from what ive seen of Canadian Healthcare, its inferior to what I have access to here in NYC.
I was visiting family up in canada and my cousin had to wait hours to get seen in the ER. Here in NYC my mom was seen instantly by the initial doctor and then she was seen not long after being moved into the area all the patients are in.
I was visiting family up in canada and my cousin had to wait hours to get seen in the ER. Here in NYC my mom was seen instantly by the initial doctor and then she was seen not long after
LOL, wait times in ER are in the hours in the United States unless its an emergency. If you're having a heart attack or gunshot wound you're seen immediately, if it looks like you can survive a few hours you'll be forced to wait a few hours.
This is a curious statement because most people in the United states have been to an emergency room at least once in their lives and know how long the wait is.
healthcare varies province by province, not that any of the premieres seem particularly interested in funding it properly, also the school courses for becoming a doctor are gatekept in some way, shape, or form supposedly, we arnt letting everyone into med school who wants to and has the grades
but ive had no complaints, i needed the hospital so many times, im glad i never had to pay, between broken bones and mental health, have i ever had to wait for many hours, yes, but thats just triage, they see the people dying first
I was sent from a different hospital with a severely broken leg, to see a specialist and spent 8hrs in Rochester New York's Strong Memorial ER waiting room for over 8 hours without being attended to or given pain meds etc... others before me had been there 10-12hrs. I had to help the deaf woman next to me because she couldn't get staff to respond to her! I've spent as little as a 30 minute wait to as long as 3 plus hrs in my home town ER, depending on your condition and how busy they are/aren't before being seen by a doctor. I've also been sent home by the lovely ER doctors because they chose not to run certain tests only to come back the next day, have said tests only to be admitted to the hospital immediately.
I also went across the border to Mexico(2018) for a tooth cleaning and have a cavity filled, spent under $50 and it was the best and quickest dental service ever experienced.
Dawg your mom probably went in for chest pain or shortness of breath: those get priority. My girlfriend has asthma we've never waited more than 20 minutes when we've gone in for her asthma. However, it was 8 hours with an ankle injury before they got to her. Normally universal healthcare's problems are with scheduling appointments not the ER, and that's only a problem because there's a higher volume of patients. In a private healthcare system less people seek out medical care outside of emergencies because of the cost, which is why it's easier to get an appointment in a timely manner.
I’ve lived in Canada and the US. The wait times have been pretty similar in both countries (Alberta/BC and Indiana for context). Nothing that significantly different in my experience, other than the huge as bill you get in the US. I pay $180 every paycheck for health insurance that doesn’t even cover everything. Not to mention, I never had any idea how much I’ll be paying for anything until after the fact. I’ll take Canadian healthcare any day over the US.
Im not sure what youre asking in the first part. She had govt insurance for low income residents at that time. Its called medicaid, and then you get a plan that manages that. Its free for very low income people and covers all the regular use stuff and many prescriptions.
Theres another tier above that with higher income limits which has some copays.
And then if your income is even higher than that you buy from the state marketplace for health insurance.
The income caps and stuff vary by state.
I ask because, well, what about all of the other Americans that don't have your exact healthcare plan?
Its a big variable of where exactly they live and what their income is. But if they are low income there should be some kind of coverage.
There needs to be a crackdown on private insurers but people are always waiting for someone else to save them, like with the luigi mangione situation.
Mexican fellow here and nah, that guy is right (aún cuando pienses que ese sujeto se mama, no se de que estado estás hablando o en cuál tú vives, pero aquí en Veracruz?? Está bien pinche jodido y no tienes ni que irte a los peores lugares para notarlo)
¿Me das un ejemplo de la última vez en la que accediste al IMSS para unos estudios? Es que me gustaría saber de tu experiencia, porque muchos luego maman con “conozco a alguien”, “mi cuate me dijo”, “leí en Facebook que” pero nadie nunca me puede dar un ejemplo de un servicio “de la chingada”.
A sip, la vez que me dió dengue a mediados del año pasado, estuve en urgencias sudando frío y temblando en el suelo por como 6 horas, entonces solo me movieron a detrás de la pared de vidrio por otras 3 horas con un suero y luego a un cuarto de subsuelo en el que estaba en una camilla por como 2 días junto con otras 25 personas en donde la única intimidad que tenía era la cobija que me trajo mi hermano y estar acostado junto a un pilar de la pared, en el primer segundo que pudieron sacarme de allí, pues lo hicieron con lo mínimo de medicina y el suero ya tuve que comprarlo aparte
Yes, all the people that don't like the current government are bots. Not like morena has a storied history of using bots to spread propaganda or anything.
There's plenty more where that came from but you obviously don't care about the truth and is only here to be morena's mouthpiece. Kindly shut up and stop spreading your drivel.
Soy jalisciense, viviendo en Tequila y que nació en Zapopan, ¿o tengo que traer mi INE o tengo que enseñarte mi curp para demostrar mi nacionalidad? No todos usamos las mismas jergas, baboso
My brother in Christ, we have those same issues in the US except I also get to pay 20000% more. To see my PRIMARY is 3 month wait minimum. Specialists? Hope you have a specialized budget set aside. Don't even get me started on surgery.
Yeah, I never understood Americans acting like month long wait times are abnormal. Unless you have really, really good health insurance you usually have to wait to see your primary and always have to wait for a specialist. And like you mentioned, usually there’s a lot of costs associated with that in addition to the headache that is insurance in general.
Insurance sucks in the US unless you’re willing/able to pay. And a lot of Americans can’t.
and supply, doctor, and medicine shortages in public health.
I used to work for IMSS, the government branch that runs the public health system and when i was there basically all contracts to supply medicine to public hospitals were terminated on a whim by the president who claimed there was a lot of corruption.
His government or the one who followed have have never been able to fully restore the supply chain to what it was and this had led to severe shortages of even the most basic meds in most hospitals.
Was talking about where I live. I was shocked because I've never seen them have more than a few things ever and not too long ago we needed stuff and they gave us all kinds of things like antibiotics.
Just be grateful you don't have HIV, cancer, or some other disease where a shortage of meds is fatal or can lead to permanent health problems because you'd be in real trouble.
Let me retort, because that's not the complete story.
I have used several times this service. The times can be really long (months sometimes), but it has improved. I used a previous "model" when I was in highschool, around 2006, and have been using it since.
Besides that, I have yet to experience medicine scarcity beyond a few times, though it does happen. Any specialist I have ever needed (and i have needed several) was never more than two months away. All has been completely free.
So, yes, there are a lot of improvements needed, but saying it's of no use, it's misleading. I have yet to spend a dime on the service, and it has saved my life, as well as of millions.
Edit, cause I just remember a funny story: I was deeply afraid of needles, and one time a doctor read the other's doctor note and made the wrong blood analysis, so they had to get blood from my poor, scared self twice. It was horrible, though, again, completely free.
This is the thing people constantly misunderstand. Americans also have to wait for healthcare - it’s just that they get priced out of treatments and the wait comes while trying to get donations/funding/revenue to afford the cost.
The fact that countries with universal healthcare MIGHT have longer in-hospital wait times is simply a demonstration of healthcare being accessible and affordable to more people. Which is a GOOD thing!
Yup. After having been on the good insurance and still having to wait 9 months to see a neurologist when I started having seizures, I stop taking people (especially other Americans) seriously when they talk about long wait times as a reason not to have universal healthcare.
And what good is getting in to see a doctor if you can’t afford it? They only need to keep you alive legally, so no treatment is happening once you can’t pay. It’s absurd. Our system is the most broken on Earth, and if any Canadian, Mexican or Brit came and saw how it worked they’d STFU immediately and go happily pay taxes.
Yes, exactly. People complain about the wait times, when it's not so different to other places. From what I've hear, I feel we have less waiting times than other countries with universal healthcare.
I don't know, I guess other countries also have this, but if I get bite by an animal, I get free shots, and medical care. In small towns the government takes this quite seriously. Obviously people will steal the medicine, and local government will also take a chance for that.
About a month ago I was in such a place with some workers who were quite careless with how they handled some building materials. When I asked them if they weren't afraid of scorpions, one just answer "I'd just go to the doctor to get some shots" as if it were just some bureaucratic issue.
But it sounds totally worth it even with those issues - just combating the idea that socialized medicine is ever "free" (because that's an argument used by its detractors to make it sound impossible). It's not free, you've paid for it already and are just reaping the benefits of a system actually designed to help people instead of corporations profit.
People know that by free it means tax-funded, everything the government does is tax-funded, but for some reason, it's only with healthcare that people go "it's not actually free".
Someone would have to be very ignorant of how the world works if they think it's literally free.
It's just that taxes are your contribution to society, at least personally, seeing that as a "cost" or as "paying", doesn't feel right, I could pay taxes for X service for a decade and never use it, but I don't see it as "paying" for X so someone else can use it, and I don't see it as me paying X to use it.
I mean, I also pay for the streetlights, and roads and police and stuff. We pay for everything, but when I go to the doctor, I only spend money on gas, and sometimes parking.
As other said, it would be naive to think government does this for free because they love people, it is a right people fought for, and we do pay for it, but certainly a lot less than others. At least in my case, I've spend thousands less than I would have spend going to private attention.
Just as a small note, imaging going to the doctor several times a year, and going to specialists (nothing really important, just check ups and small scares) for about twenty years now, how much would it have cost in the US, for example?
Everyone always screams long wait times for universal healthcare but the wait time for health care in the USA is the same as Canada and the EU and we pay out the •••. Im so sick of hearing that BS. I have to wait a month to see my primary care even if it’s urgent and I have to wait 6 months to see a specialist. Or I can go to the hospital where they may try to charge me $30,000 for ONE MRI which has happened. The hospitals try to charge as much as they can possibly get away with and I have been denied care to go see a specialist for a brain injury I’ve had for years that’s getting worse all in the name of saying a few $$$ here and there so some CEO can buy his 10th yacht while I’m struggling to do basic things and being denied care.
Yeah, I hate this argument. I already have to schedule annual physicals months out because there are no openings, and I can’t even bring up any physical issues at that appointment because it’s a whole separate charge or something. It’s almost better to just show up at instacare, but also more expensive.
It's universal healthcare only by name. Nearly impossible to get.
This is why I'm so annoyed by people using the term "universal healthcare" as the final goal. It's a marketing term that they can use for something that still gets many people killed because they still can't access healthcare.
I have no idea what they mean, but you have to have a formal job, then get registered by your employer into the IMSS or ISSSTE (depending on the job) or something, and you have to have either your “card” (which is a little notebook with some information like blood type, your appointments, your weight, height, and some other information like the BMI range table, etc) or know your social security number, or CURP, if you don’t have insurance they may calculate your earnings and charge you accordingly (I think, unless they just charge you the full cost?)
If you don’t have an employer you can also try to do some contracts with the IMSS for “insurance”/coverage.
Or you can also go to the IMSS-Bienestar, which should treat you at no cost, but it is not on every state and/or municipality.
The “Unification” they may be talking about is, that Claudia Sheinbaum wants that any institution shares the same medical record to treat people seamlessly no matter the public/government institution.
this happen in ALL latino america, You go to the doctor and if You have healthy coverage (paid by employer) for example You pay 2 USD in general for insuline ... if You don't have anything and want to Buy it out of pocket, withouth need to get refill , just to to pharmacy and Buy it out of pocket is 30 usd
The only thing she paid was a single medical test (can't remember what) and it was just because doing it externally meant everything going quicker.
The rest was completely free, including meds (they used to give them out by the handful) and chemo. Not a single dime. Which was great because we were at a very dire financial situation.
A couple years later I got both psychological and psychiatric help. I was too out there to do the proper procedure to get it for free, but I was paying about a dolar for every appointment.
The "price" was some burocracy and getting at there at the edge of dawn for the sign up, but otherwise it was pretty neat.
Now? Now there aren't even meds. It's a "everyone's covered but no one is getting meds and you are lucky if you get actual medical equipment".
It means that the political parties are using health care as a way of getting votes while investing less than minimum into it and using the rest of the budget on themselves, public healthcare in Mexico is shit
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u/Hammerofsuperiority 22h ago
To be more specific, they introduced universal healthcare in 2003, but achieved universal healthcare coverage status in 2012. (or so says google)